NightmareMode delves into why the Wii U's future doesn't look too bright. From a single Wii U controller per console to the system's proprietary disk format, we break down all the system's flaws and ponder the questions Nintendo has left us with.
The biggest concern Nintendo has is are the third party support going to use the hardware in a different way. With a lot of people owning either a PS3 or 360 the third part support would need to have enough level of functionality (especially in the first two years) to make people instead of picking up a £40 spending money on this. I know exclusives sell systems but is Mario, Zelda and other going to do it. They have the functionality but in early console selling period third party games matter (not going to release all exclusives day 1)
its would be easy to make something just like the other guy but this isnt how nintendo works. Never has. It is almost like we are expecting the systems to be the same like when you go to buy a tv or movie player. You have all these brands and you know the basic functionality is the same so you base your choice on name or experience or features. Playing a game should not be about anything other than putting the game in and pressing start. Nintendo went back to that simplicity with the wii but changed the manner in which we played with their controller. Keep in mind their controller was the focal point for the wii. So now the controller again is the focal point for the wii-u. As if they upgraded the box like any other company that comes out with the next version. It playes the same as before but now it has a new remote to learn all the stuff it can do. Wii-u is the evolutionary hop as opposed to the revolutionary jump when it comes to the actual console. Every system is basically viewed like that but its controller is the revolutionary jump like the wii-mote was when it came out.
Man... the wii-mote was as revolutionary as the lambada or the macarena.
Why would the disc format make the future not look too bright? It's the exact same as a Blu-ray, except this way they don't support their rival. The one good point he made is that tech demos don't support consoles. A lot of actual games are now being shown though, so that problem is going away. I'm also sure that tons of more games will be shown at the Tokyo Game Show and next years E3.
The lack of blu-ray means it's not going to play disc-based HD movies. More and more, game consoles are expanding to entertainment hubs. And while online streaming is definitely the future, right now blu-ray is a big deal. To skip over it seems like a pretty significant oversight. On it's own, it's not that big of a deal. Obviously the 360 manages to survive even on the archaic DVD format. However, as I'm sure some 360 owners would like the system to support blu-ray, so too will people want blu-ray on the Wii U. Is it a fatal flaw? No. Does it matter when it's another fault in a long list of faults the console seems to have? Yes.
Well I don't consider the Wii U to have a long list of faults, especially considering we don't know anything about it (which may be it's only real fault), I do see where you are coming from. To me though, Blu-ray will never be as big as DVD was, and online streaming will probably do very well on the Wii U.
" And while online streaming is definitely the future, right now blu-ray is a big deal. To skip over it seems like a pretty significant oversight." Whoever thinks this is some type of fanboy. Anyway, they don't have to have games on a Blu-ray disc, obviously. And I'm rather sure theres some research that would probably say streaming is more popular than Blu-ray. Having a Blu-ray drive for movies is another solution, if they so choose, and they haven't spilled the beans on what all is exactly under the hood.
movie playback is not a concern for nintendo. Hasnt been for some time. The only system to get "official" movie playback via disc was made by panasonic and it was a gamecube hybrid. Nintendo is all about games and if the disc they chose was the failed HDDVD then so be it. I always thought the format was suitable for games when it lost to bluray. MS could have used it for that from then on but stuck to their guns and has now revised their dvd discs to suit games more so than movies. Why we are under this idea that every system has to have the same or similar features is beyond me. Looking back, systems all played carts and they were of different capacities and shapes and sizes. That didnt stop developers from making games for those platforms. I mean really, game data is game data and if nintendo used a 5.25 floppy for their system is fine with me so long as the developers are able to use it for their intended purpose. And by that, I am referring to the type of medium not the capacity.
