Fox Engine: Metal Gear Solid Might End up on Xbox360

According to a promotional video that was released by Konami, they are working on a cross-platform engine, named "Fox Engine," which will enable cross-platform capability for their future games. The demonstration showed a lush jungle environment with moving characters, and seemed to be towards an advanced stage of production.

[aviator189]

The engine certainly looks great and I can't wait to see it reach its potential.
Anyways, seeing the engine on multiple platforms is nice as more consumers will be able to experience the games it powers.

[Keith Olbermann]

Well said aviator189

[darthv72]

play on words there
technically, the ngp is a platform that would be capable of rendering this fox engine. Why would people assume that it would be the 360 and not the ngp and ps3 he is referring to?

I really hope it does come to the 360 but we need to think about context and the possible underline connotations that could be implied by statements like: Konami are working on a cross-platform engine, named "Fox Engine,"

360 and ps3 are not the only platforms. You now have the ngp, project cafe, 3ds....

Konami could mean any of those or they could mean only 2.

[Dragun619]

The pre-E3 video from Konami pretty much stated, Kojima will be multiplatform from here on out, if you didn't notice, the MGS3 for 3DS, MGS/ZoE Collection for both 360&PS3, MGS:R for both 360&PS3, the PC mouse/360/PS3 controllers he stated will be the platforms for his next game.

I would be surprised if they don't announce a version for Nintendo's next Console after E3.

[PhantomT1412]

@darthv72

Dude, if the NGP can do it, no reason the XBox 360 can't. And he showed the three controllers: Xbox, Dualshock and a mouse.

[gamingdroid]

The only reason Konami would make anything exclusive to any platform at this point is a big payout from one of the big three.

To port only cost about 10% of the entire budget. Yet the sales can potentially double!

That is a lot of money to throw in from any company and the best you will likely see is some preference from the developer to include extra content on one version.

It's economics 101! Just about any third party exclusive has gone multi-platform. Exclusives are only likely to come from smaller studios or obviously first or second party.

[jaosobno]

Let me burst some delusional bubbles here; 360 couldn't run MGS4 (according to Kojima, it could barely fit 50GB blu ray), what makes you think it could run MGS5?

The only way that it could, is to make severe cuts in quality department and knowing Kojima, do you think he'd be will be willing to do that?

Plus, how exactly did anyone, after reading this article, conclude that it will come to 360?

When article mentioned cross platform play, it probably referred to NGP-PS3 crossplay.

[darthv72]

@jaoso...
technically...the 360 could run mgs4. The fact that the size of the data is your "bursting bubble" point is really moot. The sheer technical abilities of the hardware are capable.

Now to add to your other point is what I was eluding to as well. We know that the 360 is capable but is it one of the platforms that will be getting this cross platform engine?

I sure hope so but considering the long standing past between sony and kojima (not konami) is what leads me to think that it could be shunned. Yes MGS2 substance came out for xbox but it was not kojima team that did it (if i recall). Same as the twin snakes for the cube.

These are MGS games in property but not in the spirit that kojima and his team developed them for those platforms. Which leads to the whole play on words thing. NGP is a platform and capable of running this engine and could be one of the ones konami is eluding to. PS3 would likely be the other and (heres hoping) nintendo systems and of course...everyones favorite (that they dont want to admit they really do like)....360.

Call me cautiously optimistic but that is why I have all the systems when it comes to situations like this. You just dont know until it comes out. But at least you are covered when it does.

Oh and Phantom. No where did i say the 360 was not capable. We all know it is. Have an agree on me.

[kingdoms]

darth
The announcement was shown while hideo was showing the new engine on a 360 dev kit with ign confirming what the world seen with their own eyes.

[darthv72]

@kingdoms
thank you for that. Perhaps they will make use of this more often unlike square has done with their multi-platform engine.

Yeah...that is a dig at square.

[zeal0us]

we 360 folks only can dream of this happening.

[gamingdroid]

@jaosobno
It's not the game assets taking up all the space, it is all the damn video and sound. Surely some compression would work, but even then it would be like what 4-5 DVD's at worst case.

We have seen games released on 4 DVDs before....

[AAACE5]

This may sound bad on my part, but did anyone notice 2 360 controllers on his desk. And choosing between the Mouse, Dual shock 3 and 360, he chose the 360 controller with a smile on his face!

Kojima does certain things on purpose, so i'm trying to figure out why he did it and made sure we saw that. What is he saying?

[captain-obvious]

the game they showed is clearly not a MGS game
so idk

but then again
im more than happy that everyone gets to play MSG
its a blessing to gamers and all should try it

but at the same time everyone should respect it

[NeutralGamer]

People is totally forgetting why we are seeing MGS on 360....

A couple of months ago Konami made a MGS Survey on Facebook and one of the last questions was "What do you wish that MGS would include in the future?"

