The digital distribution wars just got personal for EA: they’ve pulled Crysis 2 from the Steam store. It’s now available on the company’s Origin service, labeled as an exclusive offering.
Good going EA >.>
Wait... DA2 and Crysis 2 are listed as $60 games. I know I bought DA2 on PC for only $50 on Steam, the usual price for PC games. Why are they $60 from EA? Shouldn't it be no more than $50 considering they're completely removing the middle man? I don't mind EA sticking all their games on their own service to promote it, I can still play them with Steam enabled. But, if they're removing the middleman _and_ raising prices, that's over the line.
Isn't that $10 usually for console versions because of some publishing fees or something? Most PC games still launch at $50 (check out the 'Coming Soon' section on Steam). A few publishers such as Activision and EA have decided to go for the $60 price. People end up buying the game anyways so they figure they might as well make more profit.
Looks like I won't ever be playing Crysis 2.
@FatOldMan: Exactly. Licensing fees and a little extra to go with it (~$5 for licensing fees and ~$5 extra profit). I'm fairly certain most PC games will still release at $50 (*looks at CoD releasing at $60, though*). Heck, you can get the PC download of DA2 on Amazon.com for $50 still, but EA's Origin site lists it at $60.
Ubisoft, EA, Activision ... there's others too. They all list their new titles for $60. It's the times, I guess. They see the extra money coming it and they're like "more please!"
if you do this to BF3 EA I will... well I don't know but I'll be super pissed and won't be playing BF3 the way I was going to
Although EA has every right to pull their games from others service, it is incredibly stupid to do so. Way to go minimizing exposure of your game! EA doesn't have enough clout to do this.... The only game I'm buying from EA anyhow is Mass Effect 3 and maybe Dead Space 2 (if it goes low enough and is the LE). Otherwise, EA can go fekk themselves.
Well regular console users pay $60 all the time since this gen started. and PC are supposed to have the superior version of the games so why should they get special treatment and pay less than consoles?? Think EA finally realized this and jumped on board. But this makes it clear that Steam is better than Origins.
@SweatyFlorida When EA releases a game on either of the consoles they have to pay license fees to Microsoft and Sony to do so, which is why you see the price difference. If EA now decide to increase their PC game prices to match those of consoles then they're essentially raking in another $10-20 in profit, which isn't fair to PC gamers. I doubt regular console users would appreciate a $20 price hike knowing all that extra dough is going straight into EA's pockets either.
that's pretty ballzy of EA. but this is how it works EA. If it's not on steam. I as a customer do not buy it. that's just way too much software I need on my pc. steam comrade impulse gog gfwl and now Origin??? I want all my games on one central platform. When it comes to BF3 I hope someone at EA has a head on their shoulders. I'd rather buy it retail than go through another client.
^ You *might* have to go through their client if they get ballsy enough. You know how a steamworks game works right? What if EA copied that and made it so that all BF3 purchases have to be activated on Origin? =p
For digital delivery... a US $60 game, taking into account the exchanged rate and adding GST it should be around $62 - 65 Aussie dollars. DeadSpace/Crysis2/Mass Effect 3 and more .... $80.. I Still cant beleive it !!!! OMG $80 on the Oz store ??????? GO F yourself EA !!!
So did Dead Space 2, Crysis 2, and most other EA Games.
I've bought plenty of their titles on Steam. I don't own Mass Effect 2's DLC simply because they don't have it on Steam. They force you to buy "BioWare points" on their site. I think I'll go with Demonoid instead of Origin for all future EA titles.
I always bought my EA games from EA Store, i don't see it as a problem.
I personally don't like the idea of using more than one download client. I want all my stuff running in steam. It's reliable, and simple.
^ pretty much this, its only steam for pc games or nothing Ironic this news comes out and Darkspore is on sale on steam :/
Most of my EA titles are either from the EA store or actual retail stores. It might not be the popular opinion, but I also like their store (not really the store, but the EA download manager). Say what you want about EA, but they did make a good client in the EA download manager (or Origin, if they're calling it that now). One activation, unlimited installs, DOESN'T NEED TO BE RUNNING = happy me.
"I always bought my EA games from EA Store, i don't see it as a problem." It increased in price from the previous location.
wtf are you doing, EA?
