A bold statement indeed, but one that Id has so far been able to back up.
John Carmack > ALL
yup he doesn't ride his IP's like Molyneux and Kojima The dudes not afraid of a new big budget IP major props.
he has name to backup new IPs (hey it`s a new game from Carmack, that dude, maker of Doom) and all ppl know it is gonna be good game... Still im counting that others will follow hes skill and will adopt new sollutions...
You don't get the name for no reason...you get the name by taking risks....if he didn't leave Wolfenstien to make Doom, if he decided to milk Doom instead of creating Quake, and if he didn't decide to implement what todays standards are in games he would be nothing. Kojima could easily do the same. Create new games at the quality of MGS, and he will have a similar name. However he obviously loves MGS so why leave it? He is taking an alternative route, using a single game franchise to try new ideas.
I guess we'll see when it hits the streets. KZ3 is easily one of the most beautiful games on the consoles and the MP quality is just insane. And what about GOW3? I'm willing to put money on it that RAGE will not top KZ3 or GOW3.
He has to or he'd get overshadowed by the BF vs MW3 drama. Also, Resistance 3, Uncharted 3 and Skyrim (all established IPs)
dude what are you talking about ID blows. sure they do really good graphics but they BLOW at making actual games.doom 3, quake 4,some other online game that was kind of like battlefield but worse. ID blows at making games and always has, graphics wize there good but gameplay is always repedative and lame.
. ...he said " arguably "...I think many would argue that Crysis 2 and the game that pushed them into October, Gears of War 3 would have something to say about that but beauty is in the eye of the beholder...SOooo Many great looking games...I guess it comes down to expectations. Rage looks great BUT and this will be the defining issue, I think Rage will run 640p. Did you notice they never mention what rez it's running??? It doesn't bother me, depending on how it looks but the PIXEL COUNTERS are always watching...lol. COD uses the same engine at 60fps and 640p. Brink uses the same engine...I hope it doesn't turn out like Brink...O_o Common Johnny...show some console footage otherwise your no better than Dice and their scams. I've seen some footage that they claim is 360 but I have my suspicions. I'm also getting tired of hearing about how they invented fire and electricity. Things change...either you adapt or you become insignificant...just saying.
@InsideOut LMAO cod does'nt use a new engine. It uses a very old version of ID.
i hate when graphics seem more important than gameplay this gen, smh it looks to be a good game and i hope they release there engine to other developers since i hate the over used unreal engine
@B-one You forgot about quake infidel.
Well if you look at the game there isn't buildings collapsing everywhere nor is there anything to do with multiplayer. So its understandable that your game has higher framerate then Battlefield 3. I am certainly picking up RAGE, but its not because its got more frames then my new favorite shooter. Its cuz I respect old skool id software and RAGE does indeed look like a great sandbox SP game.
"COD uses the same engine at 60fps and 640p. Brink uses the same engine." what?
Inside_out: CoD games run on a heavily modded version of the Quake 3 engine,iD Tech 3, that's 1998. Brink runs on the Doom 3 engine, iD Tech 4, 2003. RAGE runs on a brand new engine, soon to be the Doom 4 engine, iD Tech 5. Just so you had your facts straight.
John Carmack + idsoftware = win win
@ ChrisGTR1 id software didn't make Quake 4, Raven software did. Sure Doom 3 wasn't a fantastic game but it wasn't bad either. The last real game id software developed was Doom 3 and before that it was Quake 3, which is considered by many to be the greatest multi-player FPS of all time.
Reading through some of these comments just proves how many of the new gamers today don't really know a thing about gaming history. John Carmack is arguably the single most influential engine coder living today. He pioneered SO MANY of modern day graphic techniques that programmers use. And you might ask why that's important? Because it doesn't matter how powerful your hardware is if the developer doesn't know how to code an engine to sufficiently take advantage of that power, and how to render the images on screen. John Carmack pioneered many of these techniques in coding sophisticated modern graphical engines. He's a brilliant programmer. However, he's NOT a game designer. Carmack runs the engine-making at id and does almost ALL of it himself, as well as the company, but id has a completely separate section of employees dedicated to game design. Like Tim Willis. People who show disrespect to ID really are not a respectable gamer. Even their competitors respect ids influence.
This is so frustrating. Anyone could make a beautiful game on consoles if they took out physics, destructibility and advanced AI. It's frustrating to see so many gamers kissing Carmack's rear window just because he helped mold a genre. Wait until Rage is released. If it doesn't suck...if it has physics and destructibility...if it's more than just a pretty thing to look at...then you should give him props.
