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Microsoft “unapologetic” about going after casual audience – Xbox VP

Microsoft are “unapologetic about the fact we want to appeal” to casual gamers – because Kinect ”put a huge shot of adrenaline” into their quest to make Xbox 360 No. 1 worldwide. (Kinect, Microsoft, Xbox 360)

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Wizziokid  +   1613d ago
well I wonder how much of this the 'core' 360 fanbase will take before understanding their console is turning into the next wii.
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gamingdroid  +   1613d ago
The most sold games on the Xbox 360 are still core games, and there are plenty of core games to play, so I don't think the 'core' 360 user base really has issues.

It seems the vast majority are people that have no interest in the 360 that screams the loudest, but why? They already have an option they are happy with!
karl  +   1613d ago
thats for sure.. but what reason is there to own a 360 when all your hardcore games are in other platforms.. plus exclusives, that xbox just doesnt have anymore...

the smarter choice its obvious... but people just keeps buying xbox.. why?
lowcarb  +   1613d ago
That is not the smarter choice especially if the others game offerings and services don't appeal to you. I'm extremely satisfied with what MS has brought this gen for it's traditional core market and will continue to play exclusive and multiple platform games only on 360. Kinect is actually pretty cool with games coming I really want to hear more about. Hate all you want but the obvious choice for me is not to listen to the person screaming exclusive numbers. Those numbers are so irrelevant when only 3 out of 20 games are actually memorable and truly any good. Gears 3, Forza 4 and a slew of Multi Platform games re good enough for me this year.
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coryok  +   1613d ago
i dont think its people that have no interest in the 360 scream loudest, i think its people that had an interest in what microsoft was offering and then microsoft stopped offering that stuff and now their interest isnt as big and theyre screaming

btw, not related to what you said:
microsoft has no chance for worldwide this year, were already half way through the year and they havnt been the weekly top seller once. since the wii pricecut theyve been in last every time lol. doesnt look like theyre going to be hitting their goal this year

their sales may have been given a good boost by kinect at release, but those sales have considerably slower since: in the last 5 months theyve only sold ~1 million kinects, pretty disappointing considering in the 5 months prior they sold ~9 million. such a big drop off is a bad sign.

maybe they should try and support core gamers at the same time as they chase the casual crowd.
JasonPC360PS3Wii  +   1613d ago
360 is the core game pusher, it sells more core games than the PS3 and PC combined. The casual market is pure $ and the sales of Kinect show that. All that together is the reason why the 360 is outselling the PS3 and Wii worldwide.
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jimbone79  +   1613d ago
@ coryok
See that’s where your wrong. The ONLY people I EVER see complain about the 360's games are known PS3 fanboys that don't even own the system. They act like MS has just quit making any games at all, and stopped 3rd parties from doing so as well. It's pretty ridiculous if you ask me. To be honest your comment is so full of wrong and misinformation I feel I'm wasting my time even typing this. People like you made up their minds about MS long before Kinect, and only use it as a way to bash them because of what you’ve read on N4G. I’ve read through some of your comment history and while you are no troll, you only give Sony any credit, and heavily criticize MS and NIN. That’s your opinion and you have every right to it. I don’t fault anyone for that, but you are wrong about only 360 owners complaining about MS's line up, and about the last 5 months Sony beating MS in WW sales. That’s just not true, but I am willing to be proved wrong, show me the proof your right and I will gladly retract my statement and apologize.
BTW check out the Jan.- Mar. sales on this chart. This is WW too, by the way.
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darthv72  +   1613d ago
funny thing is....
people seem to think that it is ONLY MS that releases core titles on the 360. By all means they ignore the multitude of other companies who release games for the platform that are geared to hardcore and casuals alike.

MS didnt make this platform to satisfy the core gamer. They made this platform to satisfy gamers in general. They dont have 1st or 2nd party support like sony or nintendo. That is not an excuse its a fact. They rely on 3rd party support more than anything else.

So the 'core' games MS has are few and they were always few even when the platform launched. I guess people just dont get it. They havent changed focus on anything because their focus has always been the same. They are out to sell systems and provide an entertainment platform that the general populace will enjoy.

