It would appear that the recent price reduction for the Toshiba HD DVD players is having an effect on sales. After the announced price drop retailers such as Best Buy are selling out of the popular next generation DVD player.
that's a good price. Blu ray do something or risk loosing your lead. It's up to you. K-mart is like dead but you should know they also went with HD DVD because of price.
Sony messing with too much, they could end up F*cken on both fronts if they aren't careful.
PS3 owners buy BD discs
HD DVD cannot counter millions of new ps3 owners this XMAS.
HD DVD is almost gone in EU and is non existent in JAPAN
even in NA Transformers couldnt surge HD DVD past BD for even a singel week.
With Pirates and Spidey (on the 2nd with 40gig ps3) due this Fall u can determine the outcome of this war
BD : HD DVD this week. Transformer couldnt do anything
BD : HD DVD = 62.2 % : 37%
with spidey 3 due this week u can predict the sales next week
HD-DVD was dead on arrival. Now it's the same price as that gimmick add on for 360? Whooptie f*cking doo. Truth is there's over 6 million blu ray owners and will be over 20 million in 2008 alone. Blu-Ray is going to dominate right along with DominationStation 3 and if you dont see that, you're blind.
P L A Y B 3 Y O N D
"Blu ray need not do anything
PS3 owners buy BD discs
HD DVD cannot counter millions of new ps3 owners this XMAS.
HD DVD is almost gone in EU and is non existent in JAPAN"
I hope the BRA listens to you, at least long enough for this to become a stalemate and til the only option is dual format. I don't have any preference for either, but this war is ridiculous.
If the BR camp was really as sure of things as you are they wouldn't be having rallies and flaming press releases every couple of days. So I might be disappointed.
This is just a clearance sale of the old model players. People are probably picking up copies to sell years from now as novelty items on eBay.
Looks at worldwide BluRay vs the dead HD-DVD format sales.
Yep, HD-DVD still dead...
I'm pretty sure there are like other companies, that you know, support blu-ray too. :O
Blu Ray is already in a good position. However, I think Sony needs to do whatever possible and match anything Toshiba doe's to make sure they keep that lead. If they can't lower the prices of stand alone BR players. At least make Blu Ray movies a couple dollars cheaper. I actually think this would be a bigger counter than lowering the price of hardware. I remember reading somewhere that they have found a new way to produce cheaper Blu Ray movies.
You can tell by his fanboyistic trolling posts.
Guys, let's face it, HDM as a whole isn't where neither side wants it to be. Please don't preach BD is outselling HD DVD in other regions if you are from North America. History has already proven countless times that a format can run on it's own in each region. Are you from EU or Japan? No, then why brag about it?
To be on topic, this is good news! Toshiba is trying to enter people's homes with HDM unlike what the BDA seems to be doing, by relying on a game console (PS3) and worrying about disk sales.
Wanna see something on why disk sales don't matter right now?
http://photos-226.ll.facebo... That shows Spidey BD set is outranked by an unknown comic's DVD.
Embrace both, be a movie fanboy, not a format fanboy.
I just find it hysterical how the Sony fanboys are the only ones to publicly preach how HD DVD is dead when in fact in NA it is gaining momentum. Both formats are great. Neither do anything better than the other. I won't get into, I don't want to school you guys.
Interesting Blu-Ray is still in the best position but it depends how many general consumers now buy hddvd not the ones just waiting for a price drop, we should hear from the blu-ray camp soon there very vocal...
NOOOO, but theres a 40GB PS3
man there are gonna be a lot of pissed of hd-dvd adopters next year. oh well
why? i can't wait for one or the other to fail, because that's when i'll be picking them up along with cheap next-gen movies. it'll be great.
see the BD : HD DVD disc sales trends .
BD is extending lead all over . SPiderman 3 has hit the scene too and we see its effects with the 40 gig on 2nd November, 2007.
I wont be surprised if BD extends it lead massively over HD DVD this XMAS given BD's better lineup spearheaded by Spidey 3 and Pirates 3
Only Spiderman 3 and Pirates 3 are absolute $hithole movies. And it looks like HD-DVD is extending it's lead in stand alone player sales , as proof in this story. So you may want to rethink your perdiction.
WE ARE DOOMED! Just kidding. BD will still beat out HD-DVD. At least thats my opinion.
