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PSN Pass: What It Means to You and the Industry

Earlier this week, rumblings began to disturb the PlayStation peace that had been found since the epic outage of the PlayStation Network some months back. A picture of the upcoming PlayStation 3/Resistance 3 bundle emerged, and there was something on it that took the Sony faithful by surprise. Tucked away on the left side of the box, next to a gigantic Chimera skull, was a logo popping-out of the package on a purple background. It read "PSN PASS" with a huge PlayStation Network logo next to it, and it immediately sparked debate and speculation as to just what it meant.

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nopunctuation2353d ago

It means nothing to you if you buy the retail game like normal people do. Death of piracy and loss of business to gamestop. Whats not to like?

LOGICWINS2353d ago

"It means nothing to you if you buy the retail game like normal people do."

Buying retail constitutes "normal"? Excuse me..what world do you live in? The used game market gains more revenue every year. People want to pay LESS for games...not more.

M-Easy2353d ago (Edited 2353d ago )

I love how this is a huge deal now but when EA and THQ did it people moaned and went on with their lives. When Sony does its all "aww snap, sh*t just got real"

How much is the PSN pass, $10? If you think about it you would have to buy six used games over the course of a year, that would add up to $60 which is how much M$ charges gamers to play online whether the game was new, used and/or borrowed.

Plus not all Sony games are multiplayer, and not all developers will sign on with it. Its a opt in service. Crytek doesn't like EA's online pass and refused to implement it and Crysis 2 doesn't require it. Epic agreed with EA's online pass and implemented it in Bulletstorm.

So basically if you need a huckleberry go after the developers for wanting to make a profit on their product and not the publisher for suggesting it. But we can all agree on blaming EA for starting the whole movement.

Yi-Long2353d ago

... once you want to play it on another console, either because it broke down and you bought a new one, or you want to play it at a friend's house, or whatever.

If you buy a game in the shop, you shouldn't have to deal with all kinds of extra crap like codes and stuff like that.

I'm not buying ANY games which use these kind of passes, and that's coming from someone who buys all his games NEW! I just don't need the extra hassle.

LOGICWINS2353d ago (Edited 2353d ago )

"I love how this is a huge deal now but when EA and THQ did it people moaned and went on with their lives. When Sony does its all "aww snap, sh*t just got real"

Its not that big of a deal for me personally since I don't buy PS3 exclusives used..not because I give a crap about supporting the devs, but more because I want games like Uncharted 3 Day 1.

The reason this is a big deal is because its happening to PS3 exclusives...which are already struggling saleswise.

LBP 2 sold less than LBP 1 in the same time frame.

KZ3 sold less than KZ2 in the same time frame.

...do u see the pattern here? Having a PSN pass for ALL PS3 exclusives would lead to even bigger decrease in sales for PS3 exclusive games.

Outside of the Internet, barely anyone knows that Resistance 3 exists...which is why Sony wanted to push THAT particular game with the 3DTV bundle. Including a PSN Pass with an ALREADY under-the-radar game like RE3 spells trouble.

M-Easy2353d ago (Edited 2353d ago )

The Sony press release SPECIFICALLY said NOT all Sony games will use the program. And every game you mentioned has already or will soon pass 2 million sales, including both Resistances. All those games are in Sony's Platinum collection except LBP2 & KZ3 obviously because they just came out within the last 6 months. I'm sure every dev would be happy with those numbers.

Then you contradict yourself with your last paragraph. If no one outside of the internet knows what R3 is then no one outside of the internet knows the the hell a PSN pass is so it wont affect their decisions at all.

Edit: at below:
Wait what? So your saying Johnny Consumer will go into a store and see R3, read the box and consider buying it, then see the PSN Pass sticker which says if you buy this game the online portion will be FREE, he'll change his mind. I mean he was going to buy it but now that he can play mp FREE he was like "screw that where do you keep COD: 27" lol and you wonder why I changed your name.

LOGICWINS2353d ago (Edited 2353d ago )

"@LOGICLOSES"

That fact that u need begin with an insult to get your point across puts your whole argument into question.

"All those games are in Sony's Platinum collection except LBP2 & KZ3 obviously because they just came out within the last 6 months. I'm sure every dev would be happy with those numbers."

Wait...ur telling me that GG would be okay with the fact that KZ3(a better game than KZ2 in their opinion) is showing signs that it will sell less than KZ2?

"If no one outside of the internet knows what R3 is then no one outside of the internet knows the the hell a PSN pass is so it wont affect their decisions at all."

Umm..they're going to SEE it on the box.