If you are a self proclaimed 'core' gamer and feel betrayed then you have other issues that should be addressed.
WhiteLightning  +   1613d ago
This is the reason why more people on here are talking about/defending the PS3 and making this site seem like a pro Sony site. When Microsoft was on top in the past this site came off as a 360 fanboy site, it just depends on who's doing better things for gamers.

It's not about being a fanboy like most people say...

"Oh your such a PS3 fanboy"....blah blah blah etc

It's because Sony are giving us what we want...more games and more exclusives, how can you NOT praise and talk about that kind of stuff. It bugs me that people can be so blind and not see Microsoft don't give a crap about us anymore, they are liars "Kinect IS for the core gamers", "Core gamers LOVE Kinect".

Hell I'm still going to play Gears 3, Halo Combat Evolved Anniversary, Halo 4 when they come out but you got to admit that Microsoft don't care about core gamers anymore but Sony do.
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Brosy  +   1613d ago
WhiteLightning you cant resist trolling 360 articles can you. You worship sony, we get it already.360 is doing just fine, what are you pissed that sonys Move isn't "moving" any hardware?
WhiteLightning  +   1613d ago
What the hell are you on

You don't even know me, I havent said anything along the lines of "Oh the 360 sucks" "Microsoft are crap" etc...I even said I'm going to buy Gears 3 and Halo when they come out, so I do have an Xbox 360. I honestly don't care much for Move so you whole comment is full of fail. It's all about fact and what's true, just because someone states these things dosen't mean there a fanboy.

I get it your a butthurt troll who hates the PS3...which would then make YOU the fanboy. I mean for godsake yout the guy who thinks Blu ray is a waste of time and wasn't even needed this gen. Face it your a Sony hater and a annoying troll.

Isn't it funny how I have five bubbles while you have two....can't imagine why :)
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Convas  +   1613d ago
I get what you are saying White. I've said it all before. How can you not like Sony for what they are doing with their Core line-up? Hell, it's the reason I got a PS3.


Sony fanboys on this site use Sony's strong momentum as a bully pulpit to "preach" that unless it is a PS3 exclusive, it is no good. That ALL PS3 exclusives are perfect, because they are from Sony.

Surely you've seen what happens when some PS3 exclusives get less than perfect 10 marks. Tin foil hats, pitchforks, and torches ALL come out of the wood works because as one fellow said "PS3 exclusives for some reviewing sites are like an straight A student getting Cs for no good reason from his teacher".

People actually believe on this site that Sony and their exclusives can do no wrong. They are worshipped, adorned, and placed on gigantic pedestals.

And then, what little exclusives MS does have are RELENTLESSLY compared and lambasted against the "Sony Graphic Standard". Look at Gears of War 3. Looks great. Looks Awesome!

Not according to some folks. "It's the UE3 engine, game looks dated" or "Sorry guys, Gears 3 looks like Gears 2 with some new textures"

So whilst I get what you are saying, this love for Sony and it's successes has gotten out of hand. Completely.
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candystop  +   1613d ago
Because what you speak is not the truth that's why! MS is delivering 2 AAA exclusive titles this holiday that are more anticipated than anything Sony has to offer. Yet here we are still talking about Sony exclusives that have pretty much not lived up to anything other then a we have more games arguments. This site was never pro 360 (get your facts right)which confirms you don't know what the heck your talking about.

"It's because Sony are giving us what we want...more games and more exclusives, how can you NOT praise and talk about that kind of stuff."
Shut up with that crap already! Sony isn't giving you anything more than MS this holiday blind fool!

"Microsoft don't give a crap about us anymore, they are liars "Kinect IS for the core gamers", "Core gamers LOVE Kinect"

Oh like SOny cares about you soooo much! At least MS is trying to support Kinect (you know the device millions purchased to Motion only games and not a optional controller to games I already own thats not as good as the original controller) unlike Sony with Move. 4million people purchased Move according to Sony 2 months ago in GameInformer and now at E3 when the console has been dead last worldwide they all of a sudden sale 8 million by E3. Yeah MS are liars sure! Why don't you go play your wanna be GEOW3 UC3 beta and leave us grown people alone. Nobody needs to know anything about your silly Dumb AZZ! Go play all your exclusives that suck now lmao!