Edit; Heh. I love it how everyone turns into an analyst when these "news" stories come in. For all products, 360, ps3, bd, hd-dvd, etc it will take a fraction of time for the mud slinging to start. Therefor I will become an analyst as well. I am looking closely because exclusives will win this war I think and they are with BD. I am not making this up but starting with this week, the sales will be really good for BDs. I personally thought it was sad when Paramount had to fudge the data to make it seem news worthy for transformers and that says it all.
The public is starting to speak , and they like the price of these HD-DVD players. This news as well as the K-mart\Sears news = a pretty good day for HD-DVD.
For PS3 & BR fans, the Xmass sales results published in january are going to cause them to commit suicide.
They have *no* idea what a $198 HD-DVD player means to the marketplace. How many households are going to buy a new disc player for their new plasma/LCD TV? How many Dads are going get a $198 player for his Entertainment Center from wifey/kids?
Mark my words -- right it down and PM me in 2008 -- the Xbox 360 and HD-DVD are going to dominate this holiday.
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this will be approved thanks to number of approvers but it will be taken off by N4G mod later. It happened before. Just watch.
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no links to websites, this isn't a place for it
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that was an article predator . this is not an article
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Blodmask that 197$ HD DVD story has been posted already. You cannot link to a retailer but an article
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Linking to retailers is getting old.
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ur trolling is getting out of hand POG=RP= BLOOD MASK = EVIL ANGEL = ELIET GAMER
How mancy accounts do u create for approving flamebait topics
The Sony Fans are abusing the Report system to stiffle pro-Xbox 360 posts.
This has been rampant for weeks now.
Geez power of green....YOU, talking about bias? and for the millionth time on this site, the pot calls the kettle black.
Linking to retailers like Best Buy, beit when it comes to the PS3 or this, is stupid. But the PS3 story about this was approved so should this be and..voila..
Everyone happy now?
I can understand as to why the PS3 story would have been of interest as people here actually own the console. Yet something tells me very few people here, especially those who constantly submit stories regarding HD-DVD only, have that format player.
once again you're speaking way too rashly (and a little immature).
C'mon, every day I literally scroll past 10-12 "Blu-Ray pwns everything" threads... yet you're putting up a hissy fit over one postive, HD-DVD format post? Hell, this is not even a rumor, or an analytical prediction- this is NEWS, Meus. If you don't like it, don't come into this thread, man.
To be honest, I don't even agree w/ every single thread posted in N4G, but still... you don't see me saying "well, Blu-ray is not as popular as DVD- so this is all irrevelant". No, not cool, Meus. Weaksauce, if you ask me.
Sorry, I didn't mean to come across too strong, but I'm tired of you always picking on Bloodmask. This story is clearly legit, there's no denying that. If it makes you feel better, why not find another MILLION plus "blu-ray pwns everything" articles to illustrate how this little piece of information is "irrelevant".
Firstly I don't appreciate you always replying to me starting with your sentence on commenting on how immature you perceive my comments. One minute you're praising me, the next you're patronising me. Ironically you're motive is to defend someone or something because you consider me an issue - yet you rarely ever refer to the ones universally considered immature and annoyance.
You read my post wrong. I made several points.
1. Ofcourse the story is legit. The idea of an item being sold out in a retail store is pointless to the actual site. If it was sold out in several retailers then I can understand that. That's just my opinion. The only reason why I approved this story was that because people like POG said that the PS3 story being sold out at Best Buy was also approved. Yet I could right now submit a story of e.g. PS3 sold out at Amazon, and it would fail approval, rightly so. Stocks are replenished and so on, but being sold out at a retailer at which we don't know the details of how many were in stock and so on is questionable in terms of actual significance and news worthy. I don't report against News, I only approve them so not to offend people who unfortunately come across and submit duplicates.
2. I wasn't specifically talking about Bloodmask but people who constantly bias towards HD-DVD as if they themselves have any interest in the format which in most probability they do not even own. It's the console fanboy wars all over again, except they neither own a Blu-Ray player or a HD-DVD player which makes the bias even more stupid. That was the jist of my comment and I don't see it to be immature at all.
I don't really comment or take much interest in threads about the format wars but I made an observation which is accurate in my eyes. If people disagree then that's fine and I'm not bothered but please don't refer to it as immature just because you disagree.