And one for the options was "MGS on Xbox 360"...

Also there was a "MGS 3 Remade" and "Peace Walker on PS3" option...

I guess alot of people answered those 3 and Konami thought: "Why not kill 3 birds with 1 stone? Lets do a MGS HD collection which brings Peace Walker to PS3 and the MGS series to 360!

Konami is truly a fan pleasing company and alot of game companies could learn from them...

Also to the people claiming "Xbots don't deserve the MGS series" all I gotta say is that I played MGS 1,2,3 on PS1 and PS2 also I played Portable Ops and the digital comic on PSP before I sold my PSP...

I bet there are alot of "xbots" out there who are former PS1/Ps2 owners who already know to MGS... Why do all sony fanboys asume that they have the rights to MGS and that its impossible for a Xbox owner to have known MGS...

Heck MGS 2 even came to Xbox -.-

BONUS EDIT:

I think that Kojima is trolling us all and will actually meet up at E3 this year...

[DaTruth]

As long as they can make it good, I really don't care if it's multiplatform! It's just that few devs have actually pulled that off and I don't want a MGS5 that is a step backwards from MGS4!

If anyone can do it!

[thesummerofgeorge]

This shit again? MGS 5 will not be on the 360, it would be a step backwards to try and fit the next installment on 10 DVDs

[Mr Patriot]

Spin spin baby, the announcement of MGS HD alone guarantees it will be on 360. I dont blame Kojima who the hell doesnt waant more money, the PS fans might not like it, but to developers nowadays money > fans ... harsh but true

[DragonKnight]

Wow, look at all the people assuming that MGS5 is going to the 360 just because of the creation of a multiplatform engine. In case no one knows this, Kojima pretty much has free reign over MGS because his studio owns the IP. If he doesn't want an MGS game going to the 360, then you can bank that an MGS game won't go to the 360.

This is an engine. We have no evidence to support that it's an MGS engine, or that MGS5 is in development, or what platform it will be on.

Geez people.

[pixelsword]

Let some games be on as many consoles as possible, but don't cut the game because of the shortcomings of another console;

I don't care if it's called "Many Discs Solid" as long as both consoles get the original vision.

Besides, it's not confirmed; so there's no need for speculation.

[metsgaming]

probably the engine pictures i saw where not that good. I noticed that immediatly and thought that since it wasnt good it might be a multiplatform engine. To bad they are compromising the quality of the game.

[metsgaming]

lol at the disagrees, look at the pictures that they showed and tell me that that looks like ps3 exclusive quality. You cant because it isnt its dull and the greens are very washed out. Its definitly a Multiplat engine they took a step backwards. That engine can be done on the 360 and thats the truth.

[AAACE5]

I thought my comment would make me sound bad, but after reading yours, I feel better!

I won't bother to disagree with you... looks like enough have.

[jarrod1981]

looks good to me

[DaTruth]

I thought the game in the video looked pretty good! The jungle looked lush and full and the vegetation looked like it had substance and wasn't just 2D and weightless!

[laoboy_Smoke]

I don't have an issue with mg going multiplat cuz I'll get it for tha black beast anyway ... but my thoughts on multiple disk games is what happens if u lose one of em???swapping out disk is only an issue if ur lazy PERIOD but if u lose a disk or gets damaged that's a whole other problem...

[likedamaster]

These tears bring joy...

[EYEamNUMBER1]

metal gear solid already has ended up on the 360 though?

[THC CELL]

hd ones not 4 or 1 n maybe not 5

[Kran]

Metal Gear Solid rising is going to 360 too.

[Lyr1c]

It's not Metal Gear Solid: Rising, it's Metal Gear Rising.

Believe me, it makes a difference.

[CaptainAmerica]

Nope, its Metal Gear Solid: Rising.

[specialguest]

it's Metal Gear Solid: Rising
Here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

As you can see: It is: Metal Gear Solid: Rising

[Warprincess116]

They already releasing the metal gear collection on the 360 so they obviously gone to make the next mgs be on the 360. Im really disappointed because if they stuck with the mgs series being exclusive, they could of probably made the next mgs game graphics look like uncharted. Mgs4 sold 5 million copies so why would he make the next mgs game mutiplatform. Bad move kojima.

[Fox01]

Unless Sony is willing to pay them, why should they keep it PS3 exclusive?

They are MGS fans that don't own a PS3; Kojima-Productions made a good call. More people get to enjoy their games and they get to make more $$$

[Dazel]

Damb right, i own all the games across 4 platforms and getting that number down will be great.

Not sure how Peace Walker will translate to console though...

[krazykombatant]

money, money, money, money, oh and money.. i'm sorry but this is a business world. You looking for bubbles from the sony fanboys warprincess???

Don't think i'll be picking this up at the moment since i'm bankrupt. But perhaps in the future.

