Elder Scrolls fans are angered over the "streamlining" of Bethesda's upcoming The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim. But does streamlining really spell doom for all games? Save and Quit argues that it does not.
Yeah Bethesda said it was so people didn't start the game over six times to get their character right but isn't that the whole point of exploring what best suits your character. I did the same in Fallout 3 and the character creation was made so you didn't really have to do that...but I still did. Although the thing which bugged me in Oblivion was that if you wanted to be a theif/mage then you couldn't get the best out of magic since you needed to have a lot of magicka to use the best spells, the only way you could do that was to pick a magic type class, the mage star sign and focused all your ablities on magic which in the end didn't leave room for other skills IF you wanted to mix it up and become a mage/theif or a Warrior/mage
In fairness, Skyim is stll like that, you're limited to the perks you get on one playthrough(50 out of 230), which are the real character defining things, it would be the same as starting again in Skyrim, except this time instead of wanting to start again 3 hours in, it will be like 50-75 in. At the 3 hour mark in Skyrim you will likely be thinking of using something you just discovered, as you described above, focus on thief/mage with some sword perks or bow to back it up. Instead of it not being in your major skills in which case....F**k no That's the real difference, by the time you are lets say level 40 in Skyrim, you WILL be a defined character which would have had a preset name in the others. It just happens over the course of the game instead of right at the beginning. Oh but eh, I agree with Headline Anyway with perks, you're weapon of choice is chosen. Sword, ax etc. You're spells(better with Fire), armor type and some random specials(such as lady killer in FO3)
The worst thing about Oblivion was that the best strategy was to set your MINOR skills as the ones you will use most often. The entire levelling system was awful.
yes and no are there more complicated games out there in 2011 than there were in 2001>>> YES games like Empire Total War Civ 5 X3 Terran Conflict Battlefield 2 and 3 The Witcher 2 Demons Souls But certain franchises yes, absolutlely, see dragon age 2, mass effect 2
lol civ 5 was dumbed down
have you played the early Civ, Total war and wing commander games?
i played civ 1 wayy back when computers were beige, lol then skipped 2 and 3 and played some of 4 i have only played 3 hours or so of 5, it was complicated than most games, more so if you develop all your own tiles!
The highest learning curve game I played was steel battalion. I played so hard and mastered it. Nothing exists on the market for consoles with complexities like that. So yes I see console games as being severly dumbed down.
If games are made more intuitive and accessible, how is this a bad thing? You can make a game as complex as you want but that doesn't mean its good. The best games are those that anyone is able to play immidiately AND difficult/chanllenging to master. Skyrim serves as an example of games being dumbed down? I spent countless hours trying to balance my characters skill points, and managing my inventory- time better spent actually playing the game. The levelng up system for Skyrim is well thought out. If I use a long sword, cast fire magic spells frequently and pick countless locks, shouldn't I be a little proficient in these things? Assigning skill points after you gain a level is tedious and outdated game design. The perks system is another matter- it gives your character unique abilities and not simply stat modifiers.
I spent 200 plus hours in Oblivion and have played dozens of old and new rpgs. If I primarily use a sword, shield, pick locks and cast fire why should I be limited in proficiency by whether or not they're minor or major skills?
"Assigning skill points after you gain a level is tedious and outdated game design." This is the epitome of an RPG. The whole point is I get to assign where my points go. I don't want generic leveling systems. I want to do everything myself. Every single upgrade, weapon, point, mana slot, everything, I want to set it up MY way.
The Witcher 2 isn't being dumbed down to say the least. Great game!! And from what I hear, Demon Souls neither. But there are cases where dev's dumb down games and srew them up (Dragon Age 1 vs Dragon Age 2 anyone?) wich isn't something I dont like at all. Games nowadays need to sell and harcore gamers get the shaft more than often.
Most games feel too much like movies these days. They're too passive with barely a learning curve. They're just like Michael Bay movies, all spectacle and no substance. So yeah, imho games have become waaaay too dumbed down. While improvements are being made in some areas like graphics & audio. Artistic integrity, technical design and just that sense of being a video game has become lost. Game-play wise, games as a whole have become much, much less fun and challenging compared to only 10 or so years ago. There is a clear and distinct lack of depth to them that gives em a very shallow and pointless feel. Nowadays its throwaway and completely disposable pop-games. Its almost gone full circle back to pong, space invaders and pac-man, but obviously with better graphics. And even then half of the games cant even muster that moment to moment addictive game-play design. Seriously games like Elder Scrolls were at their very best when they were complex juggernauts that needed taming and at least a modicum of effort from the player.
agreed, and its all by DESIGN, but its cool, im good with saving $$$$, YES!!!
accessibility has ruined alot of great game series this generation. stupid casual gamers are ruining our hobby.
answer: CLEARLY YES!!... at the same time the Publisher and dev Studio will claim there not, YET the evidence is UNDENIABLE!.....and Im saving alot of $$$ this year, as I pass on ALL mediocre Sequels OR New IP, i wont compromise PERIOD, and the MORE they LIE, the EASIER it becomes for me , not to care, and just not SUPPORT that Franchise.Its about $$$ to these people, they dont care about YOU, the gamer. And If 2012 is filled with Half-truths and Half Baked Franchises, I will just continue to IGNORE those games, and spend my hard earned $$$ on something more quality and worthwhile, lol, man im sleeping good at night!, knowing im following my conscience, and being disciplined and sensible.
Here we go again with the over exaggerating. Just because some of the things have been streamlined doesnt mean the game is gonna be a cake walk. I've seen people bitch about this game because you cant input a class name....its gonna be amazing and most likely rpg GOTY, just enjoy it for what its going to be.
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