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Sony quietly tests PlayStation Network revamp

The latest rumour on the grape vine is that Sony are now testing a brand new design for the PlayStation Store.

Reg Hardware reports that it will share some similarities to Xbox Live and Steam.

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THC CELL2635d ago

Hope its not like Xbox live its too slow navigating the menu's Ps dashboard and psn is fine the way it is

sinncross2635d ago

Well if it improves the PS Store experience then I do not mind tbqh

GrieverSoul2635d ago

I honestly dont like the way the store items are clustered in there but the XMB is just awesome. It works! All is categorized and easy to acess. The Xbox interface is a little confusing to acess. To do simple things as erasing a game from the disc, you have to go to a memory menu to acess it. Why cant I erase the game directly from the My Games section?? Beats me.

The XMB should just get a face lift but maintain its left and right, up and down funtionality.

jaosobno2634d ago (Edited 2634d ago )

I'd like a complete overhaul of XMB (something prettier and less minimalistic) and hope they change the store completely!

Layout sucks. Classifications are laughable: Shooters, first person shooters, shooting games - WTF?!?!

Confusing, takes too much time to find what you are looking for.

Hope that rumor is true.

WhittO2634d ago

Would love a re-design/refresh of the PSN Friends List/Profiles more than the store though.

You are only in the store for what...10-15 mins max? I'm always in my friends list talking/sending invites/comparing trophies etc.
THAT is what they should be focussing on, that and a new and improved in-game XMB!

The Great Melon2634d ago

The quality of the PSN store varies from region to region. The US store for me is organized pretty well and there is an alphabetical list if that fails. Some regions however are a mess. I gave up looking for something before in the Hong Kong or UK store before.

blumatt2634d ago (Edited 2634d ago )

I wish Sony would bring that Trophy Hall of Fame to PlayStation Home like they talked about a long time ago. Home has so much potential. I'm hoping that either on the PS3 or PS4 they'll integrate it much more into the XMB (or whatever interface the have at the time).

I'm hoping that on the PS4, Home will BE the interface. I'm sure it'll have enough RAM for it to work. You turn the PS4 on and you wake up in your Home apartment or Home Space. Then you can hit a button and bring up the XMB or you can invite friends into your Home Space to play games on your Home television. lol It sounds crazy but it would be awesome to me!!

Pixel_Enemy2634d ago

I hate that the xbox dashboard is LITTERED with ADS. You have to sift through ads to get to content. I don't care for it.

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Gray-Fox-Type02634d ago

All is fine but i really hope some new useful features are added its been a very long time since any last major firmware update..

liore2634d ago

They always bring out a major update around december

gamingdroid2634d ago

PSN is far too clunky to use and overall the interface is too confusing with too many options. Good interfaces, usually have a specific set of things to do and a expected results that conform to standard UI behavior.

An example of bad design is having drop down boxes for security question (during signup) that the text are too long for the box so you can't read it. Only when you highlight the question from the drop down is it scrolling from side to side so you can see it i.e. you can't see until you select it!

I think a major update is long overdue and look forward to it.

theonlylolking2634d ago

The PS3 XMB goes left,right then up,down while the current xbox dashboard goes up,down then left right.

Too_many_games2634d ago

and if you are playing a game and want to check out the trophies, you should not have to wait for the XMB to load every single game you have played with trophies.

HxCGamer2634d ago

ha @theonlylolking

you are absolutely right, I've never thought about it!

they are both good! a complete remake is ridiculous

XMB is simple, yes there are a lot of options, but non of these options are necessary for someone to watch a movie or play a game.

egidem2634d ago

The PS3 XMB is a fine interface and one thing I love about it is its speed of access. I can jump into menus and sub-menus pretty fast. The Xbox dashboard is a bit slower due to the small animations here and there.

The thing they have to work on is the IN GAME XMB. It is absolutely sluggish. Things like accessing/replying messages shouldn't be a hassle. The interface has far too many options that are not necessary. It could be regrouped and made much smaller to improve loading speed.

I would also love it if you could always exit from the menus/sub-menus, regardless of location, with one single push of a button. It takes way too many button presses and confirmation boxes to just exit a message reply.