It is worthy of noting that if you check the BF3 page on Origin, it states that the Back2Karakand free expansion is only valid on Origin. This might explain why D2D's pre-order doesn't list the expansion and why steam has yet to make BF3 available. I suppose EA realizes that they have a killer line-up coming up and want to take the opportunity to pull PC players to their platform. Wouldn't be surprised if they keep their future games exclusive to origin. I just hope Origin behaves like the old EADM in that I don't have to leave it running at all time just to play a game. Surprised about the Crysis2 thing. You'd think with all the publishing partnerships Valve and EA have had, the two would play nice together.
Orgin beta doens't require you logging in to play. On topic, This seems really strange, Orgin or Ea only sell EA games on their store, so how is this going to take consumers from steam, steam has multiple publishers, and it's a great. I just don't see why they think having a service for just their set of game is beneficial to them.
^ Having their own store means the sale revenue goes directly to them (instead of a retailer/distributor getting a cut of the pie) I think Activision does this with a few digital games such as Starcraft2. I'm not sure what they plan to do with Origin. Whatever it is, I hope they keep running the client optional. I tried Origin and it seems to eat more memory than steam. Though I did like it's visual look.
Guess I'll have to buy BF3 retail :(
I've bought a couple of games from the old EA Store, as Theo above you said, it doesn't currently work like Steam or GFWL. The game essentially behaves like a retail game (except that, you can download it from EA's Download Manager whenever you want). So if anything, it's better than steam since you don't need any other clients running to launch the game. I was going to buy BF3 from origin anyways (along with BF2142), assuming they don't make it obligatory to have the origin client running. Though if the physical warfare pack ends up being retail-exclusive, you might as well go for retail for the extra items. Though I'd expect EA to make the pack available on Origin too.
I already ordered battlefield 3 from retail, I paid £23 which is a pretty good deal. How can it be cheaper on disc than dd?
who cares? Crysis 2 was a pile of failure. on the other hand... it leaves me worried whether EA will take out more games...
I smell anti-competitive practices....
From EA? No way!
How is it anti-competitive to pull your game off of the largest internet store and try selling it yourself? Im all ears, please do tell.
I gotta admit, I know badjournalism meant well with his statement, but I did get a pretty big chuckle at it because it didn't make any sense to me either.
Taking a popular products and isolating it to one vendor is anti-competitive. The other vendors cant compete because they don't have the product, hense the prefix "anti". Trying to sell it yourself is not anti competitive but only selling it yourself is. I could understand if they were a small dav and selling it themselves was the only way to do it but they're EA. Instead of getting the great deals you'd get from Steam or other DD providers your stuck with EA's 59.99 pricetag because there is no competition to lower the price.
***Taking a popular products and isolating it to one vendor is anti-competitive. *** Only if doing so would result in an imbalance in said market. For example, it isn't anti-competitive when only one broadband carrier offers a specific phone, such as the iPhone for its first few years out on the market. Steam already controls the majority of digital PC game sales in North America. Removing EA games won't change this.
But the concept is sound. Having the iPhone only with AT&T was anti competitive because no one could compete with product pricing. Now, Verizon has the iPhone AT&T dropped the price to 49.99. Those whole point is competition. If a business practice removes competition than it's anti-competitive by nature. Whether it's right or wrong in an other issue but it is what it is. You seem to be looking at it from the perspective of the seller not the consumer. The consumer doesn't care if Steam is the biggest DD provider, the consumer cares if they're getting a good deal. Keeping products exclusivity to one seller doesn't allow good deals to happen. Taking away pricing competition is anti-competitive.
*** Now, Verizon has the iPhone AT&T dropped the price to 49.99.*** That happened because it's the 3GS phone and practically no one is buying it anymore since the iPhone 4 is out. That did not happen because Verizon was added. For example, the iPhone 4 is still the same price it was when it was originally released on AT&T, just now the same price with both service providers. *** If a business practice removes competition than it's anti-competitive by nature.*** But it doesn't remove competition. You can still buy this for the PC at other retailers. They only limit the digital distribution of it, which is far from enough to make a claim of anti-competitive practices. ***Taking away pricing competition is anti-competitive.*** Crysis 2 @ Origin EA: $59.99 Crysis 2 @ Amazon.com: $51.96 on disc or $47.99 as download Removing it from Steam doesn't remove your options for buying the PC game.