@M-Easy- When Johnny Gamer decides to buy RE3 USED..he will realize that he needs to pay an extra $10 for the PSN pass. This may discourage him from buying the game. For all we know, he would have enjoyed his USED RE3 copy so much that he would become a fan of the series and buy the NEXT Resistance game DAY 1.

Buying games used can turn non-fans into fans that will buy the next iteration of a series DAY 1.

Why o why2353d ago (Edited 2353d ago )

No need for insults even though it was kinda funny....sorry. I respect both sides of the arguments thrown up. Im a gamer first and foremost so i have to be selfish and focus more on the disadvantages for myself as aposed to the benefits for the devs. Its a precident im not liking. You can see how the industry we love will take full advantage from paying to play online to paying for dlc already on the disks and various other dlc scams to things like this if we let them. Admittedly im not 100 on what i can or cant do with this pass so ill save my full judgement until i do but my gut feeling is one of cynicism and worry.

I buy all my games brand new but i also sell some on when im done with em so this will more than likely affect me but the retailers who buy our games off us for dirt cheap and sell them for better margins than they would a new title is one of the reasons these online passes have been introduced and have to foot some of the blame. Servers cost, true but if somebody buys a used game the traffic isnt duplicated as its the same disk so its one less one more not one plus another... Thats a weak excuse for those who throw that up in whoevers defense unless theres something im missing. If so then ill take it on board. A simi weak excuse against is the 'if i buy a car secondhand x doesnt get anything' . Sorry. If you buy brand new you have something called a warranty. You buy used and you'll probably find that you dont. Warranty is important and if you want your used car to have an extended warranty you'll bet ur a$$ you have to pay for it

RememberThe3572353d ago (Edited 2353d ago )

I'm with Logic on this one. This is not good for Resistance 3. R2 sold less than half what R:FOM sold, and R3 is getting little hype. This pass thing is not helping to get people exited for the game at all. R3 is looking like one of the better shooters this fall yet people don't seem too excited for it. This isn't making it any better for them.

As long as you can play online like you can with the EA games it should be OK. Most of my friends don't mind buying games new if they feel it's worth it. Thats what happened with Medal of Honor, one of my friends rented it, we all liked it's online and we all bought it.

@below: It's not a bigger deal. That EA pass stuff pissed a lot of people off. Stop pretending that Sony is being victimized here and realize we're the one losing out. We're the ones who can't share the game with our friends and we're the ones who have to deal with that stupid code. Everyone here understand the motivation and economics of it but it doesn't mean we have to like it.

Army_of_Darkness2353d ago

Why are there so many cry babies!? EA has done it for some time now so why is it a surprise and a bigger deal now that Sony is doing it!? This is coming from a guy who usually buys used games too! But i no longer find this an issue cause i actually don't mind buying the games new. Why?! Well if you haven't noticed, games drop in price within months after release, hell even weeks! I just got shadows of the damned for $39 new on sale at futureshop! :-D
And it was just released a few weeks Ago! People. Its just a matter of patience and waiting for the right sale;-)

BeOneWithTheGun2353d ago

It's not just that. I purchase all "must-have" games new. That said, I plan on recouping some of my money when I beat the game or tire of the MP. I take the $40 I make off craigslist and re-invest into another game. If I cannot sell the game now due to this "pass" then I might opt to NOT make so many new purchases.

Resistance is a perfect example. I was stoked for the SP and the MP. With this whole "pass" fiasco, I am going to rent the game, play the single player and say fuck the MP. I will wait for battlefield.

See, the devs just lost a purchase from me because the SP is the main attraction. I might have liked the MP but nothing seems ground breaking so now I am not giving the dev any money. It will simply take up a slot in my GameFly Que.

SilentNegotiator2352d ago (Edited 2352d ago )

"It means nothing to you if you buy the retail game like normal people do"

Inability to play it on any console/account you wish?
Precedent for more DRM-like BS?
Less customer rights?

This doesn't mean anything to "normal" customers?

"Why are there so many cry babies!? EA has done it for some time now so why is it a surprise and a bigger deal now that Sony is doing it!?"
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EA is a third party. Sony is a first party. YES, it is a bigger deal when a first party creates such a precedent. Third parties will always struggle with techniques, use them against eachother for marketing purposes, etc. When a first party with full control of one of the big three consoles creates such a precedent....

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nopunctuation2353d ago

The used game industry is is unfair to developers. When gamestop sells a used game, they keep all the money and none of it goes to the developers. It doesnt even count as a sale for them. This is just their way of fighting that because quite frankly, its BS. If there werent so many dicks in the world trying to ruin gaming through this and piracy then they wouldnt have to do this. Face it, games cost money and the cost grows every year as demands grow higher. We are just going to have to get used to this if we want gaming to survive. Console locked discs are pretty much inevitable.