Edit whyowhy: LOL...No argument but I'm sure you know my comment was created strictly to tick off whitelightning. Every once in awhile I like to pop up and trash talk but personally have nothing against SOny. I actually have more against MS but just love supporting the underdog in any genre!

Edit: LMAo...We are all hypocrites! Thank God were not running for President.
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Why o why  +   1613d ago
Clizz, ill always listen to what you have to say but i think youve gone waaaay too far on this sony fanboys are the cause of everything nonsense. Some of these fanboys you speak of are indeed fanboys, some of them are just fans who retaliate and remember when this site was full of bladestars and the likes. Why should they be so gracious and turn the other cheek all the time. Whats wrong with lauding exclusives. Why has it become such a dirty word. Ill tell you why.....people have changed their tunes and would prefer to talk about sales over games because some dont have the amount they used to use as ammunition. There are many dudd ps3 exclusives. Nobody can deny that but look at how many downplay the great ones....look how many flock to the low scoring review scores whilst staying well away from the high scoring ones. My point is it goes both ways. Singling out one side because of their love for exclusives and desire for more of them is a bit shallow imho. Fact. Exclusives on both hd consoles push harder than multiplatform games if you scaled them up. Fact, these games tend to be better than many of their multiplatform counterparts. Whats wrong with praising those. Surely its better and more relevant to us pad holders than lauding revenues and sales...leave those to the calculator holders.

When gears and bioshock were released the 360 crowd were boasting about exclusives and the graphical prowess of the 360 and rightly so. It may of annoyed ps fans but at least the chest beating was gaming related. Many ps3 guys were hating. Gears for me was the game that said next gen has arrived and some were hating on bioshock until it went multi....yeah i saw it. Fast forward to the present and we're now in july and no exclusive retail game has been released for the 360. Some will continue to hate on some of the ps3s enjoyable yet llower scoring games like yakuza 4 and white knight chronicles but at least they have a choice if you know what i mean. I dont expect manificent games all the time but you seem to address those that you think do expect nothing but the best....not possible or fair for ps fans or you repectively.

I cant believe the only games im turning my 360 on for are get to the chopper, upcoming gears and a couple over xbl games. I was crap a reach and im not a cod fan from last year so it really has been all about the sky player for this year.

I dont represent anybody but myself here but im sure there are many 360 owners that would love a few more good to great games......what wrong with wanting more games of a wider variety which more often than not are exclusives. You could also have to look at the origins of terms from tripple a to metascore and who made them so widely used. Two wrongs dont make a right but at least show you acknowledge theres more to blame than just sony fanboys. Ive run out of bubs and sorry for the essay

@ candy.. I see you feel provoked. You are now telling us about how kinect is getting supported. Ms's support for kinect should never be downplayed by anybody. What many peoples gripe is that they could of thrown their core a little bit of support. Coincidence

You too used to laud exclusives and graphics... But your early comments seem as angry as mine did back then so i smile because i signed up to vent anger on 360 fanboys like you did on ps3 fanboys.. Lmao. Those days were kinda fun but its 2011 now....we have to chill a little and try our best not to get sucked in plus im doing my best not to call you a hypocrite;)
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Jocosta  +   1613d ago
Nope, pretty sure its not my imagination, PS3 fanboys have run this site forever.
Aarix  +   1613d ago
Please I've been dealing with psfanboys since 2005
malamdra  +   1613d ago
Xbox has been number three worldwide for the last 4 years

Kinect shovelware is not going to change that
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Dlacy13g  +   1613d ago
one bubble comment moving on.
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Anon1974  +   1613d ago
I don't think Microsoft has anything to apologize for. They really hit it out of the park with Kinect, despite what the naysayers, myself included, had to say about the device. They probably just added years to the 360's lifespan now that Kinect has taken off - and I've always maintained that the 360 is 10 times the games system the Wii is. It never made sense to my why the 360 wasn't selling as well as the Wii, considering how similar they were in price.
firemassacre  +   1613d ago
then microsoft should legally change there console name to wii360
Inside_out  +   1613d ago
They would but...
...with Wii, Wii U and WiiPS3 Move hd, all the names are taken.

The best part of this interview is when he says...