"yup he doesn't ride his IP's like Molyneux and Kojima" 1. There's nothing wrong with that. 2. Yes he/Id does: Quake has a bunch of different titles; and even if they didn't make some of them, you think they aren't making money off of the ones they didn't make, like they just gave it away?
There is no denying that Id are capable of pushing hardware to the max. Rage looks absolutely amazing on both consoles and high-end PCs alike. Id's graphic engines are so well optimised, that even on lower spec hardware, the games still look awesome! Hell, Id even managed to get Doom 3 looking great on the old Xbox (an achievement in itself!). But is Rage better looking than Uncharted 3 or Gears 3? Maybe, maybe not...we'll just have to wait and see!
I doubt it. From what I've seen, the game has a very cel-shaded sort of look to it. Even at 2xAA, 60fps, whatever, a cartoony looking game doesn't strike me as "impressive" Now if they could actually RELEASE the game.... "crysis 2 on ps3/360 KILLS Killzone 2 and 3 " - You're blind. 720p MLAA 30fps vs aliasing and sub-hd is enough to make your statement a joke.
Just respect the mans opinion and move on
What makes Rage stand out are the mega textures. And there's no way in hell where Crysis "console" would look better than Killzone. Some of you people really need to to play Killzone and shut the heck up, seriously. But I agree that Rage actually looks on par or maybe better than Killzone "on consoles". http://www.tomsguide.com/us...
I've seen the game running in front of me. Looks amazing. Really surprised to find out it was the console version I was seeing.
@silent all games are kinda cartoony, for the time being anyways. even the best looking games havent reached the next level yet. bf3 is on the right track though. anyways rage is not cell shaded, just colorful. why burn on it? it might be a great game
@Witwolf Until someone has an opposing opinion to yours, then respect can go out the window, right?
Makes me laugh when people say kz2 and kz3 on consoles are the best looking games lol. Crysis 2 and other games like uc3 and gears 3 are miles ahead of anything we seen in kz2 and 3. In fact kz3 was a downgrade in graphics over kz2. Rage without a shadow of a doubt is the best looking console game anyone has ever shown. Open your fanboy eyes and just accept it.
I played a bunch of KZ3 and Crysis2 when they came out, and to me KZ3 is still the best looking game out there, but I do think Rage will set new standards for the end of this console generation.
well its true it is one of the best looking games on consoles but it being THE best is arguable the fact that its arguable shows its up the with the best I wont speak until I play it
funny, the creators of Crysis 2 saying this a long time ago....:P
Well considering Call of Duty MW2 & Black Ops are still using a modified iD Tech 3 engine (released 1999)...I'm pretty sure that iD's new engine will set the graphical bar (once again). And please don't compare Crytek and iD. Thats like comparing a Skoda to a Ferrari.
@MyOtherHatIsUrMom Bro, I'm telling you this as someone who owns a 360 and PS3 and has played both and has WORKING EYES. There's is no F'n way Crysis 2 on consoles looked better then Killzone 3... no F'n way. Not even close buddy. Don't get me wrong Crysis 2 looked good, but it looks multiplatform good. Killzone 3 is 50 gig blu-ray PS3 exclusive good.
What does 50gb Bluray have to do with graphics? PC destroys console and it doesn't use Bluray.
@Xrider Did you missed the part where I said "on consoles"? And 50 gigs means higher rez textures... edit: dude this article is about consoles why the heck are you bringing the PC into this?
@Xrider, Because the submitter tagged it as pc most likely...
@XRider You realise Killzone 3 is like 9GB and 32GB of pre rendered video right? http://www.eurogamer.net/ar... RAGE is said to be over 10GB in size (2DVDs on 360) and have 0 pre rendered videos...
"crysis 2 on ps3/360 KILLS Killzone 2 and 3" !!!! What The F$#K!!??? (@[email protected])
@ myotherhatisurmom Lol you can't honestly believe that. Put on your glasses or put in your contacts before you make yourself look stupid like that again.
What is so funny? They where right about the 360 version of Crysis 2. Until GOW3 or Rage comes out they're still right.
I can't say I care about graphics. Game looks interesting but I won't buy a game for graphics alone.
Amen, I remember playing Doom 3 but I just didn't enjoy it that much even though the graphics were great at that time. A great game for me must have graphics and gameplay, there is no reason for this generation of pc's and consoles to skimp out on both.
