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Iwata on Wii U price: "This is not going to be cheap"

But Nintendo boss isn't ready to put a ballpark price on the upcoming console (Wii U)

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SuperSaiyan4  +   1197d ago
All I have to say is
O RLY?
Titanz  +   1197d ago
Dang!
Nintendo all about powerful hardware now.
Active Reload  +   1197d ago
I'm tempted to say that that might be the funniest headline this year xD
Anarki  +   1197d ago
You got lucky with Wii, the only reason it did well was because of the price. If this costs more than a PS3... I have really bad news for you, Nintendo.
StanSmith  +   1197d ago
If this is £250 - £300 then i'll be in day one. Any higher and i'd probably wait until a price drop.
AAACE5  +   1197d ago
Like I said... It will cost $400!

"Value for money"... That's what Sony said before we got hit with a $500 price tag!
zeal0us  +   1197d ago
it better be cheap seeing as you(nintendo) aren't selling individual controllers on it.

Minus all the controller hate, kinda didn't expect it to be cheap not with the specs and all, oh w8 what specs they won't release the info on it.
captain-obvious  +   1197d ago
so another 64/gamecube in the making ?
SilentNegotiator  +   1197d ago
If it's "on par" with the ps3/360 in power, than I'll bet that controller will end up creating a price barrier.
It would be interesting if this controller, which from E3 is obviously the focus of the system (Like the "revolutionary" Wiimote, lol), ended up being its biggest downfall. Just like how the much weaker, and only about equal in features, 3DS is $250 like its soon-to-be competition, likely thanks to its expensive and ineffective screen.

"If this is £250 - £300 then i'll be in day one"
Seriously? Why would anyone say "Day one" with what we know so far? What games are you going to get? Some game from EA or Ubisoft that released a year ago on the ps3/360? Or was it Lego Theft Auto that made you know you just HAD to have it?
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StanSmith  +   1197d ago
I said day one because i like the idea of the controller. We have already been given a good idea what it can do.
Also as an alternative to playing on my PS3 or 360, i sometimes like to just sit back, chill out and play some Mario/Mario kart/Donkey Kong/Metroid/Zelda. If you can tell me where i can play future HD versions of these titles without buying the WiiU then by all means show me. Thats why i can say "Day One" with confidence.
darksied  +   1197d ago
@Marioftw

The problem is how many of those games can you know for sure will actually be available day one, when you buy your console?
StanSmith  +   1197d ago
I'm not saying they will be there day one but they will come. I purchased my PS3 Day one because i knew MGS4 was going to be available on it. All the consoles have lackluster launch line ups but it has never stopped me buying one as there is always some game i know i'll want to play.
Sarcasm  +   1197d ago
$599.99

LMAO
Peaceful_Jelly  +   1197d ago
I bet the Tablet alone will be like $150... Then at least $200 for the console plus Tax; expect 400 dollars as the least.

Just look at the 3DS compared to the NGP. Same price yet the 3DS can't compete with the NGP in raw specs nor features... But Sony's gonna sell it at a loss, something Nintendo never does.
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Ju  +   1197d ago
The controller will be its biggest downfall. It will work for certain games, but for fast action based games it simply detracts from the focus of the big screen. If not utilized properly, this controller would not be the first choice.

First, its not comfi to play a shooter with such a huge controller, and second, imagine to get shot every time you look down on the controller to read some stats.

It'll work great for some games - but imagine, that game stays live while you look at your inventory. And, bam, your dead. Having an inventory on screen forces the action to pause. I don't have a good feeling about that. We'll find out. I like the raw power of the device. Just give me a DS3 with it (not another shitty Nintendo controller).
Peppino7  +   1197d ago
Say goodbye to your casual and young audience.
darthv72  +   1197d ago
it will be....
$349-399 tops. They wouldnt even think of going into the 3do/ps3 range or (shutters at the thought) laseractive price range ($1000).

