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Carmack: 'No one has tapped out this gen, raw power in next-gen not compelling enough'

TVGB: "Even with Rage looking the way it does -- it's easily among the more impressive-looking games of recent years, and running at a silky smooth 60 frames per second -- there's still more juice to be squeezed from both the 360 and PS3, says technical director and all around code god John Carmack."

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Iamback2375d ago

Glad to hear it, but I know MS will rush their next console.

Carmack is one of the first guys to get his hands on new hardware, here he sounds like he has no clue on what is MS or Sony working, which is good I guess.

CrazyForGames2375d ago

i am in no hurry whatsoever for my games to cost 69.99 why everyone else is i don't know

3styler2375d ago

You know that most of your games cost already more than that with all the DLC's and whatnot right?

ShoryukenII2375d ago

They'll cost even more with all the "elite" subscriptions.

HowarthsNJ2375d ago

Games used to cost more than 69.99 back in the 80's :-)

fluffydelusions2375d ago

This is a valid point. Next gen game prices will likely increase even more

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negative2375d ago (Edited 2375d ago )

oh yea??? you know MS will "rush" their next console?

Well it's been over 5 years already so I guess your insider knowledge has proven worthless.

CAUTION: FANBOY AT WORK!

Hellsvacancy2375d ago

Exactly, its been 5 years already, MS is late, new XBox DEFO next E3, ill bet you all now (for real cash)

gamingdroid2375d ago (Edited 2375d ago )

Personally, I can't wait for a new generation. In the computing world, half a decade is an eternity.

We can all wait for the developer to wrap his head around optimizing games using assembly (for anyone that isn't a programmer, that is a very low level language, that is as efficent as can be, but very cumbersome to use), but we are hitting the ceiling in terms of making a huge leap.

I want a new generation, and I want it now! Make it happen. It is long overdue!

Nintendo hopefully will rise to the challenge and show us some serious hardware upgrade. We want 1080p at 60 fps with all the bells and whistles.

green2375d ago (Edited 2375d ago )

Lets say the next XBOX drops fall 2012. Are you saying that 7 years is a rush? Are you saying that the PS2 and PS3 were rushed because none of their predecessors were on the shelf for 7 years before their next gen versions appeared

LeoDDestroyer2375d ago

I think that they were referring to xbox trying so hard to be first this gen that they built a faulty product.

frostypants2375d ago (Edited 2375d ago )

I HUGELY respect Carmack, but he's wrong. Think about PCs...what drives people to upgrade constantly? Graphics. And he's been one of the key forces in driving people to do that with his games. Why does he think consoles are any different? They never have been. It's all about power. Other innovative functionality can be added via peripherals. The fact that PCs are beginning to pull further and further away from consoles graphically is all the proof you need that there's not much left to squeeze out of these systems.

I just think Carmack is way, way off track in his statements. He's a great software engineer, but he's never been great with prognosticating gaming trends, and his own recent work with consoles and PCs contradicts him.

Yes, outside-the-box innovation is good, but at the end of the day, power is still king. I think the whole motion-control thing has gummed up peoples' minds on this topic. Just look at Microsoft's horrendous E3, due to their over-focus one Kinect. Those things are surely interesting, but they're just peripherals. It would be like Ferrari going to a car show and showing off nothing but the new transmission...nobody cares THAT much. They want to see new cars.

Graphics aren't everything (my current obsession is Minecraft for crying out loud), but they ARE the primary driver of hardware evolution. When it comes to hardware, core gamers want POWER, BABY. Search your souls...you all know this to be true!

Persistantthug2375d ago (Edited 2375d ago )

Why should I spend 4, 5 and $600 for a console that's only gonna provide me with INCREMENTAL GAINS over what we have now?

When I see a consumer level PC that's able to emulate at least 1 retail XBOX 360 or PS3 game (Fable 2, Halo 3, Heavenly Sword, Resistance), then I'm not interested.

PM me when that happens.

Saladfax2374d ago

You might be right frosty, but leaps and bounds are probably not what's going to happen with the next gen. Each one thus far has shown pretty remarkable improvements over the previous, but we're getting to a point where the fidelity increase will start to taper off.

