DICE Dev: Some 'Console gamers have really no idea' on what a modern PC is capable of

GB: "I dont know why but some PlayStation 3 fans are disappointed by the recent demonstration of Battlefield 3. According to us it looked pretty phenomenal and come on...you cant really expect it be out perform a full blown gaming PC."

[fluffydelusions]

This guy speaks the truth, though the keyword is "some"

[gamingdroid]

That is because console manufacturers are holding us back, they need to release a new console NOW!

Developers are trying to squeeze juice out of stones at this point. A new console, will instantly give you a leap that only PC gamers can enjoy if the game is optimized. There aren't many, but they do exist.

[Jezuz]

YES, everyone who just bought a PS3 has enough money to buy another next gen console. SO OBVIOUS !

/s

[ct03]

Well, Jezuz, if you "just" bought a PS3 then I really don't sympathize. I'd never drop several hundred dollars on 5 year old hardware.
I'd rather save up a little longer and buy something more up-to-date.

[stevenhiggster]

Actually, its the developers holding themselves back. Why don't they make PC the lead platform and then scale back the console versions as required? That is what DICE are clearly doing and hopefully now that they have it will open the gates to more devs doing the same. And only when that starts to happen will console manufacturers sit back and think "hmmm... maybe we need to get some new hardware out sooner than later.
But like I said, consoles aren't holding back PC development, developers are holding back PC development.

[Sharingan_no_Kakashi]

Old tired argument. PS3 isnt holding PC back any more than Wii is holding PS3 back.

Anyway, The game is looking phenomenal.

[gamingdroid]

"YES, everyone who just bought a PS3 has enough money to buy another next gen console. SO OBVIOUS !

/s "

... and after an new console is introduced the current consoles are instantly obsolete. You may no longer play games on your "new" PS3, the PS3 will seize to exist and no more games will be released or sold!

/s

Let's not cater to the lowest denominator. Otherwise we would all be playing on the Wii right now. I like the Wii, but it ain't a replacement for my Xbox 360/PS3.

[malandra]

show us then

I don't see anything on PC now that far from what consoles can do, including Witcher 2 and Battlefield 3

most sites agree that U3 was the best looking game at the show, how can that be?

[pangitkqb]

The Battlefield 3 demo on PS3 looked great. If you want an even better looking version, get the game on PC.

The fact is, I love my PS3 and game on it all the time. HOWEVER, the Gaming PC i'm typing this message on is about 5 - 6 times MORE powerful than my PS3. Guess which platform consistently pulls off sharper visuals?

[awi5951]

Yeah uncharted doesnt come near witcher 2 on uber thats crazy sauce. The lighting engine in witcher 2 would blow up the ps3 like the death star. With 3 gpu in my pc im just running at 45 fps @1080p. It would take like 2 580's or 570's to max witcher at 60fps. Uncharted games look nice but the texture work on witcher 2 is crazy and the huge draw distances. And the crazy thing is witcher 2 is only direct x9. If it had direct x 11 all the textures would look 5 times better.

That's why i want to know how much direct x11 support will BF3 have. Because it takes flat textures and gives them geometry so they look real not a flat surface.

[ZombieNinjaPanda]

@Malandra

Show you some games that look better than what you listed?

Our own forums has a thread with 50 pages showcasing screenshots. How convenient

http://forums.n4g.com/tm.as...

[theonlylolking]

There are some good things that come out of console gaming.

1.Gives devs time to optimize hardware
2.gives devs time to learn new ways to use the hardware
3.Playstation exlusives

[saladthieves]

"show us then

I don't see anything on PC now that far from what consoles can do, including Witcher 2 and Battlefield 3 "

Here you go buddy:
http://www.youtube.com/watc... <-- Unlreal Engine Demo in REALTIME.

Nuff said.

[nopunctuation]

Gamers know what a PC is capable of, but the fact is PCs are not user friendly when it come to actually playing games and no one wants to play on a mouse and keyboard when you have a form fitting controller to play on. Graphics are one thing (im a major graphics whore btw) but we also need the other aformentioned stuff to really have a gaming system. I dont want to stick in a game and have the system say "sorry upgrage your ram, graphics card and CPU for 1000$" and then when I do that the game is still buggy and I have to play it on its lowest settings. That is not an efficient way to game at all.

[DragonKnight]

Wow, you can tell DICE is a PC developer. And they are really handling this badly.

Telling potential buyers "bullshit" when they bring up their admittedly infantile grievances, and saying console gamers have no idea about PC's, and generally talking down to potential consumers is a GREAT way to sell your game isn't it? /s

I personally have no interest in any part of this game, as shooters are not my forte or preferred genre, but you'd think that EA would reign DICE in when it comes to PR stuff like this. Afterall, alienating buyers by insulting their intelligence is never good for business.

[BattleAxe]

DICE is right about this, but I'm sure that if they were to use the kinds of techniques that Naughty Dog, Sony Santa Monica, and Guerrilla Games use, I'm sure that they could make the PS3 look better than it does currently, but I suppose that when you're developing for multiple platforms and you have a deadline, it might be asking too much.

[No Way]

So, 'good' sir, what do you do for a living, if I may ask?
Whatever it is, would you let some punk who doesn't know anything about what he is talking about, talk shit about the product you worked hard on?

[captain-obvious]

while consoles game fight over which games got better resolution and which game runs with better frame rate
PC gaming makes them look like clowns since you can run a game on max + more resolution AND 60+ FPS (sometimes even MORE)

[nickjkl]

yeah captain obvious if you have th right hardware for it

so its more like captain oblivious since you make it seem like all pcs can run every game at max

[captain-obvious]

with around 500$ sometimes even less
you cane get a PC that plays all current games on max

and that's what everyone paid when PS3 and xbox came out earlier this gen

you ppl make PC gaming looks impossible
lol

[nickjkl]

wrong captain obvious

when you say 500 dollar pc you mean at what ever resolution allows you to max out the graphics card at a stable frame rate

[DragonKnight]

@No Way: People talk sh*t about games all the time. It's those situations where you separate the wheat from the chaff so to speak. Real professionals wouldn't stoop so low as to insult potential buyers, affecting their own profit margins.

You have to have a thick skin and be made of sterner stuff than what DICE is obviously made of when your job has a vast public relations aspect to it.

I mean, look at Molyneux and Fable. Everyone is sh*t talking Fable The Journey, but is he coming out and insulting people with some kind of elitist B.S. attitude? No. He's working hard to make people see the game differently and even getting journalists who believe the game is NOT an on rails game to sign a wall saying so.

You don't piss off potential customers, that's a basic rule of salesmanship in any industry.

[Spydiggity]

what's not user friendly about steam? or any pc gaming for that mater? it's not like it's the early 90s and you still have to do your installs through dos.

[Nadasico]

@stevenhiggster I agree with you fully, though the biggest reason for Dice. Dedicating so many resources to utilizing the PC's latest and greatest is because one they have the budget and two the man power and three its a big PC title. So as nice as BF3 will look. Even if multiplatform games that were on PC as well and had the PC as lead. I doubt they would all look as good as BF3 does.

Not to mention for a lot of games out there PC is not their biggest platform. An quite a few multi plats come to PC later or not at all for that reason. The ones that do usually do what they can to do what they are capable of with what they have to work with an give each platform the best experience they can muster. Just as Frostbite 2.0 was designed with PC in mind as lead. Other developers have shown how dedicated single platform engines can muster the the best.

[gamingdroid]

I agree with you. People that work in an industry that exposes them a lot to the public should be used to criticism and handle it professionally.

It surprises me that the developer is sort of responding to those types of remarks in the first place, but the answer isn't much better.

[No Way]

I'm not saying I'm disagreeing with you, just to get that settled..
But, still, you stand up for what you believe in. That shows you care.
They believe in their game and they don't care to show it, to prove it.
And, as far as this article, they aren't 'talking shit' to potential customers.
It's the truth, and both of us know it. I don't even know what they capable of ..

Sometimes..
To get stubborn and ignorant people to understand, you gotta be harsh.
You gotta be blunt and just tell it how it is, and that's what they are doing.
Besides, was one developer posting these 'comments' on Twitter; this to Tor..
You can't (always) take what an individual says, as what the company says.

[zag]

What your seeing is the PC devs that have made a couple of console games on the side for the time being, come back to the real dev money maker the PC.

PC GFX cards are all stupidly fast that running at 2000x3000 resolution is a complete piss take, the problem for these cards isn't the card itself but the monitor because most can't do these resolutions.

