With the announcement of the PSN Pass, many gamers are asking themselves “Could this be the end for the pre-owned video game market?”
This gen is mostly online oriented so i can see a decrease of some sort.
Damn. I hate that PSN Pass. It's all about $$ nowadays with Sony. That means now on buy second hand games from friends or some other gamer. I have to pay extra again to play online? That is a stupid idea. Its like i buy an audio cd from a friend and have to pay extra again to listen the song from my pc audio player?
a better interpretation would be buy an audio CD and only get to listen to half of the songs :) Its not that bad.. buy it new or buy it pre owned and pay for the online pass.. if buyinbg it preowned and buying the online pass works out cheaper youve still saved some money so its not all bad :)
What is stupid about wanting to get paid when your game is sold. Unless game stores are willing to give them some of the profit then there is no other option for them. In the end it is good for gamers as the devs will be able to get more money and make games better, faster, and be able to survive. How many studios have shut down in the last few years?
Does this affect online co-op??
I rely on selling on my finished games to buy myself a new one, either through trade shops or ebay. If I can no longer recoup my money I will have to be very tight on what games I choose to buy. No more taking a punt on a new title, or buying something just to see what it's like... Instead I'll buy the odd 1 or 2 games that I know will keep me entertained for long periods of time, which lets face it, excludes a great deal of the 8 hour affairs that games tend to be nowadays. At the end of the day developers will be getting less money from me as a result.
from my point of view i just hope it brings the preowned prices down
...and puts Gamestop out of business. I'm all for paying the actual developers and not some slimy middle man. The online pass will at least give developers some of the money they deserve for creating the product. I think they should give people a one day trial though. That way they could potentially get people renting or trading to purchase it. As long as the amount isn't ridiculous (hopefully between $5-$10) then it should be okay. People can still save money by waiting a couple months and buying new.
Glad to see you are rooting for thousands of people to lose their job. My second job is working for a used game store (not GameStop) and I don't understand why people wish for used game stores to go out of business. Sure the pay is not great, but in this economy, you take what you get. Pawn shops and online auction sites would just pick up the business anyways, you can't get rid of it. Since you look at me as a "slimy middle man" I assume you buy all your DVDs new, all your Cars New, All your computers, furniture, televisions, and your house new, and I also assume you have never had to sell or pawn anything to make a house payment or pay a hospital bill. If you can manage that, I want to get paid what you do, because it would bankrupt me.
Worst news ever, more and more games using online access these days. Better for developers, pretty bad for gamestores and end-users. 'Excuse me, I just bought this pre-owned game and it doesn't work online...'
Better for developers also means better for the end-users in the long run. Games don't just magically pop out of nowhere. They have to be created using tons of time and money. There are articles about studios being closed down quite frequently these days. All of these are games we could have gotten, but don't. The easier (economically) it is to be a dev, the more games we'll get overall. Think of it like taxes. The taxes you pay don't just disappear, they come back to you in one way or another. It's not a coincidence that the countries with the highest taxes are also the best countries to live in. Buying used is like giving your tax money to a middleman who you think is going to pay it for you, but instead he just takes the money for himself. That money is not going to come back to you.
@Sprud. I think you just bump you're head a bit too hard or are you drunk? Cause what you write there is RIDICULOUS STUPID like Communist!
blackbeld, Just tell me what in my post you believe is inaccurate. Including an explanation of why obviously. I'm not holding my breath that you can :)
'Think of it like taxes. The taxes you pay don't just disappear, they come back to you in one way or another. It's not a coincidence that the countries with the highest taxes are also the best countries to live in.' That is so stupid. And are you happy to pay tax? Why should I pay (help) for those lazy @sses that would not want to get a job?
It's pretty narrowminded to believe that taxes are only used to help the unemployed. That's just a very tiny fraction. I don't expect everyone to understand macroeconomics, but it you don't - then don't pretend you do. And yes, I'm quite happy with paying 42% income tax knowing that it makes my country one of the best to live in. And with what's left I can buy at least one new game a week without any problems. And that's without ever trading anything in.
When did I tell that about macro economics? I am a gamer! Narrow minded? Tiny friction? That is you're point off view. If you are more openminded then you will understand. I guess you're living in Europe then you are already brain washed what they tell you in the media. Wake up dude.
damn Sprud, they got you man. ignorance is bliss they say.
