"My advise to Sony: Spend your money on getting your dual-layered discs working before advertising about theoretical four-layered discs. Stop the hype and let the product speak for itself. We are waiting patiently...but not forever, because there is another guy in town, and he actually delivers on his promises."
MARY you are ludicris my green friend!! This means we will have both great games and plenty of movies to play on our shiny new PS3!!
Why do you think all PS3 news is bad? This is great news for gamers and movie buffs! How can Sony promise 100 titles when they aren't making all the blue ray movies? You make no sense and your arguements are childish quit blaming all your shortcomings on Sony!! You are both sad and pathetic go play you 360 and STFU
I'm sorry but I want 75 games at launch time, not 75 movies. This isn't going to cut it for me, I'm a gamer and this is ridiculous. If I want to watch a movie I will go to the theater or watch in my home theater system. Also what benefits do I get from buying a brand new Blu-Ray DVD movie over current DVD's, there's no extra content in most cases and the quality isn't worth upgrading my movie collection replacing DVD movies I already own. I’m sorry I only want good games and to me it doesn’t sound like Sony is here to make a gaming console but yet sneak a CRAPPY DVD STANDARD, that does little in the way of quality for us the consumer but ROB us of money, by calling it the next best GAME Console. This isn’t what video games are about, the games should come first and other things just a bonus. Us supporting this type of marketing by Sony is ridiculous. This is bad news for the whole game industry, we are being invaded by the movie and music industry. I JUST WANT GOOD GAMES!!!!
How many DVD's there are? I think with that ratio X360 is pure DVD player and games are a small bonus feature that most don't even use. This is by your logic.
Karibu but one problem with what you are saying. The 360 was not marketed as a Movie platform. It just so happens the media needing to hold games is the same as movies so it’s a bonus. Not some forced standard on us. PS3 is forcing us all to have Blu-Ray, Sony say we need it for games but lets be honest if we will need it for games that come out 5yrs later, that’s cool that’s 5yrs later but at current we don’t and 5yrs from now there will be a new console that can adopt the next big media format size. Right now it looks like they are using us to make there pockets fat with a new movie standard we don’t need.
Bluray is second best after HD DVD, please don't be blinded by Sony's Hype. Use your brain and read independent reviews and websites, you'll be very glad you did.
MS say they would launch holidays 2005 and they did
Sony said they would launch spring 2006 and they didn't
MS told us what the architecture and hardware of the 360 would be and didn't change strange massive things
Sony told us what the architecture and hardware of the PS3 would be @ E3 2005 and changed many things
2 x HDMI? all games in 1080p? 3 x Gigabit Ethernet port? Where did the rumble go? Ow whow it suddenly dissapeared E3 2006 Even CGI described as ingame footage
MS says it'll bring revolution to online gaming. And it did. With the original XBOX Live and now with 360 Live having a premium service
Sony said with PS2 to have a great online service. Which actually didn't exist, it was to cry about. Sony says the PS3 will have a 'free' online network again. Say 1+1=2
Sony always overpromisses and is underdelivering. Always. Betamax, Minidisc, UMD. Did any mediaformat of Sony succeed? Nope. They only suc-ceed, like BetaBluRay is about to do. HD-DVD outsells it already and quality of footage is better on HD-DVD
First, they never did say ALL games are in 1080p, they said up to 1080p. Second, everyone was saying 2x HDMI 3x ethernetports is overkill and will never be used. But doh, some people got something to whine about it after all they did like gamers wanted. Besides, Why didn't you mention stantard HDD in PS3 when it wasn't mentioned earlier.
