Naughty Dog explains why they decided not to include dedicated servers for their upcoming Playstation 3 exclusive title, Uncharted 3: Drake’s Deception.
this game is amazing, i love the yemen map, its wonderful, has not lagged once for me.
That map is a sniper haven, which disgruntled me at first. Now I have learned to lob grenades into the towers to take them out almost every time.
I got a triple kill when throwing a grenade into one of those towers while i was going down a zip line. I wanted to record it but sadly because i joined the game half way through it didnt appear in my cinema
The lack of dedicated servers on Uncharted 3 is a severe disservice to hundreds of thousands if not millions of potential consumers. I don't have FIOS or T3 or some bs like that. I have the cheapest DSL that Verizon offers. I would get lag on Uncharted 2 that made my character freeze still from anywhere between 2 to 60 seconds and it was a pain in the ass. I have the same issue with the Uncharted 3 beta. Any game that relies on P2P servers I get lag on but whenever a game uses dedicated servers I have 0 noticeable delay. So I'd implore Naughty Dog / Sony to get dedicated servers for their system's flagship game series. But I'm sure I'm going to get a load of disagrees and smart ass replies like "lol get a better connection" : /
Omi. Whats your PSN. Yeah, I hate that you can't see a cinema when you late join a game. They need to fix that.
'"We're not going to have dedicated servers, made that decision long time ago + we built the current player host-client architecture. Decision for that server architecture was to be better able to support our fans long-term if we can/want. The cost delta between dedicated & non-dedicated is huge long term. Eventually someone will say it costs too great + shut them down. My personal hope is that by keeping costs down + strong enough community, we could be in a position to consider 4+ yrs of uptime."' - Hmmm ok. Problem UC2 veterans? Cause I don't. The difference with Gears 3 is that Gears really NEEDED it. UC2 online never had issues as big as Gears 2.
This will be an amazing game. I will be so busy playing the single player component. Dedicated servers are not needed most of us dont play online.
@powerofcell - The game is amazing, true. But to say most of us don't play online is simply Bullshit. You can't speak for everyone on PSN or with a PS3, so kindly don't sprout crap.
Dedicated is always better. Having dedicated cost so much and limited by Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo for a game console is absurd. 4 years uptime due to no dedicated servers? Crazy. Old PC games from 2000 still have dedicated servers. Its been years. Cost is nonexistent on that platform though as consumers own/rent their own servers. If a console developer came up with a dedicated server rental program for any game on their platform. hmm.... $40-50 bucks a month or so for one server. $80 for two. I know sounds expensive, but its an average price range I suspect. PC players love dedicated servers. Certainly a plus if one day a console had access to them in the same form.
how can you say most of us don't play online when the have a staggering 1.5 million people playing the beta
So basically it seems they dont expect their MP to warrant (last long enough in numbers for) the cost of dedicated servers.
to be fair uncharted 3 is primarily a SP game. Nobody buys this game only for MP . they will buy it for Sp and try out the Mp.
Agreed, heck, even if tomorrow they announced they will be ripping out MP, sales will primarily still be the same. Im buying it for the SP, might try out the MP, but its not an important factor like other games *cough* COD
Its a massive budget ps3 exclusive. If a game as like frontline fuels of war has dedicated servers and it was released years ago so should a big budget exclusive. But to be fair i havent had any trouble with lag while playing the uncharted 3 beta
I buy it for both the MP and SP, its my go to MP game. Infamous 2, for now, if my go to SP game.
Naughty Dogs understands that UC3 MP won't do MW3 numbers but do not be surprised if UC3 runs away with a hell of a lot of Best Multiplayer awards at the end of the year. Have you seen how much support ND gave UC2 almost 2 years after it's been out? Seriously stop trolling because nothing you said has any validity.
Trolling? Summarising their quote is trolling now? Did you even read the article? LOL... Kids.
If it does well enough, then they will consider dedicated servers for a future Uncharted.
Pretty much. They're basically saying they won't be able to support the game 3-4 years from now with dedicated servers so it's better to not support it all. Pretty lame really.
No its not lame. ND and Sony don't just bankroll the money they make. It goes towards paying their employees, production costs, marketing, new and better equipment, and future projects. If a giant like EA shuts down servers after a year or two after a games release, that has to tell you how expensive dedicated servers are.
From what I've played so far I've not had any lag or major issues. Im generally a single player gamer, but I will give U3 a decent go at the multiplayer because im enjoying what I've played in the beta so far. So if ND is looking at this as a cost effective thing I've no problem with their decision it is theirs not ours.
Should be an optional extra like on PC complete with a server browser, wouldn't be hard to implement , not fair to force p2p on everyone. Then when no one bothered with dedis anymore you would have p2p to fall back on. But nooooooo Tried UC2 online and it always connects me to people 1000s miles away , complete lag fest unless thats do to with no one playing it anymore i dunno. If its gonna lag like that id rather not bother :P.
well if makes you feel better 99.9% of other games won't have dedi servers on ps3.
@staystatic you get connected to people 1000miles away because most of us dont play online. Welcome to n4g where ps3 gamers socialise:)
I see their point I hate it when pubs shut down servers, kinda wisj they would of went the Gears 3 route with it and offer both, then when they no longer wanted to maintain them they could just shutthem down and just use p2p
shouldn't need servers its only 10 players. internet speeds have averaged 2 mb more in the last 2 years. I'm on an 8.5mb just 2 years ago it was 3-4. I think my provider upgrading again soon. they have a 15mb for like 10 dollars more lol made some internet punks mad haha
My FiOS line is 20mb, comes WITH the HD package....love it
what i'm saying! I don't lag even with 8.5 mb Now if it was mag or something over 32 players then you start to need dedicated
"we could be in a position to consider 4+ yrs of uptime." I guarantee you that none will be playing this game in four years let alone two.