Otheros002374d ago

Somethings require power to innovate. Like fully destructible environments. You can't do it without power. AI is another thing that needs power to do very well.

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Electro_UK2375d ago

Could we get better looking games that Rage? Humenah humenah...

theonlylolking2375d ago

I want better looking games @60fps. Rage has COD4 graphics and it is 2011.

Pintheshadows2375d ago

Haha, I think you missed /s.

bumnut2375d ago

you could buy a good pc and run your games at 120 fps.

ct032375d ago

Carmack has become a joke. So what's he gonna do with Rage? Finally harvest all that mythical untapped power? From what I've seen of this game so far, he'll have to eat his own words when it's out.

Redgehammer2375d ago

I find your comment to be a joke. Carmack is a brain and a half, and what is your pedigree?

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Ninver2375d ago

I doubt Rage will be breaking any new ground on current gen consoles. The game looks slightly better than Borderlands with enhanced cell shading.

If any game is gonna tap the so called "untapped power", it's gonna be a ps3 exclusive. Lets face it, it's only fact. Sony's inhouse devs have shown more competency so far this gen.

DatNJDom812375d ago

Shhhh! Don't say that kinda stuff around here. You'll be labeled as a fanboy for stating the truth.

iamgoatman2375d ago

Says the 1 bubble guy to the troll.

frostypants2375d ago (Edited 2375d ago )

Just out of curiosity, can you name one 360 game that looks better than the best looking PS3 exclusives? If you can't, doesn't that sort of support his comment? Not trolling, just being honest here. If you can prove me wrong by answering my question, please have at it.

BeOneWithTheGun2375d ago

Wait a minute, Rage has cel-shading? I'm not being sarcastic I really want to know because I HATE cel-shading. Ruined Borderlands for me and I am already concerned about The Darkness II.

IQUITN4G2375d ago

It doesn't have cel shading. Just ignore the rubbish people spout

zinkabass2375d ago (Edited 2375d ago )

That is what I said,.. I really want some kind of revolution in gaming graphics,.. Not just reso,asset reso,AA,Aniso,.. Could not care less, unless it is really SD and kind of looks like shit on HDTVs,..(lcds especially)

I want a significant jump, or totally revolutionary way of rendering and lightning...

Fuck next gen consoles,.. if they cannot even do Unreal(good Samarithan) tech demo type of stuff @ gameplay @solid frame rate @decent reso,..

“Just throwing 10 times the graphics power and turning 30hz games into 60, giving anti-aliasing, running at 1080p instead of 720p and deeper frame buffers; these are the obvious things that will happen if you give graphics programmers 8-10 times more power. They’ll suck it all up.

“Each of these things will be good, but it’s not completely clear to me that that’s going to be immediately compelling enough to make people go out and buy the next console.”

that is exactly my point,.. I really don't want there to be a PS4 yet,.. if that is all there is to next gen,..(will be probably forced because of Sony games though)

LightofDarkness2375d ago

Ray-tracing is the next big leap, it seems, and it's still some ways off. Even when it does arrive, we'll still be mixing it with rasterization in order to deliver any kind of playable performance at high details.

The other tech on the horizon happens to be voxels. We're only just now getting to the point where we have voxels small enough to compete with polygons for some geometry rendering, but for them to employed on a much larger scale requires new hardware (our current GPUs are designed for working with polygons) and is more than a generation or two away. But it has amazing possibilities, think of the destructibility of Minecraft, except every one of those big cubes is the size of a pixel. So you have realistic scenery with incredible detail, down the bone marrow inside the enemy.

zinkabass2375d ago (Edited 2375d ago )

Thanx for the insight and explanation.

frostypants2375d ago (Edited 2375d ago )

The PS3 is actually relatively good at ray-tracing, without even using the GPU (Google "alphaWorks cell raytracing"). Note the word "relatively". It's still nowhere near powerful enough to use it in a playable environment. BUT it does offer hope for the future of the Cell architecture and gaming hardware in general, and I could absolutely see it becoming viable in a not-so-distant console and/or GPU. Note that to me, "not-so-distant" is 6-10 years.

Redgehammer2375d ago (Edited 2375d ago )

Wow, it used to take weeks to ray- trace a single image on my Amiga..

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