With the latest announcement that EA is shutting down more of it's game servers, some for titles only a couple of years old, StickTwiddlers Micster asks whether or not we are merely just renting the games we buy.
Sucks but you can't expect them to be up forever.
Why not? Counter Strike has been up longer than all those titles. Just a good reason why PC Gamers trust Steam and not Origins.
CS still has a lot of players and most of the servers are privately run, so it doesn't cost valve anything. Poor comparison really.
Well PC gamers are used to that sort of treatment. I still play warcraft 3, there are atleast 100,000 of us online at peak times even though the game is nearly a decade old by now. CS is still going very strong. Console gamers should demand support for their games. Most of the time they dont even receive dedicated servers while they end up paying more on every game.
Console gamers probably don't care much because we keep moving on to bigger n better games. I have no time to stick with one game anyways! Way to much games to still play and catch up on.
Lol this barely effects us Ps3 gamers. we have new single player exclusives to keep us busy all the time. Most of us dont play online.
... not 'limited time only MP!'. Among the games now affected is Battlefield 2 MC, which I'm sure will still have some players left playing... I guess they're being forced upon BF3, but I wonder if this could have the opposite effect, as in those loyal gamers feeling screwed over by this action and thus refusing to move on to BF3.
@Yi-Long I agree, what's the point of offering multiplayer if you're going to shut it down in a few years? I'm sure the number of players are low, but when you advertise something on the box, it should be an included feature until the platform moves on. New buyers and the dedicated fans are the ones getting screwed here.
"From October: Madden NFL 10 for PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 NHL 10 for PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360" LOL, that's a really dirty tactic to get Madden fans to spend $60 a year (or every other year) for meager upgrades and online access.
Why not? How about because there is no ongoing revenue from the game yet there is ongoing cost. When they sell the game they've factored in the cost of running the servers for a certain number of users for some period of time. If you want the servers to stay up longer then either the upfront cost of the games need to be higher or they need to charge a monthly or yearly fee. The right way to do it is to make the up front cost of the game lower and then charge a separate yearly fee for online. That is the fairest solution for all parties involved so it's sure not to happen :)
or you have dedicated server support and eliminate the cost altogether. I have been using steam since HL2 and aside from the interface and the library very little has changed. My games have been exactly where they are since then and I haven't been charged extra for the privilege. EA wanted to charge a fee to keep it longer than 6 months. (this was before origins) Valve has never once made me worry about whether or not I will be able to download any one of the 80 or so titles I have. Not only do they not charge for my peace of mind, they also offer sales that sell games at half price or more in some cases. That includes recent releases too. In short I never trusted EA when it came to digital sales and apparently can't trust them for online support either. As a PC gamer I am used to multiplayer lasting a long time for some games. Freelancer anyone? But hey, if console gamers, and even some PC gamers, are cool with it all, to each his own. I mean that in all seriousness. However the concept of having to pay more and more for each little thing seems to be getting out of control. On top of all that you can't count on EA to maintain the servers. It seems eventually console gaming is gonna start costing more than PC gaming no matter how you look at it.
@powerofcell Speak for yourself. I play my PS3 very often but they are shutting servers down for both systems. And to say most of us don't play online? Why in the world do you think the gaming world was in such an outrage when the PSN went down?! In the future, keep your trolling, fanboy comments to yourself instead of coming on N4G sounding like an idiot. And before you go calling me a fanboy, look at my previous comments on previous threads and you'll see that I often defend the PS3. But I'm no fanboy and trolling irritates me no matter which side it's on.
Geared solely towards console gamers. Its not just EA. Its every game publisher that kills game servers for these things after a 2 year run. There is no consumer owned servers in the console market. That is the problem. Many PC gamers enjoy the luxury of owning/renting a server for a monthly rate and play a game for up to 10 years or however long they want. Such a service could exist inside a console realm with a monthly rate. I don't understand why this issue has not been brought up by now. Having no dedicated server support is often the reason why so many console games have small game lobbies and few players online.
erm, when they sell the game, they advertising online multi-player. by them shutting down the service, are they not taking away a feature we paid for? lol u see how that argument works strongly against sony but when it comes to other things people let it slide. AMAZING!!! not a fanboy/troll/bias/etc. just stating something i noticed
And a troll can state something they notice in their opinion, that has absolutely nothing to do with the article listed and still be a troll.