RememberThe3572353d ago (Edited 2353d ago )

The intent is not to ruin gaming, it's to save money. You can't sit there and as a consumer defend higher game prices. Do you defend higher gas prices? What about higher cell phone bills?

We as consumers want to spend as little as possible and get the best experience we can. Demand rises as prices drop and falls as price increases. If they want to get more people into gaming (buying DLC and the lot) they need to keep prices as low as possible. The general consumer is less likely to want to pay 60-70 dollars for a video game. Thats why we see casual games priced at 40-50 dollars.

The industry needs to understand that the less we pay for games the more games we buy. I just bought 5 games off the PSN because they were 50% off. If that sale wasn't going on I would have bought 1.

I understand the idea that if publishers keep lowering prices, used games will just keep undercutting them. But that is not the issue. The issue is offering consumers "competitive prices" on top of the pass. If I have to hassle with some stupid pass that makes it so I can't share my game with friends than I shouldn't pay the same amount as a game that allows me to do what I want with it with no hassle.

There is no incentive for us to go along with these passes other than it's required to play a game you already payed for.

gamingdroid2353d ago (Edited 2353d ago )

"The used game industry is is unfair to developers."

Yes, and the book industry, car industry, music industry, movie industry and so on are all so unfair to their creators!

Fact is, there is no other industry that demands a piece of the *used* sales pie, after the first sale has occurred. How many times I resell the game, is my business as the original sellers got their cut of the profit already.

This if anything, is unfair to *NEW* game buyers that paid for the game, but no longer is allowed to share it with friends and family. In addition, we also now get a smaller community to play against.

This is nothing, but good for developers only short term and terrible for everyone else!!!

There are many ways to stem used sales, without hurting the gamer and the entire industry.

Solidus187-SCMilk2353d ago (Edited 2353d ago )

NOPE WRONG.

The only reason whay I have a problem with things like online passes is because devs pretend as if its a crime to sell games used.

its not. Its no different than a CD, DVD or even a CAR. If I buy a product, I have the right to sell it and the original seller deserves NO MORE MONEY for my second had sale.

I do not feel that the game industry should be the only industry where the original producers of a product should get more money if I sell it used.

The devs have no right to any more money for the product. And the devs/publishers have no right to charge someone an extra fee just for buying the game used, and thats exactly what they are doing.

The used game market makes devs money when someone trades games in to buy a new one, and this happens A LOT!!!!!!!!!!!!

Developers have every right to enter the used games market and compete with GS, not to charge consumers a "used game tax" for a product that THEY ALREADY GOT MONEY FOR. Or they could just make a game that is actually worth keeping.

Imagine if you bought a car used but the original dealer charged you a fee to use the lights, windshield wipers, windows and CD player?

In conclusion, this garbage "used tax" doesnt fly in ANY other market, its NOT OK for the videogame market.

I dont even buy games used, but I do trade them in to buy new ones. Devs can suck it, they overstep their bounds on this crap IMO.

edit-- ^^^They beat me too it.

SilentNegotiator2352d ago (Edited 2352d ago )

"Yes, and the book industry, car industry, music industry, movie industry and so on are all so unfair to their creators!"

Exactly. None of these industries have totally crashed, and there is no need to steal consumer rights - to OWN their copy of the game and sell their copy - to "save" the gaming industry.

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LOGICWINS2353d ago

"The used game industry is is unfair to developers. When gamestop sells a used game, they keep all the money and none of it goes to the developers."

Life isn't fair. Capitalism isn't fair..get used to that. It's not fair for games to launch at a $60 price tag either..not in this economy.

Unicron2353d ago

How isn't it "fair" to launch at $60. Consider the price of EVERYTHING has gone up, yet over the past 20 years, game prices have remained stable. Ever compare what you pay to go to the movies today with 1990? Yeah...

Game development costs have ballooned into the tens of millions, yet games are STILL only around $60.

LOGICWINS2353d ago (Edited 2353d ago )

@Unicron- Let me provide you with this analogy.

A Ferrari that regularly costs $1 million is now being sold for $250,000.

Thats a GREAT deal because its a 75% price drop. But heres the problem..MOST people don't have the discretionary income to take advantage of this great deal.

Another example,

When the PS3 launched @ $600, it was a FANTASTIC deal because Blu-Ray players ALONE at the time sold for $1000. However, $600 was STILL obviously too much for the average gamer...hence why Sony needed to drop the price.