Microsoft are “on a journey for growth” in 2011 to take Xbox 360 to No. 1 status worldwide within a year "...

" No 1 status " like 360, own all the systems and game mostly on 360 BUT do these guys really believe they are going to top the Nintendo Wii in a't the Wii at 90 million by now and 360 at 55 million...o_O
KMCROC  +   1613d ago
buying Nintendo would be easier.
theonlylolking  +   1613d ago
They are going after the wrong audience. Hardcore audience buys the games far more often than casuals. The casuals might buy the console but they wont support the console nearly as much. Casual gamers are a short time money boost. Hardcore gamers are long term.

Obviously it would outsell most of sony's exclusives when it is all you can buy. 2011 is the only year that the xbox 360 has a lot of good games other than exclusives.

Pretty much every PS3 exlcusive sells over 2 million. M$ only has 4 exclusives that will ALWAYS sell over 2 million. The others do not even come close to a million.

So really sony makes more money on games than M$ does. M$ gets most of its money from XBL gold memberships not exclusives.
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zinkabass  +   1613d ago
It is not like they make any games themselves ,.. so why would they care,..(yes they get some money from Royalties,..)

And their gamers are very loyal, since they invested and have to invest so heavily into machine (proprietary HDDs, Xbox Live)Ms basically has them by the balls,..
It would make more sense to me to get another wii, than to get 360 again,.. but that is just me,..

Consumers are mostly retarded. People should wake the fuck up, especially core gamers and smell the roses,.. It really takes some gamers far to long to realize, that MS has less developers, than they had when 360 launched,.. and even they are making eye-toy stuff,..

It is a complete joke of a system in terms of differentiation as a product, with core games that can be played only on that system,..(Yes exclusives,.. That is why Wii shits on 360,..and PS3 shits on everyone,.. I am just playing Fatal Frame4 on the wii bdw,.. It is awesome)
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Jocosta  +   1613d ago
So play with your console(s) of choice, no one is stopping you. Are you really bothered that much by what opter people like?
SixZeroFour  +   1613d ago
just bringing this out there but EVERY hardcore gamer started off as a casual gamer and then turned into a hardcore gamer when they found the genre(s) that they loved to play

its a business strategy and nintendo made the best move. whether you hate or love the wii, it was a smart business grow your user base by bringing in more casual gamers, make them fans of your brand, then when/if they become hardcore gamers, you most likely have them as a permanent buyer

wii - bring in millions upon millions of new casual gamers

wii u - turn those casual gamers into hardcore gamers
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KingSlayer  +   1613d ago
I'm completely unapologetic for thinking Kinect is a joke. They built their install base on the backs and loyalty of the core gamers and this is their repayment.
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Fishy Fingers  +   1613d ago
MS have never had a problem with potentially "pissing off" some of their consumer base if theres an opportunity to expand. Pretty much the same with 99% of companies, MS just don't make much effort to hide it.
likedamaster  +   1613d ago
Microsoft is doing what Sony is failing to do, even now.
SCW1982  +   1613d ago
Your right Sony is innovating while microsoft is throwing out easy to sell sequels and shovelware products. Oh that's right we need to still make games for the hardcore? Let's just throw another Halo down there throat using the reach engine that should quit their moaning.
jetlian  +   1613d ago
all we need is 2,3 and 4! as in re3, uc3, kz3, sc4,in2,lbp2,yk4,TM(6)

no innovation between them!
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madjedi  +   1613d ago
@jetlian Yeah innovation is over rated, the funniest part he mentions the one of the only relevant exclusive franchises for the the 360 and you list 6-7 sony franchises.

It just shows how bad ms's first party support is, so what is innovative about forza 4 and fable 3 nothing really.

People on this site have very selective memory till mid 08-09 this place was a 360 fanboy haven, and the topics of choice was exclusive games and graphics both ps3 vs 360. With a constant barrage of ps3 is doomed, sony is doomed and blu ray is not needed articles, to the 360 guys complaining about the ps3 fanboys ect.

Then you people should have told your fellow 360 gamers to not be a total douchebag to ps3 gamer, when the ps3 was struggling with it's early issue.

But a very large majority of you did what ps3 owners currently do either agree fully or not raise your voice do to a dislike of the other side.