It will be more than the wii was at launch ($299) but will be less than the ps3 was at launch ($499 for the 20gb)
HardCover  +   1197d ago
"Say goodbye to your casual and young audience."

I'm sure third parties will be happy to continue releasing easy-to-develop games for the Wii audience.
thesummerofgeorge  +   1197d ago
I think it'll be a tough sell to the casual gamers if it's more than $300. I'm a bit puzzled by the direction(s) Nintendo seems to be going, but what do I know...
SkyGamer  +   1197d ago
The price for the 60 gb launch ps3 was 599.99. I have one. Got it for free bout a year ago. Nintendo can drop the price of the 3DS once the vita comes out. That means they have a year and drop the price to 199.
fossilfern  +   1197d ago
This whole Wii U announcement was poorly handled and Nintendo need to get this system out soon if its out near the end of 2012 thats a big problem because Sony and MS could have anounced their new systems
RankFTW  +   1197d ago
Well I think it's time we all got 2nd and 3rd jobs.
darthv72  +   1197d ago
@rank
if you have a ps3 then you already should.
BYE  +   1197d ago
Current gen hardware. Can't you do better Nintendo?
ZombieAssassin  +   1197d ago
I have a feeling NiN is not going to want to lose money on every console sold so they'll prolly charge between 350-450$
badz149  +   1196d ago
is anybody expecting it to be cheap at all?
even Kinect is sold for $150! what makes anybody thinks the Wii U controller will cost less?? and that's not even counting in the console itself yet!
pain777pas  +   1197d ago
If they pack enough VALUE in the box I am still listening but listening only. Show me the games at TGS thanks!
eagle21  +   1197d ago
Cheap to him could be $199. You never know. I say $349...because that's not "cheap"..nor too expensive.
AWBrawler  +   1197d ago
competitively priced to 360 and PS3? I say between $350-$400

banking on $350
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theonlylolking  +   1197d ago
They over price the 3ds so they will probably over price this as well.

FYI the 3ds costs $100 to make.
StbI990  +   1197d ago
Nintendo is bound to fail this gen, would love to see nin fanboy crawl back to humbleness once again in a while lololol
NESpower  +   1197d ago
Yeah, with the Wii now outselling 360 again...the Wii U is going to "fail"? Buddy, I "fail" to see your logic. If anything, the Wii U will have a massive lead that both sony nor microsoft will be able to catch. And even if Wii U trumps PS3 in specs, then gets trumped by PS4 in specs...who cares? The weakest console has always won.
stuntman_mike  +   1197d ago
@nespower

sales numbers doesnt matter to real gamers. we go where the games are be it Wii, PS3, 360 ect.
White-Sharingan  +   1197d ago
@NESpower - Are you done sucking on Nintendo's balls?

"the Wii U will have a massive lead that both sony nor microsoft will be able to catch."

Lead in what? sales? sure, games? nah. When MS and Sony eventually release their consoles, they will probably be beast consoles compared to the Wii U, and the same cycle will happen all over again: devs will cease to support the Wii U in favor for the other two powerful consoles..

" The weakest console has always won."

I don't even know how to respond to this, because of the sheer stupidity that's in this single sentence. You actually believe that history will repeat itself over and over and over again? you actually believe nintendo will be the dominant handheld king for eternity? I bet most thought the same thing about Nintendo consoles...before playstation arrived ;)

You don't know what the future brings, you don't know who will be the dominant one. You don't know if a new company will rise. Nintendo could fall one day, just like Sega.
ZombieAssassin  +   1197d ago
@White-Sharingan
"the same cycle will happen all over again: devs will cease to support the Wii U in favor for the other two powerful consoles.. "

Actually I see the 360/ps3 getting a lot of support still after Ps4/NextBox and since the WiiU prolly won't be tooo much more powerful they'll put the games on their as well. Don't get me wrong I think it's stupid for NiN to keep releasing weak consoles because unless they keep being able to get gimmicks it'll eventually come back to bite them in the ass.
Brock Danger  +   1197d ago
@ White-sharigan

"I don't even know how to respond to this, because of the sheer stupidity that's in this single sentence."

