As evidenced by its E3 showcase, Microsoft is embracing a wider audience. But is it shafting the hardcore? VG247 spoke with Xbox UK boss Stephen McGill about that, Sony, and much more.
"Gears of War is massive. Forza is massive. Halo is massive. These franchises outsell PlayStation’s first-party lineup" I don't think even PS3 fanboys can deny that. The difference between MS's exclusives are that they have MASS appeal similar to how COD has mass appear. Sony has yet to make a must have franchise for the PS3 that can sell in the high multimillions. @moegooner88 Considering GT has been around for 3 generations its not surprising it has a huge following. But what about new franchise from this gen, does Sony have a new IP which has sold even half of what Gears has? moegooner88 my point is simply that MS's first party games sell better on average than Sony's.
"Sony has yet to make a must have franchise for the PS3 that can sell in the high multimillions." You mean Gran Turismo. @ ziro what's ur point both Halo and Forza have been around since the original xbox as well and Uncharted 2 sold around 5 million copies, i am guessing that's more than half of what gears 2 sold( according 2 vgchartz gears 2 sold 6 million)
No, i thought he meant uncharted. If not leaving your core behind means 4 game ips then ok. You cant enjoy that extra revenue but nintendo and sony fans can sure enjoy more games with a higher variety. Core game announcemts vs kinect/casual is stupidly high in the causual ends favor. You have to ask yourself why people are questioning ms unless its blatentely obvious a high number of 360 owners and factions of the gaming media have an issue
"Considering GT has been around for 3 generations its not surprising it has a huge following. But what about new franchise from this gen, does Sony have a new IP which has sold even half of what Gears has? " That doesn't make sense. Halo came out for the original XBOX in case you forgot. Forza also came out on the original XBOX and that doesn't outsell GT series. Gears of War came this generation and I give you that but that's the only one that came out this generation that proves whatever you're making about MS' first party selling more than PS3 first party. And in case you forgot , it's made by a 3rd party...EPIC.
A large part of GeoW popularity is the fact it’s a good franchise, but you can’t underestimate the fact it was also lunched on the only next gen console, being the first with the next gen wow factor and with little competition from other next gen franchises. If the launch dates of the PS3 and Xbox360 were reversed then so to would the sales of Gears and Uncharted.
"These franchises outsell PlayStation’s first-party lineup" Not really if you count every first party game that's been released this gen I don't think so....besides Gears isn't a first party game most people seem to forget that and MS don't even own the IP plus the first was on PC also. I mean both uncharted together is what 9 million easey, both resistances are about 6 million, Lbp 1&2 are 5.5m, inFAMOUS is 1.5m, GT5p and Gt5 is about 12m, Gow3 is 3.8, Warhawk 1m, Killzone 2&3 4m, Socom Confrontation 1m, Demons Souls 1.1m...and since xbox counts Gears even though it's not an MS IP just an exclusive I guess they could count things like MGS4 in with the sales which would be another 5m...so yea ps3 exclusives have just as many sales and more variety. The mest up thing too is I bet all of them put together didn't even have as much spent on advertising as Halo 3 did. More on topic though, I don't think 3 franchises counts as taking care of the core especially since it's not a lot of choice and what if you don't like the 3 (I only like Forza and Gears, Halo is way overrated IMO). Not that they couldn't come out sometime soon and announce a whole bunch of new exclusive core Ip's I just don't see them doing that with all the money they've put behind kinect.
Sony's first party games have outsold Microsoft's first party games this gen by a massive amount. It's not even close. Just a quick look at Sony's first party sales looks like they are in the 35-40 million range while Microsoft's are 16 million range. Sony first party has had roughly double the sales Microsoft has even with the Xbox 360 releasing a year before this current gen started(and 1.5 years in Europe).
. What's the debate??? M$ should of been showing a perfect dark zerp demo with the same level of fidelity as the Tomb Raider demo. Where's Blue Dragon and lost Odyssey??? Viva Pinata is an easy fit for Kinect. Mech-assault??? I mean we have been through this a million times. There are hundreds of IP's that M$ owns and they announce nothing. I have a theory ( New console 2012, windows 8, windows7, Kinect and Skype all included ) about WHY M$ is not saying much but for now, why not put a little pressure on M$ to invest in more IP's. If they can drop 8.5 billion dollars on Skype, a couple hundred million will go a long way in the gaming industry.
