In a wide-ranging interview with Kotaku regarding the new Wii U console, one of Nintendo's chief game designers, Katsuya Eguchi, confirmed that the system's proprietary disc format will hold 25 Gigabytes of data.
thats VERY! good for a wii
haha nintendo always trying to do their own thing, truth is that it has never worked and it means that it wont be able to play blu ray movies, what a let down :/
why you think nintendo a game company needs a blu-ray player
Seems to have worked very well for wii...only console have multiple 20 million selling exclusives this gen...worked out very well
It's a safe assumption the Wii U will have netflix streaming in 1080p HD, so I fail to see why I would also need a blu-ray player. And Nintendo's strategy has never worked? Haha, look at how many Wii's, DS's have sold -- how much money they've made in comparison to MS and Sony. I'm happy to see that hardcore games will finally be on a nintendo console, the Wii has been starving for some, have had to stick to my PC for all my fav hardcore games.
Same thing with Wii, it has the DVD drive but couldn't play DVD movies.
I own a blueray player and a ps3 and i have yet to buy a blueray dvd
@AEtherbane Quality wise. Blu ray>>>>>streami ng.
seems they chose a different route. nothing wrong with proprietary so long as it is enough space. basically they revived hddvd for their own use. ms, you still have a chance at redemption with the next system. hddvd or hvd or .... blu is for movies and ps3 game. for games only you can use whatever works.
"It's a safe assumption the Wii U will have netflix streaming in 1080p HD, so I fail to see why I would also need a blu-ray player. " Well, if you like 9MBPS 1080p vs. 20-30 MBPS 1080p, then yeah. And we're not even beginning to touch on 3D either...
This is great for the new Wii, but lets be real blu-ray is the HD stadard for a reason; it's the best. If your not really into movies or don't care about HD that much then I can see why you would care either way, but for people that are this kind of sucks.
These comments don't really answer everything though. Is 25GB the limit? Even Sony has gone to dual-layer BDs for some of their larger titles. Is 25GB also the standard capacity for a single layer disc, or does Nintendo's proprietary format max out at a lower capacity with only a single layer (i.e. 12.5GB for SL, 25GB for DL etc...)?
Bruddah, 25 is enough, 50 is not needed, it's a bonus but it is NOT needed at all. Compression techniques ensure that. It also depends on how many AMV's are on the disk. 50GB is so you can get a marginal increase in quality, nothing more. Uncompressed is better, but the Compression today has minimal loss of quality.
You're right, it's not needed. It's not needed if you don't want a nice little selling point when Blu-Ray adoption is skyrocketing. It's not needed if you don't intend to future proof your system with the added focus of 3D assets. It's not needed if you don't want to support 7.1 and above surround sound. It's not needed if you don't want a 1080p adventure that lasts longer than five hours (entirely dependent on assets, but I'm sure this will be the general rule of thumb). Do you get the point yet? The system isn't future proof. There's a reason everyone's concerned about the system's success. Let's put things into perspective. God of War III took up 35 GB. It'd be impossible to run without multiple discs. They already compressed the audio, as did Naughty Dog with Uncharted 2. The assets had a max resolution of 720p, and there was only a little over an hour of cutscenes (that used in-game assets mind you, and were prerecorded to make use of background loading: cache). That's a big deal for gamers expecting a little more than current gen performance. Now, here's the kicker. You could finish both games in under ten hours. How long are Zelda and Mario games again? I can almost guarantee WiiU games will run generally in 720p, unless they want to make use of multiple discs. Just for your information, Heavy Rain came in at anywhere between 25-30 GB, and Killzone 3 over 40 GB. So are we really still going to have this conversation? Everything about not needing Blu-Ray is completely ridiculous. Microsoft has already suffered and missed out on golden opportunities because of their costly mistake. Nintendo better have a dual layer disc ready or we might be running into some trouble. By the way, Bruddah, I think the acronym you were looking for was FMV (full motion video), not AMV (usually refers to anime music videos, or animated music videos), which by the way can be debunked because most games over 25 GB use in-game assets already present on disc. It's not some gigantic pre-rendered movie or something. Prerecorded, yes. Pre-rendered? No.
No offense but i don't want to hath to deal with mandatory installs on a "wii"
Well let's take a look at 360 and its 8 or 9 GB and see how far it got... I think this is good enough. Most PS3 games don't use more than 25 anyways.
Yeah cus we like paying for DLC because it didn't fit on the disc
hell a lot of PS3 games are under 10GB, the only games that need more are the ones with hours of FMV or lots of voice acting in multiple languages or in MGS4's case not compressing any of the audio assets. Most PS3 games have a lot of data duplication to cut down on load times as well. Also as this disc format is probably just a slightly modified blu-ray so as to avoid paying royalties to the Blu-ray association headed by Sony just like the Wii disc was a modified DVD. A firmware update that adds duel layer support in the future isn't out of the question.
And not compressing the audio means that it doesn't have to be decompressed, saving run cycles that can be used elsewhere.
Duel or single layer ? interesting it dose sound like its more of blu ray version of there own so possibly this only single layer. 8gb flash is really poor though.
There was several variations of large capacity discs out there mid HD-DVD/BR war including DVD upgrades. Nintendo just had to pick. Just means that it wont play regular movie DVDs.
IF it can play wii games I'm sure be able to play dvd's Now what is MS going to do ? Two console with double or even quad there storage. Devs can't just ignore this now. 360's future is looking bleak after e3 now this. DeFFeR Yes it can never heard soft mod works perfectly fine ?
@Thecraft ... the Wii can't play DVD's... so your point is moot.
it can, you just need to enable it...