You yourself make interesting comments but when I disagree with you I do not take it upon myself to publicly correct you or confront with such a derogative and, honestly, quite rude tone. It just seems a constant thing with you in regards to me, so just put me on Ignore because I'm not in the mood to turn this into a drama novel.
On a personal note, you should focus your energy and effort into defending others on the forum who are more deserving than Bloodmask or whoever you think I was attacking. And next time you criticise someone for what you perceive to be inappropriate behaviour - you should fashion your response appropriately instead following their path. I'm not interested in what you say anymore - you're on the list, because I just don't seem to care any longer.
"... the popular next generation DVD player".
If HD-DVD is popular, I wonder what that makes Blu-Ray. How is someone, when they post about BR, going to top that description. It's like the advertising campaigns Toshiba and Sony & Co use.
HD-DVD = High Definition
BR = Higher Definition
I guess we'll have to use "..the best selling next-gen disc format" or something glamorous
these HD movie war news were slightly relevent to gaming, now its getting out of hand, theres more posts about this crap than there is about games...
its like most of you just need something meanless and out of our hands to argue over, GO PLAY SOME GAMES...
They are the ones that dragged movies into the gaming news. hell if i didnt have any games worth playing i might actually give a crap aout this format war. But I got games so....I dont care about hd dvd or blo-ray
Of course it sold out after two price drops in the same week. First it dropped from $230 to $200 and then it drops to $180. HD-DVD fails. It's really a catch-22. The more they sell the more money they lose, the less they sell the less of an install base that will buy hd-dvd software.
a sell out at $200 was obviosly going to happen, but it wont help, im sure blu ray has a trump card up there leave that they are waiting to release right before black friday. i feel bad for all these people that just bought into a dieing product.
These people should actually feel great for picking the winning format. You will see soon enough , if you take off your blu glasses.
wow, so the 2 units they had in stock sold already.
That PS3 should keep the lead always with a price drop. So I assume that's what should happen with HD-DVD now... we'll see.
Then again, the blu-ray camp will probably fall asleep and do nothing about it. Isn't that right, xbots?
toshiba player coming out soon?
anyways besides everything thats going on and cetain retailers and studios taking sides..
What would happen if it will if HD-DVD players start to sell like hot muffins, at retailers that sell a lot to casuals?
regardless of the Ps3, sony is confusing shoppers, thats why they do not count the PS3 as a stand alone. most consumers will not get a ps3, they will look for a cheaper verion that plays HD.
I wonder if a price war can turn things around...like they say is BD alreayd won, there wouldn't be a need for such offenses..
HD-DVD has been dead sence you Blu-ray supporters first heard of HD-DVD and it will be dead for the rest of time regardless of facts or place in the market mua hahahahaha.
Die HD-DVD die...
(HD-DVD can share half the market and more and still be labeled as dead by fanatics)
I read somebody talking about when people start buying PS3 it will hurt HD-DVD this Xmas as if any video game cosnole fanbase can ever compete against the DVD super power base.
Xbox 360 has been dead upon the PS3's arrival....
Power of the cell...yeaup
somebody forget to tell developers..
Now wil the average gamers have the setup to see such benefits..hmm probably not but MONSTER CABLE company will love you.
Can anyone tell me what HDMI 1.3 is and if its worth getting a specific cable for that function?
N4G users say:
Hell NO! And I disagree w/ your question. Think of a better one...
I don't anything about HDMI 1.3, by the way. I just felt it funny that two people disagreed.
Depends, HDMI in general in useless as of right now. The only true difference aside from price that it offers is that its 1 cable vs 5 or 6. But there are cases where one can look better than the other because of your TV. So its kind of hit or miss.
But ohh if you do end up using HDMI don't get suckered into buying the 120$ cable, just by the 30-40$ one. Its the same quality.
Here's a few articles from audioholics Meus... hope this helps!
Understanding Ver. 1.3
Ver 1.3 Q&A
great we got people who dont know that all the great movies is with blue ray..oh well when hddvd died ill have my blue ray ..
I was going to type something new... but since blu-ray fanboys are as predictable on what they say about HD DVD I'm just going to COPY/PASTE what I wrote from another article earlier today... (Changes in brakets )... LOL.
