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The PSN Pass: Is It Really That Much of a Surprise? (Gamerlive.tv)

Sony's latest business decision revolving around the PSN Pass has users and fanboys up in arms. But they shouldn't take it so personal. It's just business, and there's a reason Sony's doing it.

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ninjablaze2265d ago

lol can't believe a site like this is defending such an action

$ony fanboys much?

zero_gamer2265d ago (Edited 2265d ago )

There are SONY fans angry with this idea, and of course we'll have hypocrites that bashed EA supporting PSN Pass. Fanboys are blind fools.

Washington-Capitals2265d ago

This is a fail all around. Even if i buy the game new, its my copy that i own. If i choose to sell it the person buying should also be able to play online.

AND WHAT ABOUT PEOPLE WHO LET FRIENDS BORROW GAMES. This is another fail. Fanboys need to stop defending whoever did this, either sony or insomniac cause its just plain ignorant and stupid. Get a life.

longcat2265d ago (Edited 2265d ago )

They could give 3-5 passes, similar to how you can put games on PSN on multiple consoles.

At least its not capcom Resident evil bad. that shit is scary

longcat2265d ago

hold on...what if i create an account and sell the game with the account access.

Solution?

No trophies, but i dont care bout that

NewMonday2265d ago

the bright side is used games will be cheaper

KillaManiac2265d ago

So people always complain about Gamestop and how its used games hurt the business, but now Sony does something that other companies are doing to counter used games and everyone is bashing Sony for it???

I don't remember people flipping this much when all EA games, and even new games like Mortal Kombat have it.

MaxXAttaxX2265d ago

...It's not a monthly fee. It's a one time activation.

My guess is Sony is just trying to get a bit of their money back from used game sales.

My question is, if you get this new(or used and get the pass) can you play the game online on another PS3 under the same account?

zero_gamer2265d ago (Edited 2265d ago )

KillaManiac, the people complaining about GameStop are the ones supporting this pass, not bashing it. You have it backwards.

NationExplosion, it's tied to whatever PS3 console(s) you activated under your account. Any gamer with those PS3 consoles can play online.

This leaves used games, renting, lending and borrowing out of the equation unless someone is willing to purchase a pass. All in all I despise this idea in its entire. However I never planned on buying R3 regardless as I grew weary of FPS games. BF3 on PC will be an exception because I haven't played a BF game before so I am curious what the game is about.

jadenkorri2265d ago

to stop this nonsense, don't buy their product period, same with EA's. If you don't buy, they'll stop. You can't make money back from "used sales" if no ones buying your product in the first place. If you go out and buy Resistance 3, or any EA product, your supporting this stupid pass. I'm calling the next step, guess what its going to be, passes for the whole game, like on PC. Then were stuck indefinitely with a game we no longer play.
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Rhythmattic2265d ago (Edited 2265d ago )

I haven't read it yet, but I'm guessing they are saying its a good idea...

Like, Buy the game new, Play online for free....

However, if you buy it second hand, we will make sure you pay an entry fee... But for that game only... After all... Online is actually FREE.

MS Fanboy Much ?

Let me reply.

As for me, I have never sold .nor traded a game in.... And with that,Xbox Live aint worth my money.

EDIT: Opps.. Much more fun like this

M$ Fanboy Much ?

(ooohh, the dollar sign.... MMmmm)

kaveti66162265d ago

Are you having a conversation with yourself?

You don't have to be a Microsoft fanatic to dislike this Sony Pass thing. A friend of mine has a PS3 as well. Sometimes he gets MP games before I do and I have the option of borrowing them from him to test them out, but now I don't think I can really borrow them for any extended period because I'd have to pay.

It doesn't hurt me that much because I can just play the game at my friend's house for a cool minute to see how it is, but this new Pass is just another system of control.

Sony and EA are not offering enough incentive for gamers to accept this DRM. Valve did a better job of appeasing its community with free games and highly discounted game packs. STEAM is so great it doesn't really feel like a DRM.

Rhythmattic2265d ago

Yeh, sorry , i was blabbling on drunk early this morning...

YogiBear2264d ago

@Kaveti6616
You are aware that you have a trial period of 4-7 days with EA's online games before you either enter voucher code or buy a pass right?

RBLAZE19882265d ago (Edited 2265d ago )

they're just trying to get money from used game sales...Why is that such a big deal. I think it's fair since used game sales prevent the developers and publishers from seeing a penny for their work...If you guys are so mad, go complain and boycott gamestop...They are the entire reason all these companies are doing this stuff. Gamestop makes 80 percent profit from a used game sale and nobody else sees the money from that sale.

Rhythmattic2265d ago (Edited 2265d ago )

I Agree..

Why is this actually a problem ?

Surley, YOU, the software owner, knows the value of a traded game? Do you?

For what its worth,the game store will rip you off on trade in, and rip you off at 2nd hand sales...

Its up to YOU, yes you, to make sure if you trade or buy, its a fair price...