"Just means that it wont play regular movie DVDs." They never said it cant do that! Bluray players can and the same goes for HD-DVD. Even a moded wii can play DVD movies so keep the lies for another day
So in order to play a DVD movies, you have to mod your Wii. That's lame. Nintendo should have enabled that feature from the start.
You guys are not being serious? you don't have to mod your console to play DVDs, don't you? don't rage on me, I'm just asking here...
When did they confirm 8gb flash memory? EDIT: Oh, nevermind. I read the article and now I see xD
Not when I can go out and buy a 2 TB external HDD and use that for storage. Had Nintendo not of allowed for you to use your own storage methods, I would agree that 8GB isn't much room Especially for things like map packs for FPS games. But if I can use my own storage methods(which they confirmed that you can)then 8GB of flash is just fine.
The core 360 only has 4 so having double that is not bad at all. Plus you can expand with an external Hard Drive so you whats wrong with that?
Yeah... A lot of people are overlooking the fact that the system supports USB Hard Drives... and with 4 USB ports I am happy...
well atleast its not 4gb of flash like 360 arcade
Great news. That's plenty of room.
Que Microsoft - "DVD is sufficient"
lol cheap but made me giiggle.
Would not be cheaper if Nintendo used a blu-ray disc drive instead ?
not sure but regardless when does nintendo ever follow the "norm?" they always take their own approach but blu ray or not 25 gigs is plenty of space so thats great news. overall though im sure they want to try and combat piracy in some small way. im unsure if it will help all that much but at least they are doing something in a sense.
for taking their own approach is that they lost the lead with the N64 and then they almost went bankruptcy with the GC and had to come up with a new approach to separate itself from the top dogs. The Wii success was pure luck and it's even more obvious if you been reading the Iwata ask series... But now the Nintendo brand has been restored and they can come up with any fad and it'll succeed just like with Apple products. It became a trend within pop culture.
@Peaceful: I don't know why your getting disagrees but I bubbled you up for telling the truth. Nintendo was in a really bad spot there for a long time, and the Wii really saved their asses. It's success was really good for them as a company not so great for me as a gamer. hopefully this new system will change that cuz it's looking pretty good.
Don't know if cheaper, as you know, the royalty fee could be exorbitant in some way.
@Allowen sony and few others own blu-ray so no sorry buddy. unless they ask they get permission but it cost them a small bomb.
I guess it's a blu-ray or knowing Nintendo, It's going to be a cartridge or something.
They are most likely using the rumored holographic discs. Also, in the gametrailers interview Reggie said the higher storage capacity of the discs were needed for hd graphics...lol
really what will microsoft do? I mean Sony has blu ray and nintendo creates their own media. I guess they can try to get a bunch more layers to DVD's ?
MS already added a whole extra GB to their disc...what more do you want :-p
With the new xbox they CANT stay with their current format. Its to small, there are some games now which are put on multiple discs. The amount of Memory for games is going to go up with the next gen and ms is already behind with the current format. They need something better.
ms MAY use hd-dvd which is currently 18gb per layer(last I heard and that was in 2007) 51 tb triple layer hd dvds exist today so they may develop it further to hold even more space and use it instead of blu-ray since the tech is basically not used by anyone it will be DIRT cheap so they should be able to put a 24x drive in the next xbox.
Holographic disc? no freaking way, that tech is far away from become mainstream in years... this is more like a B-R workaround to no use the Blu-Ray standard, they did something similar with the GC when they asked Panasonic to make a "new" format for that console...
Technology is advancing DAILY. In 1995 could you ever imagine the kind of phones and computers we have now.
holo disc can storage terabites of data i dont think its that...
@mini101 - Nothing but vapourware, Blu-ray the king of storage.
So they made their own type of disc media that can hold the amount a single layer of blue ray can. Impressive i wonder if its a new type of disc or like alot of layers of their old disc media (i think they create their own discs)
Cool, and on top of that, if i've offended anyone with personal thoughts towards NIN, I guess i'm cautiously optimisic and vocal about it cause I care, and really want to see more.
Ohhh damn! Thats great news!
Well it has the 360 beat already.
Why wouldn't it? WiiU is next generation hardware while the Xbox 360, PlayStation 3, and Nintendo Wii are current gen (soon to be last gen now that the race has begun).
but compared to the ps3, it just isnt on the same level.. sure new gen hardware, but in terms of specs... not really.
The Wii is not current gen lol neither are the HD consoles their tech from 2005. The WiiU won't be current either it has the specs of a midrange 2008 PC...
and you know this how. I remember early PS3 tech demos and the Wii U looks better. We have no specs so u can't assume that, but I believe Wii U is powerful. Reggie said the Bird vid was from an early build. how early I wonder
You guys obviously don't know what "gen" means. The term "generation" is used to define a console era, in this case the "console gen" includes the Xbox 360, PlayStation 3, and Nintendo Wii. System specifications have nothing to do with it...
The Question is what type of optical drive/ laser is it using? a red laser? Blue? Just like the Wii couldnt play DVDs even though is was a DVD drive, and the functionality return once it was modded
I see a lot more big name games coming out for the Wii U. It'll be interesting to compare video from all 3 consoles to see how developers maximize the potential of each system.
LOL. Just when you though Gaming could get any "Nit-pickier" ...
I guess you have a point. Eurogamer will have their Face-offs with 3 systems and people will rage.
Lens of Truth will be far more interesting for now on lol
Nintendo has always stood away from the main stream media format and in IMO is very smart.
Nintendo has always stood away from the main stream media format and in IMO its very smart.
the smartest thing is the 5 years old Sony's Blu-Ray.
So about as much as an HD DVD. Couldn't they just adopt blu-ray? It would probably be cheaper then to produce your own format.
no royalties need to be paid