Some simple features are also annoying. For example, if I'm reading someone's message (during a game) and I want to read the next message. Clicking the back button doesn't take you back to the messages list, it takes you back outside the inbox, right on the XMB and this can get annoying especially when you have to wait for every sequence to load.

As for the store, what if I wanted to immediately launch a game that was on the disc WITHOUT having to exit the store to go back to the XMB? Wouldn't that be useful?

MaxXAttaxX2634d ago

Are you serious?
The XMB is simple and organized.

I find it extremely difficult to believe that anyone honestly is confused.
Everything is easy to find if you've had your hands on a PS3 for more than a day.

gamingdroid2634d ago (Edited 2634d ago )

As I said, the basic design of XMB is good, but Sony fudged it up by cluttering it and adding awkward behavior.

I already gave you one example of why it was akward, but I could go on listing it (some are functional and others are UI related):

- once you login to the system, you have to login again into PSN Network
- if you aren't logged in, you don't see your friends at all! Like as if they don't exist. You have to know to log in again... some users might not realize you have to login to see your friends.
- If you have background downloaded items, you can't cancel them in the Network -> Download Management (at least not that I can find), not to mention Network isn't very descriptive of a download.
- PSN Store has like tiny little icons that are hard to read, and the navigation changes a little depending on the page.
- There is a dot to indicate a user is logged in, which isn't very obvious or noticeable. To logout, you have to select the same user.
- Want to shut down the system? The interface automatically selects finish background download before shutdown, instead of confirming shutdown.

I could go on, but there are mostly little things like that littered all over the place that hampers ease of use and is awkward.

Now if you use the system a lot, you won't notice it as you simply gotten used to, but put a novice user there and the glaring problems will show.

That said, I do think the XMB interface looks good and makes the PS3 look very luxurious and sophisticated.

dragonyght2634d ago (Edited 2634d ago )

@gamingdroid lol its sound like you are trolling m8

"once you login to the system, you have to login again into PSN Network
- if you aren't logged in, you don't see your friends at all! Like as if they don't exist. You have to know to log in again... some users might not realize you have to login to see your friends."

- when you turn on your PS3 it automatically login to PSN of your default user account. now if you switch to your other user account it will not automatically sign you in. so you have to do it manually which only take you 3-5 sec and im pretty sure every body knows that if you not connected online you will not see you friend list ¬_¬

"If you have background downloaded items, you can't cancel them in the Network -> Download Management (at least not that I can find), not to mention Network isn't very descriptive of a download."

- yes you can hit triangle you get to option to status(description of DL), pause and cancel

"PSN Store has like tiny little icons that are hard to read, and the navigation changes a little depending on the page."

-hit square to change the icon from small to xlarge (if you look at the bottom it tell you so)

"There is a dot to indicate a user is logged in, which isn't very obvious or noticeable. To logout, you have to select the same user."

- lol if its your system im pretty sure you would know your default account as for logout it will automatically logging you out if chose any other user (-_-)

"Want to shut down the system? The interface automatically selects finish background download before shutdown, instead of confirming shutdown."

- lol seriously you complaining about this ( ")...(" ) you what im not bother about this anymore

MaxXAttaxX2634d ago

Yes to everything you said.

Some people just looks for issues that do not exist.

gamingdroid2633d ago

If you understand UI, you would know it is the little things that ruins it for the user.

Why is that iPhone which is very similar to Android phones, are still considered a much user friendly platform? They both do the same things. It is in the attention to detail and the conditioning of the user to expect a certain result from certain actions.

It's pointless to talk to people that are oblivious to interfaces or don't want to admit the problems when it is pretty glaring.

MaxXAttaxX2633d ago (Edited 2633d ago )

We don't have to understand UI in a pro level to know that all of your previous points were just proven wrong.

- You turn on the system. Automatically signs you in to your default account.
- 'Triangle' is your default button for options in the XMB. Everyone knows this. You can cancel or pause any download this way.
- Hit 'square' button and you can change the PS Store icons to much larger sizes.
- You don't have to manually log out of your account to enter another one. It's automatic.
- I bet if the PS3 didn't ask you about finishing your download, you'd bitch about it too, LOL.

It's simple and organized, yet it's confusing to you?
Too many options? If it didn't give you enough options that be a cause for complaint too, I'm sure.