Otherwise, use ebay, and if its an extra $10 to play online, But its still $20 cheaper than the next best buy... Everyone wins !

Its a scale of economics..

slayorofgods2265d ago (Edited 2265d ago )

they're just trying to get money from used game sales...Why is that such a big deal.

because games are 60$.

Sony wants to control the market by eliminating the middle man as much as possible. They aim to have digital downloads at a set price, see the psp. They are now aiming at eliminating used games, a practice that has allowed people to buy games at a reasonable prices for a few decades.

Now watch R3 stay at a high price (60 bucks to play) since it will have no trade in value / less competition in the free market

Rhythmattic2265d ago (Edited 2265d ago )

slayorofgods

Bear with me.. I've never traded Nor sold any of my games...

What is the value of trading in a game ? (Purchase price as to trade value)

Can you swap it for a new release after 7 Days?

BTW, So gamestop (& place other game outlets here) controlling Sony IP on the 2nd market is any different...

Its really simple.... When you buy 2nd hand, Take into account the online pass price and make sure the retailer subsidises you for it...

As for buying it new....It wont cost you $60... Great deals can be had on the Net.

Lich1202265d ago

$60 really isn't that much for a video game. I paid the exact same amount when I bought perfect dark for the N64 in 1998. 13 years later and the price hasn't gone anywhere. Considering the scale difference in the size of a dev team it takes to make a triple A game now, compared to 13 years ago Im inclined to say that Im not opposed to companies trying to make more money by limiting used sales. This is a much better idea then say, jacking up the cost of a new game to try and cover the money they lose from used sales.

NiKK_4192265d ago

@Lich120
yeah, i think i would much rather have this than have the price go up on all games

but i have to say, i wonder what will happen when i get R3 on gamefly...there should really be some fix for when people rent games

Lich1202265d ago

Ahhh, I didn't take renting into account because I havent rented in a long long time. It would be tricky to make a system that supported renting as well as fighting piracy.

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Blaze9292265d ago

My only question is how much will the passes from Sony be. If they think they can charge $20 like they started doing with PSP games like Fire Team bravo 3 - then good luck to them.

Rhythmattic2265d ago

But thats the question...

Sony, MS, EA,ABC, XYZ...

If you know how much the online will cost and take that into account, whether you trade or buy second hand, the precedence is SET.

If your a gamer, and in the know, (and we we are here @ NG4), That gross profit is gone.. So, they make ?? % mark up on a traded game... Who cares...

Prices will reflect this "online pass" introduction... As it should of already....

Lets not let the retailers hide the fact... If it needs an online pass, the price, cost ratio is taken into account...

Its not that hard really...

Heartnet2265d ago

Lol Dude of they could be fanboys of the games industry in general lol..

Pre owned market hurts the games industry not just Sony... They could be defending network passes in gerneral and not just Sony..

Jeez i hate people like you that just cause somebody supports an Idea that they are Automatically a fanboy of MS or Sony..

Not every1 is as childish as you so obv are

slayorofgods2265d ago (Edited 2265d ago )

It's also a communistic system of controlling the market. If you buy property shouldn't it be your property? Shouldn't you be able to put it into the "free market" sell it, make a lot of money on rarities (sukodien 2), trade it in when you get tired of it for a different game. putting it out in the free market, gamestop can make money they still have to follow the law of supply and demand. This law ensures that I get a fair deal when I buy a game.

If there is only one source of getting games that is communism, or at least a monopoly. Either way it ignores the free market.

UnwanteDreamz2265d ago (Edited 2265d ago )

@slayrofgods

Your argument is a strawman fallacy. You can still sell your games in the "open market". Try presenting a real argument on the topic instead of twisting reality to support your ridiculous claims.

BTW Sony owns PSN at no time in your games buying or selling have you purchased PSN. You therefore can not resell something you never owned. Face palm to your whole argument.

slayorofgods2265d ago

@UnwanteDreamz

My agruement is more satirical then literal...

"Sony owns PSN at no time in your games buying or selling have you purchased PSN. You therefore can not resell something you never owned."

That is the point, Sony is going in a direction that all games are going to be through the psn or bypasses the middle man in some way. Just look at the psp, the sales are regulated by Sony via the psn, where are the actual copies of the games going?
My point is from not being able to resell or trade R3 to Gamestop via GamePass. Imagine all games going in that direction. It takes away from our overall ownership and ability to trade..... To give a FU to your facepalm I will say it again. enter satire/ It's comunistic / end satire

No_Pantaloons2265d ago

"it does take away dollars from the game developers and publishers"

NO, you were NEVER entitled to that money, EVER. There has always been a used market for video games, like most other consumer products. You lost nothing, get over it.