Thank you, awesomely put.
Darkfocus  +   1197d ago
Me on Wii U
"I am not going to buy"
nopunctuation  +   1197d ago
Nintendo is really pusing the casuals limited loyalty. I guess they are going to rely on the wii name (no other nintendo console has used the same name twice) and overcharge to sell.
orange-skittle  +   1197d ago
Wii U is a CONTROLLER not A CONSOLE
You would have to be a moron to pay $250 for a controller when the NPG is the same price. They would destroy themselves and no casual adult is going to pay that for additional hardware since the old stuff still works. This will not take off and Sony will show what portable gaming is all about. I was never a Sony fan, but they have something special on their hands and it's priced nicely. Nintendo is going to do okay, but fall short of expectation. Can you say PSP GO
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SkittlesLikesPopcorn  +   1197d ago
orange skittle huh?

Anyway i agree with that. That Controller is a bad idea for Wii U.
fatstarr  +   1197d ago
299$ called it
dantesparda  +   1197d ago
Then Nintendo is seriously f-ing up! Thats all i got to say. Success has a way of always "stupifying" corporations. It seems that they never learn, but rather are always on some stupid bs track
SkittlesLikesPopcorn  +   1197d ago
absolutely, but it DOES appear to be a normal cycle... What happened after PS2 's success? a 600$ console from SONY?

Wii did good and now its time for Nintendo to get owned. It never ends.
dantesparda  +   1196d ago
Agreed!
DigitalRaptor  +   1197d ago
Nintendo already made innumerable heaps of cash with Wii and DS, through simplicity.

I think now they're ready to innovate without limitations of the hardware.
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LastDance  +   1197d ago
possibly, but perhaps they should study the launch of the PS3 and move with caution
ZombieAssassin  +   1197d ago
Thing is I bet the tech in the WiiU is more powerful than ps3/xbox but I doubt it's that costly so they'll be able to launch cheaper and prolly not lose as much money on each console sold if any at all as we all know they don't like to do that. I doubt we'll have another generation where a console gets as much flak as the Ps3 did, and to be honest the main reason it did is becaues high price point and they completely ruled last gen so the media likes to use anything they can.
MoveTheGlow  +   1197d ago
Simplicity and low prices, DigitalRaptor. Wii and DS were relatively cheap upon their release. Nintendo has been tight-lipped about every hardware spec, and the price that would be attached to that hardware. If something comes out that only slightly tops the PS3/360 in visual quality, but is as pricey or more so than those systems, it's just not going to be attractive to PS3/360 gamers.

It's also not going to be attractive to gamers that already have a Wii that their Wii games won't be upscaled: http://bit.ly/klUYoi , or that it'll only support one tablet (casuals will hate that, a one-cool-controller system is nothing to show off at a party): http://bit.ly/l3XZYE , or that Gamecube support ends with Wii U: http://bit.ly/l7GK75 . Also, remember that a strong Yen and a weak everything-else doesn't bode well for low prices outside of Japan, and the global economy is... er, a little different than the last time Nintendo released a home console.