So like I said, every one of your points(complains) were totally proven wrong. You can word things any way you want. It doesn't make them any worse than what they are in reality.
What problem is there to admit??? Now it's a matter of us common gamers not understanding UI in a different way?
GTFO.

gamingdroid2633d ago

It sounds more like you want to trivialize it when it really is an issue from a users point. That's the thing, your very comment assumes users know what the standard user interface for PS3 is without informing them.

As I said, the very subtle differences, makes a huge difference in user experience.

Also, your information is incorrect. Depending on how your system is setup, you do have to login manually (mine does that out of the box).

Maybe you are just butthurt that I'm saying something negative about your favorite company? If it makes you feel better, I would be happy to criticize any of the other two competitors. ;)

MaxXAttaxX2633d ago (Edited 2633d ago )

The first time you sign in will obviously be manual. You could easily check the box to make it automatic. Or is that too hard?

You sound like you want the system to have done everything for you out of the box. Stop playing devil's advocate for idiots who need everything spoon-fed.

That fact that you didn't take your time with the system to know there're such things as a 'square' and 'triangle' buttons is your own stupidity. A 7 year-old who's spent more than a day with the system realizes this and will probably laugh at you for having such a hard time figuring out how to get around you're own system.

I'm baffled at how you were able to find the keys on your keyboard. Maybe it should have a lot less keys so you don't get confused and use a simpler T9 system so that words come up automatically for you LOL.

Besides, how am I butthurt?
All I'm saying is that all negative points you brought up were proven wrong.
It could be a lot more neat and prettier like other more popular UIs. But I fail to see any REAL problems.

ShinMaster2633d ago

PS3's XMB is pretty bare bones and simple.
And I still know where everything is because it's organized too.

It isn't hard. But if you're really having trouble getting around the XMB then you have no business using a PS3 or any computer for that matter.
All I thought to myself when reading your complaints was "Really? lol".

gamingdroid2632d ago (Edited 2632d ago )

Because I'm pointing out issues doesn't mean I personally have problems with the interface.

As I said numerous times, it is not about if YOU or anyone else you think don't have issues with it. Because a graphics designer can figure their way around Photoshop doesn't mean the general public can or should have to.

UI that are hiding fields/text, going against convention without explicit benefit and in some instances not specifying what buttons to press is the hallmark of bad implementation.

If you do any UI work at all, you would know that and if you don't, and do not stick your head in the sand, then you would realize those simple concept.

"You sound like you want the system to have done everything for you out of the box. Stop playing devil's advocate for idiots who need everything spoon-fed."

That is how things should be built, as simple as possible yet with lots of flexibility. That is the hallmark of good UI design.

Like it or not, that is the way it is!

"Maybe it should have a lot less keys so you don't get confused and use a simpler T9 system so that words come up automatically for you LOL."

mrmm? That is the way it should be, and how computers have evolved too. Predictive text is very useful and even PSN has it albeit implemented against the norm on the side.

MaxXAttaxX2632d ago (Edited 2632d ago )

If someone's honestly having trouble, then they need some help. The XMB is simple as it is and isn't an issue for the average gamer.
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@gamingdroid bellow:

The XMB is still quite simple. The PS3 is not a portable/mobile device like the iPhone. It's not meant to be "pick up and go".

Sony is already doing that with a new interface for the PSVita. And we'll more than likely see something like it for the next system(PS4).
Not everyone uses the PS3 with such a critical mind like you. Just play the damn games.

gamingdroid2632d ago

"If someone's honestly having trouble, then they need some help. The XMB is simple as it is and isn't an issue for the average gamer."

That is your entire argument this entire conversation, and honestly, it might seem like I'm picking on XMB, but it is the little things that make a huge difference to the users. Ease of use isn't measured by how comfortable you are with it, it is how fast somebody new can pick it up and go with it.

The same principles applies to game input choices.

gamingdroid2632d ago (Edited 2632d ago )

***The XMB is still quite simple.***

The XMB itself is an excellent design albeit not original, as it has existed in many forms on other systems, most notably Windows Media Center. It is what Sony did to the initial design that screwed it up.