Similarly, $60 for a video game is technically a good deal since dev costs have gone up dramatically...but its still too much for the average consumer considering they can wait a month and get the game used for $10-$20 less.

The informed hardcore gamer has a different perception of the value of a $60 game than the average gamer.

Unicron2353d ago

Perception of value, which varies from person to person, doesn't change the reality of gaming not following inflation seen in other markets.

I rather hate analogies, as they are all flawed, but why is it ok to pay $14 for a movie ticket for a 2 hour show, but $60 for a 10 hour game is out of the question?

So again, what is "unfair" about a title releasing at $60?

gamingdroid2353d ago (Edited 2353d ago )

I do agree that games have not increased in cost, but we buy far more games per customer as well as the number of gamers has increased exponentially.

That is the beauty of competition. Surely, all those developers/publishers are worth far more than they were 20 years ago.

I believe games are priced accordingly. Computing power is far cheaper now a days than ever before, but do strive for price control?

It's simply growth and progress in work! So there is nothing unfair about it...

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Gray-Fox-Type02353d ago (Edited 2353d ago )

PSN Pass = Fail

Sony for doing this = Fail

Simple.

Plus PS3 exclusives doing this...already dont sell well.this will cause more damage.

jdfoster002353d ago

Paying for online = Fail

Buying a full game for $60 which you're paying for the whole experience yet this experience is hindered by the fact you have to pay EXTRA to play online eventhough you have dished out $60 for it... Sony won't care about if people don't buy it used anyway because they won't be making any money of it... From a business point of view this = win for consumers =Fail/Win for gamestop it = ??

LOGICWINS2353d ago

"Plus PS3 exclusives doing this...already dont sell well.this will cause more damage."

Exactly.

Software_Lover2353d ago

@ 1.4.1

I dont think you understand the pass system. It's not for the 60.00 game, its for the used game.

M-Easy2353d ago (Edited 2353d ago )

Saying PS3 exclusives don't sell well doesn't make it true. I guess its just one of those facts that you conveniently left out. But like Congress I'm sure you didn't mean that as a factual statement.

xabmol2353d ago

"But like Congress I'm sure you didn't mean that as a factual statement."

Ha! xD

Why o why2353d ago (Edited 2353d ago )

Damn, here we go with the 'ps games dont sell' nonsense......this doesnt affect new games and 2nd hand games dont add to any tally's anyway. Since we're all being silly in this bit........

When you have more than 3 or 4 exclusives your games will sell less and i did'nt hear you guys saying anything about the sales of ninja lade, too human, alan wake, crackdown 2 fable 2 etc so stop regurgitating fud....'exactly'

Ok. In all seriousness if this does in fact affect sales the sony will have to bite the bullet like ms did with trying to make pc gamers pay for crap they've always had for free. Pc gamers said eff that sh/t and ps fans may follow suit..who knows. Hope they/we have the balls but im saying this from a point of ignorance as i dont know everything about it yet

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aquamala2353d ago

Don't be surprised when resistance 3 MP is dead 6 months after release because of this, this affects everyone

theonlylolking2353d ago

It is the principle of the matter not just buying a game used or new.

MikeGdaGod2352d ago

i just wonder what it means to people like me that have Gamefly accounts???

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Organization XII2353d ago

Industry starting to fail? I'm not really sure, but definitely a bad thing for us gamers who dont want these annoying ass procedures to be forced upon our throats!

MrSpace2353d ago

I don't honestly care, I hate buying used games anyway.

HeavenlySnipes2353d ago

Yeah because they are cheaper and are in the same condition as the sealed version (on ps3 bluray discs)
/s

Software_Lover2353d ago

Used sales mean nothing to online gaming.

If a person buys a game new, trades it in, then someone else buys it, its as if the second purchase was never made. Period. Maybe the first person didn't like the game? Maybe he/she finished the single player and didn't care for the multiplayer? Who knows. But to act like they are losing money online is ridiculous. I understand that they aren't making as much as they could, but losing money???????

If I sell a pie to someone, they take it home, dont like it and gives it to someone else does that hurt my pockets? The only industry where I can see selling something used would hurt someone selling something new is the car business.

I'm all for purchasing new, if you can, but most of these games dont constiture $40, let alone the $60 they are asking for. One of the reasons I love steam.

Xenial2353d ago

I agree with what you said Software.

@ article
Comparing a used car to a used video game.. really?

thebudgetgamer2353d ago

i'm afraid this type of stuff is going to kill retro gaming in the future.

zero_gamer2353d ago

The glory days died with the birth of this game generation. It's all a downhill from here.

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