That resolution is above 1080P

The 360 can't do 1080P for a start and the PS3 can do 1080P I think it's lack of ram might limit what it can do with that ram as the more GFX stuff you want to do you need some ram for the textures etc.

[zag]

"I mean, look at Molyneux and Fable. Everyone is sh*t talking Fable The Journey, but is he coming out and insulting people with some kind of elitist B.S. attitude? No. He's working hard to make people see the game differently and even getting journalists who believe the game is NOT an on rails game to sign a wall saying so."

Molyneux while a great Dev, always talks up his games.

Black & white was to be a huge morals type game where everything relied on that, and the animal AI was to be the very best ever used in a game.

Overall the morals part didn't work out because to get more areas you had to fight which means your always going to the bad side and the animal's AI wasn't a major thing most people would have left it to do what ever and didn't train it not that it did what you wanted 99% of the time.

Fable is a bit like black & white where your supposed to be some sort of god yet the game isn't ever really like that, it ends up being something else with minor bits of what he was banging on about 6 months before the game came out.

[JD_Shadow]

He wasn't being harsh. The first twitter quote on the site was from a random person who was asking them about "PS3 fluffers" (way to flame bait, if you ask me), not the DICE guy. The DICE guy was saying that those that normally play on consoles don't have the idea of just how powerful of a platform the PC can actually be. How is that insulting anyone? I played on consoles my whole life, and I just started doing PC gaming, and I've found it to be a really good experience, with the huge lineup of AAA and indie titles that look SPECTACULAR, and the DD platforms you have access to (Steam, GamersGate, etc.) makes your shopping life a HELL of a lot easier.

It sounds more like you're not respecting that people might have a different opinion than your own. You've done this on your blogs about the PS3 hacking incidents (which at least half of them are based on backwards logic, anyway), and you're doing it here, too. You can disagree, but do you have to be so damned offended that someone disagreed with you?

[gamingdroid]

Although I partly agree with you, the chosen words made it seem a lot harsher than it is:

"yeah some console gamers have really no idea what they are playing on or what a modern PC is capable of"

I suppose when you are typing something fast, you don't think how it "can" sound. That said, a person in his position potentially representing his company should be a little bit more careful when responding.

[sourav93]

I understand that the ps3 is nowhere close as powerful as modern gaming pcs. So It would be daft to expect pc quality on any console. However, the way DICE are saying this, is kind of making them look like jackasses. I know what they're saying is completely true. But things like "Oh..you are mad if you think the ps3 can do pc graphics" or "consoles will always be limited". It should be more like "we've tried our best to squeeze out as much as we can, and this is what we have achieved". It seems more polite that way.

[evrfighter1]

"However, the way DICE are saying this, is kind of making them look like jackasses."

does it?

have you seen the other top articles this week?

"BF3 on ps3 will not be 1080p QQ"

"BF3 on ps3 will not be 60fps QQmoar"

he's just stating the obvious. Sometimes the obvious isn't all cherries and rainbows.

[KingDustero]

Agreed. Dice doesn't have to be so rude about it. I myself would be getting the game for the PS3 if I got it. However the way Dice is treating the community is not pleasing me at all.

They could explain things in a much nicer way than calling us "fluffers." Of course there are some idiots who think the PS3 version should look EXACTLY the same as the PC version. This is ridiculous to think, however Dice should explain things more instead of throwing out insults.

So unless Dice starts treating the community better I'm not going to support their product.

[DragonKnight]

@evrfighter: "Sometimes the obvious isn't all cherries and rainbows."

True, but it also doesn't have to be a steaming pile of ape feces thrown in your face either.

[HardCover]

They already said the nice stuff. They said it looks great and they put a ton of work to make it the best they can.

Then they show.

Then the idiots speak.

THEN DICE talk down to THOSE people.

This is Twitter, not a press conference :/

[kuroukage]

Well, I'm sure it's because they're tired and annoyed of so many of the ignorant whiners complaining that it doesn't look like the PC version. This is a game intended for PC and they're just porting it for console to make more money. The proper version will be on PC and the dumbed down, low-res, control padded version is then scrambled together for the rest of you. So enjoy that! If you want to play it the way it's meant to be played...get the PC version and play it in 1080p max AA, max anisotropic, DX11, etc. Because all the pretty screens of it you see wont look like that on console. Oh that and you'll also notice they wont show anything above 720p and normal settings in comparison shots because it would just be 100x more embarrassing for consoles. ;)

[Valk]

LOL Saying the truth hurts some people i see.. What did they say that you foundso offensive? The truth.. They werent rude about it just honest about it...

Pcs being more powerful than PS3 might hurt your feelings but there is nothing wrong with stating a fact...

Its like someone saying I have a blue car and i respond" dont be so harsh man."
You're blowing this way out of proportion

[sourav93]

Don't people get what I'm saying? I'm not whining about the pc version being better. Heck, I'm glad because it justifies me spending around £1000 on my gaming pc. All I'm saying is that the replies by Dice to these whiners, even though they don't deserve it, should be more proffesional as they are the customers.

@HardCover I know this is Twitter and not a press conference. That doesn't change the fact that professionalism should always be priority.

When Insomniac revealed about their plans for going multi-platform, they were crapped on by many "fans" about being traitors on twitter. They responded profesionally, on twitter, by saying things like "We want to reach a greater audience so that everyone can enjoy our games". They didn't say "We're not exclusive to sony. We can do whatever we want. Multi-platform = more money".

[TheXonySbox]

thats fucking bullshit,

developers dont put the money into making a PC title today; very few. They would rather make a console version of one game and port it cross all; gimping the ability of PC titles 9/10 times.

BF3 is a rare title to have in the PC world that actually pushes the hardware.

Anyone who thinks consoles dont hold back PC gaming are clueless.

[KingDustero]

Consoles are NOT "holding" the PC back. Devs CHOOSE to focus on consoles because that is where the money is.

Just look, the MAJORITY of the best selling games are on the consoles.

I myself have no problem with a dev focusing on the PC version for once. I don't own a gaming PC right now, but it is good to see a developer pleasing their original fanbase.

The issue I have with Dice is how they're treating console gamers. It seems like the ONLY reason they're making a console version is just to get our money. They don't appear to want to please or support the console community like they are with the PC.

[Seafort]

Welcome to the PC gamers world.

Thats the only reason pc gamers get a port these days to fluff up the devs piggy bank :P

[50Terabytespersec]

WTH is all this??
over a FPS??
Native PC game??
Please!!
I read people squabbling about PS3 exclusives versus BF3 !! Are you guys all smoking crack??
The only Game that matches a PC pound for pound is GT5 Prologue at 1080p.
This is a 5 year old console versus a modern supper 400 dollar Video Card.
what i said stands, BF3 PC ,brought a sense of awe i got when i first saw GT5 Prologue on my 1080p Bravia.
PHOTO REALISM!!
*notice i didn't mention GT5(it is a mess a failure a blurry QQAA, visually compromised game,shame on Polyphony for adding more cars and lowiring visuals!!!!!! SHAME!!)
No 3d =Sprite Pixel crowds!!!!!)
PS3 can achieve BF3 but at certain cost!!!

Get the PC version !! and Play exclusives lesson learned!!!
(also if nextgen keeps doing this PC port BS!!! everyone just buy a console for 2 years then get cheap PC card and dump console. Play all PC games on 1080p settings with massive RAM gains etc .
Piratbay optional lmao

[RedDead]

GT5 looks better than GT5 prologue, resolution isn't everything. GT5, some tracks HAVE 3D crowd, others don't. That is GT5, it's more like GT4 HD, with some actual new stuff from this gen.

[50Terabytespersec]

Statements like "Resolutions isn't everything"graphics aren't everything BS!!! Pisses me off!!!

WTHU!!!
Hypocrites , Ill be damned if you prefer or still own a tube TV and use S-video hookups and play Flash games and Android games all day! OR better yet Emulations of 16bit all day???
And claim the gameplay is better (in many ways it is the same still)(push controller& buttons etc.)(but graphics has changed the most!!)
!HYPOCRITE!!Typical American hypocrite!

THERE IS A REASON we purchase and spend ($1000's )on 1080p HDMI,LCD, Plasma,LED,$65 games,Bluray,7.1,5.1,DTS, Imax,3D ,watch PIXAR,

I WONDER WHAT THAT WOULD BE???
GRAHICS HD GRAHICS!TOTAL IMERSIONS!!!!