There is an old saying you reap what you sow, you 360 guys planted this animosity and a need to lash out back for 2 yrs.

And now that the situations have reversed, and ms isn't doing all that good, these same people or their alternate accounts are suddenly i don't want to play this game anymore.

Why can't we just get along and not be attacking one systems due to a lack of exclusives or like a majority of the 360 crowd here rational it seems. Who the f*ck needs exclusive games look at all these incredible multiplatform games we have coming out.

Btw people using the term fanboys, i'll give maybe 5%of the multi console owners aren't fanboys, 95% are fanboys or biased gamers(which is a better term) that are still more pro one console than another.

I see too many fanboys on all sides bitch at others for being a fanboy that does not agree with their view of the truth.

I take that back fanboy is the most over used term, this gen.
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candystop  +   1613d ago

I just read your dumb, stupid, spiteful load of crap comment. People like you sound so brain dead it's no wonder we have these arguments. Heck why not blame all your problem in life on 360 since that's all you know how to do.
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jetlian  +   1613d ago
umm no
360 has always had 2-3 games during the holiday, nothing has changed! My post was geared towards the guy above me saying they only release easy to sell games

All companies looking for an easy sell. What is there to reap? 360 getting the same stuff it was 5 years ago. Bioshock,mass effect etc going MP hasn't stopped me from getting them.

lol MS not doing good?! kinect is at near 11 million and just cause you don't like it the millions of games it has sold are totally exclusive. Which is why you try to negate the device.

If you truly add up core and kinect games MS giving 360 owners more than sony for ps3!
likedamaster  +   1612d ago
Should have added this little tidbit in my comment.

"...with the casual market."
Why o why  +   1613d ago
wow, from the horses mouth....some will STILL find an angle to defend...probably with calculator in hand because they actually gain from the extra moola MS get.....right

Truth is its been on the cards for a couple years now. Studio closures, the change in dashboard, avatars and now kinect. They're not hiding it people

@ likedamaster above, whats that, provide more and varied support...ok well fail on sony..
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GusBricker  +   1613d ago
They have the best of both worlds. What's wrong with that?

MS IS smart. They're making money over fist. Do you know how many copies of Disneyland, Once Upon a Monster and Star Wars Kinect they're gonna sell? Millions each.
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TruthBTold  +   1613d ago
May I please have the numbers for this weeks mega million drawing as well? Thank you!
GusBricker  +   1613d ago
What do I look like, a fortune cookie?
falviousuk  +   1613d ago
quite right, they are a business after all as is sony etc.
X-Zone  +   1613d ago
Another slap in the face for their core audience.
Aarix  +   1613d ago
Yea, cause gears of war, halo 4, bioshock, mass effect, forza, and Ff really seem like a slap in the face for hardcore gamers. /s
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Eamon  +   1613d ago
Yes, MS. We know you've been unapologetic the past 4 E3 conferences now.
garos82  +   1613d ago
if you a proper gamer and are happy with ms gaming direction then i trully feel pity for you.
Aarix  +   1613d ago
A proper gamer will be happy with all games coming out (exclusive or not) and so far I have a lot of games coming out for 360.
optimus  +   1613d ago
i really don't understand why the hate on casual gaming when for the most part it has been ignored for years. these "hardcore" gamers that grew up with the nintendo, supernintendo, genesis etc. now have kids of their own and would like to introduce their kids to gaming but couldn't because most of the games that were available were too violent or too complex. it's the main reason why the wii blew up as much as it did. and why the dreamcast failed as quick as it did...
microsoft recognized this and have created a good balance that seems to be working.
i for one don't have the time anymore to get into gaming for hours on in as most of today's "hardcore" gamers do. I have grown tired of these so called "blockbuster" games with 7-8 hours of playtime with no replay value...

if microsoft wants to make games that are fun for the whole family as well as release a few BIG hardcore titles then more power to them as i will have a diverse selection to choose from.
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Why o why  +   1613d ago
nothing wrong with MS getting extra money but we're gamers. The 360 early adopters are the core gamer types. They dont all of a sudden become casuals. People play all types of games but MS has shifted too much to the casual side. Every gamer should be catered for not just the ones who bring in more bacon

