Sony is seen as arrogant, Microsoft as a tri-hard, whilst Nintendo has injected a simple fun element back into gaming. But, could Nintendo be catching a little of Sony's disease of complacency, whilst all around them competitors plot?
Nintendo never actually learned from their mistakes the first time they were number 1. They still believe that they can strong arm publishers and retailers when they get on top. We saw what it did to them the first time. We're seeing it happen to Sony now. And there's no doubt in my mind that if MS ever becomes #1, they'll do it too.
These companies are great at copying one another, but never learn from one another's mistakes.
watch out for XMAS sales in NA ,JAPAN and EU
in NA ps3 sales have increased 2 fold according to VGCAHRTS data over last week.Ofcourse most people are holding on to purchase because of the 40 gig due on the 2nd.
In EU ps3 will surpass the wii once the PES bundle hits on 11t November.
expect the same with white ps3 in Japan
What are you even talking about? I explain the arrogance of these companies and you immediately go into fanboy mode to declare your holy system of choice will be number 1.
I won't even get into the issue of who will be number 1, because it turns into nothing but an ignorant rant from all sides based on opinions. So how about you go argue on behalf of your favorite corporation on another topic and leave this comment section to the topic at hand?
because they know how
You do realize that the PS3 is in a "distant" third to both the Xbox 360 and the Wii. It would have to outsell them two fold for over a year to catch up. So your posts don't change any of that.
And in regards to the article, I don't think that Nintendo has anything to worry about. The Wii covers the casual demographic nicely, and the 360 covers the hardcore gaming. Once the Wii catalogue of games contains more harcore titles and the 360 more casual titles things will even out nicely. They both win on price, PS3 is odd man out.
Well, some people prefer a PS3 as their hardcore game console over the 360. It has every single genre covered across all the boards, including some really innovative IPs like LittleBigPlanet. With the PS3 you get great RPGs from Square Enix and Level 5 (the main genre of games for me) which all have very close ties with Sony, largest in-house studio with games like Killzone 2, GT 5, Uncharted, and God of War III on the horizon, and a long reliable lifetime of free content access across the PSN.
I'm not saying 360 does not have features I'm not interested in, such as having a lot of XBLA games, Mass Effect, and those new RPGs from Mystwalker, but I do want to point out that thinking the 360 is the one that should appeal to all hardcore gamers is wrong. There are a lot of things the PS3 has that the 360 can't offer.
So what if the PS3 has to outsell MS and Nintendo for two straight years? You act as if this is the 7th and final year of it's life and has no chance catching up. Newsflash! it's only been one year!! When it's 2012 and the world hasn't ended and the PS4 is announced THEN you can announce the PS3's ultimate defeat. Calling it defeated now is ridiculous, esp since 2008 is looking to be a huge year for the Sony plus anything can turn in the later years. (HD-DVD dies, Blu-Ray dominates, PS3 price falls further, Developers learn to maximize PS3 hardware) Anything can happen from now to the brink of the next-next-gen.
The Wii will have beaten all of the sales throughout the GC's 6-year lifespan by this time next year. That's not hopeful thinking, that's a fact. All the evidence we need is a little game called "Super Smash Bros Brawl."
But no, I don't think Nintendo has been acting any more overconfident than its competitors, either. Right now, (although I think Sony's a great company) to a lot of people Sony seems like a bunch of pricks who like calculators and pie charts. Trust me, I don't agree with that sentiment, but let's face it: Sony's been getting a bad rap recently and until the AAA titles and the 40GB roll in (which they will) that's not going to change.
Anyway, again, (ironically) Nintendo seems quite youthful and friendly from an image standpoint, and I think that is actually a stark contrast from their N64-era image- they appealed to children, sure, just they were the mean old man who didn't like kids saying bad words or letting their pants go below the waist.
yes it will be there downfall..WHY..?..REGGIE...lol ..
I really just dont think nintendo cares like honestly they are making money hand over fist right now and have the possibility of being able to afford making a really powerful system with all their toys and gadgets next time around which come be alot shorter then we expected......all in all they did hwat they had to do and all I can do is bow befor them they really knew how to make money without spending alot of it this time around
we'll be seeing anything super powerful next-gen from Nintendo. I believe that it will be XBox360 powered at the most, only because that's all they would need at that time.
Nintendo's appeal stems from two main things: innovation and price-point. Next gen things like CELL, Blu-Ray could still be quite expensive. They may not even opt for an HD-DVD drive, but the manufacturing costs of 360-type hardware will go down. That's not to say that the PS3 is too expensive; rather it will still have decently up-to-date hardware at that point in time. Ergo, it will still be offered at a minimal price point that will give the company profit on each unit shipped to retail. Also, it must be noted that Nintendo almost HAS to profit from it's consoles as that is where they make most of their money. Third party titles aren't the hottest on Nintendo's platform, and I think that for the most part that history and present generation consoles show this.