Someday your grand kids will be having safe sex or watching porn in an HD imersive Enviornment,
While phony arrogant low def hypocrites like you will be still totting "graphics aren't everything etc... while you press buttons on your WII emulator,getting off on a 480p rendar of Princess Peach..!!!

For all you phony "Graphics aren't everything phony nay Sayers!!
Go dust off the Xbox 360 with no HDMI or get a PS2,a VHS, a cassete tape deck, and and stay the hell out of next GEN HD gaming world!!

[PR0X1]

uncharted is 1280x720 @ 30fps @ shitty AA and you think it looks good 5 meters away from the screen.

Hook up your ps3 to your pc monitor and than start playing. It will look like something from 2002 PC.

ANY new PC game is better looking than ANY game on this gen consoles.

[N4g_null]

Consoles are not holding back games the majority of gamers are. Before we all wanted the latest tech but current gamers have a weird sticker shock now. You can look at how ut3 bonded even though it was the best ut3 ever.

Some thing happened here. Then all of pc gaming dried up, it was quite weird. Maybe it's gamers not being able to afford their hobby any more?

[CommonSense]

i have a theory and it goes like this. when times are hard (financially, politically), people abandon logic and reason and critical thinking and objective observation in favor of feeling he comfort of belonging to a group. hard times are very polarizing. well, now that gaming is mainstream, it's being affected the same way.

people are too busy arguing pro sony, pro 360 (though not nearly as much), and pro PC (way less)...hard to find ppl who just stand in the center and make decisions based on reality.

PC gaming really isn't much more expensive...especially when you factor in the avg person probably gets a new pc every 5-6 years anyway..so that's already part of your investment. take the money you'd spend on consoles, and put that into upgrading your rig. i'm not saying this is what you should do, but i am saying that the financial investment is about the same. this is just about the comfort of belonging to a group. pc kinda got left out of that this generation. the reason for that, i think, is because PC isn't a brand...there is no giant faceless corporation to rally behind because so many companies can and do make PCs...not to mention the people that build their own.

anyway...just a theory.

[50Terabytespersec]

well said , the beauty to consoles is numbers!! how many users equals how much money is spent on massive game budgets for what console and what kind of game!!
equaling more of a incredible experience and detailed modeled world to play!
Sadly PC is easy to Pirate so Piracy has doomed all of PC from ever getting a game that will be anything, but a repetitive PC game(yes dead space,bioshi(ock)t etc..!
You know what im talking about PC gamers!!!
A game like GT5 or Uncharted,Gears of War,Killzone or even Shenmue could never get PC Only Exclusivity or financing!
unless it was multi-platform.
Sadly that has it good and bad as we seen what happen to Cyrsis 2 !!!
PC exclusive big budget game days over!(where is the real Unreal?!!!
I am still waiting for the UNREAL 3 Game, (after Aweakening)???? WTF is it??EPIC??
GEow is nothing but wattered down PC port BS for M$360 , Unreal has always been the Real Unreal!!
where is it EPIC???
remember Doom versus unreal???
PC versus PC!!!!
I'll gladly buy a 200 dollar Video card to play and Exclusive Unreal with MASIVE detail and 108p Visuals !!!
Bring it!!!

[N4g_null]

@commonsense
Most gets here own a 360, ps3, and a wii.
250-400, 500, 250. The recession has not stopped gaming as much. The ps3 was the price of a really high end gpu, the wii was a large ram upgrade and the 360 is the price of a good i7.

Also most of these gamers bought a HDTV which ranges from 700-3000 for a good one. So the money was still there but the bombs killed interest. Id had doom3 and quake 4 which where both a step in the wrong direction. Epic had unreal 3 which just killed the level design and just gave us pretty stuff to look at.

In both cases those games where not fun to play. Cyrsis was the same way great tech but I'd rather have a contra like adventure than a realistic one. If you strip the graphics off these games you see what I'm talking about.

people use to pay lots of money just to play a few games back then because the games where more fun than the eye candy tours we have now.

I think we are at the end of the tech race now. We are all sitting at the finish line now yet there is no winner because we forgot to make thaws games fun.

It's really sad how gaming is now about brands than game play. It's become a pop culture thing now. It's sort of loosing it's meaning.

[solar]

we are living in the "Cry Baby Generation". common sense seems to have gone out the window...

[CommonSense]

nah, i'm still here.

[solar]

hey you're back!! thank you baby jesus!! LOL!!!

[N4g_null]

The problem is hype. Gamers believe in that more than understanding what spec can actually do.

The hype train has derailed. The cell is a great idea but so where a lot of chips. Yet they have limits. The limits of gamers where much more tangible. You could see the games slowdown and you knew that was the limit. Now gamer believe that the programmer just isn't good enough.

This is really getting out of control. The developers good developers are being driven from this industry because of unreachable expectations.

It really started after the 16bit gen. Not sure how we are going to fix it.

[OdinX]

The problem doesn't lie in the cell processor, but in the dated gfx cards that all current gen consoles use. The total amount of dedicated gfx memory that both the 360 and PS3 use is 512MB. By today's standards, that is really, really bad. I run a single core comp with and 1GB AGP vid card and I can STILL run some modern games at high settings. I am planning to upgrade, but my bank is broke atm. X(

[subtenko]

PC gamers have no idea the most people just dont wanna constantly upgrade their computer more often than they want to for games when they could just buy a console that MILLIONS of people buy and play on surround sound with an hdtv all in the same room already set up to their liking...

Idc what the PC is capable of, I dont wanna upgrade every so often more than a new console comes out, I wanna everything to be in my living room

AND I wanna play Sony PS3 1st party exclusives that I cant play on PC dagonit! Hope you understand now DICE dev...

[tordavis]

So Gaming Bolt is using MY tweets to create stories now? This is front page material? Wow really?!

http://twitter.com/#!/torda...

[Wizziokid]

it's the sad truth that some people think consoles can match a PC, they need to realise that consoles are never upgraded with new tech until the next console gets released, where as PC can constantly upgrade to the new tech when it comes out. hence why PC's will always be ahead.

[ProjectVulcan]

Consoles are always built and designed to a cost as well. Designed to get the best bang for buck for the manufacturer when they choose the specification. Thus even when they are brand new they are rarely more powerful than a top end PC of the time, but thats ok, because they have various other advantages which can keep them pretty close to expensive PC hardware.

Once PC hardware moves on another generation however, the raw power of newer hardware is simply too much to match and wins the day easily as console hardware dates. Usually this takes no longer than a year. Clever tricks and sophisticated console development tools are superb at extracting maximum performance, but with unrelenting PC hardware improvement, they are no substitute for outright power.

We saw this with 360. It was never quite as powerful as a top end PC when it launched in late 2005- say an Athlon 64 X2 and X1800XT, but it gave fairly decent results.

As soon as the next generation PC stuff launched a year later, Core 2 and Geforce 8800 series, it was already outgunned. Thats how the industry works.

[kevnb]

its because pr keeps telling us they can, websites keep showing screenshots that make pc and console look the same, and microsoft wants us to think pc gaming is dead.

[Carnage]

Why would Microsoft want us to think pc gaming is dead? Hello! They are a software company. If you are using Windows on your pc they are making money.

[awi5951]

@wizziokid

Your right man what gpu was i using 5 or 6 years ago it may be the 3870. The people complaining are the people same people who will go out and buy COD running on the same COD 4 engine. These fangirls need to go get professional help or a girlfriend, hell a hooker lol. They need help bad man. I said hooker because no woman would have them lol.

[RahatR]

Yeah some people need to realize that pc has always been steps ahead

[Eiffel]

Not always, I've stated this before but it didn't really take off until 1990, computers generally at the time weren't built with the silicon muscle intended for gaming as consoles were designed for, specifically PC's of that time we're merely used for general work purposes. Sidecrollers for example were exclusive to consoles, as modern day PC's of the time couldn't simply do it, wasn't until in September 1990 where a project prototype entitled "Dangerous Dave, In Copyright Infringement" developed by John Carmack and Tom Hall of Id Software, showed the power of the PC, even by modern designed means, it just like consoles had a continuous refresh rate. This same prototype would later inspire the development of "Commander Keen." Among other developers were turning their attention to the PC as well, seeing it as a limitless platform.

Edit: People who disagree, disagree with the truth. Do a little research kids.