I don't know which statement is more stupid and false: "the core love Kinect" or this one?
Microsoft only had a deal with Mistwalker for three games. There isn't going be any more stuff from them for the Xbox 360.
When they say that out sell first party lineup they mean stand alone or alltogher, because if its all togheter...sorry but not really. And they even bring Gears..who isnt exclusive at all with the PC versions wich got pirated to heel and up... And MS is still to beat Sony record of 1st party game sell tru (GT3 A-Spec with 14kk)...and lets not talk about variety and the FACT that those sell well all around the world and not just lots in US and meagger on the rest of the freaking planet.... OT: the focus on the Kinect front is just that IMO...abbandoning the hardcore fools who bough their POS hardware 3-4 times to try and make money before dumping them when the next Xbox come out...just my opinion on the matter, not a fact...yet...
Uh...but where are the new IPs? So the 360 can survive off of Forza, Halo and Gears? That's it? Nothing new? No 1st party RPG's or action games? You see, that's why I chose the PS3. It actually has variety. If Microsoft continue to depend on those three franchises, in the future we'll see how long someone has a console when they see Sony coming up with new IPs from left to right. Just my two cents.
It just depends on each gamer. I don't have any games currently for my PS3. I'm just waiting to beat the next uncharted then I'll trade it in for the PSvita. The 360 has a huge variety of games. Just because you don't like them, doesn't mean they're not there. The PS3 has a lot of games as well but GT5 was ok, Metal gear hasn't appealed to me since nintendo and I would much rather crap on little big planet vs. play it, GOW3 was great. I didn't play the others because it just looks like the same crap over and over. You talking about 3 ips but you're forgetting about the kinect. I thought they showed some pretty good range with the line up they have comming out. I'm looking foward to vita. I personally will play it way more then I even play my PS3.
Here's my two cents.. Just because one console has more exclusives doesn't mean it has more games. True gamers play games no matter what console it's on. Exclusive or not. Sure there are more ps3 exclusives but along with gears, there's dozen of quality games coming out this year for the xbox.
They SELL BETTER because there are LESS franchises to choose from. 50 million people choosing from 4 core franchises vs 50 million picking from about 20 and yeah, you'll skew the market. Obvious point is obvious. I'll take choice over franchise fatigue any day.
+Bubs, you wrote was I just about to.
my problem as a 360 owner is that the same exclusives all the time is getting tiresome, forza, gears of war, halo, fable, all great games, but MS give us something new apart from kinect.
Play some multiplatforms and shut up.
aarix i do play multiplats, geeze that was rude.
They said they'll never leave the core behind and I want to believe them. But right now, at least after E3, I'm not sure. Granted, I believe they'll release new IPs in the future and probably have some in the work that wasn't shown at E3. Time will tell.
gran tursimo series had out sold all of halo and gears and forza series combined thought that would make you happy?
But it been there since ps1 how can anyone compare that? To me thats just stupid....
and halo 3 will at the end of its life will have sold more then all three uncharted's combined imo ps3 best franchise
When did quantity mean more than quality?
Who are you arguing for? Sony? Why does more 1st party games mean more than the quality of MS 1st party games. MS? Why does more sequels/sales mean more than the quality of Sony 1st party games. Both arguments can be made with your point. Be more vague, please.
"Sony has yet to make a must have franchise for the PS3 that can sell in the high multimillions."said a person. Do we real gamers need that multi million seller? I think not. The best games ever made are not the one that sells the most because complex games with depth is not made for the average gamer. Thats my point.
@Zir0 if want you want is to go on sales then that exact attitude is MSs problem. Gears is done after 3, Halo is rehash after rehash and Forza even though I think is better than GT won't hold the same weight as the other two. Sony have LOTS of variety and they are never afraid to take risks. As a gamer I love that attitude. I never liked Halo, couldn't care much for racing games and I will get Gears purely because its the end of the trilogy but I am not really excited about it compared to some of Sonys games. MSs E3 conference was an embarrassment and they are selling out the gamers who made the 360. Ill back Sony all the way from here on in, they have been through the shit and they deserve it.