Well no its not the end just yet as you've still got the current pre-owned games and they aren't just going to go to waste. Plus, PSN Pass is probably going to be able to be bought on the PSN store, just like EA Passes.
Sure, but that's going to cut into pre-owned seller's profit margins by a lot. Which will eventually kill most if not all of them.
Perhaps gamestores could bundle in PSN passes with pre-owned games. Guess it will come down to how much they cost to begin with. :/
Fine if you only play old games
Why would this make any difference to the buyer... what will happen now is the Seller will need to drop they're price by $10.. Gamestop won't be able to get there 100% mark up but I think they'll survive with a 70% mark up
If you can't buy a pass, then you're out of luck if you want to play a game online. This is forcing those who want the online features to buy new.
This news has probably given people like Activision's Bobby Kotick a raging hard-on! Time to get it in place before MW3 is released so they can rape and pilage the masses.
I just had an idea. So when I finish with my game I'll chuck it into landfill, hold on a minute I thought recycling was good! Perhaps I'll send my used copy back to the publisher so that they can recycle it properly :D I do understand the concerns of developers which is why they should talk to their retailers and strike a deal!
I have two ps3's and me and my girlfriend usually play games on both. They need to make it so that any account the system is on the pass works for all users.
I agree, the pass should work for ALL users on a single console.
I live in a house with a handful of other college guys, each with a PS3 or Xbox, it's already pretty ridiculous that we always need to play certain games in certain rooms.
Sooner or later the developers will hit the weak spot that really hurts used game sales. And in the process of doing that they will see a huge hit in their own new game sales. Thus proving they are being stupid and greedy.
Google 2011 video games studio closing and tell everyone that used game sales aren't harming the industry. When development cost are reaching titanic proportions and studio are hemorrhaging money and employees publishers must do what they can to recoup development cost. Video games do not have the luxury of say the movie industry, where if a movie flops at the theater they can find massive success on home video DVD and Blu-Ray. If a games doesn't find an audience it's first time around it is considered a failure and studios close and people lose their jobs. I don't think stupid or greedy is the right words for survival instinct.
Umm a movie that sucks....sucks. It doesn't make money either way. A decent to good movie will do fine. Same theory goes for video games.... A lot of the studios that closed made a couple absolutely HORRIBLE video games...others just ran into issues like any company in a growing market. Tell me why the movie industry has absolutely no issues with rentals...more people rent movies than buy them. Why isn't it a problem? They know how to do business and work out deals. yes renting video games falls under this "used game" area. I'm not saying the industry shouldn't do something about used game sales. im saying what they are doing is WRONG and they should find a new solution. Instead they rather chant "Yay lets punish all used game buyers! They are the absolute devil! Lets categorize them with pirating and blame all our problems on them!"
The movie industry does not have a problem with rentals because the rental chains pay for rental licenses. You can't really compare the rental market with the used games market.
yea Sony or the developers should foot the bill for the maintenance of the servers without seeing a dime from a used game buyer. I am sorry they are a business not a charity. I used to buy the games on ebay a while ago but the more I got educated over how this works I stopped. I would rather wait a year and buy the game new for much less on amazon than buy it used and ripping off the people that made it. I ain't rich so I choose to buy onle certain games that I really like day one the rest I just wait. An analogy would be 1 million sold but 2 million using the server. If you are going to use the servers to play online after buying the game used then you gotta pay the piper. they would rather have 1.1 millions that paid for the game new use their servers than 2 million people using their servers because half of them got it for a cheap price. on a side note I hate people that buy a preowned game for $5 less the day after the game releases. Gamestop is freakin ripping developers off by doing that shit. How the hell do you have pre owned copies the day after release. new game is 59.99 pre owned game 54.99. yea let me be cheap and save me the extra 5$ and make sure not even a dime goes to the developer!!!
The server maintenance was already paid for with the initial purchase though. Multiple people may purchase and re-sell the same game, but only one person is accessing the servers at a time. No other industry makes money off the used market. I don't think the games industry should be any different. Don't get me wrong though. I believe in supporting the developers by buying new. I always buy my games new. I understand that the used game market cuts into developer profits, but that is no reason to remove consumer choice. I think the better solution is to encourage people to keep their games. I also think that most of the problem with the used game market stems from retailers like GameStop pushing used games over new games, and offering more shelf space for used than new. Perhaps the publishers should focus on that problem instead of attacking the consumers.
meh, i never buy used or trade in games its a waste either way, and if people stopped trying to be so greedy and screw everyone out of there money this wouldn't be happening people take advantage of return policies all the time because and it hurts the store when that happens i find it fair that someone gets restricted to what they can do if the decide to take the cheap route, if they forced us to buy an online pass on top of the new price that would be complete bull....but they don't
I think people who want to sell used games will now end up not playing online, so they can sell the game with an unused pass. So i am not sure if this online pass thing will work...
i did this with dirt 3 really sad:(
That's absurd. To buy an online game and play it offline because you know that you're going to sell it? How broke can someone be?