"hehe... as usual.. let's undermind anything or anyone that favor HD DVD... just like all you blu-ray fanboys did with wallmart [and K-Mart]... lol..
You people make it sound as if "[Toshiba HD DVD A-2 players sell out at Best Buy]" helps blu-ray and hurts HD DVD... The format war may not depend [on Toshiba HD DVD A-2 players sell out at Best Buy]... but it's something... most war are fought in small fronts...
Fact: Whether this move helps a little or a lot... help is help.. no matter how you put it."
ohh yeah... if another article about possitive HD DVD news comes out... feel free to mentally post this comment on that one too...
"let's under mind anything or anyone that favor HD DVD"
but i guess when you under mind the PS3 thats somehow ok then...
war is getting annoying!
BDA has to act fast!
um bluray is fine.40 gig ps3 almost here.bluray will wn.hd should be worried nt bluray
I think standalone HD DVD reached the price point... where if someone is looking for only an HD player and can care less about games... the $400 PS3 is no longer a bargain.... $179.99 vs $399.99 .. see the gap?
No longer will the PS3 affect the format war among those that don't care about gaming...
mmm... at this price.. I wonder how long until Microsoft drop the price of the HD DVD addon...
But isn't the PS3's primary function a Games machine?
Why would people who only care about movies buy a video game system? Also a $200 HD-DVD player is half of a $400 PS3 dude. It's a big difference.
that HD-DVD player is $200 plus 5 free movies with mail in re-bate.
Thats a smokin deal for a family holiday present.
they are throwing their money on a DEAD product...
thanksgiving and christmas are coming
Being a parent, if you want high def movie, and you do have kids, spending 200+200 on a PS3 is a much better deal than a crappy 200 HD DVD player...(and it makes their kids much happier too)
And hey..since when american care about so much about money, from my understanding, americans tend to spend more than they earn right, they want better product, not the inferiors
And what makes you think someone who only wish to spend 200 on an entry level high def player is going to buy a lot of HD DVDs?
spending 200+200 on a PS3 is a much better deal than a crappy 200 HD DVD player...(and it makes their kids much happier too)???
Or they pay $200 and buy an HD-DVD player and the Transformers movie...again kids are happy.
Plus a vast majority....I mean a VAST majority of parents are not going to want to / can afford to pay $400 for a game console and no games... when they could spend that same money on a ton of other gifts and toys and still get an HD-DVD player for the family.
PS3 is still for the hardcore gamer...
spend 200 and transformer movie, and the kids are happy for 2hours?
Again i am talking about a majority...a majority of parents can't even spend 500 for holiday buys? I doubt it
You keep saying $400 sounds like a lot and there is NO GAME..
hmm i am not gonna argue with you on NO GAME coz it really depends, i turn my PS3 on for 10 hours a day to play my games and i am happy...
400 isn't a lot to americans...face it, the average monthly salary in america is like 4000 and if they can't spend 1/10 of it during the biggest holiday of the year its pathetic...
and hey? 400- HD DVD player=200 and tons of game/toys for what? assume they don't have xbox 360/wii, they can't even buy the arcade or wii...
ya maybe a lot of toys, from KB toys, and how long do the toys last? A week? Parents are smart, and you consider them all dumb....
"400 isn't a lot to americans...face it, the average monthly salary in america is like 4000 and if they can't spend 1/10 of it during the biggest holiday of the year its pathetic.."
Sure they will spend upwards of $400 on little Johnny or Suzie....but again MOST parents want to give gifts not just a "gift". And if they can buy little Johnny a ball glove, clothes, a couple action figure toys whatever he is playing with these days...and get him up and about, instead of sitting infront of the TV for 10 hours a day like some others apparently, then they are way happy.
The world does not revolve around playing games my friend. I appreciate you loving your PS3 and it making you happy... BUT more and more child obesesity is becoming an issue and sitting infront of the TV is a major player in that. Parents are getting pressures from all around to start taking the health of their child into consideration. Hence why the Wii is also gained so much attention.
