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Submitted by pat_11_5 1407d ago | opinion piece

It’s Really Hard To Like Kinect These Days...

Kinect is really hard to like these days.

With little to no core support and no decent upcoming games, Microsoft's once amazing looking motion controller is quickly becoming a glorified paper weight for many Gamers. (Fruit Ninja Kinect, Kinect, Kinect Sports, Kinect Sports 2, Ryse: Son of Rome, Sesame Street: Once Upon a Monster, Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon: Future Soldier, Xbox 360)

pat_11_5  +   1407d ago
I genuinely think Kinect is a great device... but seriously put some good games on it already.
SKUD  +   1407d ago
Kinect Disneyland Adventures inbound. Are they doing it rite?
darthv72  +   1407d ago
@pat
you should state that they need good games that appeal to you. Remember we are all not alike and have different tastes. It is really a matter of choice.

Do I think the games on kinect are good? Cant say as I dont have kinect yet.

Will there be games that appeal to people? Sure there will.

Will they appeal to you? Only you can be the judge of that.

Potentiality almost guarantees there will be something for everyone.
Perjoss  +   1407d ago
I have no problem liking my Kinect, I know its quite hard for some to believe, but some people actually like waving their arms around :)
news4geeks  +   1407d ago
It has great games like sesame street, disneyland and on the rails classics to come...

If you don't like those games then kinect isn't your thing.
fr0sty  +   1407d ago
charlie sheen loves his kinect. both of them are on rails constantly.
soundslike  +   1407d ago
fr0sty wins

PUNTALITY
malamdra   1407d ago | Trolling | show
egidem  +   1407d ago
Microsoft sold millions of this device. It's out there and I have a feeling that the dedicated hardcore who bought it a launch are sort of disappointed due to the lack of games catered towards them. From the looks of E3, I can say that little kids will have a blast time with Kinect from now towards 2012.

They are clearly marketing it towards the casuals; and for that fact if you don't like Kinect, simply don't buy it. Okay, but what about those hardcore gamers who also bought it? Where are their games Microsoft? It seems that Microsoft doesn't really know what to do with Kinect. The hype of controller-less gaming is what sold it. It sounds so awesome and futuristic. Somehow it's not working right.

They already have a large install base, now what the hell is stopping them from making real games? Do they think that whatever they are making right now (Kinect fun labs, Disneyland Adventures) will satisfy people?

Sony probably had it right about buttons being important. If you take a core game and replace it entirely with Kinect controls, chances are that it will terribly suck. There would be lag issues and the most important of all - accuracy. They (Microsoft) foresaw this so they went the route that Sony took with the Move - implement Kinect in the core games as an optional playstyle.

The same principle might however not always apply to Sony. They implemented the Move in Killzone 3 and from what I've heard, people with the Move SharpShooter are owning those people with the standard DualShock 3 controller!

Point is Microsoft is just chasing a boat Nintendo already rode. I'm curious as to where they are sailing the Kinect ship, but currently it looks like they have no course set.
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Redgehammer  +   1407d ago
I agree. I just got through watching my son play Child of Eden, and he is having a blast. I wish I could use Kinect to play COE, the controller is fine, but doesn't seem to carry the same fun or immersion quotient as Kinect. It is a great device, that I feel, is constantly going to improve.
xhedleyx  +   1407d ago
I agree I guess but do you honestly think Kinect can support these deep experiences you so desperately want? How the hell do you make a game like Mass Effect 3 without a controller...

You can't
Godmars290  +   1407d ago
More to the point how do you make an engaging Kinect title that also uses a standard controller?

Still can't believe that Bioware hasn't been seriously called on the Kinect only voice command option.

Edit:
Thing is in that regard Binary Domain will have voice commands via headsets. If that game actually delivers - we are talking about Sega after all - how will that not show up Bioware?
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xhedleyx  +   1407d ago
I think it's a decent use of Kinect's technology. Maybe not ideal but it's better than having it forced into the game.
Flatbattery  +   1407d ago
Voice command has been done for years, it's not unique to Kinect.

