Pacther thinks new Sony handheld will "likely contribute to further declines in Nintendo’s share price" He believes that the PS Vita will achieve what the PSP did not and eat into Nintendo's handheld market share.
Handhelds live, Handhelds die, 3ds kiss your ass goodbye.
At the current price structure - yes, i agree with him. But i have a feeling that Nintendo can drop below $200 if they wanted to I disagree with his smartphone theory though. At the end of the day, the software experience does not match up to what we have grown accustomed to on handhelds. Angry birds is a nice change of pace but i still need my crisis core
For the first time in a while I agree with Pachter. While at the same price point the Vita is a shockingly better deal.
Couldn't agree more ^
Completely agree with Pedrobear, the 3DS desperately needs a price cut if it's to compete with the Vita, and I think Nintendo probably will cut the price as soon as Vita launches.
they should launch it at 160-180 ,.. and they would still make money (around 50+ usd per unit) on hardware,.. They just fucked themselves out of a customer because of their greed,.. Now I don't even care, if they drop it to 130 tomorrow,.. I am still getting Vita,... Smartphones,.. will not change shit on core-gaming market,.. It is simply ridiculous proposition on so many levels,.. First is inability to make complex enough interaction for 99 percent of core genres with touch screen as a standalone input method.(It may really add to and enhance the experience,.. but as a standalone it simply does not work) Second,.. you still need a phone,.. ? hell, even plants VS zombies burns your battery like mofo,.. Third,.. To much risk involved in that market,..It is still a phone market,.. The dedicated gaming market is actually really small and almost nonexistent,.. You cannot develop multimillion dollar titles there and sell them for 1'99,..
all Nintendo has to do is drop the price of the 3Ds then what will people say o.o, is that the only argument? Graphics isn't a factor, and games aren't a factor, its gonna be based on brand loyalty. when the 3DS is at 200 and vita at 250? what then? that's the only valid argument i ever see, 3Ds isnt worth the price neither is any apple product but it still sells. the tech in the 3DS is good the tech in the vita is better. but then the tech in a ps3 is good and the tech in a pc is 50x better but look how that turned out. Nintendos brand name is more recognized with friendly than sony. point blank. that turns around into holiday sales. Vita its gonna sell to the 17-40something year old males, so will the 3DS. Nintendo dominates the handheld market but no one in the world truly holds the market share for ever ex look at Microsoft, apple is trying to steal as much shares as possible, in the end Microsoft still controls 80+% of the market but people make a big deal because apple is up 2% same for smartphone apple had 90% control now its dropping to 60 maybe even 50% control thanks to android and wp7os Nintendo owned the handheld market from the 90's till the psp came out there was no competition no choice, Nintendo handheld share fell from 100% to 90% now its close to 75% but thats after sony spent more than 2x as much on advertising and the lost so much money getting their new product out while Nintendo didn't even try. Dont count Nintendo out, and what does everyone believe in their mind that sony will sell 200million vita's and the 3DS 5 million and Nintendo will just drop out of the race? obviously if in the 2% chance that Nintendo lost they would just make the baddest handheld to date. so get over yourself vita fans. let the disagrees commence.
Price cut, I doubt it, and not during the holiday season with the heavy hitters showing up. They may stay the same well into next year. The Vita is going to grab much more of nintendo's market this time around though, but judging from the past for like...all consoles and handhelds, usually the 1st year is a bit week for new consoles and handhelds, put i'm sure 2 or 3 years later, we might see a price drop. but who knows, maybe the Vita will have an awesome launch with AAA games out at launch, but i highly doubt it.
vita best handheld !!!
Finally Pacther makes a accurate prediction.