Hopefully, this is just because they're not ready with all that stuff yet. Maybe at TGS they'll show off some amazing games, give us the specs, find a way to support more than one tablet controller, and we'll all jump for joy. At the moment, though, we're a bit uneasy, and I'm hoping that it's because we have a poor amount of information on the system, which is Nintendo's blunder.
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dubal-e  +   1197d ago
To me 250 is cheap, considering handhelds sell for that now, if I can get a console for that I'm happy.
orange-skittle  +   1197d ago
Ahhhhh...
It's not a console genius. It's a controller
dubal-e  +   1197d ago
No its a console there genius, you better thank (No Child Left Behind). There's a new controller too but there's also a new console.
MoveTheGlow  +   1197d ago
Skittle, Dubal-E is mistaken about something completely different. Wii U *is* a new console. The problem is that it will be *more than* (I wish we had bold or italics here!) $250, not that it'll be $250. If it were $250, that would be somewhat reasonable given what we know, but as I'm saying above, we don't know enough yet.
orange-skittle  +   1197d ago
Unless you saw a different conference than I did, IT IS NOWHERE NEAR A NEW HOME CONSOLE. IT'S AN iTABLET CONTROLLER/PORTABLE GAME CONSOLE.
MoveTheGlow  +   1197d ago
http://e3.nintendo.com/hw/#...

"Nintendo's next home console." Straight from the N's mouth. And these mention it also:

http://www.giantbomb.com/ne...

http://www.engadget.com/201...

Check out the Engadget picture: does that look like a Wii? It's no Wii Slim (or Fat, I guess).

Now, if you have the opinion that the tech is just Wii again, I understand that, but it's classified as a new home console. Not a portable console; a home console with one (and apparently only one) tablet controller, which you can stream the game to or get a different vantage point.

Or you could always follow the news. It'll save you some fury. And some caps.
VampiricDragon  +   1197d ago
the ps3 was 600 new.

The 360 was 400 new

Why expect different?

Especialyl if the system is more powerful technically?

@max
thats not true

Miyamoto said they are going to find a way to use miltiples of the tablet controller. Its basically 1.5 years away.

Nothing is final
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HeavenlySnipes  +   1197d ago
Its going to be hard
for Nintendo this time. They have to try and sell the controller (that thing is probably worth $100+) and the console (that is equal if not slightly better than the PS3/Xbox).
PsycheMax  +   1197d ago
But you can use only ONE controller of that kind!
Only one Ipad controller for Wii U. So... who cares for the price of that under-powered iPad (and that's all to say XD), this thing must be inside the box of the console!
Biggest  +   1197d ago
I would expect different because the PS3's price was not on gaming power alone. The WiiU doesn't have some of the components that made the PS3 cost what it did. There is NO WAY the WiiU should cost more than a 360 or PS3 going by its current information. The only possible big ticket piece would be the controller.
Anarki  +   1197d ago
And the Wii was cheaper new and look where that got it.
why would people invest in this hardware that isn't that much better than the current gen xbox and playstation?
VampiricDragon  +   1197d ago
its called games.
SilentNegotiator  +   1197d ago
Vampiric, you've done nothing but defend the WiiU. But now you're being plain ridiculous. Tell me.....what "games" are the reason to pick up a WiiU, from what we know so far? The Zelda non-gameplay demo was just conceptual. So what we have are a handful of EA/Ubisoft/etc titles that will mostly release THIS year, and next year on the WiiU when it launches. The other titles we know about is a lego GTA game and some cheap looking alien shooter.

And don't tell me the gamers who want to play those games have just been BEGGING for the successor to the WII. They're better off with the much larger set of games on the PS3/360, which will also get all of those EA/Ubisoft titles.
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AWBrawler  +   1197d ago
@silent

Can't we assume by now that Zelda will appear on every Nintendo system? so will Mario, Pokemon, Metroid,Smash Bros., and Animal Crossing.

Those are games, and we know more games are coming, and if I can have Ninja Gaiden and Zelda on the same Console if I wai t a bit longer, Why the hell not???
sporteous121212  +   1197d ago
@VampiricDragon

Why pay the price for Nintendo's new system when you can get better experiences with both the PS3 and XBOX360. These consoles still have at least a couple years left in their lifetime and they continue to get better. The WiiU is still at least another year out.

IMO the new controller for the WiiU will just be another gimmick from Nintendo and they will have to release a more standard dual analog controller before core gamers consider buying a WiiU.
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StanSmith  +   1197d ago
"IMO the new controller for the WiiU will just be another gimmick from Nintendo and they will have to release a more standard dual analog controller before core gamers consider buying a WiiU."

