Multiple sources confirm that the Redmond giant is looking to buy a 30% aprox of Nvidia.
WTF? what is microsoft doing, monopolizing?
Yea that's their mission I think.
with a 30% stake in nvidia they could save allot of time and $$$ by partnering up with them
I've read the whole thread and have come to the conclusion that Sony fanboys dont have any business sense whatsoever.
Microsoft wants ARM CPU control. Risky, but they have the financial backbone. Its really wise for them to invest this heavily into NVIDIA. They are pretty much ensuring NVIDIA that they will not fail.
Please read the article. First, it is not a take over. Quote: "Under the agreement, if an individual or corporation makes an offer to purchase shares equal to or greater than 30% of the outstanding shares of our common stock, Microsoft may have first and last rights of refusal to purchase the stock," Microsoft can block anyone to take over NVidia. No money is involved at this time. And it's a deal of 30+% or $3.4B (which MS would have to come up with if NVidia gets an offer in that range). Second, this is a deal when MS put an NVidia chip into the first XBox and is quite old. Quote: "Microsoft and Nvidia negotiated their acquisition deal as part of a broader arrangement under which Microsoft licensed Nvidia graphics chips for use in the Xbox entertainment and gaming console. The obscure pact is more than a decade old, but is apparently still in effect—even though Nvidia lost the contract to provide GPUs for the Xbox to ATI Technologies in 2003." It surfaced in an earnings report. Maybe MS just got lucky with the popularity of ARM and Tegra, but this deal was not anticipated for this purpose in the first place. And no deal has been made so far. Nice spin, though.
They will probably buy Mcdonaldsnext.
Then all of our burgers will look suspiciously similar to apples.
30% gives them significant control over what Nvidia does...its not monopolizing per se...since they wont own majority stake...but they could be a problem for lets say sony/nintendo if they wanted to partner with nvidia....time will tell though edit: that still depends...if they feel that the deal would be risky, MS would have some influence over what happens and if it is ever approved...plus it would be kind of awkward since MS would know what sony/nintendo are up to if they do deal with nvidia
i doubt they would stop other companies from using nvidia tech because that would only bring in more profit....this is pure business not some silly console war but about $$$
Do people actually think Microsoft go out of their way to ruin things for Sony/Nintendo/Apple? They're doing this and other things for one thing. Money.
Not really. If Microsoft digs into NVIDIA. Its not like Sony and Nintendo are tied to NVIDIA to their grave. I don't know what Nintendo device has NVIDIA product in it. Its not in the console war though so either way its not likely to raise a flag. I can guarantee you this deal is 100% related to development of ARM Desktop Range CPUs As Microsoft is releasing Windows with an ARM version. Sony has the PS3 with RSX, but that contract is already inked. Even if Microsoft owned NVIDIA fully they are required to finish out the terms of the contract.
Funnily,i think AMD will benefit mostly from the deal as enemy's enemy is my friend.Then Apple,Sony,Nintendo,Google all will prefer AMD as MS is their competitor in different market. MS is trying to be jack of all fruits,i am afraid they may become master of none.Their only monopoly now is on Windows but i think google gonna change that before 2015.
Considering MS partnered with AMD for 360's GPU, this is quite a curious move. Especially when Nvidia has had their asses handed to them by AMD with just about every GPU release for a good while now. Even 360's GPU is more powerful in many ways than PS3's (without cell helping with rendering). What does it mean? AMD for PS4? Or a custom in house GPU/Cell hybrid? Nvidia for Nextbox? I remember with the first Xbox Nvidia had the price of the GPU fixed which killed MS when it came to hardware costs. This would allow them to get a hell of a discount on GPUs vs. what they have paid up until now. An interesting move. A bit of a head scratcher, but interesting none the less.
wheres the 360 cant handle heavy rain let alone infamous2 and both uncharted games god of war 3 sorry buddy but 360 has maxed out already and remeber ff13 was downgraded to accompany the 360
@stonecold3 did you play crysis 2 or gears 3 beta ? 360 is not maxed out edit: all the stealth disagrees lol i love n4g
I figured my point about ps3's gpu being weaker than 360's would get sand in the fanboys' panties. Look people, it is. The only thing RSX can do better than Xenos is reading texture data, as well as certain shader effects. In most other areas it's beaten. Xenos can move many more polygons per second than RSX can (but cell helps there, it can render geometry while handing that off to RSX for texturing/shading), for instance. As I said, WITHOUT CELL it is weaker. Add Cell to the equation and that all changes (which is why you see GOW3, Uncharted 3, etc. on PS3 but no equivalent on 360... That, and the fact that 360 only has 10MB of frame buffer memory while RSX has up to 256MB's). But take the 2 GPU's away from the rest of their systems, and Xenos IS the more powerful part. Not by much, but it is none the less. But one part doesn't = a complete system. Remember the original PS3 design was to use 2 Cells for CPU/GPU, so Cell does just fine at making up for RSX's weaknesses. So you fanboys can remove the sand from your vag. I'm not implying PS3 is weaker in any way, it isn't at all when you factor in the complete system. But ignorant fools who didn't even bother to read this far into the message will disagree anyway.