No one deserves anything... Every IP, every game needs to prove itself to it's consoles core audience... hype itself won't equate to a good game (HAZE effect). I entered the "next gen" with my launch xbox in 05. I waited for PS3 to drop below $400 to pull the trigger, but I got one. I'm happy with both consoles - the PS3 is my exclusive machine that plays blu-ray, and my xbox is the third party machine (sorry, but most of my friends pick multiplayer on XBL) as well as the console of choice for my kids. The sesame street, disneyland and those types of games aren't really geared for US gamers (the type who would go to N4G...) but really, they appeal to parents (for the children) and children. I'm happy that my kids will be getting these types of games, I just wish the core audience could get the same experience.
Zir0. You are pathetic. MS: ‘We’ll never leave the core behind’. So is that why their E3 conference which is the biggest gaming event was a Kinetic road show?. If MS cared about their core gamers they will release more exclsuive targeted to their core gamers. Instead MS is only happy about starving you fools with only 4 exclusive franchise in two year rotation and milk as much money from you fools and you guys love it. Pathetic. To add salt to the wounds they pushed kineitic. More proof you guys consider game sales as exclusive games that is catered to the x360 core gamers. Absolutely pathetic.
people buy those games in large numbers because there is nothing else except multiplats i dont think even xbox fanboys can deny that "does Sony have a new IP which has sold even half of what Gears has?" wow, really? gears 1&2 both topped at around 6 mil uncharted 1 - around 3.5, uncharted 2 - around 4.5 MGS5 - 5.2, LBP - 4.4 there are more too you have what? 4 franchises that sell well, i would give that up for what sony offer in a hart beat, as a gamer you play games not sales
lmao what??? gt5 outsold forza( and its 10 bundles) in month. Uncharted 2 surpassed 4.5 million back in middle of 2010. Now its well over 5/5.5 million. THATS GEARS NUMBERS SON. Mgs4 close to 6 million. Bunch of exclusives with sales of 3/4 million. Yeah no doubt in total ps3 exlusives sell more.
in my opinion they already have.. if it was not for third party games I don't know what I would play on my xbox 90% of the time.
Well thats why they dont bother too much with 1st party exclusives...at the end of the day you have to admit 3rd party has it covered. But that wouldnt be a major problem if MS on their side kept on delivering core exclusives, which clearly doesnt seem to be the case.
The game has sold over 50M since Ps1 you gotta be kidding if you are saying Sony doesnt have that... But Fps and so yes they dont have it... yet.
Because Disneyland is core?
Yo, Mickey is hardcore son. Whatchu talkin' bout'?
Whats wrong with Kindom Hearts? Let guess your definition of core is games that have blood,guns and faul language.
lol oh really?
Halo Kinect Gears of War Kinect Forza Kinect And so on...
this is just bait for an argument.. shame
Gran Turismo 5 FTW ... the amount of hours i've spent on that game, and thank to its continous updates, looks like i'll be spending even more.
disagree-ers be mad.
I think with the addition of The Witcher 2 and some games that for some reason weren't even announced at E3 but we know exist like "Blackwater" and this new AAA title called "Bloodforge" and of course it doesn't get anymore core then Halo. We get two Halo games in two years...not too shabby. I would actually look to seeing more on the games I mentioned at next E3, along with Halo 4 gameplay and probably Gears Exile and Alan Wake 2. Still the second half of 2010 is filled with great "core" titles. Forza 4, Gears 3, Halo EC, Witcher 2. And those are just the exclusives, we also get MW3, BF3, Skyrim, Batman AC, Assassins Creed, Rage ect... Hell of a year.
Are they new IP's? Are they first party? ...No. They're third party. They're not new.
Who cares if its 1st or 3rd party dude ? Gears is 3rd party and outscores 95% of first party games may that be on 360 or PS3.