[stevenhiggster]

I fu**in loved Commander Keen! Someone really needs to do a modern re make of those games, imagine a 3D Commander Keen platformer! Id, make it happen!

[Jocosta]

You are right, PCs didn't really start getting regular upgrades until the voodoo years, like 96 through 99.

[XerockX]

Below the root- amazing game- IBM or apple ii - side scrolling adventure game released in 1984.One of my favorite games ever. My point is, you can make beautiful games with minimal hardware abilities. Talented artists can be an amazing asset!

[Carnage]

RahatR just means lately you know that. And besides not many of us were gamers in the early 1990's, that just makes us young not 'kids'.

But let just say by estimate that from 2001 to now PC gaming has always been steps ahead.

And to show how old you are I was born 1991 I'm turning 20 next month. Time has flown.

So I'm guessing your like in your late 20's early 30's to say something like that. And if you are closer to my age well your just being a prick.

[N4g_null]

Great stuff effil good stuff we need more people posting like this. Remember when there was such a thing as 2d and separate 3d video card excelliration.

[8bit_Nes_Rambo]

"Yeah some people need to realize that pc has always been steps ahead." This statement reminds me of communist propoganda, for some reason.

[NYC_Gamer]

remember pc can always be upgraded with new hardware[optional] while consoles cant

[LocO_o]

So why don the console makers just make the nex gen console upgradable? See ninitendo 64 expansion pack.

If we can upgrade Hard drives on our consoles why cant we upgrade specs.

[SoapShoes]

Because no one wants to pay more for that ****.

[RankFTW]

The reason that consoles aren't upgradable is to keep them at all the same spec. It would make the developers jobs harder if they had to design the game around different specs of the same console rather than one unified spec.

[ProjectVulcan]

Because of cost and the massive outcry that comes with splitting the userbase into the haves and the have nots.

The two biggest advantages of console gaming and development are that they are cheap, and that everyone has the exact same hardware to keep designing games simpler and gamers on an even playing field.

As soon as you make a machine user upgradeable you basically reduce or eliminate these two advantages. Remember the amount of people moaning that Perfect dark on N64 required the memory pak to play the whole game? I do.

[8bit_Nes_Rambo]

@ Estranged: You mad bro?

[LocO_o]

I get what you guys are saying but this has been the case for PC gaming for ages and I dont see it causing the developers any problem.

Crysis has a minimum and a maximum requirement to play the game - if you want to enjoy the game at 100% then you would play it at max setting and those who cant afford it will still play the game but not how it was meant to be played.

MS and Sony can easily make the 720 PS4 upgradable and keep the developers and fans happy. Halo CE HD remake also prove my point that one game can be played in different settings since you can pause the game switch from classic to modern instantly.

[MadDonkey]

You jus dont seem to get it loco. In order to have upgradeable processors that means straightaway you have to design simple modules and expansion ports to slot in with packaging and you have to have extra components all over the place to accomodate it like extra power capacity, defunct bits on the board. Think about how cooling would be far more difficult to do! You would have to make it foolproof and simple for idiots so no unscrewing and clamping and pasting etc all this would increase the cost of the basic machine a great deal.

Even then you would be limited by the speed of your buses on the main board which determine data transfer, so you cant just keep improving speed of processors and memory infinitely. You gotta replace the entire board sooner or later so why bother?

Imagine how much more difficult it becomes to give such a machine a warranty where there are loads of chimps bashing new bits of hardware into their machine that will be getting nice and hot. Its hard enough as it is to make a reliable console it seems on the cutting edge so just imagine what happens when you allow users to open up parts and add new bits and pieces they bought seperately or second hand.

Then you have more issues with compatability and developers deciding if they will make multi tiered games for different configurations which would OBVIOUSLY increase cost to developers trying to make the best games to compete with other. Right at the time Devs moan about how hugely expensive games are to make and how risky they are.

Then you have the userbase that would moan about why a game might require one specific piece of hardware to even function properly like the perfect dark example above.

Consoles are about simplicity so an idiot can set one up and use it. Ease of use. This defeats that idea.

[LocO_o]

@mad donkey

Now I get it : )

Did not think about that way but makes perfect sense now that you have explained it.

Please disregard all my other comment - feel silly now that I read your post.

Well a guy can only dream right. The reason I am not a PC gamers is because all my favorite games are on consoles Gears and Uncharted to name a few.

As long as games like Call of Duty continue to sell millions we gamers will always have to settle for what consoles can push.

[Kamikaze135]

Because there were only like..what? Two worthwhile games that support that expansion pack. Plus that upgraded RAM on a console and upgrading RAM can only take you do far. Now, a processor and graphic chips are what matter.

[DarkSpawnClone]

but thats the beauty of consoles as well its a double edged sword you don't need to upgrade it but they eventually go out of date i have a new gaming PC and it's a beast but i stil do 98% of my gaming on the PS3 because i find it more fun,graphics are great and all but it's the gameplay that's important.

I am happy with what i seen of the PS3 version,I don't understand why some weren't.I am not ready for a next gen console there are still alot of fun games to play but i think E3 next year we will see the next gen consoles for a 2013 release imo

[Tommykrem]

If it's going to be a graphics boundary pushing title on PC, then the console version isn't very likely to match it. But I think that PS3 gamers might've been expecting a little more after the likes of KZ3 and Uncharted 2. Anyway, I think it still looks pretty good, but Dice really shouldn't be trying to make the console crowd angry if they want to compete with MW3 in terms of sales.

[radphil]

@Tommykrem

So they should ill-inform people?

If some gamers feel to be angry at them for a truthful statement, then they might as well break away from technology.

I do agree they shouldn't make them angry, but c'mon, if some people believe that, then they're truly spoiled.

Edit: Had to clarify who i was talking about.

[NYC_Gamer]

they are not making anyone angry only select few on gaming forums are going all nuts.....the average gamer will buy the game and enjoy it regardless...

[Tommykrem]

Look, I think you might've gotten me wrong here. Probably because I'm often more into sales and marketing than the actual games :P
There's a HUGE difference between saying "Look, we can't make it look as good on consoles. Consoles are showing their age and most games these days will therefore look better on PC" and "PS3 fans don't understand game design" (even though it might be true in many cases), I don't mean to talk about sales, but I'd like to see Battlefield do better than MW. And people always seem to feel offended by different by having an inferior quality version of the same game. So all I'm saying is, pick your words carefully DICE. You've got a great game and it'll look good on PS3/360, focus on that. Not on that there are a lot of stupid PS3 fans out there, that's something you already know, don't ever think about or are (strangely) offended by. No need to ill inform.

[news4geeks]

"I don't know why but some PlayStation 3 fans are disappointed by the recent demonstration of Battlefield 3."

Again, who are these ps3 fans? This is the first time I can ever recall console gamers expecting consoles to compete with high end pc graphics. Someone made up this story for gossip and hits and managed to spread it around the net.

[Max_Dissatisfaction]

oh yes, how can we forget the ever going conspiracy against PS3 gamers. 'Someone' made this up to make them look bad. Just like someone started the death threat rumours against Wada for ffxiii going multiplat and someone started those petitions against devil may cry and tekken coming to 360. Yes, someone is always at fault, not ps3 gamers though. Because this ^ guy can account for every ps3 gamer in the world and knows that none of them expressed anger or disappointment.

[DarkSpawnClone]

and you can?,seriously why must every single ps3 gamer be blamed for what a few ps3 fanboy extremists have done why do people generalise everything it's not all that black and white.

[floetry101]

These "fans" are posting on Johan Andersson's twitter and they've made some stupid accusations. These single console owners truly blow me away with their garbage sometimes and it isn't indicative of everyone, but at the same time they don't do PS3 owners any favours by opening their mouths. It's occurring less and less here, but it's prevalent on youtube and twitter.

[Why o why]

How many of these anonymous ps3 complainers are actually ps3 owners. Twitter can be full of shi+ sometimes. No doubting there are some genuine ps3 owners but i think its getting blown out of proportion. There are some hardcore ps3 fans and fanboys on this site so you'd at least expect to see some of them complaining surely.

[montyburns000]

take a look around you. N4G is packed to the brim with ps3 fanboys, you can see the shit they spew in every MS or anti-sony article.

it makes me embarrassed to own a ps3 sometimes, then i just thank god to don't use PSN to play my multiplayer games.

[GarandShooter]

Congratulations on writing the stupidest comment I've read today.

Yeah, there's no shit spewing 360 or PC fanboys, is there?

