Russian giant 1C has told CVG that certain "bullying" UK retail chains HAVE put pressure on game publishers by refusing to stock titles that come with a Steam client in the box.
Can't wait for the UK high street to die. Full of rats plaguing the streets and shops.
Retail what is retail ? havent been to one in 3-4 years. Steam FTW.
Thats High Streetist!!!
You must live in the country side or some little pointless city that no ones heard of lol. All I see on the high street is hot woman everywhere and 'rudeboys' thinking their it.
@game/gamestation...try not selling PC games at £39.99 and people might actually buy one from you. steam FTW.
Amazon and Ebay FTW
really like steam its a shame that retail does anything they can do to get the game without that logo on it
one piece at a time. Steam hurts retail but helps me. Amazon does the best job out of all retail stores btw.
I wish a retailer would just say "Okay, see how that works out for you" "I'll still be here in 6 months if you decide different"
You guys have no idea how hard it is for a video game retailer. I'm not talking about gamestop, though I hear that they are in trouble. "Bullying" retailers?? Get the fuck out of here. If anyone is a bully here is amazon and steam. Imagine those small mom and pop stores who's livelihood depends on their little videogame store. Also, they can't even come close to some amazon deals since a mom and pop store can't buy 10,000.00+ of the same game but amazon can so they get it cheaper. Also, amazon or steam aren't buying from wholesalers like mom and pop retailers do. If you guys want to knowa new release is $50-$52 wholesale. So you tell me how much profit that leaves to retailers. So shut the fuck up because you have 0 clue about how hard it is to be a retailer in video games.
Retailers ditched the PC along while back when they gave most of the space to console games. Services like Steam gave PC gamers an excellent alternative to buy games online. Had it not been for Steam i think PC gaming would have been in a tought spot. If the same retailers are now butt hurt about how good Steam and the rest of the DD have its their own dam fault. Anyways they still have their console market, though that may not last too long either if next gen MS and Sony start releasing games on DD day one.
HAhahaahhaha mom and pop videogame store, for some reason that sounds hilarious, omg I just had so many visuals for that trying to make it look normal but all i coud think of was this http://www.youtube.com/watc... only to 34 seconds, hahahah omg all those poor mom and pop videogame shops
Retailers ditched it because someone can buy a game, that's really just a steam release on a disk. Install the game use the key have it up and running. Then take the game back and say it doesn't work and demand a refund, get it and the store has a non-useable copy of the game that would be a post-sale item on the shelf. Someone buys that copy and tries to use the key and it won't work and take the game back saying the use has been used and demand a refund again and the store would have to comply as the game can't be used at all. That is the real problem. Steam removes the need for a retail store, which for some is great but for others is a problem. As some people can't or won't get a credit card or if they do won't use it online so steam is completely useless for these people, same if you don't have a net connection or one that has a decent speed or quota to be able to download the games, people simply won't use steam. If the retail store does go away then the publisher loses the sales as those chains won't buy from them (so that's presales and shelf stock that's before the game is released) and people who wouldn't buy the game from steam but in a store won't be able to buy it either. The other people who lose out are the people who would have been employed by these video stores. Most stores have swapped to console games because they are all disk and while you can download some games many you can't. Overall these retailers aren't killing themselves but more or less forcing publishers to stop sending them steam releases on a disk so they don't have to support another distributor at their own cost and to force them to be online only releases. This would mean 1C would only get money when a sale is made and not get a major bundle of cash when a retail chains buys up for all the stores in the chain. So if a 1C game only sells 2 copies for a week then it gets $28 for that week, that is it and I wonder if they could survive like that.
@zag Devs/pub dont instantly get a large chunk of cash for the goods that they sell to the retailers. In fact a retailer only pays for games that actually get sold. THIS CASH IS PAID TO THE PUBLISHER IN ABOUT 3 MONTHS FROM TIME OF SALE. Any game not getting sold is returned back (the Dev/pub) actually has to bear the losses of the returned copies. In comparison there is no stock for digital games, so there can be no returns. Anything sold on digital is PAID TO THE PUBLISHER WITHIN 1 MONTH OF SALE.. Also digital version of sale is atleast 2x as profitable as retail. Here is a link for your reference: http://www.computerandvideo...
"Someone buys that copy and tries to use the key and it won't work and take the game back saying the use has been used and demand a refund again and the store would have to comply as the game can't be used at all. That is the real problem. " Err... what? O.o Don't all PC games have CD-Keys? You can easily do the same steps you described using a non-steam retail game.
There's no pity in business, so the best sellers win. The best should win(Amazon, Steam) and the rest should keep up or....move to another business before they die.
What this guy said
1 - Retailers add no real value. They distribute, that's pretty much it. If online (both physical and electronic media) can do it cheaper, all the better. 2 - There are no mum and pop videogame stores. Not where I live (Brisbane). There are chains that grossly overprice games though. 3 - On the whole though, if Steam dominates PC gaming too much, the result will not be good. Valve is a business like any other, if they get too much monopoly power they'll just jack up the price. They already trick Aussie buyers here by advertising US dollar prices but really offering inflated prices which are actually localized. Yes that specifically is driven by distributors but the point stands.
Video game retail, like everything else in the world, really just comes down to the law of the jungle. Eat or be eaten. Amazon and Steam are at the top of the food chain in their respective fields because they put themselves there. Mom and pop stores are the gazelles and online retailers are the lions. That is just how the world works. No sense crying about it.
These same video game retailer abandoned PC games for lack of shelf space and profit and now they want back in because they saw how much money Steam is making? GTFO!