*picks up an original fatty ps3 and throws it at your head* oops oh well *drags your unconscious body out of psn and dumps you in xbl* and stay out! we don't like you even if you say good things about sony brands troll
he just cursed the PS Vita by making that prediction
isnt it a she? lol?
they showed, with skype, I'm gonna annoy the heck out of my wife, prompting her to get one and do it back to me. SOMETIMES I REALLY WISH THERE WAS NO CONSOLE WAR... WHAT IS IT GOOD FOR ABSOLUTELY.. NOTHIN!!
It's fun to watch the Xbox loyalists squirm while holding no real allegiance of my own. I am an Xbox antagonist, not a fanboy of the "competition" other than that, yeah..console wars are really stupid. They used to be more civil too. Humanity has really gone down the tubes.
Its good for driving competition in sales which pushes manufacturers to make better hardware/software in order to attract more customers. Im happy there is a console war and i think Sony is winning it.
great games before this console war. I don't think, it's bring anything positive to the industry. It's hampering sales, because a person who would of gotten both consoles in the past, is now a loyalist to one brand. Gaming was alot more fun during those times, you'd go to a friends house and they'd have a 64, Playstation and an Xbox. That's fun.
The console wars are nothing new and existed just as much in that nostalgic rose tinted golden age you mention - you probably just didnt read about it as much since the internet wasnt as widespread. "Sega does what Nintendon't" - for example
lol the psp took marketshare as well. And the vita should keep it But his assessment on the death of handhelds is misguided.
all nintendo need to do is drop the price to around 150 and odds are they will win the handheld war again and still make a profite
if i remember well patcher one time said that the psp2(npg, vita) was dead on arrival... LOL :)
That was pre-price announcement; most people(including myself) had doubts about Sony releasing the vita at a price lower than $300.
well sony knows the vita needed a high price but they are loosing profit on every system sold to try to beat nintendo. a suicide mission to take them on at all costs.
if i remember well patcher one time said that the psp2(ngo, vita) was dead on arrival... LOL :) edit sorry for the double post
I agree with Pachter on this. Vita will be better than 3DS.
The same Michael Pachter that predicted it to be dead on arrival? The same Michael Pachter that predicted Sony would try to charge us $400 for their new handheld? Looks like hes finally coming around.
to be fair, some features were cut since then (eg HDMI output, specs culled) I expected $300+. At $400, i would have bought it, but not many others would have wanted to. Even nintendo probably expected it given their launch price.
PS Vita maybe the best handheld but it won't rob nintendo of Market share here in the uk this year as according to reports it won't be released here until march 2012. As such nintendo will get most of the Market share this Christmas as the only real true new handheld choice at holidays 2011 will the 3ds. A great way to loose Market share is by missing holiday release and then you keep having to play catch up and Sony seem to keep missing this point here in uk/eu and keep missing key release times.
So now some of the Pachter haters like Pachter? How peculiar.
Funny that. look at your disagrees, they don't like the truth.
what? they have a different audience ... vita cant rob nintendo fanbase.. they want nintendo games.. as i like SONY's games that cant be found on a nintendo console.. and thats why i dont buy it.. i cant even say they even compete with eachother
That is a very good point Karl. Bubbs
Can't see it making a big splash anyway to be honest. Although the pricing for what you're getting is fantastic I feel the time for a dedicated handheld gaming machine is passing. Sure there'll always be those who want that but I can't see them hitting big sales anymore
Fanboys. fanboys everywhere
The PSP already achieved that, whilst we all jest that the PSP (70million) failed in comparison to the DS (160 million), looking at the bigger picture few handheld alternatives have actually survived a generation against Nintendo, let alone sell about 50% of what Nintendo achieved. Truth be said, Sony don't need dominance of the market, their handheld range is quite profitable and that is a success in anyone's book.
DS won because of the casual Casual already have a handheld their phone. We true gamers, the ones who when I say XIII they ask Final fantasy or coming? They want more than just some motion game+touchscreen they want Uncharted and COD and all the franchise they've enjoyed.
no one counts in gba sales either o.o nintendo really dominated the hand held market cause the gba just died and it was still selling,
PS Vita launch = Death of 3DS.