Somehow, I'm supposed to be associated with or answerable for some asshole because we have a similar taste or made a similar purchase?

Man, I hope no mass murderers like vanilla ice cream, because I do and wouldn't want people looking down there nose at me like I'm associated with a killer.

Ditto for child molesters and black coffee.

And if there's any Canuck fans here, just wanted to tell you the lot of you are riotous, car burning, looting, poor excuses for human beings. /s

[akashkira54]

"Some 'Console gamers have really no idea' on what a modern PC is capable of" YEA, OK, tell that to the developers of uncharted and god of war, and gears. and the consels get wayyyy more games then the PC, red dead and la noire are only for the ps3 and 360 and they look amazing, i think that the next is coming next year but the consels can still create some amazing affects. and i dont want to play pc games on a 16 to 18 inch moniter cause thats what they usually play on.

[floetry101]

Whenever I see this kind of comment, I lose a little faith in the gaming community.

[hassi94]

Hahaha I know. What is this guy even talking about? He doesn't know how to write, you should make a point, take a quote and explain your point. He's took a quote, then not made any sort of real point - not explained anything and on top of that; wrote like a 5 year old.

[Veni Vidi Vici]

You really are incredibly ignorant. You have NO clue what you're talking about.

[Netic]

... GOsh... those kids will never understand that in uncharted and God of War there is no multiplayer with full building destruction, 64 players, vehicules counting jets, all happening at the same time. Uncharted is only scripted and the multiplayer has small maps with no vehicles and its like 16 players. Why do they keep FKN comparing these games to BF3...

[FragMnTagM]

@Netic

It's called being "special."

Their sense of entitlement is so high that they think that what they say is true.

[jrbeerman11]

dum dum

[darkequitus]

Akashkia54,

Thank your for proving his [dice dev] point.

[Theonetheonly]

asdf

[ct03]

I don't game on an 18 inch screen, but as an FYI: 18" @ 2 feet is the same size as 54" @ 6 feet.

I'd venture a guess and say that most people are actually FARTHER from their 54" than 6 feet. So they have an even smaller image.

[Theonetheonly]

hey what am i im at 26' and 2 feet.

1920x1200

[FragMnTagM]

24" here on my PC at 1920X1080 on ALL games.

[death2smoochie]

akashkira54

How old are you?

[TheOtherTheoG]

Right, where do we start...
Have you ever seen a modern PC game in action, or even just a screenshot from one? Well, I've attached a screenshot from Crysis, a 2007 game, just to show you. In comparison, there's also a screen from Uncharted 2,a 2009 game, probably the best looking console game. Note the lower resolution, jaggies, worse anti-aliasing, etc. Now compare both to the PC footage of Battlefield 3. Your average gaming PC has about 10 times the RAM, 15 times the processing power and a generation better graphics card than the PS3 or 360. Hell, the next gen consoles will likely only have the equivalent of a 6850 or something, which I have in my £400 budget-ish gaming PC, most top end PC's will still be far better by the time the new consoles arrive.

Secondly, in no way are games like Red Dead Redemption, LA Noire and Gears of War close to the stuff you can get on PC, none of them would really be classified among the absolute best consoles have to offer, let alone graphics. Even fairly average looking games on PC, like Portal 2 and Mass Effect 2, look far superior to any of the console only games you mentioned.

Next, the PC gets more exclusive games than consoles, fact. There was a thread on a forum somewhere with the 90 exclusives the PC has for this year, granted, most of them are indie titles, but that's still a lot more. I would find the link, but I can't be bothered.

Oh, and no-one in any way dedicated to gaming on PC would have a monitor below, say, 21", that's just how it is. Besides, a 22" 1080p monitor will always look better than a 50" 720p TV, it's all about the ratio between the size and the resolution.

One final note, I honestly don't know why I react in such great kindness (relatively) towards a post of your... calibre, I just feel you needed to get you facts straight... and maybe get through puberty as well, but that's another matter.

[ViserysTargaryen]

akashkira54 is the kind of console gamer Dice was talking about LOL. The ignorance of his irk is simply astounding. You simply can not expect PC quality graphics from a gaming console that have as much on board memory as a cell phone. The technology is simply too ancient and dated to compete with even an entry level gaming PC. It's time for a new gen of consoles.

It is know.

[Dannehkins]

I honestly do not know why DICE are bothering to reply. You get articles like 'PS3 owners...' and they make it sound like all of us went out to twitter and just bombarded DICE with insults about the footage shown.

This is probably a small, ignorant minority and I do not know why they are receiving so much attention from people. I am pretty sure there are many PS3 owners - like myself - who realise that a modern day gaming PC will wipe the floor with consoles.

I just wish we didn't have all these articles cropping up time after time again every time a new twitter post is made. Honestly.

[leonlion]

What they mean is there are some xbox fans posing as ps3 fans trying to give ps3 fans a bad name

[qwertyz]

what do you mean ? I've heard someone tell me that ps3 exclusives look better than anything on pc.some ps3 fanboys are more ignorant than 360 fanboys and its a fact. when was the last time you heard a 360 fanboy compare 360 to pc. ps3 fanbuoys do it ALL the time when their sh*ty console hasn't even been able to beat bulletsorm maxed out on pc lol YES bulletstorm pc destroys anything on consoles if you want to see for yourself go get a pc that can max it out.

[LarVanian]

Ok man, look take it easy. I get it that you hate PS3 fanboys but that doesn't make it fair for you to call the PS3 a shitty console. The PS3 is by no means a shit console. The fact it is producing games as good looking as Killzone, God of War and Uncharted and games that can support many players online such as MAG shows how great of a console it is.
Bulletstorm on PC may 'destroy' everything 'graphically' on consoles but I would sure as hell rather play something like Killzone 2 or LA Noire than a more glorified version of Bulletstorm anyday.

[jukins]

yea bulletstorm does look pretty good i have low-mid range pc and that game in particular runs hella smooth. gave me the pc gaming bug for a few weeks lol. but thats the problem with pc imo. one game will run awesome another you'll need to upgrade for it to run smooth. still tho anyone expecting consoles to match a GAMING pc graphics is just out of touch.

[M1chl]

I would say many : )

[codename13]

100% true. Those some console gamers are always too blind to see that.
Come on, its not about competition. We'll have to realize the truth. Every year PC hardware is changing. So developers are just simply doing their job by coping with hardware change, that's all.

[EliteDave93]

If developers dont like consoles THEN DONT RELEASE YOUR GAMES ON CONSOLES! Im sick and tired of devs complaining on consoles and always talking about PC is the " best ".

Dear Dice dont develop for consoles if you have a problem with em. Stick to PC!

[floetry101]

Dice aren't complaining bro, it's the graphically hungry pseudo-gamer that's complaining. By all accounts it looks outstanding on console, even better than expected.

[Veni Vidi Vici]

They never said they don't like consoles. NEVER! They're just stating a fact that PC's are stronger to try and explain to the retards out there that can't seem to understand why BF3 doesn't look as good on the console version.

Also, the only ones that seem to be complaining are the people that demand it to look as good on consoles.

[Kon]

Mainly the hardcore fanboys. They think the cell=everything.

[FragMnTagM]

They just can't realize that the Cell is not a graphics card. It simply cannot do what a graphics card does. It may be able to do a few jobs that a graphics card would normally do, but it cannot handle all the things that a graphics card does.

This is the reason that you can take a dual-core CPU, and pair it with a decent graphics card and destroy anything on PS3 or 360.

I wish people could understand this.

[SuperSaiyan4]

Who are these PS3 fans that are not happy with the game? I would like to know cos I reckon its probably Bobby Kotick making up some usernames and putting hate across lol.

But from all the news on BF3 it seems PS3 and PC only info what about the Xbox 360??

[kevnb]

no 360 version was shown yet.

[Why o why]

Where are these complainers. For me the consoles have more of the games i wanna play but anybody who thinks consoles and pcs are on level playing fields in terms of processing and graphics is naive. I think the media is just jumping on a minority's gripes. Then the whole community is made to look deluded. Ive not seen one sane person claim they expect pc quality on the ps from a game born on pc. They're not even 1st party (dice)...smh . I call this another mounting out of a mole hill type bulls?@t

[godsinhisheaven]

I agree.

[phantomexe]

That's because we all don't work at nasa were we make 200k a year EA . I can't keep upgradeing a pc.

[Shackdaddy836]

You think you have to be rich in order to make a PC?