What in the world is Valve competing about the FIRST I've heard of origina was at EA's confrence and I can't tell if it's new or old. EA, realize a great deal of profit can be made by selling their stuff at 100% HOWEVER They fail to see that there's a great deal of cost involved, update, dlc, anti-cheat... you get the picture. IT COSTS A LOT OF MONEY. Something Valve has overcome BY HAVING A LOT OF PEOPLE SENDING THEIR GAMES IN. Ok, ok... battlefield 3 will still sell, but really EA do you even for one second think ANYONE will turn on your store daily? People will log-in to buy BF3 and only use it to play BF3. They won't use it to buy other stuff.... like your indie games, the ones that don't have a 200 million ad budget. So after this do you think Valve will just let you release the smaller games on their store while you keep the big ones for yourself? Activision are the only ones who can create a store, they chose not to... they aren't big enough. YOU AREN'T BIG ENOUGH. Suck it up, your losing 30% to Sony and Microsoft and more to retailers, lose however much Valve charges you. YOU CAN'T CONTROL PC NOT NOW. EDIT: Did not know about Activision and that's the point, not many people will know. Also, updating system can be VERY costly indeed, as can a lot of thing Valve provides, the back-end to steam is beyond belief... It's not just some dude on a computer type titles, it's many people on servers etc, you need a support line. While some may not see it as valuable but for users having a hub is brilliant.
"They fail to see that there's a great deal of cost involved, update, dlc, anti-cheat." To be fair, the costs involved are just server maintenance. Updates and DLC aren't all that different from general game downloads (although I don't think Origin has auto-updates/patching yet) Anti-cheat isn't provided by the digital distributor. Activision does have it's own digital store. So do a lot of other publishers. EDIT: Yea, steam's function is bigger, but it also handles a lot more games from various publishers. EA has been running their Store for quite a while now, and they feel they're ready to take the next step with Origin. They'll only be handling EA games by the looks of things, so they should have an easier workload than steam.
Here's how I see it: I say let them do whatever they want. It's not affecting me, since I've bought things from the EA store before and I really like their download manager (better than the steam client in some ways, worse in others). BUT ... if they want to keep getting my business, especially if they're selling their games exclusively from here on in, then they need to be competitive with their prices. If not, I'll just go to amazon or retail stores. If I can get a game cheaper on amazon than I can on the Origin or EA store thing, then I'll go to amazon every time.
Valve games if I remember correct, digitally are only sold on Steam
They just cut a huge chunk of their market out right there... That was pretty idiotic, not to mention greedy.
Petty EA that is just petty. Although i plan to buy two of your games this year i will be giving you my money with a pinch of salt
They don't care how much salt you give them. THEY HAVE YOUR MONEY. XD
really! just buy it when its cheaper or better yet used!
LOL i know xD but i can't resist buying SWTOR and Battlefield 3 :D
I am all for competition but IF EA continues this trend and ultimately uses Origin to keep all EA games exclusively, I will not support it and I hope it dies a horrible death.....segregating the community is bad, mkay? Sucks that BF3 is EA because i MUST buy that game....I can probably live without most other EA games...ok maybe not ME3..or Kingdoms of Amular...or Dead Space(s)...NOOO!!!! COMON EA, DON'T DO THIS!! edit: I say this in regards to my love for Steam as a one-stop shop...EA should use Origins for exclusive "sales" and let people who love Steam buy it full price if they want it on Steam....I think that makes more sence...keeps mostly everybody happy...ok, maybe not all but at least me lol
Segregating? Do you mean splitting up Steam into Steam and Origin? What about D2D, Impulse, GoG, Gamersgate, etc.? I think the PC download market is segregated enough. If you actually use it and hate it, fine. I've used it and I like it a bit better than the steam client ONLY because it doesn't need to be running in the background when you play single player games (unlike steam, using up lots of memory).
All those other digital download services are not fully interactive like Steam and how Origin claims to be. (ie. chat and such) By making all EA games exclusive to Origin, if EA goes that route, I feel it might segregate the community. Steam is a great online service, very competitive to PSN and M$Live (actually better in my eyes), which lumps PC gamers into one big community. Do we really need another service like this? Wouldn't you like to play any game and interact with any friend through one client? My fear is that this might lead to making too many pools of gamers, thus segregating the PC population. If EA sees some success you can then bet that next Activision makes another service like battle.net exclusive to all their games.....then THQ...then Ubisoft...hopefully this is just an over-exaggerated thought. As for the Origin client, I will admit that I have not used it so I have nothing negative to say about the quality. But for your last comment, my Steam client is currently using 61megs of 6gigs of RAM....I don't see that as "lots" I am an average gamer so if I am wrong and proven wrong I will gladly thank those for correcting me. This is just how I see it with my limited knowledge and view. I truly do hope Origin is a good thing because competition is good for the consumer....I just have a bad feeling about it, tho. :|
Wow, any chance I had of picking up this game is now gone. What pisses me off even more is the fact this this no doubt means Battlefield 3 will only be on Origin.