The key word is 'right now' BLU-RAY is a big deal. There was a time that DVD was a 'big deal'. There was a time that CD was a 'big deal'. The problem, not being able to watch a movie on a video game system has never had anything to do with success or failure. And please do not bring up the Dreamcast because not having DVD is not what killed it. The fact that people bootlegged the bejabbers out of the Dreamcast is what killed it. The Nintendo Wii without DVD or BLU-RAY capability at all has sold 86 million units. The PS3 with BLU-RAY capability has sold 50 million copies. Having the ability to watch a disc-media in no way, shape, or form has anything to do with a console's success as the proof is in the numbers. As a matter of fact, the 360 was behind the PS3 in overall console sales and with the advent of the Kinect (a VIDEO GAME feature) it surpassed Sony. With the explosion of Netflix, Pandora, Hulu Plus, and other movie services who needs a BLU-RAY player IN the video game console? I don't buy a game console to watch movies. I buy a video game console to....... Wait for it.....WAIT FOR IT..... PLAY VIDEOS GAMES!!!!!! What a novel idea eh? Having BLU-RAY is convenience, not a necessity. Anyone who thinks not having BLU-RAY in the Wii U will have any part of it failing is either a fanboy whom want it to fail and is grasping at straws to find something to back up their biased opinions, or an COMPLETE idiot. Period.
@Darthv72: Movie playback might not be a concern for Nintendo, but it's definitely a concern for the growing population who expect their game consoles to be more than devices to play games on. @D2K: While DVD playback may not have killed the Dreamcast, it definitely lead to the initial success of the PS2. Just like the PS3 led to Blu-Ray winning the format wars. You are a fool if you think these two don't go hand in hand. And while you might buy game consoles only to play games and nothing else, I'd say the average 360 player who spends 40%+ of their time watching shows and movies disagrees with you. Or the 36% of Netflix users who watch content on their PS3s. Again, is not having Blu-Ray a massive, catastrophic failure for the system? No. Is it a flaw nonetheless? Yes. Simple as that.
The biggest fault so far is they didn't mention anything other than a new disc type for the actual console itself. This has to be one of the most vague product unveilings in history.
With the Wii at least they showed some actual gameplay from launch games. Now we'll probably have to wait until the TGS for that. Hopefully someone can dissect this baby and give us some real details.
Uh no. Actually when the Revolution was first unveiled at E3 2005 they did NOT show any games or describe the Wii-Remote AT ALL. It wasn't until TGS 2005 that they unveiled the Wii-Remote, and it wasn't until E3 2006 that we saw the games in action. So actually, people got more this time around when Nintendo first unveiled their new system than when they did at E3 2005.
we know that the Wii U will only support 1 Tablet per console, it will not have a centric online service and it will cost more than $250... Things aren't looking so bright if you ask me. For the time this console is out the PS3 and X360 will be cheaper, offering better online service and wider game catalogs. And from a multiplat perspective devs are not going to go out of their way to make one version superior than the other even if the Wii U turns out to be more powerful than the other consoles. Developers always try to make all versions equal so people doesn't feel like they are paying $60 for an inferior version.
"we know that the Wii U will only support 1 Tablet per console" I actually thought i read it supports two and and possibley 3ds's (in other articles).....unless i read wrong?
FUD...nothing to see here.
Agreed. Nintendo is doomed ver 2.0. Remember how they said the Wii would fail? Yeah, how did that one work out? Next to nothing is known about Wii U, it's still an unkown quantity and way too early to be passing judgement on it's success or failure.
The future is as bright as ever. This is just another troll who doubts nintendo. Then nintendo burns them and then they come out with an article why its succeeding. Not to mention its only 1 wii u controller for NOW. The system doesnt come out for over a year. They will figure it out
"Already, I know a lot of you will say it’s far too early to make the bold claim my headline infers. “The console isn’t coming out for another year at the earliest. A lot can change in 12-18 months.” you will say, and I agree. What we know about the Wii U now is not indicative of how the system will fare when it’s finally released. However, that doesn’t mean we should ignore what we currently know about the system until it’s launch." Way to read the article there, big guy. Oh wait, no. You didn't. You took one glance at the headline, your fanboy mentality kicked in, and you decided to rant about how any negative remarks about Nintendo must be a troll. The piece is concise and well thought out. It addresses that there are things we don't know about the console or things that could possibly change in the future. Perhaps a little reading will suit you well in the future.
its a trolling article.
well said my friend, few people in this thread seem to have read the article which brings up valid and developed opinions.
I have one question, does the wii-u come close to the hardware specs of ps3 and 360? If yes than i see some kind of innovation going on here.Its not a bad idea what Nintendo is attemting to do. Nintendo is changing the way we play games.