I honestly can't see how that could go against Sony. I can't think of any games that the servers are shut down on PS3 that aren't multiplatform games shut down on both. There may be some, but I have no idea which ones they may be. Hell, to my knowledge, I believe you can actually still play some PS2 games online depending on the game.
That's why I don't play online anymore unless its a trust worthy developer like valve for instance, support is still going strong for left 4 dead series :)
and it will continue .... if it gets shut down (im 99% sure they wont in the near future) (before or after l4d 3)then people would just switch to the private internet lan networks ... so the game will live on multy player wise
@fluffydelusions Yes, I can. I paid for it, right? These games aren't even really that old. S/N This just proves that Xbox Live is truly a ripoff. This is not a fanboy rant. Most of my games are on Xbox 360. I just don't really see the point of paying just to play online. A lot of people think that they are paying Microsoft to maintain servers but this just proves that they do not.
hey that's a great point you made. Your paying Microsoft $60 a year to basically play your games online but M$ doesn't have any control over the servers. then you gotta pay anyway to use anything on XBL.....so what's the point? XBL should ensure servers stay open.
They're being shut down because nobody plays them. That includes you so shut up.
Naa rather they are being shutdown so PPL move on to the next multiplayer game. If the game is good, people do carry on playing it. Watch how people were still playing halo 2 yet they were forced out of it.
Fortunately, Halo 2 still has some life on PC.
It depends on the game. A lot (as in most) servers are shut down due to no one playing the game any more. Which is a cost issue. Some (as in Halo 2 for your example) are shut down for other reasons. Such as to get you to move to the newest game.
well that is because there is halo 3 , halo odst , halo reach ... and need some server power for halo 1 remake , halo 4
Not even close and a silly statement . It's cumbersome to EA when some refuse to jump toward their annual sport release , and thus force the jump the only way they can .
Completely agree, there hardly is a difference between the sports game releases, asides the roaster update. People will prefer to stick to the last game instead of dishing out 60usd (40 if PC version). Best way to make the jump is discontinueing online support.
Lol I think you are right.
Somebody plays them. Nowhere does it say on a game box that all it takes is three or four years and boom, no more online play. And also, yelling, "HAY GUIZE, I'M RIGHT AND YOU'RE SO WRONG SO JUST SHUT UP, KAY?" into the comments section of a gaming website isn't going to suddenly result in everyone shutting up and agreeing with you. It'd require a lot more brain damage than listening to you gives me for me to agree with you.
rubbish i was playing battlefield just the other day. if the game comes with online it needs to stay until the end of the generation otherwise focus more on the single player aspect of the game and keep the online minimal.
It think you are renting multiplayer.
I remember when Monster Hunter and Syphon Filter got shut down. I played them all the time......... But no one else really did, just a small group of about 500 players, which in truth is not enough to keeps a server alive. Was I upset? Yes, I still miss the games. But I can see why they did it.
Don't renting companies buy a batch from the publishers in the first place? as in a wholesale? so why does it bother publishers that people rent using services like Lovefilm or gamefly? I am sure they don't get their games for free for people to rent... i don't know their organisations business strategies, But I am sure these organisations do buy them first. SO WHY THE **** DO GREEDY GAMES COMPANIES CARE IF WE RENT OUR GAMES AND ADD PSN PASS CRAP TO THE MIX?!
Cause its not about renting its about the pre owned market.. But that subject has nothing to do with this atricle so :S dunno why ur posting that here
Maybe because of the mis-leading title of this article. You know the thing on top that says: "are we just renting our games?"
Yeh cause EA are Shutting down there online servers... Not because of online passes or anything..
Off topic much?
Well if there isn't enough players or demand to warrant the up keep costs of course they're going to close them.