I only buy off of Steam for digital copies. Period. Another stupid move on EA's part imo.
Steam + GoG.com for me so far. I have no issue buying from EA's store option if it's a game I want since I can play any game with Steam, even if I didn't buy it from them.
No wonder they quit onlive.
Wait... so BF3 for PC won't even be sold in physical retail stores?
Pretty sure there will be retail versions but as for digital downloads it'll prolly be Origin only
I have it reserved through my local gamestop
For me its actually a very good thing. I live in india and over here games usually sell for 20-22$. On Steam it will only be available for 50$. But on the origin page for india its listed as 999rs which is equal to 22$. So am a happy chap
Well that is actually pretty cool....I have no oversight on those types of issues concerning services like Steam (being from the US) but I guess I can see how this could be a good thing for some.
well i guess i wont be buying crysis 2 now. I was waiting for it go on a steam sale but now that its been pulled I highly doubt i will buy it and if i do it shall be retail when its like 10 bucks cause I really like having all my games bound to steam. Oh well power to you ea for trying something sorta new but if it fails you better put it back. I personally think they should offer it on both just do better deals on there origin program if they wanna win some people
Its Steam,GOG,and D2D on my end.I don't plan on using Origin now or ever.
People seem to forget EA are just as bad as activision, they are all corparate wankers, id honestly like to see DICE get enough money to go out on their own or perhaps find a publisher who will give them the freedom to market their game and sell their game where they want. The pre - order exlusives are just one lame idea and Origin is just another.
Hopefully Steam will have some kind of a "#@#$ you EA" sale over this. :)
Maybe because Steam policies are stupid and they offer zero support to their customers? Lets see now... 1. Steam games can only be activated at 9 AM instead of on the stroke of midnight like other digital downloads. Want to stay up late to play that hot new release? Sorry, we can't activate your game now because we're all at home watching Glee. 2. Want the latest patch that fixes broken stuff and new content? Sorry, the patch came out on Friday and at Steam, gaming is a Monday to Friday business hence the guy who pushes the button these patches has gone home. Don't worry, he'll be back on Monday and you'll get patch at 5:00 PM. Oh what? You need same patch as the game's server so you can play online? Cry more noob, and wait until Monday. 3. So the patch is finally here. See that didn't take long...but oh, we have our own ways of doing things here at Steam. So instead of downloading a small 250mb file like everyone else, you get to download the entire game again. All 7 to 9 gigs of it!! It'll only take an hour or two, not too bad, and you'll have to redownload the entire game again each time there's a new patch. But look on the bright side, you brought your game on Steam and it comes with achievements! Yay?
Being an owner of "The Witcher 2" on Steam, I sadly agree this post. Downloading 9gb for a 50meg patch sucks... Besides the three facts pointed out by Fanboi, I still love Steam and Valve! Here's to hoping they, someday, change their release day policies and fix their boinked (for lack of more fitting but vulgar word) patching system.... edit: yah yah I know I know...I should of bought TW2 on GoG....hindsight is a b :(
I have to pay tax with Origin. Not with steam.... GTFO EA
Do you live in California?
New York. And Im not 100% sure about the tax with origin BUT before when I used EA download manager and the EA store, I had to pay tax
Wow you have to pay tax with Origin? Thats an extra $5 I can save. Looks like ill be sticking with steam.
Hm EA vs Steam, that fight isn't going to end well. If EA were dismayed about software sales on the PC before then they haven't seen anything yet if they cut steam out of the equation. The only thing I don't understand is why does Valve still use this cretinous publisher to publish it's games ? Surely when you have a publishing partner that takes every opportunity to metaphorically "knife you in the back" you would want to break ties with that partner.
I think its a good move hate it or not though, steam was a monopoly for digital anywayz, i think every company wanted to see if it works that's why they gave their stuff to steam, just like how hulu there used to be almost every tv show but now you have to go to their site if you want to watch the full episodes like hbo.com and nbc.com. But like everyone say they need to price their games right or it gonna fail.
yeah, I think what people don't realize is Activision, Ubisoft, Valve, etc. all of these guys and more already do this. Stardock only sells on impulse, Valve only sells on Steam ... EA mentioned during E3 they would do this. They just have to be competitive and they will get fans. They need to price their games like everyone else is, have sales (like their Facebook sales which kick ass) and they'll be fine.