People still play 2 (about 30k people a day) and its going on 2 years....pretty good for a game that is mainly focused on SP and its first online game (not to mention the devs first onlone game).
After this beta, i'm not sure if i'll be able to go back to 2, the beta trumps 2 in almost every way, for me at least. If i do go back, it'll be very hard to adjust, especially since I won't have a sprint, kickback, spawn on buddy, or mods feature.
Will be playing this game single player and mp all this year and maybe into next, call of duty is dead for me. will be playing some bf3 as well..
Awesome ill be playing the sp all this year until the next good exclusive.
It's always disappointing when I hear a game is not going to be supported with dedicated servers, but UC2's multiplayer worked well.
On here,cod & gears were slaughtered by you lot for not having dedicated servers, but its ok for U3. Laughable
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play the demo,,, you wouldnt know how it was running except by the # of gamers in a game. No lag, accurate hit detection (but once again, way to many shots to bring someone down, unless its a head shot)
Is this a joke?
The beta plays fine, I experienced no lag whatsoever, headset works fine and matchmaking is quick to. Voting works good, spawning on your buddy is great. Haven't tried the party system yet, can I create a party of 2x5 with 10 friends for private clangames, and switch between hero and villain in between games?
Co-op game modes are amazing,me and a buddy have been playing them every night.
Well even though I've enjoyed the beta, I have to say I've had a ton of lag. This is kind of unexpected really. I'm sure this topic will fill up with all the people who complain about COD games running P2P. Just because it's a different franchise and a PS3 exclusive doesn't excuse them from the same hatred given to other games that have decided to use P2P.
So wait...let me get this straight. Before the Sony fanboys on this site criticized MS for not providing dedicated servers with some of the games and now it's ok that Naughty Dog doesn't use dedicated servers? LOL the hypocrisy is deafening on this site. All I hear on this site is how awesome uncharted 3's multiplayer demo is and how there is no lag insisting that there is no issues with a MP game running off of non-dedicated servers, but when MS does it, it's Sony is better because they have dedicated servers...MS doesn't even have dedicated servers. I for one am glad that Naughty Dog didn't do dedicated servers. That way the next time some ignorant Sony fanboy wants to preach about how great Sony is because all their games run off of dedicated servers, I will be pointing out that their most glorious of games also doesn't run off of dedicated servers. Thank you Naughty Dog.
It's a beta not a demo, there is a big difference. Think before you speak.
It being a "beta" has nothing to do with my comment that is in response to Naughty Dog's comment that Uncharted 3's MP will not have dedicated servers. READ the article and THINK next time before you reply.
So your happy that they don't have dedicated servers, because it betters your trivial fanboy argument. Uhm....You do know that even though Uncharted 3 runs on P2P, their is still more games on the PS3 that runs on dedicated servers right?
Yes I am. How will the Sony fanboys learn anything if you don't educate them on their ignorance and FUD spreading? And the argument that the PS3 has many games that run on dedicated servers is beside the point. Point is that not ALL games run on dedicated servers on the PS3 and the PS's holy grail of games will be one of those.
This whole post is pointless.
I would have gladly taken dedicated servers over the useless Uncharted tv" feature in the dash area. I am sure they use a dedicated server for that.
why waste money on dedicated servers when they can advertise DLC and shit through uncherted TV? as it stands now uncharted will be a good singleplayer game to run through once or twice but after that i don't expect to play again just like uncharted1/2. gears3 on the other hand will kick ass in the MP/co-op arena and I'll still be playing it for years. uncharted3? not so much.
You do know you can turn off Uncharted T.V right? This isn't xbox live dashboard son.
id say they have the potential to do it but they need to step their game up,and be able to do what you can do on single player, like turn over tables, or like stick a nade on his back pocket, or set the grande he already has on. Jumping to do aerial meelee's destructive covers or things that will chip away. things like that are need for Uncharted mp
I tend to agree with you. I mean I get you probably can't pull every feature from the single player game to MP as it may be unbalancing, or too taxing on the system, etc... but Grenade sticks seem like a much more fun feature than the "taunt" which I have managed to use about 3 times and that was due to accidental button press. I also so far am inclined to think these maps (airport inparticular) are a bit too big. Too often I find myself wandering trying to find the next fire fight. Certainly the maps seems to have a central choke point of the middle hangar but there have been numerous times were you are just running and climbing looking for a bad guy for a solid minute. Oh and spawning in the "Plane chase" needs to be addressed. played a match this morning that had me spawn into the plane cargo area 4 times in a row in the middle of a pack of enemy players. That was a tad frustraiting.
yeah i know what you mean man, spawning on the planes are wack, and sometimes you are looking for people, i think uncharted would be fine with 8 players on each team, would cover the big maps more action would be happening more shooting would be most likely to be found. Stick grenade to an enemies pocket would be a great feature, medal for it should be called "Can you hold this for me?"
Cheater's will love this. In comes the lag switcher's.
i dont get it alot of people talk shit because gears 2 didnt have dedicated servers and complained about the lag and cheaters and what not but now that they have mentioned that UC3 wont have no dedicated servers alot of people are ok with it. i sometimes dont get this site......
Yeah but lag in the UC3 beta is at a minimal..if any at all, while Gears 2 had the worst servers on 360. The game was unplayable for a while and you know it. Cliffy B even acknowledged it in numerous interviews and fortunately, he learned from his mistakes. Tell me, did you even try the online for Gears 2 back in 08? It's easy to defend Gears 2 mp NOW, but back then.... I'm disappointed that ND decided to go P2P but UC is mainly a single player game that just happens to have a good multiplayer. Not having dedis doesn't mean the MP will have crap servers like CoD. Not a big deal.
i have had gears 2 since it was released.
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