I know its gotta be hard, but certainly not impossible. If a store doesn't want to put the game of the shelf or has a problem putting a game on a shelf due to STEAM and the CD-Key problem. Simply don't give refunds.
Steam is a great idea that is poorly executed. It really needs an overhaul, there is no reason is has to be so heavy, and I hate how you are forced to install it on some games, that is BS. That's ok though. Digital "retailers" are goning to soon hit a major snag, and it's called internet usage limits. More and more ISP's are starting to do this, and it's just a matter of time before it becomes the norm, and when that happens, you can say bye bye to both Amazon and Steam. I dont like it, but it's coming.
Steam is as light as it can be, unless you are running a computer 7-8year old single core PC.
Steam isn't light. At least as far as a way of giving you the ability to merely play the games you've bought. It's not quite the iTunes of gaming (it doesn't force you to install a QuickTime equivalent) but let's face it, it's designed to sell you things when you may simply want to play what you bought.
He means install a steam game from disk. then you need to be online to activatie it, if you can't get online you can't play the game. If the game has a 2 gig patch like some do straight up and some Devs these days think that is fine and dandy to do if your connection is very slow it'll take many days just to download a patch and you can't play a steam game once a patch has started to download as it locks it. If you buy a brand new game and if it a new release lock then it only gets released when the USA version is released, so if you buy in Australia you have to wait 2-3+ days or more for the US version to be released, and you'll still be waiting as it'll only work the next day after as the system doesn't use GMT time bands. The only thing really going for steam is the sales that is it.
First off almost all companies have began to use usage limits. The ones that haven't only don't because nobody uses them. Steam is in no danger from this. As a game is what 8 maybe 10GB? That's IF we're talking a big game. Most come in much lower than that. The average allotment of download usage limits is 250GB (350 with some companies) unless you're some sort of downloading maniac. There is no way that should ever be an issue.
My ISP has usage limits but doesn't stop me from downloading multiple games per month.
Waaaaaaa we can't compete so.... so.. waaaaaaaaaa. You wanna compete with Steam? Offer up some deals like Valve does. Do that. Because trying to bully Steam, out isn't going to work. I have no issue with never buying a game from any place but Steam ever again, in fact I had no intention to.
So many people here supporting a platform that aims to reduce consumer choice. I also find it strange that no article dares to question what would happen to all your games once Steam closes down, what they'd decrypt everything for you? That's one IP nightmare. Steam is just another form of DRM that we all love to hate, only with a fresh coat of paint and a bit of convenience. I may get some "disagrees" for merely pointing out the reality of Steam by some Steam lovers here, but if you have half-brain at least, please tell me otherwise, because is a "cheaper" price worth a trade for true ownership that we get with a disc. Oh the irony.
"I also find it strange that no article dares to question what would happen to all your games once Steam closes down, what they'd decrypt everything for you? That's one IP nightmare. " 2 things here 1) They state in the TOS that they'll give the tools to make it so you can play without steam 2)People already made files that make it so you don't need Steam to play them. There I answered that for you.
1. What they say isn't necessarily what they'll do, you only have to look up N4G to find many games with broken promises of no ded services and mod-kits. 2. Why should I have to mod my files just to do exactly what I have pay to do: play my games? Do I have to jump over hoops that borderline what is illegal and what's not? I'm not arguing that Steam doesn't work, I'm simply asking why can't you just play the game, without having to logging into some 3rd party interface, is it because it's cheaper that makes it ok?
They just made a sale of around 1billion usd last year, why do you think they would close down? In fact they are more profitable then some console makers. If you feel so badly against Steam you can always buy games from D2D, Gamers gate etc. Most of us buy from Steam due to service they provide hence dont mind the DRM. DRM is only bad its intrusive and doesnt allow you to play what you paid for.
If anything Steam has given us the choice 1000's of games which we previously coudnt find at retail. Since retailers cant possibly keep stock on all games released. Its not like there arent other DD services competing with Steam. In fact its on consoles that XBL or PSN have no competition. You wont find another service selling XBL or PSN games. Further more funny people dont consider when buying games on a console, as soon as the next box releases you run the risk of not being able to play your entire old library(if the old box fails).
The "1000's" of games are always accessible if you do it a quick search, whether it'll be from the idie studios own website or from an online retailer that can stock a larger range as they are not bound by shelf space. This way you are not bound by the steam platform and your profits can go directly to a more local community or to the developer themselves rather than some random Washington corporation known as "Valve" All DD services are like this, I'm not singling out Steam. Consumers should start buying more retail and less DD. I'm beginning to feel Publishers are taking advantage of this new digital trend to push for less ownership clauses and more reasons for arbitrarily valued DLC.
New games I buy from DD, old games on sale I buy from Steam. I get the best of both worlds this way, and retailers...you can go to hell. There's a reason why digital sales have gone up, and thats not because retailers are so awesome.
Why do that, its not like youre allowed to trade in your old pc games for credit. Suprised activision havent taken action upon this
I have no sympathy for retailers. I watched my PC games selection dwindle since the new console generation. It was their own fault for this and I went to the best place I could buy my games without waiting for shipping. If all the retailers fail, it is their own fault! But I will never buy another box copy of anything, ever!
drm on disc games is a fucking virus. i am sick of disc games that force steam on you, virus in disguise drm and all. i don't believe that drm is even legal. how can anything that locks the entire product to a single user and prevents us from exercising our legal right to transfer ownership of our purchase to somebody else be legal? and don't give me the old "it's in the license agreement", because that will NEVER override the law. and what happens if valve shuts down? well then, you're fucked.
So they're not going to stock the PC versions of Call of Duty? Duke Nukem? Deus Ex 3? Portal 2? FEAR 3? Oh well, they're just missing out on sales.
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