@stonecold3 Did you know that the PS3 has this thingy in it called the cell? Well that piece is what gives the PS3 the ability to beat the 360's GPU even though the RSX int he PS3 is worse than the 360's GPU. Overall the PS3 is more powerfull than the 360 but GPU vs GPU the 360 wins.
@stonecold and yet the PS3 like the Xbox360 still cannot run more than 1% of its entire game library at [email protected]+fps using real AA with interactive backgrounds and real lighting effects.
Sigh...there goes probably another good opportunity for them to come up with good 1st party game studios for their Xbox platform. Are these guys on a spending spree or something?? Didn't they just recently buy Skype...for how many billions again?
They are willing to buy anything but studios :P so much money yet they seemingly don't care much about games.
Monopolizing ? Probably. Other companies do the same thing. The stronger buy the weaker. It's the law of the jungle. Even Sony does it, buying out every software studio they can. How many software game studios they have already? ... and yes, i think Microsoft needs more gaming studios, in spite of doing pretty well without many 1st party studios.
First Skype, now this, it´s incredible the amount of money that Microsoft can spend monopolizig. They are unstoppable.
i wouldn't say unstoppable
its because they've been monopolizing through Windows for years. This is just another monopolizing spurt.
If they'd invest some of that money buying talented game studios like Sony did, they'd end up with a game making powerhouse like SCEWWS which would crank out AAA exclusives like Uncharted, Last Guardian, Infamous, GT, etc... Instead they just squeeze out sequels from the same handful of developers. Halo 4 and it's spin off Halo APOS, Fable 4 (this time with a parrot that actually talks to you!), etc... They need to learn to take risks with new studios and game franchises. If they did that, you wouldn't see the "where are the games/why only 2 good AAA exclusives?" articles all the time.
That's a good point, but their hardware sales are doing very well. According to recent reports, the Xbox 360's growth has been increasing month on month, tripling the PlayStation 3 sales. ( http://n4g.com/news/777187/... Remember, Microsoft is all about making money, whatever brings in the cash, they will go after it. Their strategy of getting DLC exclusive deals and leaving 3rd party games to take care of the rest seems to be working for them, even though some gamers might disagree. They are going to keep on doing this.
@egidem the ps3 has sold more consoles than x360 for the past 2 and a half years, microsoft has been up like 5% year over year every month, but sony has still been wrecking them, like 30-60k more sales each week
PS3's sales have been on top worldwide for a very long time now. The only place 360 ever beats PS3 is the USA, but when you factor in worldwide sales that all changes every time. PS3 has been the top selling console WW for a long time.
Microsoft is floundering, I think. They know they need to do something, because I think from their point of view, they're standing still while others are getting ahead. Stagnating is the word, and MS is just that. I can see this doing good things for them, if they use it right. If this is true, they have to put this to work for their existing products: Windows and Xbox. Can you imagine Windows 8 or 9 optimized for and running faster on an nvidia card?
Smart move by MS, they know Nvidia is making moves in the industry. I always admired Nvidia's innovation, much like Intel's.
The harder the fall.
Bad investment to be bought by Microsoft nowadays. Google and Apple on the other hand...
"Bad investment to be bought by Microsoft nowadays" How is investing into ONE OF THE LEADING Arm Design chipset's with a Kick @ss GPU on die a bad investment? Microsoft is already gearing up the Tegra 2 support for Windows 8, this is full windows Api OS for a chipset that if mainly only been in Smartphones an Tablets. By doing this Microsoft would have a platform like Windows Mobile with Nokia to enable to have a platform that is once again unified for Not just PC's like thay already have but the convergence of Mobile chipsets into the PC market. Arm Holding's said they were moving into the desktop market an sure enough they are. Nvidia is one of such companies that make Arm design chipsets , that if you have not noticed by now are being put into small low power required 3 watt systems that are going to be desktop PC for the Masses. Microsoft is making sure their going to get a cut of that Pie in a major way, because both Google an Apple also use Arm Core chipsets in their OS's, Apple with iOS an Google with Android. Microsoft is not going to ignore this thay cannot sit back an let both Apple an Google move into that space without some comp. Since all mobile computing devices in the world 95% run on Arm core chips. Its a market that Microsoft cannot an will not ignore.