It is on THEIR shoulders do make a product that people don't want to sell, not ours to buy only brand new.
The only thing worst then these companies greed is the sheep "gamers" that allow them to do it. The consumer has always held the power.

mastiffchild2265d ago

No-Pantaloons is dead right. As a musician I dion't bleat,cry and moan like a bitch the way the games industry does over used sales of discs.Insomniac and Sony might think it clever and, somehow, right to align themselves with Ea over this but I expected better(esp of Insomniac) and expected a more honest and realistic approach to used sales-make a better game and fewer will WANT to trade and MORE will preorder or buy new. It'ssimple.

also, not every used sale means a new sale is lost. I ALWAYS preferred new games and to show my support to developers of good games but when I was a stgudent or unemployed for spells I simply couldn't afford new games and those who rely on used games now simplyt won't magic up the cash for R3 or for a pass on top of the used fee. All that wiill happen is fewer people will be playing online after a month or two and a dead online is no advert for the next fdranchise installment or next IP from Insom. Also allowing us to buy used when we're too poor to buy new keeps us in touch with gaming and allows us to become hooked for life and students are the big buyers of tomorrow.

In short, just as I became an Insomniac fan via a used copy of R&C back in the day, so woud peole with R3 now without this silly move which is both short sighted and a bit effin greedy. I think it will mean fewer fans in fujture and a weak, shorter lived online community for R3 than it would otherwise have had and as a result it's no incentive fior gamers to stick with them in the nrext generation/next IP etc.

Used sales aren't this blanket bad thing for gaming and developers and publishers both short and long term used sales can benefit gaming as an industry and if they keep pricing folk out they will leave gaming for more accessible pass times. That's to say nothing of the fact this makes the industry look greedy and pirates use exactly that as a reason to justify what they do to gaming. If the industry was more inclusive and took some responsibility when we don;'t kee(or buy) a game because it's just not that great then we'd all be less inclined to turn blind eyes ti the pirates we al know imho.

These greedy moves will do more harm than what they intend to stop. I doubt I can support games doing this any more just as games making us pay for true endings etc via DLC(C:LOS anyone!?)I find unbearably crass and greedy. This is part of a problem and not a cure for anything.

TheDCD2265d ago

It isn't a matter of defense. It's just the go with the flow when it comes to business.

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Les-Grossman2265d ago

Nope & with the PS4 people will be charged to play Online

Blaze9292265d ago

yeah I think it's pretty much a guarantee that Sony will charge for online play in some sort of way for the PS4. But I guess we will find out with the Vita first.

v1c1ous2264d ago

HEY GUYS! you want to buy an USED game? PAY ME $10! IT'S ONLY FAIR SINCE US POOR DEVELOPERS ARE STRUGGLING :C

oh and BTW, why don't you pay us $15 for day 1, on disc DLC? you guys love that right?

plmkoh2265d ago

Why is PSN pass such shocking news?

Sony was already testing the waters with Socom: FtB3 last year.

Should've bitched about it then, rather than now.

zero_gamer2265d ago

Apparently select PSP games were doing the same too for some time.

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Neko_Mega2265d ago

Why do people think Sony fans are the ones that are ok with it? In the end the only people that have a problems with it is the ones that buy it used.

I can buy it used and get a free pass if I want to, I just know my own way around it.

sarshelyam2265d ago

Exactly! The other part people seem to neglect is the fact that the Online Pass is tied to the hardware, not the PSN account. So if you have multiple accounts on one PS3, everyone benefits from the Pass...even those who didn't pay a dime for the game in the first place.

Wow, that's so incredibly unfair of Sony...isn't it?

Sarcasm aside, this only benefits Sony in making a bit more money in a market that thrives on preowned sales. The only folks who really should be that upset are those that don't support new product, or those that buy-sell-rebuy the same product over and over. That said, once you have the online pass it really isn't going to matter as you own that license regardless if you own the software any longer. So really then, the ONLY people who should be objecting this are those buying preowned...or those trying to beat a system they deem unfair.

Look, I'll summarize by stating the following; If the end product in a system that offers an Online Pass to New Software purchases spells a more robust online experience and the insurance that developers, no matter their size, are stabilized and continue to deliver new product that is worth my money...then it's a "price" I'll pay.

I left price in quotes considering I'm really not paying anything extra for this, nor am I losing anything from the move...it's just a simple step to activate the title and its online feature set. No skin off my back really.

Neko_Mega2265d ago

I don't think Sony is getting any of the money out of this, in fact I thing it is all going to EA.

To tell the truth EA never really had to good of online, games are awesome but most of the time their online couldn't even handle half the number of people in one game (At least for consoles).

No Way2265d ago (Edited 2265d ago )

You don't think the fact that I can't borrow games to play online isn't a problem?
If my friend playing a game, and I'm like, hey.. Lemme borrow that to see if I like.
So, I bring it home, put it in my PS3, go through the menus, find Online, click on it...
Then I get a message telling me I cannot play online, I needa purchase the pass.
You think that is just all find and dandy? There's other examples listed above, too.

But, as far as what I said, I suppose it's alright if it goes the Homefront way.

Neko_Mega2265d ago

If that is the case you should have brought it or check to see if a store that has it for rent has the pass in the case.

Other then that, you can deal with it.