Graphics are always in the eye of the beholder. So you can't actually say this looks better than this in general. For me Gears of War 2 is still one the best looking games on consoles. Along with Uncharted 2. The only thing you can clearly define is the technology behind the game. Which makes Crysis still unmatched on PC. But other games look more impressive for example.
Yup, and if you don't believe it just ask him. Rage looks nice, but I haven't seen a thing that would put it into the best looking console game conversation.
still think god of war 3 has the best graphics on consoles even though they are inconsistant through the game. crysis on the 360 is right up there so i doubt rage is going to miles better than them.
Agree with you. God of War 3 is absolutely mind blowing in some parts especially on my big led tv. Stig, or whatever his name is said that they were just learning how to really harness the hardware when God of War 3 was released. I can't wait to see what Sony Santa Monica's next game looks like. More importantly, what it plays like. Because gameplay is king provided the graphics are sufficient. http://www.youtube.com/watc... god of war 3 montage.
I can believe it.
I really hope this isn't some chest thumping crap and is a legitimate claim.
If it was anybody else besides ID and John Carmack I would have to agree.
hell, so far it looks as good as anything else on consoles and has a high frame rate. i read years ago tech 5 can do unlimited textures without hurting the framerate. if this is true then im sure id is proud and they are allowed to talk shit. probably could make the game look better over time but im sure they need to turn a profit
Very much looking forward to this game. Personally, from what ive seen, it doesnt look as good as quite a few other shooters visually, but im sure it will more than make up for it with awesome gameplay that surpasses most other titles.
From what I can tell, Rage WILL BE the benchmark going forward for console gamers just like Crysis was for PC gamers awhile back. Carmack's a smart dude. He knows how to squeeze out every bit of CPU cycle to make that game shine.
Yep, I agree. It's looking great so far. By the way, your avatar disturbs me.
rofl yeah, i keep staring his avatar out, looks very freaky http://ohiok.com/img/i165.p... hmm don't know which ones freakier
Carmack is a smart guy, but lets give credit to his development team as well. Those are the guys pushing those CPU cycles and making sure the game hits it framerate target, etc...
Your avatar will haunt my dreams.
Well, the game might LOOK GOOD, but we'll see how the overall game is. Still am pretty pumped for RAGE!
nope that will belong to uncharted 3 with goty 2011.
I think Battlefield 3 will be taking the GOTY 2011
Bioshock Infinite or Skyrim are my premature picks.
I see Gears 3 taking the crown. The multiplayer on dedicated servers is astonishing. The new and improved Horde is outstanding, and beast mode looks great. Also, 4 co-op single player campaign isn't too shabby as well. It's going to be a good fight to see who actually wins it. Too many good games coming out in such a short period of time!
im going to buy them all, they will all be goty for me cause i just dont see any of them sucking. awesome single player and multiplayer games. will be playin the heck out of all of them
nah bro, Skyrim or BF3. :D imo.
On console I'd give it to Uncharted 3. Battle field 3 and Skyrim look amazing but they're also doing different things. Skyrim is a wide open game and Battlefield has great destruction. But Uncharted just blows me away with the animations, textures, lighting, it's all amazing. And lets not forget the reining console champ in Killzone 3. That game still makes eye balls bleed :)
killzone 3 made my eyeballs bleed from all the horrible jaggies moving around in the backround, and the sub-hd textures and ugly colors, killzone 2 looked way better and still only looked mediocre then again, i am in the uncharted 3 beta and i think uncharted 2 looked way better also, granted it is a beta so hopefully they impprove it, but the consoles are showing their age man there are a lot of distance artifacts and jaggies in the uncharted 3 beta.
@yamzilla And I suppose "Zombies ate my Neighbors" looked and played WAY better than ALL th current day zombie games including Dead Island even though the game didn't release yet..... I know everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but you obviously used yours to show how incompetent one can really be/ act.....
Dark Souls Battlefield 3 Oblivion: Skyrim Witcher 2 Gears 3 Uncharted 3 Deus Ex: Human Revolution Assassin's Creed: Revelation Dead Island RAGE Batman: Arkham City Saints Row 3 Pretty sure it's gamers that wins in 2011.
Great list but L.A. Noire deserves a mention as well imo.
maybe he just means games that still have to come out.apart from witcher 2 but maybe he means x360 version?...if not then la noire,infamous2,kz3.lbp2,ds2 and me2 would fit on the list as well(i mention only those that came out on ps3 because its what i have,have no clue about games for x360,pc or wii)