Obviously you arent a parent nor of the age to appreciate raising a child. Thats ok, but you need to understand that there is so much more to consider when talking holiday gifts than giving video game systems.
but the truth always comes the opposite
if parent do care so much about kids these days...the obesity rate won't keep up increasing every single year...compensation purchase from parent that is, they don't have time to care so much about all the things you mentioned...
and btw yay its christmas and you think there are parents playing ball games with kids on playfield? ya sure there is, but i doubt there will be more than just a few
and hey! you are right i love my ps3, but the point is...blu ray gonna win with or without PS3...even if there is no PS3, Sony can release a CHEAP blu ray with no gaming function for sure
Look, certainly BD has a nice lead due to the PS3...BUT...the PS3 is not a MOVIE driving unit. It at the end of the day is a GAME driving unit.
Blu Ray camp had better start looking at the real numbers that matter which are stand alone High Def players..because those are going to drive movie sales. Sure, sure all the PS3 owners on here are hardcore and have bought both movies and games..but I highly doubt the vast majority of PS3 owners have gone out and bought BD movies.
Also...up until recently the PS3 was the cheapest high def player on the market (i dont count the 360 add-on because that requires a 360). That is no longer the case ...and by a considerable amount. No longer are people looking for a high def player saying wow the PS3 is the cheapest one. Sure its a great value for game players but for people just looking for a new high def player...HD-DVD is looking very attractive.
Wow 18 HD DVD players sold out already?
well when u buy the ps3 its for games ofcourse.look i baught it for games then when i got i found out about the bp player.i have baught about 15 movies so will other people.im sure thats how others do it with their ps3.im a gamer and with ps3 i get the added bonus of hd movies so i utilize it and so will the people who buy ps3 in the future
loering the price of bd players now would surly crush hddvd but if they dont i still see bluray doing just fine
The reason is...the PS3 uses it. Just like the PSP uses UMD.
HOWEVER....Nobody else uses UMD...its a very, very small market outside of PSP games.
That same fate could come to the PS3. Blu Ray would be the format for all PS3 games...but it may loss its following outside of games if Sony is not very aggressive on the standalone player front.
by Sony into buying into their unfinished Movie Format.
It is not to late though you can still change to HD-DVD.
Players are Hot!!!
game in the uk only sell blu ray also toys r us them stores alone total 1200 plus never seen hd dvd there
"The look and sound of stupid"
the diffrence between umd and bluray is bluray is in everything.hddvd only being used for movies.bluray car radio bluray camcorders bluray games bluray movies and bluray pc drives.u see the diffrence
dont sweat guys.bluray is in a perfect position im sure they anticipated this.imagine the price of bluray players drop to 200 plus the ps3.im sure sony and bluray have an ace up their sleeve.it certainly would be fatality for hd.but us debating is useless.lets just wait and see
Stand alones will decide this war not combo units like the PS3.
Has anyone considered the fact that standalone HD-DVD players are kickng standalone Blu-Ray players azz? Also,including these SOLD OUT players from "BEST BUY". At the end of it people will realize the true numbers when it will be revealed.
ill leave you guys with this and thats it for me on this thread.this is blurays war to lose.they have two options.drop the price of stand alones to about the same as hd players and crush hd once and for all or they can chance it and see if the ps3 can fend off the hddvd offensive.lets wait and see what happens.somehow i think bluray hasnt played its trumpcar yet so we will see
But can Sony afford to lose $300 for each Blu-ray player sold given that they've been using that money to offset their $300 per unit loss on PS3?
I love reading posts that actually turn out to be a small sketch of a soap opera.
I have read threw some of the comments made on this thread, and to be quite honest i'm disgusted at the fact that about 50% of them were just strait up stupid comments about one person making rude comments to another. Their posts people get over it!!!!!!
Now to get back on track, i think HD-DVD still has a chance. I know their not in the lead rite now but they still have potential. Look at sears (K mart owned) with them selling only HD-DVD's, that is going to help them out significanlty. Alot of people go shopping at sears for TV's and electronics and an HD DVD player at that low of price is going to just fly off the shelfs. Now i own a HD DVD player for my xbox 360 and i also own a ps3. I honestly think the picture and sound quality is equal. Well maybe a little in favor of HD DVD on sound. But not any thing to make that much difference. None the less both are good products. I say let it drag on with the format war. The longer it goes on the cheaper the players and the software are going to be. Good for the consumer.
They had about 100 on the online store. They are liquidating the hd-a2 to bring on the new model