[GodGinrai]

you dont have to be rich...but speaking as somebody that recently upgraded my entire computer back in march....it aint cheap. i use my computer for music composition and sound design, but i decided to throw a gtx 560TI in the mix..that card costs as much as a new x360. i will say were it not for the fact that i use that computer for work/creative purposes i would not be able to justify that kinda of money just for gaming. i know you can build a decent gaming ring for around 800 qiud but even then...that kinda money JUST to play games? you either live with your parents or have no real financial responsibilities, shackdaddy.

[evrfighter1]

he's trolling you idiot.

[FragMnTagM]

I am far from rich, in fact I make a measly 30k a year, but I have a nice car, nice tv, xbox 360, ps3, and a nice gaming PC.

Explain that with your "logic."

[GodGinrai]

30K a year huh? dollars or pounds?

EDIT: not askin to be mean, frag...just sayin there seems to be alot of 30k a year gamers on N4G..

[Holeran]

It's just that some people are expecting Killzone 3 graphics from a multiplatform title and it's not going to happen. If one console ever looked worse than the other console the developer would immediately dumb down the console that was out performing the other so it didn't ruffle feathers and both versions would have a shot at good sales. I know it didn't happen when the first ports came to PS3 but they were usually behind the 360 release and developers couldn't code well on the PS3. They won't be dumbing down graphics for the PC though as that would be a stupid move when it's capable of much more.

[Pandamobile]

If you think game developers will purposely dumb down one console to match the other, you're quite ignorant.

[Holeran]

Ya you keep believeing yourself. Like EA would allow a version of a game to be far superior on PS3 and kill thier sales on the 360 version or the other way around. Who's the ignorant one really? Definitely not the developers because they have more sense than to bury themselves that way.

[BeastlyRig]

PCFTW!! That is All that matters..

[maxmill]

if you only have a pc you fail
if you only have a ps3 you fail

If you have both? Greatness

[DarkSpawnClone]

yay i'm greatness!!!

[Ser]

Cool, I'm in the "greatness" club. :D

On topic: PC is far superior to consoles in terms of graphics, we know this. You don't need to explain this to the people that are unaware of this basic knowledge.

[Revvin]

I'm primarily a PC gamer but also own a 360 and PS3, I enjoy the exclusives on each platform but when it comes to multi platforms like Battlefield and Call of duty they always look better and run better on a PC. Where the PC loses out is in the social thing, having one friends list instead of having friends on Steam, Xfire, Origin, GFWL etc etc and sometimes having to rely on other third party apps like Teamspeak or Ventrilo where console versions have everything built in, though more and more games are coming with built in voice comms.

I answered a guy on a forum a few weeks ago who was complaining about a list of specs leaked to the net that was rumoured to be for Battlefield 3. Minimum spec was a dual core 2GHz system with 2GB Ram and 512MB video. I pointed out to him that PC spec was very old now and that I wished more developers catered for 2 and 4 core CPU's especially the flight sims and racing sims I own that seldom support more than two cpu cores.

[thtruth574]

Yea, this a pretty dumb article. Im a PS3 fanboy and even I know there really cant be a comparison. BF3 will probably be one of very few games where we actually get to see what state of the art pc hardware can do.

@stevenhiggster: Wont happen. Even though this game is built from ground up on pc, the sales from consoles will destroy pc sales. Dont know if because of pirating (COD) or if there arent that many hardcore pc gamers. Console gamers basically fund developement for pc titles.

[Hazmat13]

i know the power of the PC but ima PS kid when i was young same as my father. PS just feels right. ya know?

[Jovahkiin]

I agree the PC version is superior but the Ps3 version still looks incredible.

I cant wait to get my hands on this for the Xbox come this October !

[kevnb]

dont worry too much about random forum posters dice. If we listened to forums, wow, call of duty and halo are horrible and nobody likes them.

[Louis_Guzman]

Actually, those games are garbage. Also, lol Pc.

[caboose32]

lol 24 player servers.

[telekineticmantis]

God of war 3. I see beast graphics, when I look at Battlefield I see beast graphics, that's all I know. lol at the kid trying to gain some favor over PS3 players.

[x800]

My ps3 hasnt been on since psn got hacked. but i use my pc for gaming nearly every day. PC is superior in every way.

[Pandamobile]

Mine's been on every day because I use it to stream my movies to my TV :)

[x800]

:) use your pc to do that via hdmi or wifi.

[DA_SHREDDER]

Don't get me wrong, I love my ps3, but i would love to get pc graphics and pc capabilities out of the machine. Not that my ps3 can't do some amazing things, but its time to quit making my ps3 over heat because devs are trying to squeeze everything out of my machines ( i have 3 ps3s'). Thats why i had high hopes for the WiiU but that controller doesn't even have clickable analog sticks. We need a system that just needs more RAM and better GPU. The processors are already there. We don't need better processors.

[qwertyz]

the ps3s cell will be utterly destroyed by a core 2 quad so what do you mean a better cpu isn't needed ? you ps3 owners need to realize that technology didn't stand still because of your console. technology has come a LONG way since the cell was created. core 2 quad>ps3 cell>. even a core 2 duo e8400 will DESTROY the cell in EVERYTHING except video editing which the spus are designed for. don't let computational power figures decieve you remember that the ps2 cpu had twice the computational power as the xbox yet the xbox cpu was STILL more powerful ? computational power is just 1 out of SO many parts of cpu architecture. if the cell was the future intel would have something of that sort out today instead of i3,i5 and i7. do you know that the ps3 utilizes static branching which sucks compared to what core 2 duos from several years ago utilize ? do you know the ps3 cpu using in order exectution which is a stone age architecture compared to what core 2 duos from 2006 use ? I bet you didn't. the cell is just VERY flexible and thats IT its not nearly as powerful you think it is. majority of console gamers know NOTHING about technology its not the number of cores its the strength of each cores that counts. fewer superior cores are better than many inferior cores. the spus aren't even cores by the way just vector units designed for graphics operations, physics and stuff like that doing AI on spu is actually VERY difficult(not impossible though) did you know that ? because spus don't have branching resources and Ai is branch heavy to top it of the ps3s ppe using an outdated branching method. the spus shine in some thing but totally such at general purpose computing which is why a ppe was included. the SPEs are NOT all powerful and the ps3 only has 6 available to game developers not the 8 originally mentioned.

[andibandit]

look at uncharted 3, you will see that ps3 still better

[zero_cool]

Don't kid yourself on that the cell processor is still more powerful then 90% of the desktop cpu's on the market today.

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http://www.blachford.info/c...

http://charbax.com/2006/05/...

PS3's cell rendering in real-time without rsx:

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PS3 Physics Demo:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

PlayStation 3 Physics Effects SDK:

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[aia12]

zero_cool

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behold the FAR superior power of pc

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yeah and why is it that a core 2 duo can emulate the ps2 in software why the ps3 cell can't ? because the cell isn't as powerful SIMPLE as THAT

[LeoDDestroyer]

I think it the heard it all before syndrome. I don't believe that it justify, but the hype from EA has really raised a lot of expectation from some players. Like how crysis 2 was hyped for the console and fail to meet expectations. Crysis 2 is not a bad game on the ps3 though.

Imo I think bf3 look great, but I would trade the destructible environments for more players. Destructible environment I personally find it annoying mostly b/c someone drop a building on me in bfbc2. Give me 64 players like the lowest match in MAG.

[abczby]

For some reason they believe the PS3 has this unlimited amount of power, even though it's just barely more powerful than the Xbox 360. They're always talking about the cell processor in the PS3 as if it's still top of the line even though it's 5 years old... So incredibly stupid.

[Snakefist30]

I dont why they are arguing abut BF3 graphics cause Im okay with it.

[Ser]

Because there will ALWAYS be fanboys.

PC fanboys, 360 fanboys, and PS3 fanboys alike are all equally hilarious.

[death2smoochie]

I have just read through most of the comments on this thread and It's amazing how many actually think the these consoles could manage 1080p@60fps in this game....
Then you have others stating MAG, RFOM, WipeoutHD and other game etc....

Here is a reality check for those people:

99% OF THE PS3's AND Xbox360's GAME LIBRARY runs in 720p@30fps or lower.
ANY game running at 1080p@30+FPS ON THESE AGING CONSOLES ARE either PSN or XBL games or a game with little to no graphic quality OR has linear game play with no interaction with the environment AT ALL.