As far as innovation goes, who KNOWS what they'll come up with next. I believe it's taken for granted now that all next-generation consoles will have a Wii type functionality for game control, but possibly implemented in different ways.. moreso to enhance the gaming experience. Such as Lair was to be. You have to admit that would have been an amazing experience had the controls been more off-the-cuff user friendly.
Anyways, I don't think their next machine will be a technological innovation in the way of graphics and power, but more in the way of offering something new to the table of console gaming experience. That's why they're making money this generation so well: price point, and innovation. It's an undeniable formula for success.
o yea btw smash brothers isnt only sells what like 5 6 mill tops so I doubt that will keep the system goin for another 4-5 years ....hell halo just sold that in a month
5-6 million is a huge hit.
However, Would you really be shoked if SSBB and Mario Galazy combined for 20 million sales? I'm betting on it being close when its all said and done.
at least 4 people who are waiting for Smash Bros. to get Wii's. That's more people than I knew were waiting for Halo 3.
Missing TWO holiday sales drives due to a lack of hardware availability and a lack of quality games that don't include the words Mario, Zelda, or Metroid in their title will be their downfall.
EDIT: Looks like the Phantom Disagreer is back again, or maybe someone doesn't have the common sense to realize that the Wii hasn't sold 10 million units because of it's games, but mainly because of lazy parents and novice gamers who wouldn't know the difference between Gears of War and Brute Force.
Seriously, what games are there on the Wii worth owning that I can't get for the GameCube, WITHOUT the lame dongle controls?
I have to agree with you on this because the facts are out there. Yes the console is still in demand and selling nicely but how come I don't see the software sales in the 1's like you do the 360 games. How many 360 games are million selling games. How many games on the Wii are million selling games besides the games he mentioned above. 360 is where it is at with the games. The 360 is still selling and will continue to do so and the games released for it are going to sale at a higher ratio than on the Wii. Have you seen comparisions to Madden sales, what about GHIII. Nuff said.
Corruption jumps to the gun at this point, one could argue that even the Wii Sports is a somewhat good gaming experience, albeit a bit shallow, WarioWare also is quite good once you get past the minigameshiness, Excite truck implements the use of motion controlling nicely etc etc...
So, tell me more? But hey, it's your opinion, I happen to like all of those games and many others...
needs to die already, its bad for gamers all around.
Quite the contrary, had it not been for Nintendo we don't know what would have happened to the game industry. If you were a kid in the mid to late 80s (I was) then you were more than likely a part of the "Nintendo Generation". Sure as hell wasn't Atari, they almost ruined it for everyone with their freaking Chuck Wagon and E.T. games. CHUCK WAGON!! I'd be surprised if most of you on this site even remembers those commercials but what a god awful idea for a game. And there's still a landfill full of E.T. cartridges.
I might not like a lot of the content on the Wii up until now but I'm not going to forget my NES and SNES days. Damned VirtualBoy almost ruined my eyes so I'm going to forget that I had that, even if I did buy it new for 30 bucks. Like 'em or not if you're a gamer Nintendo has had a part in it. To give you an example not a lot of people think about, think about the placement of the buttons on any controller you use.
It was Nintendo's arrogance and backstabbing that got Sony in the game in the first place, remember the joint SNES CDrom deal between Ninty and Sony? Nintendo didn't like Sony's input on the design so they backed out and stated they were going with Phillips because they offered superior hardware. Well you see what happened with the CD-I and those HORRIBLE Zelda games on it, well the sidescrolling one was alright. In any case because of a jilted Sony we got Playstation.
Actually, Nintendo went with Phillips because Sony wanted a contract with Nintendo that said that any Nintendo characters that hit Sony's SNES add on would be Sony property.
Nitnendo didn't like that, and with good reason.
So Sony, already having the designs for what was basicly a console already, entered the game against the N64 and won. It was because Nintendo wanted to work with Sony, but it actually didn't break down because of the Sony design, but the fact that Nintendo stood to lose all of their characters.
At any rate, can we please not speak of those horrible Zelda games? I'm trying to repress those memories.
You're right too, they had already signed the contract in 1988 though and realized what it meant in 1991. They gave Sony the right to control (and profit from) all CD based software that would be on the Playstation. Hahaha you gotta read the book Game Over if you haven't already, the chapter in it about this whole thing is hilarious.
The short answer to this post's question is yes.