This guy knows his stuff. Derp.
I feel bad for 3ds owners, even its Mario 3D sucks....
Didn't realise you played it. You go to E3?
didn´t you see how clunky was that isometric mario videos!!! awfull
@leahcim 3DS Mario looks great to me. Plus it's being developed by the same team responsible for the terrific Mario Galaxy games. So you don't have to feel bad for me as a 3DS owner. Oh, and this is how "awful" should be spelled.
History will repeat itself, as always when it comes to Nintendo and the handheld competition. All they have to do is drop a proper Pokemon on 3DS and it's over.
I'm so happy pachter is always right........oh wait. :) Sony fans said the same about move...nintendo STILL is #1.
this dude didn't know to say at first he say PSvita will dead by arival and now he correct and say the opposite and don't know why he has good job if he don't understand the markt how it works
i disagree with patcher. he needs to keep in mind the types of gamers who play on handhelds. serious adult gamers play on big screens with the fanciest new tech. who wants to play a dumbed down handheld game on a 6" screen when i can play on my 50" TV? so the market for handhelds is with kids and kids like pokemon and mario. kids dont care about the newest features or the best graphics. kids also cant commandeer the big living room TV when ever they want so a handheld is attractive to them because they can play even when mom and dad are on the TV. While i think the Vita will be a great device it just isnt targeted at the corrected demographic for handhelds. Its targeted at adult gamers and I think adult gamers would rather spend there money traditional console or PC games.
if nintendo drops the price of 3ds to $150 they';ll win. they are just greedy the 3ds costs only 100 bucks to manufacture. that's the issue with nintendo they never stand cutting edge like sony and microsoft look at wii u ts going to cost like $350 yet only be as powerful as current gen consoles that will cost less than 200 by the time the wii u launches. not trying to hate on nintendo but they are not willing to start out making a loss so that their platforms can last long( 3ds and wii u)
Nintendo doesn't have multi billion dollar funding like Microsoft and Sony Nintendo only sells video games their competition is in 5 different markets or more making profits they have to be wise and not go bankrupt making a console and loosing profit on everything. they cant afford to do that, sheer economics of it. i agree with being greedy but i guess its them thinking about having price cuts so more ppl flock to it, i have a feeling nintendo knew sony would try its best to compete with their pricing
So to be an industry "expert" all you have to do is state the obvious. Half the users on N4G could do a better job than this guy.
Vita is doomed then,Pachter is always wrong
i wouldn't be upset if that did happen, but that would mean pachter was right, and i just have a hard time accepting a universe where that could happen.
This guy is such a flip flopper. I can't take anything he says seriously. You can't spell analyst without anal either.
Lots of 3DS bashing in here. But i will say this. Nintendo will have a tough time because the Vita is priced the same as the 3DS. Anyone can tell by looking at a few games that the tech of the Vita is a lot more advanced than the 3DS. Both will be successful and i believe that the 3DS will sell more due to fanbase but Nintendo will loose some marketshare. Nintendo should have priced the 3DS at 150 Euros which they could have done and still made a profit.
I think nintendo will obviously still be okay. Nintendo can drop price any time they want and still get good profit. Vita on the other hand is already selling at a loss.
I think Pachter is right here. He's just saying Sony will gain more market share with Vita than it did with PSP, and I believe that will be the case. Though I still think 3DS will sell better in the long run.
I don't like Patcher, but I agree with him. Nor do I give a fuck if it sells better than 3ds. It's a buy for me, but as for sales....sony don't give me any money, why would I care?
I personally think these two are gonna bring best out of each other & everybody goes home happy! http://www.youtube.com/watc...
True and dont forget the multiplats. Which i assume that with this generation of handhelds there will be more of with the best versions being on the Vita. Its awesome that the 2 will fiercely compete with each other.
Nintendo will win....period.
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