Uncharted 2 outscores I believe 100% of the first party titles from MS...so I fail to see your point. I believe the only title that was a CONSOLE exclusive that scored the same was Mass Effect 2 but now that's also on Ps3. lol @ the disagrees guess they mean I'm right
@ZombieAssassin Your statement is only half true. Uncharted 2 has a meta score of 96 but the first one only 88. Gears of War has a meta score of 94 with Gears of War 2 scoring 93. Overall Gears of War is a higher rated franchise (both are excellent franchises).
Pollak my statement was 100% true as I said Uncharted 2, and you're grasping at straws...and gears is 3rd party anyways
@ZombieAssassin Looks like I need to refresh pages before commenting because I know before you edited you comment the 2 wasn't present. Oh well you got me this time.
Witcher 2 isnt a first party developer...so you need to add that to the list of MW3,BF3, Skyrim... the devs said that they never ruled out a ps3 port....they just need more money...so you can bet your ass when it sells on the 360 and brings in the money..you will see a ps3 port for it and i wouldnt be surprised if next year ps3 gets a GeoW collection....this isnt a 100% fact...but i can see it happening soon! developers are just now for some reason, figuring out that exclusive games actually hurt them...so they are going multiplat with everything! i wont be surprised when there is only one type of system with all games.....(Steam & OnLive, but disc based not online downloads)
Hmmm demotration Please! Gears Halo Forza Halo Forza Gears 4 secure is esclusive? IP Gears is property Epic... Halo 4 December 2012 (360 or 720?) End November 2011-December 2012? Brand Esclusives famous? Forza: Forza 2+ Forza 3= 7 Milion Ca. GT5: 9 Milion Ca. Realism please!
You just completely pulled those GT and Forza numbers out of your ass.
Are you serious kid ? Lol CrackDown Alan Wake Fable Forza MotorSport Gears of War RySe Splinter Cell Halo Project Gotham Racing RallySport Challenge Conker Jade Empire Perfect Dark Kameo Arcade Games such as Shadow Complex, Limbo or Trials. Need I go on? I mean really? the guy who tell me to go on : ShadowRun Too Human Ilomilo ...
Only games that ring a bell in your list were Gears of War, Alan Wake, Forza, Fable, Crackdown and Halo. Isn't Splinter Cell a multi-platform game except for the last one? ...and yes. Please do go on. Really.
Now this is really getting silly. Both MS and Sony only have like 4 exclusives that ring a bell with most gamers. Halo, Gears, Forza, and Fable for MS. Uncharted, God of War, Gran Turismo, and Killzone for Sony. Everyone on this site can easily name more for each but most people here aren't your average gamer.
Touche The thing is how many of those games have or will be released this gen when most of those studios arent under ms anymore. Some of the last 6 havent seen this gen at all. So i'd take a few off. Everything on his list plus those he's not put have been seen this gen or are coming soon. So he actually can go on Edit Lol....he did go on....good sport and shame....i thought he was dry..lmao
he did dry up,unless.... KINECT !!!!! :p ~~~
Crackdown - a great game in its own right, but its sequel was poorly received by critics, gamers and didn't sell well. A franchise worth mentioning? Hardly. Alan Wake - okay, it has the potential to be a great series. Fable - okay, even though the games have been commonly criticised by gamers by not living up to their expectations and the series seems to be getting steadily worse. Peter Molyneux is quickly losing the trust and respect of fans, especially after the announcement of the joke that was "Fable: A Journey". Forza Motorsport - worth mentioning, a good competitor to Gran Turismo franchise. Gears of War - Microsoft's most consistent exclusive this gen. Great game series. Ryse - an on-rails Kinect action game that was meant to be a new epic AAA exclusive. Until it's proven itself to be in the same league as God of War and other similar action/hack n' slash games, it's not worth mentioning! Splinter Cell - Not a Microsoft franchise... multiplatform you'd find! Halo - I'd say that there are too many of these games coming out. Hasn't there been one each year since 2007? Still, impossible to ignore this franchise. PGR - Where are the games if it's such a relevant franchise? Microsoft could easily make a new game, but they're not. Rallisport Challenge - Hasn't been a game since the original Xbox. Again, MS choosing not to make one. Conker - Microsoft only have one Conker game on the original Xbox, which is still only an enhanced port of Bad Fur Day on N64, so it's hardly a franchise and even so, Microsoft don't seem to be on Rare's ass, telling them to make a new Conker. Face it, Rare is dead - they're making casual Kinect games. Even if they decide to make a new Conker, it will have some lame Kinect functionality. Jade Empire - an Xbox game that hasn't received a current-gen sequel, and something that Microsoft seems not to care about, yet again. So not really even a franchise. Perfect Dark - a great series, but with N64, Game Boy and Xbox 360 releases, it's more of a Rare franchise, who aren't even making core games anymore. They're as good as dead, and everyone knows it. So really like Sunhammer said, Microsoft are relying on 3 existing IPs and even with the supposed franchises and IPs they have, they're not doing anything with them - they'd rather heavily focus on Kinect. Kinect is the risk they'd rather take, than put out new IPs or sequels to their original much-loved Xbox games. Putting out a new Halo, Gears and Forza each year does nothing to affirm their commitment to core gamers, only their commitment to the money they make from those franchises.