You're just sad fanboy, taking all out of context, twistiong words and playing stupid whenever some one gives and argument.
kiddo you are way worse, you are kaming things up. Sony never said all games will be in 1080p and they never said PS2 is 10x more powerful than Xflop/gamecube. You are such a little funny creature, kiddo get off our nutts or I'll have to hunt you down again ;-) Here we go kiddo:
Xflop:
"There's a revolution that's about to take place in game consoles," - Ahem, what revolution, maybe that they will only support Xflop for only 3-4years? And please take into account that they are the richest company, but they still don't support their fans like Sony...lol...lol...lol
"We don't want to disappoint gamers," - well my friend, an Xbox owner, is pretty dissapointed that they don't support Xflop anymore...lol...lol...lol
"One of the basic premises of the Xbox is to put the power in the hands of the artist," Blackley said, which is why Xbox developers "are achieving a level of visual detail you really get in 'Toy Story.'" - Now that's some funnyass $hit. I really wonder why all these Xbugs were claiming Sony said that. Xbugs do you always twist facts so bad? lol...lol...lol
Xflop360:
HD-DVD included from the start - lol...lol..lol
5 x bigger bandwidth than the PS3 - lol...lol...lol...I think they can only sell this $hit only lil Xbugs, who of course have zero understanding of technology.
"The single PPE in the Cell has half of the cache size of Xenon" - lol...lol...lol...what a funny lie, unlike Cell Xenon's cache is divided by it's 3 cores.
"you'll never see a PS3 title with more than 256MB of textures at any given time, due to the split graphics and system memory banks" - lol...lol...lol...another funny lie, he fails to mention that RSX can acces both 256MB Rams at the same time.
Kiddo it appears that downgrading Xflop1.5 of the promised HD-DVD is way worse than just taking away some ports, don't you think?
So here we go and while we at it, you should also know how your holly god aka MS is screwing your lil Xbugass:
Xbox 360 VGA HD AV Cable - $39.99 ...lol
Xbox 360 Wireless Network Adapter - $99.99 ...lol...lol
Xbox 360 20GB Hard Drive - $99.99 ...lol...lol...lol
Xbox support - stopped !!! ...by the richest company in the world ...lol...lol...lol...ROFLMFAO
And as for your wireless pads, have fun buying batteries or spending $19.99 for a charging kit...lol...lol...lol...we at least can charge our pads with a simple USB cable ;-)
i don't know about him personally but there are a ton of awsome games that just came out for the 360, saints row, dead rising, madden, texas hold'em, too many games not enough time.
Wake me up when you find reviews of the blu ray player that is inside the PS3, any other review is useless to these forums and off the topic. Ghost dragon I have no idea where you get your Info but PS3 will launch with more than 10 games, stop spreading BS!! When you come here to debate which console is best you need to come correct or not at all!!
It seems to me that the only reason you want to block theMart is because you dislike him because you disagree with his opinions, its OK to disagree but don't be so childish about it....so stop crying about him posting on PS3 news, you obviously have read enough of his posts to know what type of comments he makes....so if you don't like it, simply don't read them. I like to read all gamers opinions, whether I agree or not....and sometimes I agree with him and sometimes I don't but he has a right to state his opinions, the same as you, the difference is he's not crying about getting you blocked. Grow up!
Now moving on, I just read an article that stated a little bit different info. as far as Blu-ray movies availability and price goes.....it said that there will be 75 titles available by the end of 2007 and they will be priced at 5000 yen in Japan, which is about $43 USD., which is pretty expensive but I expect them to be lowered even more in the U.S. to around $25 to $30 USD, like the few available now, which is what is needed to compete with HD DVD.....we'll see what happens.
I totally agree. The Mart has a opinion and in most of the words he says he backs up with fact. Most people seem to get upset because of what he says, but if you look around he’s not saying anything different then most of the news. Crying out loud the CEO of the official PS magazine said looking at the system and price and what it has to offer she isn’t buying one. That says a lot… Don’t be childish if you disagree say something constructive to rebuttal what he is saying but acting ignorant and calling him names isn’t a cool way of doing it.