KZ3, Uncharted 3, God of War 3, Gears of War 3 and the rest of the "heavy hitting" console games WITH IMPRESSIVE GRAPHICS, DO NOT HAVE A FULLY DYNAMIC DESTRUCTIBLE ENVIRONMENT with ALL REAL TIME EFFECTS AND LIGHTING. None of those games do. All those games use "hacks" or "tricks" or other "optimizations" to get around its hardware limitations.
IE: NAO32, LDR, MLAA, Lower resolutions. No dynamic environments. Linear Scale. Low Floating Point for effects etc.

The games mentioned ABOVE have almost ALL pre-calculated effects and lighting with no DYNAMIC REAL TIME destruction.
Lets not even MENTION the sheer level of Vehicle use BF3 enables on a MAP size 10 times the size of those games I mentioned above.

These consoles simply cannot play this type of game the way a modern PC can. It does not have the power, bandwidth, memory size, GPU/CPU that supports advanced features to pull this off.
You people are asking these consoles to perform tasks it mathematically and technologically cannot perform under any circumstances. You are actually giving these consoles too much credit.
5 year technology is 5 year technology. Get use to it: Sony and MS developers have. Why can't you people?

To put the rubber to the road:

No DX11 Support which is one of the biggest reasons.
No Support for Shader Model 5.0 let alone 4.0+
(if you people who are bitching that the console version of BF3 should be the same as the PC VERSION knew what benefits Shader Model 4.0 and above HAS OVER SHADER MODEL 3.0, you would have saved braincells in your posting and not be whining about this to DICE)

To quickly sum up why these consoles WILL never match a PC this generation WHEN A game is finally developed on the pc FIRST with its technology utilized and not gimped by console versions. ALL CONSOLES.
Here it is...and To be honest. DICE/EA should not have to explain this to people. It's common sense as to why these consoles are aging AND can't run a game like BF3 as a PC:

1) No support for Advanced Tessellation
2) No support for compute shader technology
3) No support for higher FP HDR Running in Real Time
4) No support for HLSL Shader Model 5.0 (LET ALONE 4.0)
5) No support for Advanced Dynamic Linking
6) No double-precision support, which allows programmers to tackle shader specialization with polymorphism, objects, and interfaces.

I could go on but the truth of the matte is simply this:

consoles are 5+ years old with dated CPU/GPU's with only 512 megs of total system memory. A $130 mid-range GPU out now has more bandwidth on that card than the entire PS3 or Xbox360 console.
So you get the picture why DICE/EA is saying what they are saying...
and please for all that is holy, do not bring up MAG, RFOM or WipeoutHD or any of those games.

[zero_cool]

lmfao@clueless pc nerd ranting!..btw thanks for the laugh ass clown!

[caboose32]

Who the F*** says "ass clown"???? Like really though, worst insult ever.

[nitrogav]

The PS3 footage looked fricking awesome to me , dont think you can expect any better than that this late into this console generation , can you ? . Have a feeling the XBOX version is even inferior to the PS3 version . Maybe that is why they havent even shown any yet !! .

[iNMyFiN4LH0uR]

some is indeed the keyword-however take note that PC fans arrogance is also rather pathetic, commenting on Uncharted 3 headline on how its graphics mean nothing compared to a PC, you see people like this all over games that have no association with the PC. The PC no doubt is a different and magnificent machine that transcends the consoles when it comes to hardware, however, for MOST gamers it is not practical. Not affordable, not enough third party support or first party, and all their friends own consoles. These reasons are big enough that a lot of PC gamers also have consoles.

[ATiElite]

1. Affordable : you can buy a $300 PC of the walmart shelf connect it to your TV and drop a $99 or $150 GPU in it and BAM, your killing the consoles and PC Gaming. $450 is very affordable for something that does more than just play games.

2. Practical : ANY controller works on the PC. 360 controllers have built in support while a a simple FREE program allows Dualshock 3 controllers to work or just buy a Logitech oh not too mention the Kinect, Move, and Wii all work on the PC as well. can your ps3/360 use Wii motes and play Wii games...NO!

3. First party support : The PC is an open platform that NO one company owns so their is NO such thing as First party support. that's why PC games are cheaper.

4. Third party support : The PC has more Indie games than all the consoles combined. The PC has an entire Mod community that has made new games out of existing games for free. You could buy one version of Half Life and play about 200 different full game mods of it. Take Oblivion which has like 6 mods that completely change the game to a new 30 to 60 hour quest plus another mod that allows Online co-op or vs. combat.

If you prefer the console then fine but don't just make up FALSE FACTS about the PC.

[iNMyFiN4LH0uR]

1. $450 vs $299 or $200 for something like the PS3 which does blu ray and like you said "more than just play games" i can see which option a college student or 16 year old will prefer, besides the point most gamers are this demographic.

2. PS3/360 doesnt play wii motes cause they got they're own wii motes: kinect and move. My practical point had nothing to do with controllers. More to do with the fact most of your friends are playing COD on PSN and Live.

3. I'm talking about some of the biggest and best games around that aren't available on the PC: Uncharted, Gears, Resistance, God of War, Halo, ICO, Shadow of Collosus, Final Fantasy, Gran Turismo, Forza, LittleBigPlanet, Zelda, Super Smash Bros., the Marios, Metal Gear Solid etc. Too many classics and good games the PC misses out on especially now a days.

4. Good point, half life=counter strike being a great example. In fact, most third party games do manage to be on the PC i.e. Assassin's Creed.

You're right i prefer the consoles even though my brother keeps ranting about how his tricked up PC for which he buys a $150 graphics card every 2 or 3 years is amazing and heavenly. But the facts i stated weren't false, they are the disadvantages of the PC. Everything has disadvantages and advantages, the consoles too, its logical that the machine that you so highly regard has its faults.

[Shackdaddy836]

I definitely have to disagree on that no third party support thing. Basically all of our games are third party.

As for the "first party" thing - most of our exclusives are the best looking exclusives around. We may not have a ton, but when we do get some then they are amazing.

We also usually get mods and other great support which consoles would not be able to get.

[GodGinrai]

I agree with the dev though. The PC is uber-capable. i beleive that if your the type of person that only uses your hi end pc for gaming then it is YOU that is holding your PC back. lol. i even have a hackintosh partition and it runs logic pro better than my macpro....and its half the cost of my mac pro!

[boss_killa]

I've seen the BF3 PC footage and it looks amazing! The console version looked pretty good too.

I only game on the PS3 and I'd like to know who these idiots are that are complaining about how BF3 looks. DICE deserves some props for getting BF3 to look that good with all the stuff going on.

[zackacloud]

guys a agree with them when i saw the comments about FHD not on consoles versions .

but let be far from pixels. is it impossible make the game 60fps or better graphics?

yes gameplay it the mean of games with story but right now we liked the gameplay and almost trust on it 100% so graphics area it the rest that we want.so ihope dice to try harder and try to use more storage in blu ray if that will help them in loading at least or make the game without installing.

of course they didn't reach the high end so i expect more from ps3 by dice.

but honestly the result soooo good(better than that crapy frame rate game crysis2) and not so far from pc version.

[lochdoun]

"Delusional PS3 fanboys have really no idea on what a modern PC is capable of"

Fixed.

[ATiElite]

This whole issue with SOME console fanboys crying cause their LIMITED and OLD consoles can't do what a PC can is getting ridiculous.

Bad Company 2 looks better that any call of duty game but yet you clowns choose to cry because BF3 was the lead platform and clearly has sent your consoles back to the stone age (although BC2 PC which was just ported still smoked the consoles). Get over it!

BF3 PC is Next Gen Gaming today as always on the PC not next console cycle. Besides the PS3 version looks dam good so what the phuck are you Ass Clowns crying about.

DICE is a PC developer who have made many console games but Battlefield is their #1 product which started on the PC. If you want the superior version then go buy the superior hardware.

your Honda Civics will never post Ferrari numbers.

Battlefield Since 1942!

[helioNz4RPL]

Well, what he said is obviously true. Everything seems to prove that.

[ramtah]

Why trash talk? i love my ps3 and xbot, and i think that the graphics from Dice is impressive! comperd too COD

[jinjojuice]

all these new graphics cards are a waste of money. developers rarely make games that even come close to maxing them out.just a midrange pc could blow most consoles games away graphicly,i dont own a gaming rig just consoles but even i know that consoles are holding back pc games.