M$ instead of using money for buying crap like this use it to buy some 1st party studios for you're gamers.
crap?this move would be smart business wise a lot of products use nvidia tech
Exactly, not to mention MS purchasing part of Nvidia doesn't mean MS Game Studio's is purchasing it. Large corporations like MS and Sony, with wide portfolio's of services and products have different departments. There is nothing to say that this money is coming out of MS's game department. The reason for less 1st party studio's comes down to purchasing so much timed DLC and other timed aspects. Not to mention it takes TIME to build up a decent 1st party studio group. Sony only purchased one to two studios this year, if I'm not mistaken. If MS did the same then theoretically they are on track. Just like PSN catching up with Live over the past years, because Live was an older system.
HOW CAN U SAY THAT? ITS NVIDIA. PC GAMING WOOOOOOOT
Please no :(
Is that enough stake to keep Sony from partnering with Nvidia on their next console?
but hopefully this will not happen.
This news is 2 days old and confirmed to be a bogus, by a Nvidia employee at Neogaf here is the Quote: http://www.neogaf.com/forum...
I think Google is a larger threat than MS.
new console incoming!!!!!! FREAKING SWEET!!!! man it is so overdue, ms should have released a new box in 2010 720p is pure dookie
whats this for sony I thought there next GPU for there next console wass rumored to be made nvidia by?
This could be for the next console which is weird considering the relationship they had with Nvidia on the 1st Xbox.
A lot of you seem to forget that Microsoft is about much more than gaming. While this, if true, could be about their gaming division, I personally doubt it. With the acquisition of Skype, and the recent unveiling of Windows 8, and its focus on touch devices/tablets, I bet this would be more a move on the Tegra platform. Microsoft is serious about breaking into the emerging tablet market, and this, again, IF true, is certainly a smart move in that regard.
whats gonna be ps4 gpu now? I really like nvidia more than ati.
Well since Microsoft has so much spending money....I got a lot of stuff laying around my house they could buy for a $100 million. Hope this rumor isn't true cause if it is I'm gonna rip my 560ti SLi right up out my PC and go back to AMD/ATi. I can only deal with M$ as an Operating System provider. I'm even trying to find an alternative to Skype since they bought that. I really do not like Micro$oft as they tend to suck all the fun out of things.
Why do fanboys seem like Microsoft is out to destroy Sony and Nintendo? It's quite the opposite, but they put on a good show when it comes to the consoles because they have to - it's competition. But when it comes to behind the scenes they're all buisness partners. Look at the Sony Vaio for instance, it runs Windows 7. I could seriously see the next Xbox use Blu-ray or some variation of it. edit: also Nvidia has the obligation to deny the offer so who knows
Well if Nvidia gets Microsofted, remember... AMD is still here.
So that means PS4 wont be using Nvidia!
They are not looking to buy Nvidia they are setting up a deal where if anyone else tries to buy 30% or more of the stock MS has the right to match or better the offer.
xbox 720 powered by nvidia hell no. ati gives better performance per watt and don't screw people over
SOny already stated that there wont be a next cell in the PS4. They dont invest with IBM for a new CELL, so stop dreaming. First skype (no cross game chat for Sony anymore)... now nvidia.
@ManiacMansion - Sony hasn't said there won't be a next Cell in PS4. They said they won't be spending as much on R & D as they did on the original Cell, which suggests using Cell/Bluray again with tweaks would be a cheaper option.
I doubt we'll see an Xbox run Blu-ray...that would be just embarrassing...
why will it be embarrassing?
Because, that was not Microsoft's format. They believed theirs to be the 'format of the future'. Its a Sony patented technology, and it makes little sense Microsoft would put their tale between their legs, and utilize their competitor's tech. Despite fantard propaganda, Blu-Ray simply isn't revolutionary to video games. It was much more so for movies. A ten second disc swap IS NOT trumped by a 10-minute install. People exaggerate the inconvenience of 'multiple discs', and by people I mean childish Sony fantards (I hate them all, PS3/360 alike). If Blu-Ray were the 'way of the future' concerning video-games--we'd see vast support in the PC community. But no. What do we see? Pc Blu-Ray drives foooorrrrrr...--movies. Much like the PS3's 'cell cpu', Blu-Ray is over glorified. It is a magnificent technology in the movie industry (despite the fact it's slower than DVD), but not so much in terms of video games. Just my opinion, but really--the industry reflects it.
just like how Viao runs Windows right ;)...
hehe good one
"Nvidia's ARM-based Tegra chip is widely used by a number of major mobile device manufacturers. It's employed in Google Android-based tablets and smartphones from Samsung, Motorola, and others." Interesting... If true expect future tegra chips exclusive to Nokia windows 7 phones
man..great point. CES showed this year that ARM tech really has come a long way and has more applications than just phone too.
wow...very interesting move. Given their past use of ATI I would have thought they would go that direction...but Nvidia definitely would show how serious MS is in continuing on the hardware path. So Nvidia in the next Xbox for sure...and what about a possible touch MS brand pc tablets as well (aka Apple Ipad?)
With competition from google, microsoft is trying to secure the development of widows compatible systems. PC makers have mentioned that "windows only" machines have limited advancement.
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