If Bioware wanted to use voice command, it wouldn't be exclusive to Xbox 360, all you need is a voice input device all the rest is software driven. Besides, PS Eye has a 4 microphone array so it could easily be done on PS3, with the Eye or a headset. Same goes for PC with any device with a microphone you could plug in, Usb or mic/line in.
darthv72  +   1407d ago
its their choice...
we been through this god. We know it can be done but the point is it is being done only for the 360 version.

Why is that so hard to wrap around? For whatever reason. Be it money or exclusivity or whatever....kinect voice in mass effect 3 exists. I have said this before.

If you are going to release something then you need to find the angle in which to market it and do your best to make it your own.

Just because they can doesnt mean they will. It is no different than exclusive content in games these days. If you want to talk to the tv while playing this game....read aloud the dialog at the bottom of the screen when making your choice.
Redgehammer  +   1407d ago
Kinect's audio solutions are much more complicated than I thought, and really are an achievement in engineering. Those of you that believe that a headset is comparable to the Kinect sensor are misguided. If any are interested in how the audio aspects of Kinect came about , I suggest this article.
http://research.microsoft.c...
Why o why  +   1407d ago
I still dont believe people really think kinect can really offer deep gameplay mechanics. People would enjoy it more if they just lowered their expectations, kinda like what my misses has to do:(

The sony advert he refers to, although tongue in cheek is true. Without inputs its limited. Proof is how simple all the games that are out now and the fact that ms is pushing for kinect intergration into core games NOT kinect versions of these games apart from that fable and we all saw how that panned out. Let it be. Its great tech but very limited
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xhedleyx  +   1407d ago
I tend to agree I guess. It's sort of a pipe dream of mine though to have an awesome Kinect game that's totally fun and engrossing.
Redempteur  +   1407d ago
fable with kinect is horrible

going from a action rpg ( with bugs ) to a onr ail shooter ..is hardly an improvement
Redgehammer  +   1407d ago
I am curious as to what a "deep gameplay mechanic" is?
"Its great tech but very limited" people said the same thing about the cd-rom, and the personal computer in the early 80's, and we see how that has turned out. I believe that the only limit to Kinect is the same limit that all technology has, and that is the imaginations of those pushing the technology forward. Moreover, I would be surprised if the tech within Kinect, does not achieve some level of ubiquity in the upcoming years.
As far as the games go, I was excited for ME3 way before Kinect, but now I have something else to look forward to, on top of the awesomness that I already anticipated.

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btk  +   1407d ago
As we expected....
The hype died off - and now they can see the emperor is not as well-dressed as the hype suggested.
malamdra  +   1407d ago
there was never any hype among core gamers, because hype is generated by games and not hardware itself
mcgrawgamer  +   1407d ago
Why o why hit the nail on the head in my opinion. Kinect won't be able to replace the core gaming experience. Only add on it; for or better or for worse that would depend on the gamer. Personally the only games that have justified my kinect purchase were sonic riders and the more recent child of eden. Other than that I don't get much enjoyment out of it. My kids and wife however eat it up.
iistuii  +   1407d ago
Exactly
My wife & kids also eat it up, that's the type of audience it was made for. As for so called hardcore games, they are starting to add support in the future games like Ghost Recon, Forza 4, but personnaly I'd prefer if they kept the games separate like now. Anyone else think a game like Heavy Rain could work on Kinect ?. I think it'll be cool to have a detective type of game on it and having finished Heavy Rain, that type of game could work on Kinect...
wollie  +   1407d ago
thats a really awesome idea about a heavy rain type game with kinect. I agree that it is possible to make a really great game using solely kinect but the sad thing is no one is doing it. And after MS's e3 it looks like there aren't any plans to do it.
dkp23  +   1407d ago
So kinect has been out less than a year, people complain no core support..

MS announces new core games that will implement kinect and some developers such as sega developing a core game using kinect and people complain they dont want it. E3 uproar from people that MS i abandoning the core gamer...

Fanboy much?
mac_attack  +   1407d ago
Sports 2 is looking good. How come no one is running with the games that they are cooking up and making them into full blown campaign type deals? Golf sounds awesome and such a no brainer that I cant believe its Rare thats leading the pack again with the 2nd offering and nothing has come out since that compares.