Wherehs vista. not like im buying one soon pepole stop buying stupid windows so be ready for all MS fanboys. Ms is falling falling huge PS3 Bluray LInux are future.
please don't turn this into a a windows v. Linux war. cause all this will do is make you look like someone who has excepted the information taught to you since the release onf WIN98, cause if you want to talk about a company that has overpromised and underdelivered, it is MS and their windows products. I remember the exact date that they said WIN98 would be USB Compatiable (about a year before release, and 2 and a half years before it was)
windows works for those of you who use your computers for home use alone. you are right Linux is not the future. Linux is a large portion of the Backbone that makes it possible for your windows machine to communicate with others. is windows more user friendly? than linux yes, however, with Mac OSX being on a Unix platform, it gives more credit for non-windows OS's. If Vista isn't any better than the beta's, and yes i know, cause we are testing a beta at my place of business, then it will allow for Unix-based OS's to take over a large portion of the market.
lol, your so ignorant to the way the OS's work. The Microsoft monopoly will never fail. They will always be the main OS for the world. It's not like back in the day when computers were still growing and drastically changing.
Ok to a point I can agree with you a bout Microsoft over promising about things with Windows and under delivering. I will tell you this though Linux does not compare to Windows, an OS where it’s a security risk to run a Graphic User Interface is not a great leap forward. Clearly you don’t know much about Operating Systems and shouldn’t speak on it. Microsoft Vista isn’t Microsoft 360, we are talking two different products. If you want to argue Microsoft’s short coming with the 360 vs Sony and the PS3 go for it. Next I doubt your going to rush out and get Vista even if it released on time, so why does it mater if it’s late?
Wow, so much to cover - where do I even start? I'll just have to be careful here as there's certain things that aren't supposed to be revealed until the TGS.
Note: This post is by no means unbiased. I make no warranty that what I have to say will not piss you off – especially if you’re a one-company fanboy whore. I’ll answer questions and I'll share what I know… but I’m not going to argue with the retards lurking in the Games forum shadows… especially when I am way more informed than you are*. Believe that or not (it's a fact), I don’t give a flying [email protected] what some pimple faced punk in the digital jungle thinks. This is a favor for those who appreciate it. Hence, if you do not appreciate inside information, then do us all a favor and [email protected] off.
Now that that’s out of the way…
Lets start with the bad news - the launch lineup is shrinking. Originally, the list was 30 titles (1st and 3rd party). Currently, the list is about 15 titles (can’t get more specific because at this stage it literally changes by the hour). There is an up-side, however. The extra development time is making a world of difference. Some of you saw Heavenly Sword at E3 and it looked pretty good... that is, it looked like your typical 360 game. The team has been hard at work piling on layers and layers of detail and as of right now, it looks like [email protected] Advent Children (you thought Metal Gear looked good? You gotta see this). It's also being given a God of War type violence upgrade, since they found out the graphical realism and brutality of the combat (bloodless though it was) was getting it a Mature anyway. Seriously, it will blow your [email protected] mind (although it’s sad that having really awesome graphics influences the ESRB ratings these days). The current release target is March.
Killzone 2 - This one has been MIA since last years E3. It is still in development and it is, unequivocally, the PS3s big "secret weapon." Announcements are being held back until closer to the PS3 launch as it's going to generate a monumental amount of buzz. It's one of those things that I can't get into too much detail about. However, it looks exactly like the video. Yeah. That video.
LAIR - This won't be out until next summer at the earliest, but this one is also [email protected] incredible. Missions basically involve unscripted AI-driven massive scale battles (we're talking Helms Deep here) and you control a single dragon and rider. The game is essentially playing an RTS with itself and it's up to you to influence the tide of the battles. This is also very dark and mature.
More bad news, these titles are all now Q1 '07 releases or later. Resistance: Fall of Man is being primed as the killer ap launch title. Some of you are sure to go nuts for it as it's like a crossbreed between Half Life 2 & Call of Duty. Personally, I [email protected] hate both those games so I was not terribly impressed with the single player. Now multiplayer is a whole different beast, because the weapons are strange as [email protected] For example, there's this energy-burst weapon that just passes through solid matter. Almost everything in the environments is destructible (vehicles, concrete barriers, etc) as well and has physical properties. Hence, certain materials will offer better protection than others. Multiplayer is the big focus of R:FoM anyway, with half a dozen game types and support for up to 40 players.
