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Cloud gaming may define the end of PS3, Xbox 360 and Wiis

SIR Games: "Now all you need to do is sign in, no matter where you are, what you are on, and everything will be literally at the reach of your fingertips"

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liveActionLeveler1765d ago

Not everyone can experience this lag free just yet. A lot of peoples' internet connections aren't fast enough yet. Plus I don't give a shit about digital cloud gaming, sounds like some weak shit, "cloud." I just want my game box next to the tv.

Joni-Ice1765d ago

I dont think cloud gaming will replace consoles. Its something about having the the actual game at hand I enjoy the most.

StbI9901765d ago (Edited 1765d ago )

Netfilix > any other movie media...

A videogaming netfilix?...very welcome

Whether of having the physical copy doesn't matter for the masses but a niche amount of people, in 10 years having said physical copy wasted up, while a digital's can be there for the rest of ur life as the system is up to provide such.

Digital > Physical.

Internet speed? matter of time i believe, i would prefer a steam though.

RankFTW1765d ago

I'll have proper dedicated hardware over this junk any day.

gamingdroid1765d ago (Edited 1765d ago )

I do agree that digital download/streaming will soon surpass physical format.

That said, gaming has an entirely different set of problems. Services like OnLive has a major obstacle. Consider:

a) a good network has about 50ms round trip for packets. In comparison a game can have as low as 67ms response time i.e. 60fps or 133ms for 30fps.

b) processing the screen to video and sending it is additional time

c) what happens when the service no longer wants to support a game (alas, OnLive plans to support a game for 3-years)

and those are just some of the problems.

Now there is a way around this that would make it possible, but would require the game development to change significantly. It might be possible next generation....

MaxXAttaxX1765d ago

Having the actual physical game feels a lot better.

With new tech, response time will be even less of a problem.

KMCROC1765d ago (Edited 1765d ago )

Sounds cool & all but till my Internet service provider can promise uninterrupted service & the necessary speeds , will continue to own a console & games.

Inside_out1765d ago (Edited 1765d ago )

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Activision could make their own " cloud " system like On live, with there own COD franchise and COD elite set up. Bye Bye XBL and PSN or steam. With the sales that Activision has for COD and World of warcraft...why do they need anybody else. EA is tracking towards the same thing...it's the future.

Imagine how much money M$ and Sony would lose from customers like Activision and EA. Remember when Activision threatening to not pay Sony the BILLION they give them in royalties unless they dropped the price of the PS3...lol...you can believe they did and did it fast...good boy Sony.

BrutallyBlunt1765d ago (Edited 1765d ago )

This is true Joni-Ice, I also like having the freedom and flexibility that comes along with physical media. I can access it without relying on a connection, lend it, trade it, or even sell it if I so desire.

Pricing will move me to a digital copy (off of a cloud type service) but often times the physical offering can be found for less. The one benefit of digital is it would make it much easier to attain hard to get games or games that local stores have trouble getting or keeping in stock.

tdogg060519911764d ago

It doesn't have a good base yet. I mean when you look at it you have Netflix which offers you movies streaming and loads of content but Onlive makes you pay full price along with a monthly subscription. Plus what about Motion-play a newly developed technology which is unusable on Onlive. The key is making it easy and convenient but for now I would rather have the physical game disc in my hands.

inveni01764d ago

I think a Netflix of video games would be great, but I don't think our current internet infrastructure would support it. We're at least another 5-10 years from cloud gaming being enjoyable.

X-DominusRebellis-X1764d ago (Edited 1764d ago )

This is bullshit. You guys are forgetting the most important thing with this: cost. If Cloud gaming ever came into effect, they will be the price cetters. If they want to charge more for games i.e. $79.99 compared to today's $59.99 for a new game, there will be nothing you can do about it. Don't believe me? Just take a look at some PSN add ons. You can't buy them in stores anymore i.e. Shivering Isles, but it's STILL $19.99 on PSN.