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again i have nothing against xbox or MS, i have both systems and play them both...but you cant really count half of these games lol blue dragon...one game fusion frenzy...original xbox zoids....need i say more chromehounds...dead (but a super fun game!) amped 3....still no #4 (do love these games) left for dead...develops closed project dead rising....reason theres only a 1...its multiplat you name a TON of old games that arent even mentioned anymore! sure some are classics...but they really dont count to the cause that people are trying to get at lol
dude i have nothing against xbox i have one and still have live,i just like my ps3 more...but you cant name games that arent even being made anymore, or that arent actually 1st party devs Kameo (the devs left microsoft this year) Perfect Dark (nothing has happened since Zero) Conker (nothing) Project Gotham(fav racer BTW! MS closed bizzare) Splinter Cell is multiplat Gears is 3rd party (prolly come to ps3 some time) dobut there will be a Crackdown 3
Yeah right, who watched there conference? Thats why I sold my 360 awhile ago microsoft forgot about and alienated there true fanbase. They seem to forget theres a lot more people with 360s then kinect, and lets be honest kinect is the fastest selling consumer electronics device. Sure but how many of the crowd that bought kinect, casuals or fanboys are going to buy or even anticipate the garbage showcased on stage at E3? Not many, so microsoft is walking a thin line alienating there fanbase. No I don't care about Halo 4 an I didn't care about it when bungie did it (the creators) then why would I now? Honestly though I feel bad for 360 owners gears and a remake all year an kinect & Halo4 to look forward if this is acceptable to you prepare for more kinect. Gamers need to tell microsoft enough is enough, Fable the journey lmfao fail why microsoft?
I frankly could careless about Kinect. Frankly I can also careless about the amount of exclusives. To be honest I have to many multiplat games to choose from or afford to buy, so frankly I could careless for more exclusives. Then add to that Halo, Gears,Alan Wake and the two games I buy a year for my PS3 and I have more games than I can possibly play a year. Seem that PS3 users or more worried about Xbox Exclusives than Xbox users are.
What about those who have both...just saying. Worst thing is ms have form on dropping support. This isnt the same but its definitely a shift plus you make it seem like exclusives are a chore or an annoyance like they cost more or something. Whats wrong with more games to choose from on top of the multiplatform games. Do you really only think its ps fans who are speaking up
ummm..what !? So you're saying that Xbox360 users don't care about having great exclusives for their console of choice ?? Do you speak for everyone on Xbl btw ? yeah...didn't think so !
@Why o why an annoyance no, cost more no. Just a little pointless when I have so many great games to choose from. No I didn't say that, but on this site it's mainly PS users or PS user who have a XBL account so they can claim they r an xbox user. going on about it. Sure there r Xbox user who feel they want more exclusives, but on N4G it's brought up more by the PS user. And at multiple account @Studio-yaMi no I(as in ME) didn't say that I(as in ME) said I(as in ME) have more multiplat games available to me than I(as in ME) can play. So why do I(as in ME) need to complain about exclusives. I did NOT say all of Xbox Live I have no need to stand up and shout, "I can play this, you cannot." I said it SEEMS(To give the impression of being)
Aside from StarHawk i dont see any and Starhawk will be lucky to get over 70 on MetaCritic... :)