Things i watched listened to or eat changed as i got older. The wii or anything aimed at casuals has its place. We've pretty much all grown up on casual games and many of us still play casuals games. The people who have helped the xbox grow are the ones who are getting the cold shoulder. Yes multiplatform games are a plenty but like ive said before MS's 07/08 lineups were lauded because of the exclusives. Some of the silly hypocrites are now going on like they're fine with the slim pickings MS provide in terms of exclusives....rewind a few years and a term 'no games' was rife and aimed at the ps3's library....the screamers didnt seem to care that the same multiplatform games were also available to play so those types deserve to get called out. It was all about the exclusives and graphics back then then when those flags were taking the goalpost get shifted to something new...LMAO

7 months into the year and NO retail exclusives released that weren't kinect games on the 360 so deep into its life cycle. Lets be honest here 99.9% of us arent stockholders or people who get any financial gain by whatever MS, Sony or Nintendo get. MS are relying on Multiplatform games to cater for their core. Nothing wrong with that per say but it sure exposes the flip flopping hypocrites
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WhiteLightning  +   1613d ago
I would like to introduce my kids to gaming but not like this, one of the first games I played on was Sonic for the Sega Megadrive, there were others before it obviously but this was the main game I can remember fully... however I wouldn't want my kid to play on Disneyland Kinect as their first game or some other shovel ware crap.

Games have always been core since the very start, all the games we first played on or grew up with were like that. I bet most of us would want our kids to grow with games the same way.

You ethier like games or you don't. You don't need Elmo and Big Bird to tell you that you do.
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optimus  +   1613d ago
games have been core since the very start?? which start is that? would you consider pong a core game? you wouldn't want your kid playing a disneyland kinect game? so you rather he/she mame some body parts, learn a few swear words, and consider taking up prostitution because it's seen as fun in grand theft auto?

maybe having big bird teach you abc's and 123's in an interactive way may not be fun to you but your kid may appreciate it. and as for either liking games or not; well i use to know a few people that DID and when you ask them why not anymore their answer is usually "because they stopped being fun". and they stopped on the notion that they could ever be fun again.

all i'm saying is that it's senseless to hate on a company for trying to make games for EVERYone and not just YOU.
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WhiteLightning  +   1613d ago
...Pong...yeah funny ¬¬

You know what i mean, when Nintedno brought out the Nes and people started to become more interested in games from then on.

Games were never casual, when people say Core they just mean the opposite of casual. Look at Mario, Super Mario Galaxy looks like a casual game but it's core at heart, just like N64's Super Mario 64.

As games developed they got more creative and better tec was involved, it's only since the Wii came out in 2006 that the whole casual situation became a big thing, where games have become more main stream. If I want my kids to play on games I would rather buy them a PS3/360 and buy a game like the Sega Mega Driver Ultimite collection so they came experience what we all did back in those old days of gaming before casual was ever introduced.

The reason people are hating on Microsoft here is because they sold out their own core loyal fans, the ones who have been their since day 1, the ones who have stuck by them and even the ones who made them what they are today. It's like a giant middle finger to them and Microsoft as the article is trying to point out, aren't even sorry. Nintendo are differen't because the Wii was always intended for casual gamers, the 360 however was not.
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Prototype  +   1613d ago
I remember the original Mario Bros on NES, that's what got me hooked on gaming outside the arcades because I was too young to know at the time there was a home console (until Gameboy came out xmas of 89). Before then it was the arcades (Altered Beast and Ninja Turtles).

I agree with you on the introducing kids part - back when we grew up you was either a gamer or not, games were a lot harder back then, and the rewards were a lot different than now. If (and I say IF lightly) I have kids and they start gaming, I'm gonna show them how gaming went from when we started to where they are now, and how it evolved from one phase to another - kinda like music, you hear older music from the 70's - 90's and most of it is better than the garbage out now.
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mcstorm  +   1613d ago
I dont see anything wrong with what MS are doing with the 360. Yes this year it has not got as many exclusive games as the PS3 but last year and the years before it did. MS have looked at the market and see what the current gamers want and on the 360 its Halo, Forza, Gears and COD. everything else is cross platform and sells well but those games sell the most.

