There will be no ghillie suits on the snipers in Battlefield 3, and now the recon class will have more tools than ever.
I hope they don't make the snipers too powerful.
I hope they don't make them too weak. Sniping has always been an important part of Battlefield gameplay, and it must stay that way. The problem is that people abuse its effectiveness and just use it to rack up kills without helping their team out. But the way to overcome this must be to make playing as a team more rewarding, because if you criple the sniper rifle's power then your just removing it completely from the game, and there are many ways to use the sniper class which greatly helps out your team.
BRING IT ONNNNNNNNN !!!!! .... Release the game already DICE. Commmmonnnnnnnn .... :p
I hope they don't make them too weak. Sniping is fine in BFBC2. You guys are complaining way too much. Of course it sucks to get killed with a sniper, but that's what a long range rifle does. It's not like it's a 1 shot. It's only 1 shot kill if you get a headshot or have Magnum bullets and get a shot off above the waist.
well i for one will NOT help my retarded team. I bought the game NEW (apparently not like many here) so i will enjoy it how i please. I will snipe you, snipe you some more, and maybe some more. All while you're defending your base in RUSH. The suit is stupid anyways, im not a full camper . I walk around with the sniper and kill while standing. Hopefully you dont need to crouch for better accuracy because that only encourages camping.
snipers have never been an important part of Bf games. They are pretty non existant in bf2 and 1942. It wasnt until bc2 that almost everyone uses them.
"The problem is that people abuse its effectiveness" Which makes for his case that it is overpowered. If they tone down the class just a bit forcing them to move into a closer proximity wouldn't that balance out the issues?
I think a good idea would be to allow your team to "vote" in-game on snipers. If you are doing a team based thing and the guy is helping you out with cover fire, great. IF he's just running around being a douche as you lose then hit "start" and vote. If he gets "xx" votes then when he dies the class will not be open to him for the rest of the match. Or, even better, go the Rainbow 6 route and have a kick feature. God, I loved being a host in Vegas and being able to boot people who were acting like retards.
Even so they should put a limit on the amount of snipers in a team. Because you might just end up fighting an army of snipers.
As much as I hate an army of snipers on the other team and or my team, Dice can't just make some asshole decision that would screw people out of playing what class THEY want to play. They did PAY for the game, therefore they have the right to play it how they please.
I don't really have a problem dealing with snipers but they do get annoying when they are on my team and are not working towards the objective. That said, maybe taking a page out of team fortress 2 and limiting the amount players that can be a certain class at any given time (in this case the recon class) is a possible solution?
Aww...no ghillie suits for recons?? That's kind of sad. :( I always found it funny/a bit hilarious the way snipers look when they are running. They are somehow like fat little guys having a hard time dashing. The same goes for certain other classes. For example, the Russian medic and his red hat, NEVER SMILES! Even if he's winning. The US medic on the other hand looks like he's having a good time. His facial expression just shows that he doesn't give a crap. "There you go here's your first aid kit!" at the same time lighting up enemies with a machine gun without a care in the world!
They better not make they damn class like that 'other' game where you only get to snipe down the halls and stupid houses, etc. Sniper rifles are made for extreme long range.. why is it that people always talk bad about snipers? I realize that there are MANY players out there that DO NOT help the team move forward. At least, when I play as a sniper I LOVE to call out the enemies. I'm not in it for the kills/points, I'm in it because I'm [fairly] good at it* and it works when I protect the 'package'. I love to play as a spotter, and keep my teammates aware of their surroundings as well as facilitating the enemy's position to a fellow sniper. I've always said that I rather finish a round with ZERO kills knowing that I helped my team achieve our victory, than getting 'x' amount of kills and points/xp and losing the battle. That's just my opinion. *I don't mean to tout my own horn(?) Excuse my english
Curious what new tools there will be for the snipers and the recon class. Can't think of anything they can add at the moment.
One of the new abilities Recons will have is the ability to unroot small plants/bushes and hold them while moving. This allows the Recon to move around stealthily (a make-shift ghilly suit) but limits their weapon choices to one-handed guns (handguns) ... Damn it, I started this post out as a joke, but now I really wish it was in the game. =(
haha you asshole i thought it was forreal
@Ascalon94 Wowww xD
BUT I LOVE MY GHILLIE SUIT D: DAMN YOU BLACK OPS, YOU RUINED IT FOR EVERYONE!
loved it when i sniped in battlefield bad company 2 with my GOL 12x scope, cant wait for this.