Cloud gaming will only allow the corporations to make you their bitch and charge whatever they want for their service and game. If it is the only way of gaming in the future, then there will be no alternatives such as physical media. Cloud gaming is a stupid idea.

seinfan1764d ago

@stbl990
The problem with that is, thanks to Comcast, every ISP is eventually going to adopt bandwidth caps. AT&T just did a few months ago. Time Warner has been mentioning it for a few years. I'm sure all others are considering.

bozebo1764d ago

@X-DominusRebellis-X

What he said.

There needs to be competition in the retail sector, also - even if digital distributors aren't out to rip you off they still do it by accident because they don't track and update prices appropriately. Also, on Steam a LOT of new launches are CHEAPER if you buy the disk - which then goes on to install itself through steam, so thats the same thing for as low as half the price sometimes (I got GTA4 shortly after launch, steam version on disk, for £7.99 when it was full price on steam digitally).

Also, why the hell is GTA 1 and 2 so damn expensive on Steam right now? You can get them FREE, legally. Yet the steam price is extortion for such an old game. Also, since steam launched the average price of PC games has risen hugely. The same thing would happen to consoles if they forced digital distribution for everything "Want
UC4? That'll be $200 tyvm...".

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malamdra1765d ago

sureeeeee

just go see the comments on the article about Capcom releasing RE4HD only for download in the west and you'll see how this will never happen

Soldierone1765d ago

I actually have a fast connection. downloaded the Infamous 2 full game trila (15 gigs) in about 5 minutes, 10 tops. Took my friend 20.

These services STILL have lag issues for me though. Its not "terrible" but its noticeably different than just playing off a disc. I can't imagine playing COD on them. You have the lag for just the basic game streaming, then you have lag for online too (no matter what a game lags online to some extension)people would need to adjust really badly.

Peaceful_Jelly1765d ago

you downloaded 15GB's in 5 minutes? 0 _ 0

Takoulya1765d ago

WTF, man. I get about 1Mb per second when downloading off of the PS3...

Miths1765d ago

That sounds somewhat implausible. I'm on a 50 Mbit connection, and at full speed (6 MB/s, though I usually "only" get 2-3 MB/s on PSN downloads) I can download around 3.6 GB in 10 minutes.
So you'll need a rather whopping 200+ Mbit connection to download 15 GB in ten minutes. Never mind the 400+ needed for your initial five minute claim.

Though I guess there may be some countries in Asia and perhaps a few other places where you can in fact get Internet connections faster than 100 Mbit?

Soldierone1765d ago

It wasn't anything longer than 10 minutes...I started it when i was going to do something and it was done before I even got up to go. I didn't time it EXACT so it could be give or take for 10 minutes. No way in hell was it 20 minutes or half hour like my friends, I wouldn't have sat there that long.

We get somewhere in the range of 25MBPS with a "power boost" during off times, which is when I did it. Disagree all you want, it happened so I don't really care lol. I have nothing to "prove."

Fact of the matter is even a high speed connections (and its not just mine, go online and find other complaints) can't handle the streaming services perfectly. They still have kinks to work out.

Sprud1765d ago

That's because bandwidth and latency are two different things. Even if the entire world gets 100/100 broadband tomorrow cloud gaming will still suck because of the latency. Latency is the time it takes for signals to travel from client to server and back to client again. It can never be zero unless client and server is the same machine.

liveActionLeveler1765d ago

That's insane, I would love to have that connection. I'm not lying when I say that 15 gigs would take me about 4 and a half days if I left my PS3 on 24/7!

WANNAGETHIGH1765d ago

@Soldierone Spare me the BS....15gig in 5min!!!!...Pls quit the crap.

nycredude1764d ago

You are so full of it. 25mbps is not THAT fast. My brotherhood has an oc12 connection which is on the backbone of the internet and he don't get 15gig in 10 mins. Also have you any idea how much it cost? In order for this service to work and be successful there is just too my obsticles.