***The PS3 is not a portable/mobile device like the iPhone. It's not meant to be "pick up and go".***

Any consumer device is intended to be pick up and go. That's at the core of consumer device, it is made for anyone to use with no training needed. It's not like it is a computer.

***Sony is already doing that with a new interface for the PSVita. And we'll more than likely see something like it for the next system(PS4).***

I hope so, but I don't think a new system is needed to revamp the interface. I think the developers just need a lot of usability testing, and clear guidelines with pre-defined expected behavior for developers to work on. I suspect the reason it is like it is, was because of the pressure to get PSN up and running to compete with Xbox Live. It is no trivial task to compete without someone that is 3-5 years ahead of you.

Sony is also not a software company so they don't have the sort of technical experience with usability. However, their hardware is unmatched which is their specialty.

Imagine a PS-Xbox hybrid console? I would imagine it would be pretty good, but one less competitor, probably not so good....

***Not everyone uses the PS3 with such a critical mind like you.***

That's fine, but if they are not critical it is even worse. The consumer will only see frustration at why the user cannot figure out this supposed very simple device. Ever handed the remote to your grandmother?

***Just play the damn games.***

Like wise to you! ;p

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Rageanitus2634d ago

I prefer the XMB over 360 interface..... Its much more intuitive and you can fit expose alot more features with button pushes...

But I do admit the xbox interface allows advertising to be exposed easier..... which imo s not so good for just the gamer....

Sorry to say this but you know the designers of xbox interface were confused.... why you can access the same options from main navigation pane vs the "other" menu page with by pushing the xbox button.. Why did they do that I dont know.

egidem2634d ago

Because the "other" menu houses options that are NOT available on the dashboard. Things like turning off the Xbox 360 can only be found on this "other" menu that floats above the dashboard when you push the guide button.

They also did this so that this menu would always be available and immediately accessible regardless of what program you are running. They were right because it clearly works. You can launch a game that is in the drive, access the market place and other stuff without the need of going to the dashboard.

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subtenko2634d ago

More community features. The rate option is nice, a comment feature would be cool B-)oh and video reviews, and more previews of the game/ game contents.

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Nate-Dog2635d ago

Just fix the darn in-game XMB and stop it from loading up every single column even though only about 2 can be used while in a game. That's the only thing that annoys me about the PS3 and it's not like it's a massive thing to fix.

Why o why2635d ago

true, streamlining would help.

NewMonday2634d ago

only thing that works in the in-game XMB is the friends column

r212634d ago

post your idea on ps blog share thingamajig

Rage_S902634d ago

This idea has been there for ages...

Tr3y_4_Li432635d ago

PS Store is ok design. Better change XMB design. -_-

Kee2635d ago

I just wish they'd make the in-game xmb load faster. Trying to read a message from a friend can sometimes take about a minute.

Then i find out that the message just says "OK" and then I'm really pissed, but I digress.

And yes, I agree the PS store is fine, I'd just like a revamp of the xmb in ways that make sense or even let us customise the order of the xmb menus ourselves, that'd be neat.

Graphics2634d ago

Yea I would like the xmb to at least look fun when its turned on. Thing is so boring. Cheap graphics cheap everything. I have to keep constantly changing themes just to make it look different because the XMB is really boring to look at.

MASTER_RAIDEN2634d ago

completely agree. i hate to seem like a sucker for the small stuff, but the biggest problem i have with the ps3 is the fact that the UI is incredibly boring and limited. even the smallest animations on there are kind of ugly. the entire UI is gray.. any text that pops up on screen just looks so cheap and awkward. like when you first paid 300 bucks for a brand new xbox you were greeted with a UI that was fun and had a lot of care put into it.the xmb on the other hand is so dry and basic that if i bought my first ps3 nowadays,id be pretty shocked that such an expensive machine was so extraordinary in terms of the love and care they put into the UI.

nickjkl2634d ago

ill just be over here with my custom themes that i can make

aaronisbla2634d ago

Wasn't aware that the XMB was suppose to 'look fun' what ever the hell that means. if it does its job, why the hell would it matter? fix the sluggish in game xmb and be done with it.

quiddd2634d ago

Is it discouraging that people who find it "far too text heavy" are in other words saying "I don't want to read."?