That's my setup right there xD
No Ghillie's say it aint so D= Oh Well, that'll make em much easier to spot and kill >=D
That might be the point, since you can go prone in BF3. I think it might just be too much to have camouflage and prone at the same time.
Yeah. On top of that they also shoot bullets at you so lets go ahead and take away their ammo. Actually, lets get rid of the scope on all of the snipers too.
I believe the amount of trees, shadows, prone, windows, and other points in BF3 will be more than enough to require any type of ghillie suit. I am certain DICE would do this unless there was some certainty.
@Cereal Agreed! Ps: shh don't give them any ideas :( :P
They could make it more accurate if you shoot while standing. That is unrealistic but it sounds balanced to me (on paper).
You do get an advantage while standing, mobility. Sometimes especially on consoles moving the actual gun can cause you to to overshoot where you need to be pointing at, so instead you just move your body slightly keeping the crosshairs in the same spot allowing you to more perfectly line up a shot. If you're prone, you can't do that as fast, feasibly you could turn down your sensitivity for more control, but that also leaves you more vulnerable if you're just running around or using a different weapon. Plus, if my understanding is correct, in BF3, you can't just go from prone to a full sprint like you can in cod, your character actually has to get up first and then build up speed to a sprint, so if you get shot from long range and it doesn't kill you, you'll likely be shot again before you can break into a sprint to escape. At least that makes sense to me. Overall, it's not a decision I'm thrilled about, but it seems like it'll make sense in the long run. Besides, BF3 is centered on Urban Warfare, so a Ghillie wouldn't do you much good anyway.
Sniping in Bad Company is piss poor and it just encourages close range sniping, out it back to the way it was in BF2, that was the best. Scope sway is a nice addition though.
NO ghillie suits? the fuck is this shit.
Good move DICE, there's no sense in having ghillie suites in urban environments.
Tell that to marines and other service personnel.
Ha hah ha.....yeh right! I'm a PC Gamer....and you can bet your ass there will be a MOD for that.....well at least for the Private Servers anyway. Gotta have my Wookie suit!
I want claymores for snipers lol. Atleast 1-2 so i can plant them to cover my back so no sneaky runt can take my tag while i "camp it up" as you guys would call a sniper. Haha
Listen to all you sniping pussies. Go PLAY COD. Campers. You ruin the game. Remember, it's a team game. Snipers rarely help. I'm always the one down in the trenches while you pussies are donating tags. GTFO!!!
And yet without the snipers there would be even more enemies on their way to those trenches that you are in... There is a reason why the Sniper class is called Recon ya know. They are meant to spot and mark enemy forces to better help you know where those enemies are. BC2 in theory is great. If anything, they should give Recon class more points for spotting and marking, as opposed to the same amount as a frontline class.
I always thought their should be a class limit per team/squad. I don't mind people sniping at all, but when you're on and in a squad and everyone else is sniping, it's pointless. Especially when you join the game and your team is losing greatly. I think it may piss a lot of players off, but a class limit would probably force the game into a more balanced approach. I know, the downside is not being able to play the class you want to play when you want to play it. It's a double edged sword.
@JeffGUNZ They used to do that in Counter Strike. They would limit a team to only 1 or 2 AWPs (in case you don't know, it's the one shot sniper rifle) and they would remove the Auto snipers completely. It actually balanced the game quite a bit, but that was all a server side thing. Valve had nothing to do with it. I wouldn't doubt if there will be some PC BF3 servers with the same type of feature. Maybe even if they made only 1 sniper per squad that might even help.
If thats the case when you fire more than 2 shots from the same area you should be auto marked for everyone to see.
Lets hope ghillie suits wont be dlc now..
what they are doing is making the sniper a dmr which is the correct position for this game. dmrs do not use ghillie suits because they are on the move with their SQUAD. snipers camp in one spot for long periods of time that is why they need the suits.
Yup, agree 100%. I am so looking forward to BF3, all these changes should make for an unrivaled multiplayer gaming experience.
wtf. what kind of professional marine sniper doesnt have those suits
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