Price, widespread availability, changing peoples mentality.

Just_aarix1764d ago

Took me 2 hours to download a 1gb demo. WTF

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kaveti66161765d ago

It's amusing to hear teenagers and young adults become extremely conservative in the face of changing technology.

It's usually old people who complain about new things. When television was invented the old-timers scoffed and returned to their radios.

When personal computers were commercialized, the spinster secretaries scoffed and returned to their old-fashioned typewriters.

And so it is with this. But now, as technology is moving at an ever faster pace, even the youngsters are voicing their distaste.

"Oh, no. I don't want to store things digitally. I'm happy with my discs."

Get used to it. Once the technology becomes widespread, and for all the naysayers, it WILL, the companies that publish video games will no longer wish to spend the extra money to distribute their products in a physical format. The internet transcends all regions and boundaries. It will cost less money for them to distribute everything digitally.

Discs constrain the medium in one way or another. 50 gigabytes sounds like a lot today, and those who went out any purchased Blu-Ray players think that they have purchased the definitive technology for the rest of their lives.

Cloud gaming is the future. Cloud everything is the future.

JellyJelly1765d ago

I don't get the negativity either. What is it they fear? Not having a bunch of consoles and discs to cuddle with?

That kind of collector minded materialism is something I don't get. I buy all my games original, but what is so special about having a plastic box with a manual you'll never read?

If we could get a console that's 50% hardware driven and 50% cloud processor driven next gen that would be brilliant.

100% would be even better. Sold as a service. That would mean that the hardware could be bleeding edge all the time.

I know it's not possible TODAY but I don't get what would be so bad about it when it becomes possible? Why the hatred/fear?

Awesome-Xanto1765d ago (Edited 1765d ago )

Hate to break it to you, but not all technology is good technology. The only major befit that cloud gaming or OnLive offers you is the ability to instantly game as soon as your purchase it on old hardware. However there are major disadvantages to this type of service that vastly outweigh that one advantage, and it is these disadvantages that keep retail and digital as better options. Just to name a few, you need near 100% up-time (which rarely happens with online services, take PSN for example), you need a constant and good connection (which not many people actually have right now), and you don't own the product... your renting it.

There has been many technologies that have been invented over the years that have been labeled as the "future", but have failed to stay around... it's naive to think this is any different.

@Pekka:

In someways I would say you own digital, well you own it far more than say "streaming"... I can make as many backups of that digital file as I want and effectively keep it and play it for the rest of my life. Even though I still prefer retail.

TheDivine1765d ago

I agree dd is great and i love it but theres a few problems yet. Ms owns xbl and sony owns psn so if all disks are gone there will be no compitition to drive prices down. Look at the psp go, all games on it cost twice as much as discs. It seems it would be cheaper but really its not. Pcs are great for dd because steam and gog and other game services compete but theres no such compitition on consoles. I also like bieng able to sell or borrow games. Thats a big one there. DD has done wonderful things to pc gaming, indy games, smaller studios whose games are nich. I think xbla/indy games is the best thing to happen to console gaming but were not quite ready for all DD.

Pekka1765d ago (Edited 1765d ago )

Well, I don't mind having cloud and digital downloads if it works and is significantly less expensive. And by minimum 50% less expensive because digital storing is just renting. You own nothing, you just rent. You can't own something which you can't sell. If game is sold for 60 euros at stores, I could consider "buying" it digitally for 30 euros (then again, most my games only cost max 20 euros, I rarely buy anything at full price). If it cost around the same price then there is no point downloading it.

Of course, naysayers do have a choice. They can just stop buying games. It is easy and have been done before.

Anyway, I want to be able to play games without internet. Game device which can't be played with no connection is just a worthless piece of junk.