Erm... There already is a standard dual analog controller. The Classic controller.
sporteous121212  +   1197d ago
...I meant a good dual analog controller. I am sure it is alright for playing Mario & Metroid but I would rather use a Dualshock 3 or XBOX360 controller to play my games.
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StanSmith  +   1197d ago
It worked perfectly for goldeneye. It felt just as comfortable as a 360/PS3 pad. Btw when i mentioned the classic controller, i mean the revised version not the first release.
mamotte  +   1197d ago
Finally someone with enoguh common sense to say it. 360 and PS3 werent cheap in their time.

Sadly, common sense is banned in N4G, so you have more desagrees than agrees, so, I'll agree.
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digitalivan  +   1197d ago
So you could justify the price by comparing the power/price situation 5 years ago? Hell, why don't they say it's 1000 times more powerful than SNES was and make the price 1000 times more than SNES at it's launch.
mamotte  +   1197d ago
@digitalivan

So, why are you so damn sure the tech isn't new? Show me the specs, not your imagination.
sayonara89  +   1197d ago
599
Jocosta  +   1197d ago
Then it had better deliver Iwata.
PsycheMax  +   1197d ago
Lol!
That's really nice!

The almost 10 years old hardware of the X360 with a new controller, for LOADS of money!
Nice Idea Iwata! XD

OMG.
feeter  +   1197d ago
With no specs really given how do you know its 10 year old hardware...

Ill wait til they specs are given...

And no im not a Nintendo fan... Im a video game fan!!! Have been for 34 years.
WetN00dle69  +   1197d ago
I highly agree with feeter.
nycrekid  +   1197d ago
people bought up the Wii like it was the last bit of water in the desert and defended it's admittedly last gen tech for years. Now all of a sudden the Wii is all about the specs. Funny how things turn out huh?

This thing could have supercomputer specs and cost $200, but if it has the same mario, super smash bros, donkey kong, zelda, and the same old stuff I played with over 20 years ago, then count me out.
feeter  +   1197d ago
Nintendo looks to have 3rd party support since this will be as powerful(or more) than the 360 or PS3... so im guessing there will be a 3 platform release for most games (maybe a few exclusives)
Convas  +   1197d ago
ROFL. That's a classic line.

Aw well. We knew that this was going to cost. I'm expecting this to range anywhere between $400 and $600, which will mean that I will not be buying one. I've got a 360 and a PS3. I'm just getting around to building a stronger PC.

I think I'm good with hardware till MS and Sony announce their next moves.
SuperLupe  +   1197d ago
Damn I'll have to get a 2nd job!

@below: Lol yeah.
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revengemadmax  +   1197d ago
lol didnt the guy who made/helped the ps3 say that?
MinusTheBear  +   1197d ago
399 I called it.
Kon  +   1197d ago
785;
GiggMan  +   1197d ago
I'll bid 1 dollar...
nikrel  +   1197d ago
Wii U, does not look like it will be enhancing my experience. I'll take my 500+ and invest it into my ps3.
sporteous121212  +   1197d ago
...or a PS4
Optical_Matrix  +   1197d ago
Makes you realize why you can only use one controller at a time with it (Wii U controller). Those things are probably worth about £100+. Plus the 'box' (as Regi put it), looks to have superior tech to next gen consoles, so that'd no doubt be another £220+. Basically, end of the day my estimate for the whole package is gonna be £299.99 - £349.99.

To the casual Wii crowd however, that's a tough sell lol unless the USP of having a tablet controller makes them pay the money. I mean if Apple can sell shit for over £600 yearly with little change, then Nintendo can sell this. Early adopter, like with the Wii, will most likely be the core audience like us. Will be getting this machine day one, you can be sure.
FReeDoM4ALL  +   1197d ago
'Superior tech to next gen consoles'

Are you saying that the Wii U will be higher spec than the PS4 and the next Xbox?