Day one. It's going to sit right next to my Ps3.
The thing that I don't get is why would I want to play 3rd party games on the Wii U after a few months of release. Like Batman Arkham City. Just give be Super Smash Bros and Legend of Zelda.
Did you hear anything we didn't? are they gonna stop developing games after the release of the Wii U? Or are they going to delay each Wii U version intentionally? I really can't understand why people don't see the potential? it's going to change the way people play games, just imagine having all the menus only in the controller or the HUD, or imagine playing a game with a sensor like CoD to sense life forms around you. the interaction is going to be higher on that controller and the immersion is going to be much much better. Nintendo lost me since the N64 and won me over with the Wii-U, can't wait for preorder to start.
I don't care about using the stupid ass controller, and the 4 people who disagreed with me are plain Nintendo fanboys.
the WiiU wont get much support when the PS4/720 is out. cause atm the WiiU will pretty much get every PS3/360 game, but once the true next gen consoles come out all 3rd party will move over to them after 2 years and just leave nintendo making games and the most money from it like every nintendo system.
the Wii U is next gen and confirmed more powerful than the existing consoles by a pretty good margin (as stated by devs already involved). Even if it's the weakest of the next three, developers will develop for it as long as it's lucrative for them and the platform sales are strong. People think developers are attracted to the most powerful machine, but this couldn't be further from the truth. Developers like simple architecture with some room to grow. Look at how many studios closed this gen because they couldn't keep up. If the hardware is super powerful, developers will not care to utilize it until it makes sense and they can afford it. By the time people start utlizing the next xbox and playstation consoles to their full potential, the Wii U will have been in lock step for years. Not a problem. Then, they release another console and the same thing happens. This is why the least powerful consoles USUALLY fair the best. Nintendo believes they have the best strategy, and regardless of if that's true, it's still a solid strategy. PS3 is more powerful than 360, but developers don't care. They go with brand power and development affordability, which is why the 360 still fairs so well. It's been the preferred lead platform for years for this very reason, and only very recently have we seen developers start leading on PS3 because they've gotten there finally and the brand is of course strong. PS3 will start to be lead platform, Wii U will reap the benefit of being more powerful, Xbox will release, Wii U or Xbox will become lead, PS4 releases. Repeat. Share your opinion if you disagree.
I can't see this iPad...sorry, I mean Wii U controller being beneficial to gameplay. It's interesting, but does it really enhance the experience?
Does the Dual Shock 3?
I really can't understand why people don't see the potential? it's going to change the way people play games, just imagine having all the menus only in the controller or the HUD, or imagine playing a game with a sensor like CoD to sense life forms around you, imagine playing MGS and the radar is in the controller or the radio... the interaction is going to be higher on that controller and the immersion is going to be much much better. Nintendo lost me since the N64 and won me over with the Wii-U, can't wait for preorder to start.
man i love these daily nintendo hate articles on n4g were the person doesn't know what they are talking about!!!nintendo already said they are looking into using more than one tablet controller.and when playing hardcore games like ghost recon and darksiders 2 or batman you can use the classic controller pro,classic controller,or wii remote plus with nunchuk!!!!cause they know core gamers like the same controls they have always used.but those games will use the tablet controller in new and exciting ways so i hope that clears up the controller situation for people who read articles that don't know what they are talking about!!!!! now on to the online it has already been confirmed there will be no friend codes and it will have a account base system were you can have different user names on one system like xbox 360 or ps3!!!and theres a rumour that it will have a achievement system to. and its way to early for crap like this.wii u might be great or terrible it just way to early to judge.this article shows the author's hate for nintendo!!!
I only wish they had shown us more. I was left more or less clueless about the console, and they literally only showed us how they could possibly use the tablet, and never showed us if they can have two at once or anything, or if they will have another real controller, etc. Like, they answered basically nothing, and raised a heck of a lot more questions. Ohhh, wow.. There's a flower and a fish.. and more fish.. Yep. Totally understand now, Nintendo. Thanks for clearing everything up, pal. .. just kidding.
Yawn... another lame blog article to try and get hits...