Not all gamers are created equal. Most people play what they can.
as long as its only online stuff I dont think people will care to much
I haven't read much about this, how does it effect redbox or gamefly and the like?
I just rented Mortal Kombat from Gamefly, I could not play online since I did not purchase the game new with a "Kombat Pass".
Same deal. Unlike movies there isn't a special "rental" disc given to these places. So you still have to pay the 10 to 15 dollars to get online if you simply rent the game.
all games need to have is a price range. C'mon why should i pay $60 for some alice from hell game? $50 for a harry potter game? No! Thats some BS also, games now of days take to long to drop in price look at CoD4 it became a greatist/platinum hit i believe late last year or early this year. MW2 is still priced at $50 new! new wtf?! Some publishers request price drops early like Bayonetta, AAA game, so much fun, action everywhere, released for $60 in jan '10 and hit $20 in July '10. Most games only drop $10 on those months.
very well said tre
So in retrospect PSN isnt free anymore.... If you just buy prepaid games that is...
that's what i've been thinking - i don't want to hear a sony exec talk about their "free" online service ever again - because it'd be a bunch of bs.....between psplus and these passes - xbox live is lookinig like a pretty good deal. what's next for sony? they going to find a way to charge people (who buy used ps3s) a fee to turn on the preowned console?
For now I'd agree with you, until Microsoft does the same thing in a few months. No way they sit on an additional revenue stream for long.
I hope so! :) Thank's God I live in EU, and the UK sites for gaming make me possible to buy NEW GAMES for 15€, 20€, delivery included. So I hope used market'll be out in relatively soon. I hate this kind of speculation.
It's all about the $$$$ and these companies are so stupid. $60 for one game, in this economy, is god damn ridiculous. There are to ways to this: 1. Keep the price at $60, and sell less games. 2. Lower the price to $40-45, sell more games.
Games were released at $29.99 in 1986. Factoring in inflation that would be $61.83 today. So games are actually $1.84 cheaper than they were two and a half decades ago.
Just saying, they wanna kill the used market. Set it at $40 and they are set. Just noticed I spelled two without the "w".
Talk about shooting yourself in the balls. I bet the console market drops 25% in game sales.
Pros and Cons to Onlines Passes Pros: Publisher gets more money ... ... Cons: No Online when renting No Online when borrowing No Online when purchasing second-hand No Online for friends when lending Pay Extra for Online if purchased second hand/borrowed/rented Harder to sell if you have used the code
Does that mean no online co-op too??
yup, no online co-op either, no multipllayer of any form
Want to pay less - stay offline, those retailers are like hungry dogs... selling copies few times, and devs ? they need to pay for servers, addons, dev support - patches, im thinking how it will be, psn pass for cash on psstore? maybe... but more important how it will be with trophies - will they synchronize :) ? or it is just about online play... Retailers... has big pockets full of cash, no wonder Sony and devs are angry and jelous, they do all the dirty work... even half a year after premiere... look at Demons Souls... how long servers are online... Do you really think that is for free? or it runs on IT managers laptop? All gamers need to do is more thinking and be more "certain" about purchase... nothing more and if you really want pre owned... no problem two clicks on PSStore and you have online, some ppl dont want online just single player experience... they will be happy...
No, no and no.
i knew this was bound to happen.... 5 years ago i could only remember gamestop/ebgames and hollywood video, having such large trade in departments, when gamestop revealed to the world that it made hundreds of millions of the used game market, every other retailer wanted in on it. now amazon, bestbuy, toysrus, walmart, have massive trade in departments developers arent seeing any money from, who didnt really expect them to react. whats even funnier is that Amazon sales brand new copies of games at the same price and sometimes lower than gamestops preowned price...... Portal 2, Mortal Kombat, Crysis 2 and even the recently released Fear 3 are allsame priced or cheaper than the preowned copies at gamestop, bestbuy, and even the preowned copies sold on amazon
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