James Gallagher, the Blog Manager of Sony Computer Entertainment Europe, comments on the controversy spewing over the PSN Pass system that will be introduced through Resistance 3.
Why the hell is this suddenly a controversy? PC had serials/keys for ages and I don't hear anyone complaining.
and look how far those got them , No where
@ Darkspade....Look how far it got them, no-where? Where was it suppose to get them? If the PC gaming industry is fading away (Which I doubt) its NOT because of some damn serials/keys. The serials/key just prevented cheap-ass people from getting free copies.
Serial keys unless you registered them to a specific person is lendable and transferable. Online Pass is a ONE TIME use and non-transferable. Oh, it was a big deal when StarCraft II came out with one profile per key, the sh!t hit the fan and there was a sh!tstorm goin on so no, the world isn't conspiring against Sony.
NOT TRUE....I have three PS3's. Socom has the online pass currently meaning you can NOT play a game online unless you download the unlock for online. ALL and I say again..."ALL" my PS3's are able to play online with socom. People just don't understand how the online pass will work. They shouldn't bitch or complain until they hear ALL the details from Sony.
Yeah, Online Pass is not a one time use item. They can be used across multiple PS3s. The only issue is that you have to log in to a single user account, which only affects those who want to use a different account to get trophies on that account. Otherwise, you can log in to the account it's tied to on up to 5 PS3s with a single pass. Would be nice for them to implement an option that allows you to transfer the Pass to a new account by having an e-mail verification process or something similar. Doing this would of course disable all Pass validations on the original account.
Let me rephrase that, it is a code you redeem, hence one time use. You cannot re-use the code. I'm not saying the pass is a one-time use.... Maybe I should have been more clear about that. @cgoodno ***Would be nice for them to implement an option that allows you to transfer the Pass to a new account by having an e-mail verification process or something similar.*** That would entirely defeat the purpose of this as it is a revenue generator for the publisher and essentially would be the same as the current system (in a round a bout way) i.e. the pass goes with the disc.
Good old James :)
I still maintain the pass will drive used game price to buy down, but will screw over people trading them in (who already get a bad deal anyway most times). The cost of a used game + pass will need to be less than a new game.
Yes and the retailers will probably start to do what they did to the psp go and not support them, in England all the major retailers support trade in games including supermarkets and they make more profit from trade ins. So if want to they will just not stock them to make sure they don't start a president so nobody will be able to buy sony ps pass games at competitive prices which will in turn drive up the price of new games.
Loads of titles already use these passes. It hasn't affected trade in prices at all. The only people that will be hurt by this are those who are purchasing pre-owned titles. Why should Sony, EA etc. be concerned with there opinions? They won't see a single penny from them without these passes so to be honest i think it's not that bad. I buy all my games new. Some on release, however, most being when they are discounted in price a few weeks later.
Well it sucks for ppl who want to lend their games to their siblings.. *sigh*
People with multiple consoles or users are definitely the only people this affects legitimately. Maybe some sort of "family pass" type of system, like the PSN has now with "activated systems", the ability to transfer a single pass between 5 users or something. That way, it still "locks" it, but it also means you have to basically gift a user a pass.
The people negatively affected by this are: a) gamers, because now the online community is going to be smaller as this is a barrier to online gaming b) publishers/developers as less people will be introduced to the game via friends as you just can't just lend them the disc. Sequels tend to sell better because there is a following that also continually spread to others. c) Used games sellers or trade-ins, because the value drops The unaffected or positively affected: a) retailers that sell used games, because they will just adjust the trade-in value accordingly, their profit stays the same, the profit margins go up. Ironically, it makes the used game look cheaper and even more affordable! b) pirates now at a minimum has the same use privileges as a used game buyer i.e. it now encourages more pirating c) publishers/developers will see a short term gain, but I think detrimental to long term outlook. Businesses are an investment into long term profits, not short term gains (and if they are, run away from them naow!)
Yeah, Thom, it hasn't done anything yet to used game sales. People go used for the cheaper prices and because they get credit for trading in other games. They will continue to save more money by trading in and buying used, even with a $10-15 Online Pass cost on top of that.