Game companies need to get their foot off the brake and hit the gas! There is big money to be made here, Kinect is a great platform.
from the beach  +   1407d ago
Damn,I misread that as "hard NOT to like these days" - which I actually think is the case.

Why? Because there are a lot of developers I personally think very highly of working on games for it.

Whether those games live up to their billing remains to be seen, of course.
ENDOFDAYS  +   1407d ago
kinect was horrible, the only cool thing is the voice comands.
despair  +   1407d ago
Its been more than 6 months since kinect was launched and a second E3 has come and gone and yet people are still crying "we don't know what devs will come out with" and yet every single game ends up being a minigame or on rails, where is the innovation and great possibilities there.

I for one wish it could be more than it is but anyone with an objective eye can see the severe limitations of kinect for the mainstream gamer and now we are seeing Xbox games suffer for it. The only new exclusive from MS this E3 I saw was Halo 4(Forza 4 was announced since last year), all the others were kinect, how is that catering for your fans?
Eclipticus  +   1407d ago
I like the Kinect.

As for games, Children of Eden just came out... and yes it is better on Kinect than the controller.

I dont understand why people assume that you cant combine the Kinect with a control. There is nothing wrong with it being a supplement to the controller. Mass Effect and Ghost Recon are perfect examples of this. Hopefully more shooters and tactical games will implement this. Everyone is into submersion and reality, but how realistic is it to press a button to give a command than actually say it..

As for games, I think there are good games coming up. This is a business, and with any business, you need to start slow, test the waters. 3rd parties arent gonna put resources behind something until it has some level or success or market saturation..
Raven_Nomad  +   1407d ago
Well Child Of Eden is something I have been playing nonstop since it came out.

Also how can they say no good games are coming out when things like Rise Of Nightmares, Ryse, Steel Battalion, Forza 4, Project Draco, Gunstringer ect...

He sounds so whiny about things, like that is going to make games come out any faster. It's rather poorly written IMHO and to call Kinect Sports a "Tech Demo" is rather dubious. I would consider Kinect Adventures a tech demo, which is really is, but Kinect Sports is a full game and a lot of fun.
pat_11_5  +   1407d ago
I'm looking forward to Kinect sports 2 but I won't be a real game just another collection of mini games.
tigertom53  +   1407d ago
I dont really ever thought kinect would have really hard core games like fps or anything. I still would use a standard controller but kinct does have a nitch for some games like fitness, dance, and some creative full tracking games like kinect sports. games I do look forwards to is Child of Eden and Gunstringer looks kick ass. the more I look in to fable the Journey it looks like it might be really good stil more then a year away from full development..
a_adji  +   1407d ago
The thjng has been out a year and still has the same games etc meth a couple of added extras recently. I can see why both japanese companies (Nintendo and Sony) turned it down. Dumb westerners they must be thinking. The thing tracks so slow u can't out nothing but kids games on it because they won't realise how bad it is. Got pottential though just not right now.
earbus  +   1407d ago
Played it last night had lots of fun.
a_adji  +   1407d ago
No doubt its fun just no a great piece of kit
Hatiko  +   1407d ago
I dislike how it has taken all of MS's resources. Kameo 2 and the next Perfect Dark game were in development at Rare. But MS cancelled those games and made them work on Kinect Sports. That's two core games cancelled for one casual sports game.
edonus  +   1406d ago
Really?

I am loving all the things I am seeing for Kinect.

They have already expanded my library. Forza4, Starwars, EA Golf, Rise of Nightmares, Fable the Journey and Ryse are all day one for me. Then there are a bunch of other games I am thinking about getting Ghost Recon if they ever get a Kinect only mode, Power up heroes, maybe Gunstringer, Child of Eden is getting good reviews.

Kinect is looking great to me.
Tron_Rocks  +   1406d ago
Kinect is the future
The device is awesome and will only get better. Need more games that really take advantage of it.

I think given it uses the CPU from the XBOX that truly awesome things are in store with the next XBOX...
Tron_Rocks  +   1405d ago
Dumb Article
Yawn
DJMarty  +   1403d ago
@Tron_Rocks - 'Kinect is the future'..............LOL

Sony did 'EYETOY' like 7 years prior.

Guess Sony has a crystal ball.
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