[jrbeerman11]

Unfortunately there is a vocal minority of people who only like games because they are exclusive. On this site you would swear most people are fanboys.

The same people that were, "OMGZ MGS FING OWNZ" are now going to say that MGS5 sucks and would have been better if Kojima hadn't "abandoned" his fans.

I have both consoles and games look good for both. I am sick of people inferring that 360 games look like absolute crap because PS3's stats are better. Not to mention graphics are only a portion of what makes games good or bad.

[AnimeAvenger]

STFU PS Fanboy.

You obviously know nothing. MGS was never an exclusive. MGS2 was on the original Xbox. And MGS is really multi-platform except for MGS4. BTW stop being a graphic whore.

[SlyFoxC]

someone needs a bottle...and then a nap..

[ape007]

crysis 2 is a multiplatfrom game and looking amazing, multiplat development won't affect gfx if the dev is willing to

[AAACE5]

Why sell 5 million when you can possibly sell 10 million?

Exclusivity is dying because games cost a lot to make! So the goal is to do everything possible to sell more units.

That is our curse for wanting these great games.

[Kon]

MGS was never a PS franchise. It is on PC, GC and Xbox

[Snakefist30]

But the MGS Franchise got famous on the Playstation!

[M-A-R-S-H-A-L-L]

The newer MGS games were on Playstation consoles.

Anyways, I don't really care. If Konami wants to make more money, then more power to them. Developers gotta live too.

[NeutralGamer]

A lot of people seems to forget mgs started on MSX and NES

[specialguest]

Konami with its Metal Gear series was never intended to be permanently exclusive to one platform. If you look at the history of the franchise, it bounced around from MSX, Nintendo, to the PlayStation, etc.

According to Wikipedia, the MSX was a home computer created by the then Vice President of Microsoft Japan, and was led by Microsoft. http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

There you have it folks, Metal Gear originally started on a Microsoft console.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[NeutralGamer]

Oh snap.

[likedamaster]

Delicious.

[lazertroy]

It's already a given.

[Agent_S]

Exactly didn't Kojima confirm it in the Konami pre E3 video?

Its already happening I don't know how it turned into a possibility.

[KILLERAPP]

MGS 4, no but the next game he makes will come to the PS3, 360 and the Nintendo Cafe...

[Istanbull]

Bye bye Snake and Big Boss, I salute you, when you were awesome on a Sony console, Kojima sold his soul...

[ape007]

yep MGS on both systems is no where as cool as if it's on a console exclusive, no fanboy here, exclusives make every system taste special in its own way

[yume-k]

Pfft, ya right...
but there is still David Jaffe you can still suck his ya know or sell your mom to him to play Twisted Metal ONLY ON PS3 lol

Lol NOW Kojima sold his soul you say? SOLD HIS SOUL AHAHAHAHA...what a pathetic loser

[Lyr1c]

"The next game he makes" does not have to be a Metal Gear title....

[deadfrag]

good!

[sayonara89]

360 will have MGS2, 3 and "5", that's far from complete but yeah... next MGS is multiplatform (360, PS3, PC, NGP/Vita).

[B1663r]

Hey, how come there are no articles about the xbox being 5.5 million ahead of the ps3? Microsoft almost has their 1st year lead back!

[Fox01]

Because at this point, it REALLY doesn't matter.

Both consoles have sold well enough to guarantee support from all publishers.

[cyclonus007]

Even though this is completely unrelated to the article...
Last numbers i saw showed MS with a ~3 mil lead. Where are you getting those numbers from?

[kingdoms]

The news was posted earlier today and was put in the tabloid filtered section to hide it even though it was real news from Microsoft. Now they can report any incoming news about it as a duplicate. Sony reported 50 million world wide last week and Microsoft reported 55 million today.

As to the story I love damage control falsehoods like "Solid Might End up on Xbox360" after it was explained very clearly from the source. All games will have global treatment on multiple platforms and I'm guessing all past relevant games seeing this latest development

Edit. @ dude below

The settings are around the top right corner of the home page.
Filter separates the quality of the news a member will see. Tabloid setting will put you where all the crappy news is all in one spot.

[SuperLupe]

Whats the tabloid section ?

Anyways, 360 on fire since Kinect so its kind of expected. I dont think Sony are ever going to pass MS this gen. MS have managed to counter the price cuts, slim PS3, exclusives..

[Kobe357]

@Kingdoms lmao wut? I'm pretty sure Sony reported 50 million well over a month ago :-/

[2v1]

shoot i could go to gamestop and buy a used 360 for 99dollars and a ps3 used for 240dollars

[Dread]

denial
:)

besides Sony fanatics only discuss sales when it is convenient to them. When its not convenient, then you get the same old mantra": "play games not sales"

in other words, sales do not matter except when they do.

double standards are very common with fanatics.

lol

@fox

yea right...If Sony passes MS in sales I am sure that the sony crowd wont say anything because they dont care about sales. /s

[jarrod1981]

dude, what you say about the sales thing is so true that noone can deny it. well said.