[Goodfella78]

I must agree with this guy,as we speak im in the middle of an am3+ pc build with a
AMD PHENOMII BLK X6 1100T 3.3GHZ cpu and 2 6970 gpus running in crossfire,i used to be crazy for consoles but not anymore,.,.,.peace out peeps

[Tikicobra]

Thank you, DICE. The PS3 version of this game looks fantastic, and anyone who expected the graphics to be on par with the PC version has literally no idea how powerful consoles are versus computers.

[Xof]

And some developers really have no idea what modern gaming is capable of.

We reached a graphical plateau ages ago--focusing on mechanical prowess (e.g. what most people call "graphics") is no longer the way to advance the industry.

[forum67]

Some ?? ....lol .It should be 'Many'

[zero_cool]

Again go here folks & look & read through everything carefully...

http://repi.blogspot.com/

[cee773]

To those who think it would be stupid or expensive for sony to make ps4 upgradable lack vision there would be no need for expansion ports all sony needs to do to make the ps4 USB 3.0 certified to to allow upgrades USB 3.0 will open all kinds of possibilities with tech period.

[StarWolf]

As much as I am in agreement with DICE, they also showcased the PC demo on stage of a Console Conference. They deserve the hate from the idiots, since we all know idiots are the majority. They should have known that idiots will act like idiots.

[Sieg]

DICE - "Hurr PC first and consoles later"
Fanboys - "#&$# you DICE! My PS3 can run Uncharted 3!"
DICE - "Cool story bro"

[BrianC6234]

Of course high end PCs can handle a lot more than consoles but there aren't enough of them out there to really push the fancy hardware. Who wants to spend $3000 on a PC every year or two just to keep up? This game will be fine in 720p on consoles.

[Huntmaster17]

$3000 on pc.... really dude? You can build a really good rig for $700. I guess that's too much, but some of you dropped $600 on a PS3. -sigh-

[TitanUp]

so dice stating the obvious is making the community unhappy,they are just pointing things out that should be a fact or common knowledge amongst gamers. almost all the developers focus on the console version of the games im happy that a development team are focused on pc

[Ness-Psi]

of course he knows better he makes the game lol. the game looks awesome on PS3 whats the problem?

[jalen247]

People have to understand when they show PC footage, they are showing it run on a beastly PC rig....consoles can not compete with the latest graphics cards.

I love my PS3 but I am under no dilusion. Games programmed to take full advantage of the latest PC hardware will look better and run faster than top notch console games (i.e. Killzone, Uncharted, God of War)

But I will say God of War III is a marvel and can stand next to any top notch PC game including Battlefield 3 (PC) and more than hold its own.

[MegaSackman]

Is true that, right now, consoles pales in comporison with a PC in terms of gaming... but, if new and better gaming experiences means more war games... well, i think that is not time yet to evolve, we dont need better hardware, better graphics, or better engines, we need devs more open minded, we need less shooters, dont misundestand me, i love shooters, but thats not the only genre i love, i want more adventure games, more RPG... i dont know, i dont want a new console, if that means better ways to play Battlefield 4, COD10, Far Cry 4, Rage 2, Ghost Recon Universal Soldier, Resistance 4, Killzone 4, Halo 5, Crysis 3. I would love to play those games, but i wont like the idea of those games, to be almost the only games in te market... sadly, the last E3 was all about shooters, if you want to play other games, it seems that your only place, is the Xbox Live Market,PSN, Wii Ware, or Steam...

[Fallouts]

Ppl really think pe3 games should look like current pc tech? Lmfao!

I don't game on pc's and kinda hate how arrogant pc gamer can be with the whole " my pc is mega powerful consoles are holding us back".

Well... Why don't you guys start supporting more pc games besides WoW and then devs would want to make pc games number one priority. But no.... Most pc games are pirated, so the game gets poor support from the community. In other words, you don't support them they don't support you, that simple.

As for consoles.. I'm surprised that the only console, that I know of, to ever support an upgrade in graphics was the n64 with that cartridge thing that came with turok. I would love to know why no one ever continued with something like that. Why not design a console so that you can slide in a new graphics card or what ever like you would a hdd?

I don't know the technical stuff on things like that but if someone knows something I don't then please repay.

[yamzilla]

honestly the consoles are, and have been completely maxed and tapped out since uncharted 2 and gears 1 respectivly

anything else is smoke and mirrors, more bloom, blur, lowered resolution into sub-hd,

it will not be until a new gen of consoles that anything is impressive after playing something like metro2033 in dx11, crysis dx10, bfbc2 dx11, dirt 2 dx11 and so on console games look 6 years old....it's all in what you are used to

to someone say in a thrid world area who maybe has only played nintendo and super nintendo, they see a ps3 game and cannot believe their eyes

Now say Someone games only on pc for years and then pops in a xbox360 game and keeps looking for a way to take it out of very low settings..... that's how i feel about most console games, the great artwork is there, it's just all turned down to the minimum settings as though it is running on a netbook!!

[Chucky2003]

of course they don't,if they knew they wouldn't come with stupid complaints about the game,still i think that since the beginning when they showed the game that it will be a mistake if the promote the game only on PC,they should have shown console footage too,now of course this is happening,especially when they showed that internet footage of how they discovered the PS3 architecture and what it can do for their games,well now will bite them in the ass,and i think all these complains will affect the sales,even though Battlefield is a better game,they won't surpass in sales MW3

[Samurai_Demon]

I don't think that console gamers don't understand the difference in power from PC to console. It is just disappointing to see that battlefield 3's graphics is not even close to likes of KZ3 or UC3.

I have both, PS3 and a $2500 Gaming PC, there is no doubt that i will play BF3 on my PC. But not everyone can afford a gaming PC.

[annus]

You can't even compare them. For one, BF3 on PS3 doesn't even look bad, sure it has jagged shadows (show me a PS3 game that doesn't), and not as good as lighting, but aside from that, the frame rate and the resolution, it won't be much different. Nobody ever complained about the resolution or frame rate about UC3, the exact game you just praised.

Another note, UC3 is third person, you aren't as close to the walls like a first person shooter so you don't see the textures up close so they aren't pixalated. Go into cinema mode and look at random walls in UC2, they are still pretty bad textures and nowhere near as crisp as they look from the third view perspective.

And KZ3 doesn't even look better than BF3, if anything it looks worse (texture and particle wise), it just has a different art direction.

Not to mention that BF3 isn't as linear as the two games(not hating, have finished UC1 and 2 at least 4 times each, loved those games). BF3 is huge scale maps with destruction. These aren't pre scripted destruction like MW2 map pack with a 'bridge' that was rigged to explode in MP, this is full on every building destructible. And the map sizes of BF don't even compare to that of the games you have mention, they are just so much bigger (obviously they have to be to be able to fit in 64 players on PC version).

But hey, like all the others are saying. You get what you payed for. I bought my PC around the same time as I got my PS3 when it launched here in Australia. Both were $1000 AUS, and my PC STILL out performs the PS3. Everyone complaining about wanting a new console should just spend the $600 US on a new PC if they want to play with better graphics. Let's not forget that even if the PS4/Xbox720 do come out within the next one or two years, they won't be any better than the current good PCs that are available.

[artdafoo]

BF3 on PS3 looks better than any other console FPS out their, STFU with your crying.

[RAmar101]

Some people really are thick, a 5-6 yer old tech is never going to match the specs of a modern high end pc. You should have seen metro 2033 running on a full gaming rig, it looked out of this world, you can't get visuals like that on ps360

[kuroukage]

What he's trying to say is: "Ya'll console kiddies are still on training wheels and don't know the true glory that is PC."

[extermin8or]

How many people will actually have pc's thaty are capable of running it on its highest setting as is shown there?? I mean at least on the ps3 we know that THAT is exactly what you'll get with PC it will depend on your specs :p but tbh the ps3 footage looks damn good so why people are complaining is beyond me :p

[creepjack]

How is dice handling this badly? There a a whole bunch of gamers out there that still think the PS3 is capable of anything the PC can do, and when they see this, it chaps em. THey still think DICE is lazy and not taking the time to "learn" the PS3's funky architecture, when in fact, they probably know it better than any 3rd party dev out there. You cant reason with them. That is the nature of fanboys, and PS3 fanboy seems to be the most out of touch with reality for some reason, and this site is absolute proof of it.

[strickers]

I find reading opinions on games online,that most gamers have no idea what they are looking at and are completely unable to separate the art from the tech in any meaningful way.
Battlefield 3 looks damn good on console to me.Expecting it to look like PC is moronic.