Stuff like those removed sports games dont lack a public to play online actually ... you could surprised . But EA wants you to buy their next madden , fifa , tiger etc
If they're shutting down their sport game servers once in awhile. And that's because those games are updated yearly with new versions. But anything outside of that is a BIG NO NO. Aside from that, people have to face reality. If there aren't enough ppl actually playing those games online, why should they waste all that money keeping up barren servers? Does it suck for some people? Of course it does, but you can't expect a company to waste money like that for a small band of like 500 or less people playing a game.
thing is i wouldnt trust them on that reason . At the very least we should be able to see constantly the numbers of players as a whole for every online games , and we dont always . And wich numbers would make those servers safe I simply can't trust EA to shut down medal of honor servers and other fps based on that when they have a new release around the corner . And even less when it comes to sports for the reasons above
Well like I said, anything OUTSIDE of the sports games shouldn't be shut down like that. Like I said, I can understand (i never said trust) why they'd do it for sports games. I never say anything about trusting them in the first place lol. But why would we ourselves have to see the number of online people are online just for the sheer purpose of seeing the number needed to keep a server a float? If you did that, all you'd have are a few extra fake players just standing there like a body stand in. That's just as bad as them shutting down the servers in the first place.
I can understand why EA is shutting down some of those games but this really sucks for the few hardcore fans that still play their favorite title. I'm just glad Red Alert 3 servers are still online, bacause I still play that on my PS3 with a friend online quite often. Won't be suprised to see those going offline next year too...
They should patch each of those games to allow P2P. It won't cost them much, if anything, and at least people can still use the multiplayer of those games. Like, how stupid. I am never buying an online-heavy EA game again.
This is exactly what we've been saying in the office. There's also quite a bit of controversy around the set 1k GS/amount of trophies per game and how it won't be available once the servers are off due to not being able to get online achievements/trophies. A fair few games have already fallen foul to this already.
. This is the company that all the sheeple keep acting like is saving gaming and taking on the big bad Activision this year. This is also the same company that wants you to pay for demo's...0_o EA is easily the worst offender out there. When they wanted me to sign up to play a demo, I'd had enough. Sadly, they have some good devs under their banner but I'm done with them. There are better games elsewhere. Soon, if EA gets their way, they will shut down all multi-player games after 12-18 months. The sheeple, like the ones right here in this thread will say it's only... " FAIR "... :/ I think the only fair thing is to sell the game for half price since between the game pass scam and this multi-player scam, you are in fact not getting anywhere near the value of the game.
this is why i like private dedicated servers. because you are not at the dev's mercy
This is the one of the reasons why I don't play MMOs or multiplayer only games.
Well,these are really old games so I guess only a minority would even care.
2 questions. What about games which have an online pass? Will these servers stay up forever then? What about online trophies / achievements?
Resistance:Fall of Man on PS3 that came out in 2006 with dedicated servers is still active but 2 year old games from EA are getting their online shut down?
If people have the ability to create their own dedicated servers, play LAN or through a service like Gamespy, then EA can stop the servers. However if the population has nothing, then EA are douches!
i understand shutting down old games.. but games like madden 10? tw10? those games came out last year, at least keep them up for 2 more years.. they just want to force people to move on to the next iteration (which usually has little improvements) in fact the only sports games that have vast year to year improvemetns are the MLB the show, NBA2k, and NHL
Madden 10 and TW 10 came out in 2009.
Why would they want to keep paying for servers and other things on Madden 10 when everyone buys every madden that comes out so it really wouldnt matter. It's not like the online is free for EA to do. Kind of cost money. Save money where you can. Pretty simple. Plus there are probably only a couple hundred people IF that playing any of these. Not really worth it.
Aaaaaaaaaaaand I don't care about any of these games. I've been playing almost exclusively single player games lately for some reason. GTA IV (single player) Red Dead Redemption (single player) Infamous 2 Uncharted 2 (single player) MGS 4 (single player) Just Cause 2 Silent Hill: Homecoming Ever since PSN went down, I haven't been going online much. The PSN outage got me back into playing single player campaigns.
They should Allow anyone to become a dedicated server Console or PC. this is bu11Sh1t!
I think it's stupid when companies shut down servers, I've noticed EA seems to do it a lot. Sometimes I like to buy older 360/ps3/pc games because I never got the chance to buy them the year they came out and I go online to find out that I can't play with others and I find certain achievments such as kill 25 players in a ranked match become impossible.
remove direct download 360 games from xbl if you are going to remove the MP servers for them. this should be illegal or you should be entitled to a refund for the product not performing as it is supposed to. EA should support games as long as the hardware is current.
Just wondering .. but is this why my Army of Two: The 40th Day doesn't work anymore? Anytime I try load up the game from my harddrive (yeah, I downloaded the game) won't work.. I always get some error telling me (I don't remember exactly) it can't start up.
The one downfall of dedicated servers.
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