That's a silly claim to make... and if you are speaking about PS3 and Xbox 360 then I hardly think we can refer to them a next gen anymore, lol.
AWBrawler  +   1197d ago
right silly claim because you've been to the future and seen the graphics /s

Graphics Graphics Graphics! so sick of the whores. I hope Wii U blows everybody else away so you all can shut the hell up!
Dlacy13g  +   1197d ago
This is shaping up to be a disaster for Nintendo. that under the hood hardware better blow minds otherwise I doubt many will pony up for an experience they already can get cheaper on a 360 or PS3.
revengemadmax  +   1197d ago
one ipad controller per wii u and it has to be pluuged into the wii u to work? sounds... great.... put me up for 5!
Jocosta  +   1197d ago
Part of me wishes touch screens and motion controllers were never invented. Maybe its showing my age, but give me a regular controller any day.
Allowen  +   1197d ago
Their hardware might not be that powerfull after all since it can only have one wiiu controller at a time.
i bet that nintendo wanted to do what the fans wanted thatto be able to connect multiple tablet controllers to the console.

that explains to me why at the e3 nintendo said a few rtimes that this u controller woukd not be sold separatly. It is not because it alone could cost up to $120.
X-  +   1197d ago
Ha, sounds like the next granny magnet is gonna cost some serious $$$.
Treyb3yond  +   1197d ago
Expensive items are usually quality items. People are just cheap, tight misers.
LilDeja93  +   1197d ago
It was obvious it wasn't going to be cheap.

It is after all Nintendo's Next Gen Console.
Krakn3Dfx  +   1197d ago
If this is over $300 with hardware capable of only barely reaching 360/PS3 graphical standards, this is going to be a hard sell for the N.
Kahvipannu  +   1197d ago
What are the specs?
yoshiro  +   1197d ago
no thank you...
prodg52  +   1197d ago
Nintendo must not understand kids. They are going to be fighting over who gets to use the tablet controller if its true that you can only use one.
1998gamer  +   1197d ago
Thats how Nintendo is planning to revolutionize gameplay...real world style!
ceballos77mx  +   1197d ago
Not to mention how kids tend to break stuff
dubal-e  +   1197d ago
Nintendo's gonna sell the crap outta this thing. Just like they did the underpowered Wii. They'll sell it to millions of hardcores and millions of soccer moms and grandparents. Even with half the wii sells the system would be a sucess.
Thepcz  +   1197d ago
if the hardware is good then of course it wont be cheap. i mean, as long as its worth it, it will be ok.

if its old cheap tech then hell no, i wont be paying
banned_nope  +   1197d ago
if it would cost 399$ and seeing that it is just on par or just a little better than ps3, i would spend that kind of money to buy games for ps3.

sure i cannot be able to play new mario but after 14 years of owning all mario games available, i'm already fed up and have leaned towards games like god of war and uncharted and gears of war.

and the new tomb raider will be mine too.
WooHooAlex  +   1197d ago
Guessing $349

By the time this comes out you'll be able to get a PS3 or 360 Kinect bundle for $199.

I think Nintendo is making a big mistake here.
Alos88  +   1197d ago
Families aren't going to pay top dollar for a console; that was why the Wii sold so well, because it was well advertised and very affordable compared to the competition.
HurstDarkStar  +   1197d ago
the only thing that will keep me from buying this system is if it really only uses one controller and if the online system still involves friend codes if its like that then hell no nintendo!
Lyle91  +   1197d ago
It really seems like Nintendo is ditching the whole friend code thing finally.

Still can't be sure on the controller issue though. Even if they only planned on allowing one to be used (which isn't readily apparent) they still have plenty of time to change it.
NYC_Gamer  +   1197d ago
why should this thing be expensive?its only on par with current HD consoles on the market plus can only use 1 controller
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