Someone asked about sound in the other thread - and while specific technical details were not divulged, the sound in Resistance was discussed at length. Resistance has fully simulated sound waves. The system actually checks distances, atmospheric density, wind, what materials the sound is bouncing off and passing through, etc, and modifies the base sound accordingly. Hence, every sound travels through space in real time and distorts just as it does in the real world. There is also support for 5.1, 6.1, and 7.1 sound setups... so however they are doing it, it borders on overkill.
This brings me to BluRay, a controversial topic on this forum as of late. Remember when I was talking about the 360s disc capacity and how it [email protected] up Oblivion? Some of you will remember, because I got flamed pretty hard for that (OMG it still looks great, the PC version is the same, waa waa, don’t criticize my console). The Xbox totally [email protected] up Oblivion, you can look at the textures and tell where Bethesda cut corners to make it fit on the disc.
As a quick side note, Bethesda is working on a special edition of Oblivion just for PS3. We were shown some screenshots (sadly, not the actual game) and it looks like an entirely different game. Every texture is being replaced with new extremely-high resolution ones. It’s basically what Bethesda wanted to do the first time until they ran into the DVDs capacity limit. BluRay fixes that little bottleneck.
Those DVDs you love so much, they’re the reason PS3 games are going to [email protected] destroy anything available on the 360. 85% of the games currently in development for PS3 will not fit on a single DVD9. To give you an idea of the implications, Resistance: Fall of Man is currently 20GB, and could be around 35GB once cinematics and things are added. Publishers are not being forced to use BDs, but it’s expected that 95% of all PS3 games will use BD discs. The big exception is EA, who uniformly develops for the lowest common denominator. Sony is dedicated to helping companies develop for the superior PS3 then downgrade for the weaker systems. The fruits of this labor will probably not be seen for another year at least.
There was a demo, side by side, of an upcoming sports game (can't tell you which one). One was playing on 360 (DVD9) connected to an HDTV running at 720P. The same game was running on a PS3 (BD50) on an identical HDTV at 720P. The differences were unbelievable, simply because the BD has the space to hold all those extremely high resolution textures. The 360 could probably handle them, but they just plain won't fit on the disc. This is just one example of how storage capacity is hurting the 360. Of the parade of developers that spoke to us, the BDs capacity was the number one item of praise. No more having to cut corners or find creative ways to make your game fit on the disc. DVDs are just plain obsolete when you're talking about High-Definition hyper-detailed 3D environments.
On a similar note, those of you rooting for HD-DVD as the High-Def standard might want to start selling your stuff while it’s worth something. The format war was basically decided before it even reached store shelves. 80% of the major manufacturing plants have already adopted Blu-Ray. There’s also the small matter of Sony owning, directly or indirectly, nearly half of the movie industry. I could go into more detail, but I’m getting a little off-topic. The point is, Blu-Ray is here to stay and it’s not going anywhere. HD-DVD, having considerably less support at retail and among manufacturers and movie studios, is [email protected] Also, when it comes to the end-user, the Blu-Ray capabilities of the PS3 are going to be very very heavily advertised. Not only will the PS3 ensure that Blu-Ray is the most widely owned HD player in the world, but Sony is going to make sure that people know it and use it.
Go ahead and throw your tantrums if you want, it won’t change a thing. It’s just plain out of your hands. If you were rooting for the inferior technology – well, oops.
Concerning BD movie costs, they’ve been available for several months now and the average price is $20-$30. Amazon.com is your friend.
Ok, onto the multiplayer. Sony is going all out here. Actually, the entire philosophy behind the PS3s development is “no holding back.” You may whine about the price, you may whine about the features (and those of you that do that regularly really look like huge tards, btw. You know who you are) but Sony really wanted to deliver a system with every cool feature they could think of. Furthermore, they want to deliver a system that will survive another decade. MS may release a new Xbox every couple years, but Playstation owners know that their system isn’t going to be obsolete any time soon. Anyhoo, the online service is absolutely, positively, 100% free… no tiers, no subscription. It’s like having Xbox Live Gold, but you don’t have to pay for it. Some of the features include: multiple online IDs (not just one gamertag), friends lists, rankings and skill-based auto-matchmaking, full online profiles, EyeToy and EyeToy HD integration (photo profiles, possibly video chat).