Sony have always been a console for everyone look at games for the eye toy like eyepet or sing star ect. MS tried to make the console for every one with Banjo, Lips, your in the Movies but this did not work for them. Kinect now gives them the power to do this are it is easy to use with no buttons so everyone is able to play unlike wii or move as you still need to be able to press buttons. Yes its not that hard to do for most of us but some young kids and older people still have problems playing some games where Kinect acts just like in real life so they can move how they would when throwing a ball or dance.

If you look at Forza 4 for example this proves that Kinect dose not suckup the power of the 360 to make it work but also shows how it can be used with core games without taking away the controller the same with mass effect.

MS know the core gamers will not make there console the best selling console on the market as we are a small number but I like what they have done with Kinect so far its give the console some new and very good IP's like Dance central Kinect sports. Ok they are not classed as core games but still fun to play esp after a few drinks.

One thing people have been saying about MS is they copy everyone else like with lips, your in the movies ect but Kinect is new and offers something to the industry that is different to everyone else and I am glad MS picked kinect Sony picked move and Nintendo will give us the Wii U as all 3 consoles will offer us something different and each console will fell different as the last few gens the consoles were getting too alike and now they are going there own way and each offering us different things which to me gives us reason to pick all consoles up as each game will feel and play different on each console as well as have there own + point over the other.
KingSlayer  +   1613d ago
Forza will drive itself like Joy Ride. Mass Effect is only using the mic. Kinect is a joke. I don't need to post a wall of text for those simple points.
mcstorm  +   1613d ago
Thats the kind of fanboy attitude I expect on this site.

I dont get the hate for Kinect but its each to there own.
EVILDEAD360  +   1613d ago
Very well said MCstorm and + would be easy to jump in here..but it's good to see alot of gamers actually are keeping it real on this site and it's not the same ol' haters flapping their keyboard gums..

mcstorm  +   1613d ago
Thank you and I find this site quit funny at times. To me gaming is for everyone not just core. Plus we need games like kinect sports Wii party ect to get the young kids involved so over the next 10 years the start to buy games like halo bf gt forza ect. Plus games like dance Central Wii fit your shape zumba to get girls into games and also help the people who don't do sports ect keep fit as we are turning into a lazy world.
VampiricDragon  +   1613d ago
they arent number 1 worldwide though.

They are 5th including handhelds
Ulf  +   1613d ago
It's not a coincidence that most N4G posters are PS3 fans.

Sony is treats hardcore gamers well... hence hardcore gamers -- the same crowd, not coincidentally, likely to read and post to N4G, like the PS3.
nightmarex121  +   1613d ago
The casual market is evolving and its huge, a lot of games like dance games and fitness are top games for console, bunch of ipad and mobile games, and web app games like farmwille and penguin club. You don't need a big budget to make those games. Even if those games didn't sell they still can make a profit b/c it didn't cost much to make, so its not like all or nothing with big budget games and that's why a lot studio this gen went down under.
from the beach  +   1613d ago
I thought Sony were too, with causal games like Heavy Rain, Little Big Planet, Flower, SingStar etc.

Those are some seriously challenging games..
InTheLab  +   1613d ago
#1 worldwide? Better drop the price of Kinect by at least $100 and sell it at cost.

As for giving up on the core, only the blindest of xbots actually think MS still has something in store for it's core.

"Wait until TGS". TGS goes by and it's all Kinect games.

"Wait until E3" Surprise!!!'s Gears, Forza, and an HD remake, which can hardly be considered an exclusive. That's it for the year and the worst part? 9/2010 to 9/2011 is the gap between retail exclusives. I guess you'll be waiting for E3 2012. I'm sure MS has something planned for it's hardcore gamers.

Keep waiting and paying for Live if you're happy with them. Those of us with options will move on.
AngelicIceDiamond  +   1613d ago
Seeing the fact that the casual crowd aren't even real gamers as soon as Microsoft drops the ball or slips up on something. All there little casual players would go buy a wii or PlayStation with move enabled.

You can't keep the attention of 5 to 45 year old crowd for long. As soon as Microsoft screws up they're gonna panic and buy the next motion controller or play there next kiddy game.

Just like the fall out of the PlayStation, once Sony turned it back on all the loyal PlayStation fans stayed by there side and had twice as much activity than before.