Yes it will. Even with all their success they're half assing online gaming. Rolling in all that money you'd think they'd be investing in future ways to dominate the market. As is Nintendo is riding their Wiimote gimmick and without some effort the Wii will just burn out in a year or 2. But really Nintendo doesn't care about that either if they can make big money selling repackaged Gamecubes and the same simple games.
what scares me about nintendo is that , i want them to win , they can win, but will they do it , it can be done folks but it might be to late .Nintendo is sitting on a gold mine and nows the time to start playing hardball because the 360 is not playing around and the ps3 has a 50\50 chance of a strong comeback . heres the gold that nintendo has - nintendo has a few characters that need a wii title very soon before every third party co. uses every controll scheme that the remote can do then the great game is something we already played. a new take on punch -out needs to be work in progress NOW!! star fox needs a redo with the cinamatic feel it once had in the first 2 - this is very important it is time for a new take on the zelda world , it reached its peak with the n64 ledgend how about a spin off = like in stead of link saving the world let one of nintendos other zelda characters do it like shiek, or maybe destroy it , how about the rise of gannon ???? it could work give it a good story and great gameplay im sold . and there are a few more old characters that should be used . but the most important thing , the thing that nintendo has the brains to do and the power to do it is , make some new hardcore characters , wake up call nintendo ,rare is gone and so is killer instinct , if you cant make hardcore characters hire a company that can. i can see it now .... nintendo buys EDIOS (just an exa) not only would you have hitman and tomb radier but together you would have the same magic that rare and nintendo had once upon a time(killer instinct , donkey kong64 and country , goldeneye ,pefect dark , banjo and kazooie , jet force gemini, by the way if your a nintendo fan and you dont feel complete this is why ) . so what im saying is nintendo has to make new partnerships and invest in order to come out on top.
Yah the wii will flop hard sooner or later, its really just a game cube 2.
"The only games we know of right now that I would say are must-haves are Brawl, Endless Ocean, No More Heroes, Mario Kart, Mushroom Men, Okami, Monster Lab, Animal Crossing, Disaster: Day of Crisis, Dragon Quest Swords, and FF: CC. I know you may want more, but there will be more than just that, you can be sure, and, depending on your tastes, there may be more than that, but those games are just me, personally, as a hardcore gamer.
For the PS3 we have Devil May Cry 4, KZ2, LBP, MSG4, FF13, Singstar, GT5, Jak and Daxter, Lost Planet, and Motorstorm 2. You might be interested in more, but that's what I see that I would want, plus a few that are really hyped that I wouldn't want.
I count 10 for the PS3 and 11 for the Wii. Of course, as I said, Nintendo likes to keep secrets, while Sony is trying to show what the future holds, so I would expect the list of Wii games to grow over the next few months.
Also, on that list, 5 Wii games are NOT sequals or remakes, while only 1 fits that bill on the PS3, so the Wii should give fresher experiances.
If you have a different ideas of the must haves comming next year for the PS3, please, tell the world, but don't list a lot of games that won't be any good just to list more than 11 and say the PS3 owns the Wii, because then you just end up looking foolish as I will have to say once again that we all know Nintendo isn't letting us know everything yet."
I said this a few days ago, but no support came for the PS3. If the Wii is dead by next year's games, the PS3 will end up never selling more than 10 mil in 10 years.
Just because you are not informed of the games doesn't mean that the games are not there.
There IS no overconfidence of Nintendo at the moment.
They're selling out their systems week after week, month after month.
Developers are flocking to the Wii - now the Wii will have Okami, MH3, No More Heroes, and even SquareEnix is testing the waters with FF:CC.
It looks like GH3 may sell the most copies on the Wii, despite the recent attemps to call out the system for having low attache rates.
Any confidence that Nintendo has is completely justified at this point. They're kicking everyone elses asses. And it's not like they've stopped trying to promote their system because of how well they're doing. That's a signal over overconfidence. I see Wii commercials as much as I see commercials for the other systems - that's proof that they're still working hard to promote the Wii.
I have nothing against the 360 or the PS3, and I wish Sony and MS all the best - competition breeds success and quality. But just face it, no matter how much you want Nintendo to go away, the Wii is here to stay. Get used to it.
Nintendo has the fastest selling console of all time and the momentum right now is just remarkable. Nintendo has most of the third parties on the Wii ship. Nintendo is coming out with some sure-to-be high selling games (Mario Kart Wii, Wii Fit, Wii Music, Super Mario Galaxy, Super Smash Bros. Brawl etc.). And Nintendo's stock and net profits is through the stratosphere.
Yeah, Nintendo is arrogant but so are Sony and Microsoft.
It looks like nothing can slow down the Wii. The Wii will still be selling like hotcakes even if Godzilla stomped on Nintendo headquarters and swallowed Shigeru Miyamoto.
I am an Xbox 360 fan, but I can also see the Wii stomping the PS3. (George Forman Grill w/ blue-ray capabilities) PS3 is dying and that is why they are comming out with so many different packages, because they are desperate to start selling systems. Sony is so full of $hit, they over promis and under deliver. I say Wii60 all the way baby, all the way, and Sony I can't wait to see the PS3 in the grave!!
Owning only a Wii at the moment, I would not like to see the PS3 or the 360 in the grave. Competition breeds innovation and pricewars, both of which benefit consumers.
All consoles bring something to the table so to speak.
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