Microsoft Dropping The Hardcore? I Disagree

Richard Of UltimateGameGorilla writes: Recently Microsoft has been accused of leaving the original hardcore fanbase that got them where they are today in the cold. I was one of those people, harshly attacking the company for its new childish direction... but not anymore. Within the past few days news has slowly been trickling out that Microsoft is pushing for a number of hardcore titles on the Xbox 360. Some are exclusive while others are multiplatform, but all are for the core fanbase.

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When did being on-rails make a game automatically not hardcore. I can name a plethora of hardcore on-rail games.

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asphogears2376d ago

Interesting list. There are a few titles that I did not know about prior to reading. I am eager for more information about Blood Forge.

captain-obvious2376d ago (Edited 2376d ago )

"Core Exclusives

Kinect Star Wars"

talk about stuffing the list

screaming "light spear on" and then doing this
in front of the screen to kill a enemies that look at you most of the time and moves slower than a turtle

that's not hardcore dude
im sorry but its not

now if it was faster style hack and slash with regular controller and combos
NOW THATS a hardcore game

asphogears2376d ago (Edited 2376d ago )

I do not understand why people don't see the potential for this to be a core game. Fighting sith with a lightsaber and the force could be pretty f-ing cool. I have high hopes for this game because I am a big Star Wars fan.

egidem2376d ago (Edited 2376d ago )


Spending some seconds waving your hands in the air a couple of times just so that you can lift a droid spaceship and push it over RATHER THAN pressing a button does not scream the incentive needed to make this game a core game!

The novelty sounds awesome. It makes it sound like as if you have the force and this is what will sell the game big time. I saw the demo, it looked like a gimmick. It's an on-rails game. That alone should debunk it as hardcore. Moving around, having trouble turning the camera towards the enemy and just swinging a light saber??? Where's the depth? Where's the challenge?? Where are my multiple button combos that I'm supposed to unlock and stuff?? I love long gaming sessions, surely I'm not going to stand say for 4 hours swinging some imaginary light saber in front of the TV??

Star Wars is popular among core gamers. I personally loved KOTOR 1 and 2. Why does Microsoft think that Star Wars + Kinect = Sold to hardcore gamers??

RCargill2376d ago


If you could go back to 2005 and show people Kinect Star Wars would be one of Microsoft's major exclusives in 2011 no one would believe you.

grailly2376d ago

I still believe that star wars could have been a core game. playing with a controller, but using kinect for the force would be fun. swinging your arms just seems wrong.

Rainstorm812376d ago

Watching the demo for Kinect Star Wars made me cringe, it was so laggy and unresponsive and looked more frustrating than fun.

Everyone in the crowd must have noticed it too by the lack of applause at the end of the demo.....i mean come one sesame street's kinect game got more claps than star wars...

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egidem2376d ago

Not dropping the hardcore but shifting their focus more onto the casuals. This sudden focus is also lacking a balance between casuals and hardcore gamers.

From Microsoft's point of view, they will focus more where there is a potential to increase cash, and Nintendo has proven that the casuals will do just about anything. This is also causing Microsoft to close down/reduce the number of 1st party studios and think that multiplats and timed exclusive DLC will satisfy these hardcore needs, and leave them with more cash to spend on casuals and Kinect stuff.

They are a bit wrong with their perception of core gamers. They think that all core gamers are very dedicated guys willing to buy the latest thing from Microsoft, even if it is targeted towards the casual market. This is why they think that "Kinect Starwars" and a bunch of on-rails shooters will do the trick.

Notice also that they've slightly changed their strategy to make Kinect popular among the hardcore gamers: take popular core games and make them Kinect compatible like voice support for Mass Effect 3, head-tracking for Forza 4 or Tom Clancy future soldier. This is ironic because people were laughing at how Sony was just taking the Move and implementing it to their games, rather than making these games only playable with the Move.

One thing is clear: the traditional controller is far more accurate and capable than Kinect. Microsoft knows that hardcore gamers will always be smarter and will always choose the controller over hand gestures of Kinect. Imagine what would happen if Forza 4 was only playable with would be a disaster!

asphogears2376d ago

I understand that using Kinect instead of a controller limits the possibilities of the game but there is still a lot of time in development for improvement. I think that we are going to have to wait until more videos are available to finally decide if it is a core or casual game. This is just my opinion.

egidem2376d ago


There seems to be a problem with Microsoft though. They first of all killed many 1st party studios. Hardcore exclusives are few. They thought that the hardcore could just grab up Kinect, like their casual counterparts, which was wrong.

Take a look carefully, they don't have lots of hardcore exclusives. Even if you add in Kinect, they STILL don't have games. They are going to have trouble attracting the hardcore to Kinect due to the very nature of Kinect: It is fun, but it lacks accuracy and in the use of gaming, its functionality is sort of limited.

iamnsuperman2376d ago (Edited 2376d ago )

Did you watch the kinect star war demonstration. It was an on rail slasher. Not something I would call a hardcore game

asphogears2376d ago

Just because it is on-rails does not mean it is not hardcore. If the controls are polished then Kinect Star Wars could be pretty fun. My only complaint with it is how it is "Prequel Star Wars" and not "Good Star Wars". Slicing droids could be quite fun and using the force will hopefully be cool. Just my opinion.

iamnsuperman2376d ago

I respect that but the only problem there seemed to be no skill just waving your arms. I assume/ god hope there will be more types of attacks but that demo didn't help my faith in the game

asphogears2376d ago

I agree that the video did not show that many types of attack. The game is coming out next year (I think) so there is still a lot of time for improvement.

JsonHenry2376d ago

I gotta agree with the man of steel here. The Star Wars videos I have watched all looked like a casual game to me. It just had light sabers.

Qwert1172376d ago

Maybe after they release some videos of the player fighting some sith then this game will be regarded as a more core game.

fluffydelusions2376d ago

Disney Adventures is pretty hardcore...right?

Dart892376d ago

What you talking about of course it's hardcore so is cod:P.

Qwert1172376d ago (Edited 2376d ago )

That was hilarious! Thanks for sharing the funny video.

Qwert1172376d ago (Edited 2376d ago )

A simple but good list of hardcore games.

Der_Kommandant2376d ago

That list is weaker than a 5 year old girl

LoaMcLoa2376d ago

I really don't know why, but that sounded wrong

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