To summarise what we like to think of as Carmack's PC Buyer's Guide, the legendary Doom man said "There's no way to go wrong with nVidia and AMD" in terms of graphics cards before moving on to the wider issue:
I find it interesting that games like left 4 dead, BF2, MineCraft, The witcher 2, Half life 2, & Terraria can sell well on pc. But all the console porting developers seem to not know why they can't sell on pc! I see that some people are moving over to pc after bf3 footage and player count info!
Im more a console gamer than pc, and if you feel its holding you back you could always develop strictly for pc.
....and nobody cares Carmack so get over it.
you cared enough to read the article and post a comment though, so maybe you do care a little.
1. That's not what he said, CVG is full of shit. 2. Everyone cares, because this guy is one smart motherfucker. What he actually said (and this is taken from this article): "It is a little bit of a shame that despite the raw horsepower, we are hampered by the arm's length API interface because it is, unhappily, true that we have the consoles here running at 60 frames per second and we can have these massively more powerful PC systems that struggle sometimes to hold the framerate because of unnecessary overheads." This API he refers to are the ones on nVidia's and AMD's cards - he's complaining that PC videocards don't let you get right into the hardware like you can on console.
No really, nobody cares.
pretty sure, you don't matter
I'd love to see the numbers. From what I have noticed over the years is that PC gaming is a small portion of the pie. A lot of gamers aren't interested in buying new components to run the latest game. When I go out I can buy a game and that's it. Depending on your computer you may have to get a couple of things significantly raising the cost. Imagine buying Crysis 2, upgrading your computer to play it and then being disappointed because it's not all that great. Not really a good investment. With technology changing so quickly it's a better bet to stick with a console.
PC games a small pie? A you joking? PC games sold over a billion dollars last year. Console games that sell just over a million copies is considered a huge success in PC games that would barely cause a blip.
Remember when I said "I'd love to see the numbers" and "from what i noticed..."? That should answer your first two questions. Pick a franchise and make a pie graph. GTA IV. Who had what percentage of sales? 360 gets a slice, PS3 gets a slice and PC gets a slice. Pick popular multiplat titles. Maybe you can start to see where I am coming from? The main focus isn't on the PC anymore and hasn't been for some time. If you want to disagree I am open to looking at links you may provide to refute me. Again I would be interested in seeing numbers like that.
Why? So you are always 2 or 3 generations behind?
While that may be true technology wise it has zero bearing on my gaming. I'm a multiplatorm gamer. I have a 360 and a PS3. What am I missing out on by not utilizing my computer for gaming? The hottest cutting edge graphics? To be honest its subjective. A lot of people don't view the PC as an option for a variety of reasons. While the hardware that makes up my systems might be out of date, there are developers that constantly push what they can do thus developing great games. Owning both I have access to great exclusives.
pc's are gaming afterthoughts..........
Then dont develop for console and only make games for the PC. Its that simple. BTW my platform of choice is the PS3. PS: Didnt John Carmack get eaten by a mutant in the doom movie?
The only thing hampering gaming on PCs, is MS with its monopolizing OS/API ways.
one thing hampering pc is price lol. I mean technically a pc can pretty much do anything any console can do but it costs a good deal more than console gaming. to pc game you not only need a decent wallet but you also need the technical know how to deal with pc gamings many frustrations. stupid comment from that guy as pc horsepower is better than consoles its just to make pc gaming actually better than consoles takes a bigger investment
I agree with you. Consoles is much cheaper and consumers never have to worry that their consoles can't run a certain game that is available for it. That is worth a lot to consumers :)
I am not a technical "know-how" guy. I could buy a system for $1250 which is expensive because it's A) A Brand, B) Put together, C) Includes all software. If I was a technical "know-how" guy, I could get a similar system for $900-1000. I am not however, so I stick with buying pre-assembled systems. I do not need to do anything, besides connect it and start it. I purchase a game, put it in the CD-Drive & click Install when the automatic installer pops up. This means I need no disc. After installing, I can play the game, like on any console. The difference is, my controls are much more advanced and precise, the graphic is about 15 times better and the options to suit my personal needs are available and not locked. Every single bit of information is written on the internet by these "know-how" guys. A simple google search and you can assemble, dissemble, install, uninstall and configure your PC in any way you like. Another neat thing is that you can multitask with your product. Music, videos, games, editing of the three mentioned things along with browsing the internet, forums, helpdesks and VoIP that is seperate from the game client which givs higher quality voice conversations. I do agree the price of PC hardware is incredibly high, but keep in mind that console games are 10% more expensive than PC games, plus - the longetivity of PC games are way better than console games, due to the large modding communities.
I love PC gaming and have been playing on PC since early/mid 90's along side consoles as well but people like Carmack just need to accept that consoles are the go to platform for the majority of individuals out there. Most people don't want to game on PC when consoles are cheaper and require less work to use/maintain. Also, it's a safe bet to assume any friends you have that game will do it on either the 360 or PS3. I'd say I game on PS3 95% of the time.
lol pliz shut the fuck up,why don u stop developing for consoles while ur at it n lets see how that goes.Im tired of this shit of blaming the shortcomings of PC gaming on consoles.I got news for u mister Carmack,most PC gamers dont buy games...and tht right there is why the PC industry is not sustainable.
STEAM(which made a billion dollars in 2010 just by selling PC games) says hi and then shows you the middle finger
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Ooooh.... This has potential for some heated debate. *watches intently*
That's not exactly what he said. If you read the quotes he says that graphics cards are more powerful than consoles, but they are hampered by the APIs that they have to use on PC. He then says that he would like to be able to program directly for PC hardware like they can do on the consoles without having the overhead of the APIs.
Complain, then, with the OS/API makers...whoa...just MS that owns 80%+ the API market...any chance of it leting go of the money they make on that??? really?
i only wanted to say; thanks for your avatar. MDK was and will always be a classic.
Well just make a pc game and shut up.
When I look at games like Uncharted I always think the graphics are awesome. I mean how much more graphical power do we need. If I were Carmack I would pumping that power into AI, physics, etc. I am sick of PC people hammering the consoles when they are over 5 years old, it makes no sense. They aren't gonna get better so stop bitching about it. I like my console because I can play it in bed, in the living room, put it in a bag and bring it with me if I want to play at a friends house, they have controllers and there is loads of different games for them. Consoles are also far more accessible.
I'm currently using my pc while in bed, looking on a rather large screen. This argument is nullified nowadays, due to HDMI cables, wireless technologies, and people finally figuring home entertainment out. Computers are easy to load up and carry if you're serious about LAN gaming, and are, in fact, easy to transport. Controllers? Well. Wired 360 pads, bluetooth adapters, wireless adapter for 360 wireless pads, and, if you know what you're doing, through those bluetooth adapters you can use Wii remotes. So controllers? PC covers that better than any of the consoles. These are old arguments that are rendered invalid today.
if he thinks that then why not develop strictly for pc ? nobody is forcing him to develop for consoles .
Stfu and make another crap Fps Carmack, it's the only genre this one-trick pony has ever done.
Did anyone actually read past the title, or would that take too much time away from posting reactionary comments? He wasn't trashing consoles at all. CVG just smacked a sensationalist title on a very level-headed interview to get hits. I actually watched this interview yesterday, and most of it was about his increasing prioritization of gameplay over high end graphics. The gist of it was that "we could make much better looking games by focusing on high end PCs, but that wouldn't be the best use of our resources." CVG decided that the "we could make much better looking games by focusing on high end PCs" part was all that needed to be mentioned.
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