Obviously he is out of touch with the gaming market. If you add 10$ to a used game, that usually brings it up to about new game prices totally negating any savings a consumer might normally have should they want the complete game.
Most people who buy used on a regular basis also trade in games to help reduce used game costs. So, one used game trade in can easily account for the cost of the Online Pass. If you go by GameStop's usual program, you can get a new or very recently released used game for about $15-20 by trading in 3 other games.
Here's why this is a Bad Idea.. Let Say you buy the Game Retail $60 you use the PSN Pass on your account, now you are taking it to a friends house for a night of gaming, Now you'll have to pay another $10 to play on his PS3, I know you can pull your User name but If you own the Game you should be able to do has you please with it, dont have to down $10 per friend you have... I can see this getting out of hand very quickly.
Well if its anything like fifa you get a free 7 day trail
The main message is "Buy games new"
It is the principle of the matter. If there were more people like me then they will lose more money because we wont buy the game at all. Just watch how low the sales for Resistance 3 is going to be because of the pass. Sony will then want to rethink ever putting a pass in. If PSN plus users dont have to put in a pass then sony is basically have pay to play online like M$, except with only their exclusive titles. It seems like sony is now just trying to kill the playstation brand and it is a sad thing because the PS3 is better than those other two competing consoles. PC's have been doing this sorta thing for awhile and people started hacking and putting in codes without buying them. Sony might get even more hacking problems when the PSN pass releases. @Kee Speculation
"If PSN plus users dont have to put in a pass..." Is this a fact or speculation?
lolking... It's time for you to move on and infect a different website... Everyone here is tired of you... All of your comments follow the same formula: 1. Read headline, 2. Come up with a bunch of theories that sound air tight in your head, 3. Post them on N4G cause you assume we're all retarded and will believe what you post... The reason you have 1 bubble is cause all you do is troll and post lies...
I agree with you Kee Unfortunately "buy new" isn't an option for a lot of people... I always buy new... The only time I don't is when GameStop has the buy 2 get 1 offer, and then I only buy single player games... Yes, these plans are just a way for publishers to make more money, but it's to make up for the money that they miss out on from the game being bought used... I don't agree with this method though... If you buy a used Ford from say a Chevy dealership, Ford doesn't make any money on that car... You'll never be able to make everyone happy...
Nvm stupid iphone put my comment in the wrong spot
so since when did this become a "controversy"?
To the people defending the pass here's a question: Who gets the money made from the pass? Is it the developer? Is it going towards server maintenance? Or is it just more profit for sony, who were already probably going to make millions from R3? My bet would be the last one.
I'm pretty sure it's all of the above. :) I don't have a problem with this in general, it's not right that devs/publishers get left out of the used game-sale revenue. I hope however that they have some sort of trial-mode, with like 30 free minutes of online play or something like the 1-hour demos on PSN+, so people get too try the game and see if there is many players or not, before unlocking the multiplayer. I also think that this might lead to some online-games wich traditionally closes down when the next version comes might end up staying up for longer, if it keeps bringing in revenue.
how about the money is atleast going to the person that is bringing you the game and not places like gamestop that are doing nothing but selling used games at 5$ less for a high profit screwing everybody that you listed.
When a game has an online pass I "boycott" it by buying it used from Gamefly which gets me the game cheaper, money won't go to the dev/pub & it comes with the online pass for no extra charge. I'll usually buy games new otherwise. I want an incentive for buying 1 game over another & an online pass isn't an incentive to buy a game new.
So, you do the exact thing that lead them to implement Online Passes because you are against Online Passes?
Exactly. Guess their new idea isn't helping them that much. Now if the games that have online passes have dedicated servers then I would buy the games new.
You may be proud for standing on principle, but all this will do is lead to them implementing other methods to ensure they get paid for their work. On all games. I am glad that you do support dedicated server games, which are pretty much going the way of the dodo with the rise in broadband capabilities.
this comment has nothing to do with the Online Pass which i don't really care for since i buy my games new, but Holy Cow you are the only person i seen that has this many bubbles
gaming going down the shitter.they better be adding a tun of extra features and free dlc then from all this extra money or lower the price of games to a more reasonable price hows $39.99-$49.99 sound :D then there would be no reason to buy used games.
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