There is a full featured web browser and the PS3 will have native Keyboard and Mouse support, although Sony will not be making any 1st party Mice or Keyboards for the system. As for using those peripherals in games, it’s entirely up to the developers but Sony is not disallowing it. Still, they would prefer developers make use of the motion sensitive controller instead.
As a side note, the controller motion capabilities are extremely sensitive and accurate. Playing LAIR and WarHawk with it just seemed way more accurate and natural than analogue sticks alone – plus it frees up the analogues for other functionality. You’ll see what I mean when you get a taste of LAIR. It’s [email protected] incredible.
In terms of 3rd party support, more than 10,000 SDKs have been shipped and more than 350 confirmed titles in active development. Production of the console itself is proceeding right on target. Reports of cell yields and HDMI 1.3 available have absolutely no impact on the production process. The cell has naturally lower yields due to the fact that it’s a new and more powerful technology. The yields were of the Cell were known far in advance of active production. As some of you know, wafers are rated. Only the best make it into the PS3, the others are sorted for other less demanding uses.
The PS3 is shipping with all 8 cores enabled (1PPE + 7 SPEs). Reports of SPEs “dying” are just plain rubbish.
3rd party developers (EA, UbiSoft) have already announced their pricing schemes for next-gen games. PS3 games will generally cost the same as Xbox 360 titles. The $10 hike in price across the board is meant to cover additional production costs resulting from the need to produce higher quality HD-quality assets. Better graphics means higher production costs.
North America will be getting approximately 700,000 of the first 2 million units. For comparison, the 360 shipped 400,000 units in NA followed by a 5-month complete production shutdown. There will be a second major shipment before Christmas, with an equal number of units (which comes to about 1.4m in NA before Christmas). As of right now, the balance between 20GB and 60GB versions has not been decided. Since both SKUs will be produced at the same plants using the same materials, production can be shifted as needed. It’s most likely that the 60GB version will be the most “common”, however.
The 20GB version is indeed capable of 1080p via component. The only holdup is that there is currently no TVs on the market that support 1080p via component. It’s purely an issue of support from TV manufacturers.
For the uninformed, the difference between the two models (other than HDD size) is that the 60GB has the following additional features: 802.11g Wireless Networking, Flash card reader (CF, SD, MSP), HDMI (v1.3).
Ok, so onto some PSP news… The GPS is currently on hold. Bummer, I know. PSP has outsold DS and DS Lite by 1.2m units (Edit: Checking on this. May actually be NA only). The PSOne emulator will be attached to an October firmware update. The online store for PSP and PS3 should launch soon thereafter (around November 11). A new PSP entertainment pack is coming next month. It costs $250 and includes a 1GB MSPD, ATV Offroad Fury: Blazin Trails (game), and Lords of Dogtown (movie). No headphones.
PSP integration with PS3 is still planned. You’ll be able to use your PSP as a remote control for your system. Currently, the plan is that you’ll even be able to see your PS3 screen on your PSP so long as both are connected to the same network (almost like a location-free player). This feature may not be ready for launch, but if it misses, it will be added in an update soon after.
More than 200 new PSP titles will ship between now and Christmas!
You know about the disaster that was UMD movies? Well there’s a reason for that. Usually Sony works with companies who license their products and lay down certain ground rules (pricing, features, etc). With UMD, they had a hands-off approach and movie studios just started releasing every piece of sh1t movie in their vault, without special features, at highly inflated prices. Sony is not happy about this at all and is going to try to jump start the UMD movie scene again (could take up to a year) by requiring that releases meet certain guidelines. Guidelines may include an MSRP limit of $15 and that UMDs include all the special features of their DVD equivalents. It’s possible that it may be too late to save, but Sony has a lot of muscle and the PSPs multimedia features are its biggest selling points… especially considering the target consumer is a male between the ages of 21 and 40.