Why? Because they are loyal to that console they are paying customers they know what goes on that console, and vise versa on the Xbox.

Casual crow are just a bunch of young (young as in little kids) to old people who are easily convinced into buying something they have no knowledge about play it once a year then buy the next expensive thing.
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Hifist1  +   1613d ago
I just wonder what happened to MS and Xbox. Where's the exclusives? Why all is that kinect crap and multiplatform games? And yeah, i couldn't care less about timed exclusive DLC's etc...
JeffGUNZ  +   1613d ago
It's not the amount of the exclusives you can pump out, it's the quality. Microsoft has Gears 3 coming out, which EPIC has completely listened to the community and delivered a beta which was one of the best online experiences I have had in a while. Most normal gamers could give a shit whether or not a game is an exclusive or multiplate. I own both systems, so I am lucky enough to have the best of both worlds. Even if I didn't buy my PS3 last year, I'd still have Gears 3, Forza 4, Mass Effect 3, Battlfield 3, Modern Warfare 3, and Ghost Recon to look foward to. Now with my PS3, I can add Uncharted 3.

Most of the best and most popular games this generation have been multiplats. Call of Duty is a multiplat and it's still the most plaed online game for PSN and Live since COD4 came out.
AngelicIceDiamond  +   1613d ago
BTW the PLayStation throllers are dazziling on this article. Its ridiculous.
Hatiko  +   1613d ago
MS, it's great that you want to appeal. But when you can't do that without killing off games like Kameo 2 and Perfect Dark Core, there is a problem. Appeal if you have the resources, which apparently, you don't.
SCW1982  +   1613d ago
I don't understand why people are still defending Kinect after E3, did someone see a different press conference than me? Opening up your hand to fire a weapon in ghost recon? WTF that is nothing like pulling the trigger. And they are so lazy in their approach to new IP's. Halo 4 check, Halo Anniversary check, Ooh let's throw out another shitty fable rush job, of course we need TEH GEARS! also Forza for the car crowd. Okay looks like we have everything covered now let's sell Star Wars Kinect to the most gullible parents out there. Its a sad state Microsoft is in and an even sadder state for the once Glorious RARE!
blackhammer  +   1613d ago
Gotta profit.
optimus  +   1613d ago
hmm, well by the looks of it it seems that most people in here want microsoft to abandon the kinect and stick to coming up with new games and exclusives, because sony does it? well if they did everything sony does than why bother having their OWN game system to begin with?

why not just do what sega did and develop software and leave the market wide open for sony and nintendo? hell by the sound of it why even bother with nintendo since they don't care about their core audience "the ones that have been with them from day 1 and made them what they are...blah,blah, yadda,yadda."
what happened to those sony loyalist that invested in the eyetoy? or the ones that invested in the move (because it was the "future of gaming")? sony says we have all the games you love and here are 3 games for the Move for the rest of the year to let you know we care about you...

...oh goody, i feel loved, now i can dust off my icecream cones and have some real fun.

so what if microsoft has 3 or 4 exclusives for the year, BIG DEAL. I'd rather have 2 or 3 GREAT games with some replay value than 10 or 12 BIG games that end up being just OK at best...and i'm not just talking sony, i include microsoft and nintendo too... you people just like to complain. if there wasn't an audience for the kinect then microsoft wouldn't support it as much but their IS. deal with it.
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Morgue  +   1613d ago
Nice to see you all have been wasting your time complaining about Kinect for the last 7 hours.
Tigan  +   1613d ago
This is how i can tell that MS has pissed all over sony's parade this gen. With articles that don't mean sh*t but fanboys trying to make something out of it.

I've been out of the loop lately but i take it it's more of the same with sony STILL playing catch up. Can't wait for forza 4 and Gears 3. Cheers
gcolley  +   1613d ago
you mention fanboys and then show that you are one yourself.

and yes you can leave this site for a year and still come back to the same arguments just like you never left.
optimus  +   1613d ago
how is he automatically a fanboy simply because he stated some exclusive games that he likes? as gamers are we not allowed to like a particular game? are people that that praise uncharted and resistance not counted as fanboys? you "gamers" of today are a funny bunch.
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