Edit: I consider every game in Steam as rental game.

liveActionLeveler1764d ago

Well it's not really negativity that I don't like. I realize this will be the future, it's just not as near as most people think it is, in my opinion of course. I personally would not give up gaming if it was cloud. The only reason I don't like this is because there are so many articles like this right NOW, when this future is much LATER. It's just getting annoying seeing them now as it's not coming for a while most likely.

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lil Titan1765d ago

america is in #15 place as for online super speeds so its not the end for any of these systems and when america is up to par with the other countries i dont know about everyone else but im still gonna want my PS im my room

TBM1764d ago

The minute consoles come to an end I leave gaming for good. Id rather physical media than having my games on some cloud thing.

DeadlyFire1764d ago

Not a chance. I see in PS6/Xbox 5,NES 8 generation it might be possible. Bandwidth is just not there yet.

showtimefolks1764d ago

and when the price is the same whether you buy from steam or a store than why not get a hard cop you can sell back or trade later

but with piracy and middle man being gamestop and other stoes how soon can we expect something like onlive?

i say if the new ps4 will come out in 2015 it can support cloud based gaming online with psn being a strong store to sell all games at launch along with it being connected to steam.

but if any company is doing that the middle man price of 10-15 bucks needs to be dropped of the price at launch games will be 39.99 to 44.99

in next 4-5 years almost everyone who s interested in gaming will have fast enough internet connection to be able to play lag free.

what you think when do you think we will see one of these major console makers to go all cloud and cut the middle man out?

trancefreak1764d ago

this is like trying to get oil companies to stop making gasoline for cars.

I do agree cloud gaming will be relevant 1 day and digital distributions are already an optional source, I'm sure past my lifetime time before this is a serious evolved evolution.

Now another thing nvidia/Amd Ati im sure do not want this along with other chip manufactures like Intel/IBM.

That is and will be the way too goo for the long run.

cloud based system will probably be an optional scenario for some time.

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THC CELL1765d ago (Edited 1765d ago )

people also want to own stuff. and it will never be 100% lag free. i like owning the games and having a library to look at.
Plus what about places like my work i will lose my job cause noone is buying games from stores anymore.

would like to see a halo or kill zone 1000 vs 1000

if cloud gaming starts ms Nintendo and Sony will have to team up. Sony and Nintendo will make the most money as they own more studios. Then again it will be down to the networks

Ms have there own
sony
nintendo and we could even see valve and others

8bit_Nes_Rambo1765d ago

Good point. People like to own hard copies of stuff they have bought and it will take another generation or two to deviate from that mindset. Also, with the advent of the PSN hacking and other companies being compromised, people might be wary of owning a strictly web based gaming set up.

Sprud1765d ago

According to recent studies most people already prefer music online over CDs. Not saying it is so for games yet, but it might be sooner than we think.

Personally, I prefer owning games digitally as long as I can redownload as many times as I want. Like Steam.

Awesome-Xanto1765d ago (Edited 1765d ago )

There is a big difference between spending $60 on a game rather than just over a $1 for a song... music just makes more sense being digital. There small files that almost ANYONE with an internet connection can download. Games are large so they can take a while to download and take a lot of space. These make more sense as physical items.

Not to mention using the "cloud" or OnLive, is streaming... so you don't really own anything in that is bought. Big difference between that and downloading anything.

Sprud1765d ago (Edited 1765d ago )

I don't get what's so great about having a physical disc. They can get damaged, destroyed or simply go missing. Digital ownership has none of those problems.

That "you don't really own anything" argument is just being paranoid. I'm in no way afraid of losing anything I've bought on Steam. Fact is, I've lost many more physical games than digital games. I've lost zero digital games.

NotSoSilentBob1765d ago

Cloud gaming will be the death of the industry. You will see prices sky rocket from the console/cloud provider. Witht he demise of retail sales they provider will have 100% say in price and the 599$ of the PS3 will be come the standard for every video console/cloud service. I for one will not be supporting this kind of business.

Alos881765d ago

Yeah, this isn't going to happen. Cloud gaming- dead end technology imo.