*Quote of the week: “We’re not arrogant. We’re just better than everybody else.”
Given that you "Got it from gamespot!!!!", could you please post the link to the article that you quoted from? I'm not calling you a liar or saying you are quoting from the forums, but I'm calling you a liar or saying you are quoting from the forums.
Not sure what gave you away, but Gamespot (much like most professional services) tends to stray from using language like "[email protected]" in their articles. Not to mention that it seems just a _tad_ unbelievable that every single piece of bad news we've ever heard about the PS3 is suddenly false and everything we could ever dream is suddenly a reality in the few short months between TGS and E3.
The whole statement of Bethesda saying well we wanted to do super high res trextures but couldn't fit them on the DVD is a load of crap because the game was developed for a PC and ported to the 360 and they can put 2 DVDs in the PC version with super rhighres textures BUT DIDN'T. They might be doing it as an extra for the PS3, but that whole section leads me to believe this post why not without its merits and some good points (especially about the fact LAIR looks like a good game) it is not written like a professional piece is written for a website and it smacks of fanboyism on a small scale. Thus I must agree you post a link or be considered "BS". I am glad PS3 is getting Oblivion it is a great game. Bethesda could have done the super hires textures for the PC. COmpanies are not in the business of making super duper hires textures and then only including good textures. It isn't cost effective to do 200% and then use only half of it.
Stop your whinning..We all know BR sucks as a format compared to HD-DVD. We all know the PS3 is trying to push the BR movie player more aggresively than the actualy gaming system. There is alot at Stake for BR.
Why gamers get excited over an underachieved player when it really should be about the games.
I don't remember getting this excited for PS's DVD capabilities when it came out. At least DVD was the standard at the time. I remember I wanted to play FFVII on that system; not be the first to watch a dvd movie.
So does that mean everyone here is going to get rid of thier huge DVD collection and start buying BR ones? What a waste of money IMO.
Does that mean you go out and buy a 1080p tv? Dude thats like 10 years when them tvs become standard.
If this BR format fails does tha tmean you revert back to standard DVD movies(or HD-DVD)?
Hry if you are getting a PS3 becasue of its past games on its old consoles than thats legit. There are plenty of sequals I would like to play myself. They are jus tnot worth everything sony is adding for me to pay. Well at leas tnot right now.
People talk about the xbox 360 and its games when they forget Ms is on its second generation console, so with more developers then there will be more games. Just be patient. No one is successful overnight. it takes alot of work inthe backround to make deals with devs to get Sh!t done. You just can't say MS is not trying. PS is still king IMO but will be weakened with the 360, as far as marketshare. If sony bleeds more than they say it might then MS should go for the kill. But what would happen to my beloved Sequals? Would DEV jump ship?
Who knows.
Hey I'll play either or when I feel they are worth it.
The more good news that comes out about the PS3, the more 360 users realise they have made the wrong purchase. Desperate comments from the Mart prove that.
Why are People exited to get a bunch of movies for agame system this is a Gamesite not a moviesite. P.S. Kingboy and HaHa vote lame on most articles related to 360 just bc he has no room to talk about anybody elses opinions
Ofcourse. Like they just stated 100 titles already would be available but only 24 were actually?
Sony always overpromisses and underdelivers. Please stop the press releases Sony. Just deliver and then we report what it's like...
MARY you are ludicris my green friend!! This means we will have both great games and plenty of movies to play on our shiny new PS3!!
Why do you think all PS3 news is bad? This is great news for gamers and movie buffs! How can Sony promise 100 titles when they aren't making all the blue ray movies? You make no sense and your arguements are childish quit blaming all your shortcomings on Sony!! You are both sad and pathetic go play you 360 and STFU
75 movies and 10? games.................Looks like the ps3 is a movie player first and game console second.
Only one's overpromissinges and underdelivering are M$ with the X360 and Toshiba with the HD-DVD.PS3/Bluray are the future.
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