[M-A-R-S-H-A-L-L]

And according to 360 fans, sales only matter, not the games. No wonder they get defensive when people ask about the games on the 360.

[Megaton]

Someone ought to tell the world that MGS2 was on Xbox. It wouldn't be a shocker.

Not to mention the HD remakes being on 360, and of course the Raiden spin-off thing.

[Zir0]

It already has >_>

[256bit]

if you own one console then that is your fault. maybe those 20+ games you have. with that money you could of bought yourself another console.

[badjournalism]

Or I'll keep my single system and 20+ games rather than have both and a small handful of games for each.

[radphil]

Or rather you can shop smart and be able to have that same amount of games for all systems, like I do for example. :p

[Kon_Artist]

ill stick to the ps3.

[Goeres]

Not a flamebait, really haha, but I'm curious. We all know just how BIG MGS4 is. How on earth will MGS5 be able to pass it in content and quality when the fourth game would span over multiple dvds. (not talking 2 or 3 here, but a damn library).

Enlighten me =/

[ape007]

Rage, Red dead, crysis 2, mass effect 2, gears 3(to mention a few), are all some of the biggest, best looking games in this gen, no sacrifices made cause of 360 and look at the huge upcoming 3rd party hits at this year's E3, no company has mentioned that ps3 version is going to be bigger or having more quality like u said yet those games are pushing standards in terms of gfx and scale more than the PS3 EXCLUSIVES(Crysis2 and RAGE), this is not like splinter cell on the original xbox compared to ps2 or gamecube versions or impossibility of porting DOOM 3 or Half life 2 on ps2 or gamecube, facts are facts, xbox 360 and ps3 are Nearly equal

[2v1]

i get that you are a dlc supporter!

[ape007]

didn't kz 2 and 3 have dlc

plus, mass effect 2, dead space 2 and La noire space issues were resolved by multi disks

so how u gonna reply dude

[jc48573]

just a little worried with the disc space limitations of the 360.

[Etackett2010]

Funny headline.

[Etackett2010]

lol @ disagrees.

[You Noob]

mgs series is DEAD.

this engine is for new IP.

[badjournalism]

Apparently the guy who wrote this completely missed the 360 box shots for the MGS HD collection ._. why do people keep posting articles from sites that can't even do *basic* research before writing this shit?

[Butt0n_m4sher]

nope, I saw them. This is about the future of MGS, a game made from scratch for multi-platform using the Fox Engine. The video was released yesterday, this is recent news buddy

[badjournalism]

This isn't news. Metal Gear Rising all but confirmed any future MG series titles will be cross platform. Pretending this is news worth speculating over is a sad attempt at page views and hits. Throw in the part about how 'coincidental' it is that the HD collection was announced at the same time and it really screams "I didn't do any real work to make this article!"

[Butt0n_m4sher]

thank you for the instructions, professor. if its not news explain to me the several comments from ppl who apparently didn't know about this?

[WhiteLightning]

No thanks, I don't want to see Metal Gear Solid dumbed down because of the DVD format the 360 is using, then for the developer to use that cut content for DLC.

That's not a fanboy comment, that is a fact. Too many games this gen have been effected by that stupid size limit on the DVD format. L.A. Noire being the recent one, GTA4, FF13 and others.

[Rikan]

....Its called multiple discs. Bluray was great for movies, not really necessary for games. 10 minute install does not trump a 10-sec disc swap. Also: space is the only reason PS3 games can't run on the 360. You could code the games to 360 and utilize multiple discs. Fact. Please, save the '360 can't handle the graphics' quips--your not that hardware dumb, are you?

Bluray is great. But it revolutionized and became the necessity of movies, not games.

[SkyGamer]

Just curious on FF13. Where is this so-called dlc?

[Hyperbomb69]

so basically if they do decide to create this new engine, the next MGS game is gonna be about as good as any other multiplat game....
I like when they focus on one system at a time especially when its the PS3 that way they dont need to hold anything back because of the xbox.

[Nes_Daze]

Another great franchise heading downhill... Guess sales are everything right?

[Rikan]

Its like everyone on this site was asleep during the E3 a few years back where Microsoft AND Kojima announced: "Microsoft is proud do have Kojima San and his legacy of past and future MGS games now on the Xbox platform."

MGS has not been a Playstation exclusive for a very long time. With the immense success of the Xbox franchise, having games remain exclusive to the PS3 just doesn't make any business sense. You would be throwing away x-amount of dollars.

No one said anything when Mass Effect went to PS3. So why are you bitching about a franchise that went to Xbox ages ago. Kids today...

[baodeus]

although i'm a fan of MGS, i'm more interested in the Zone of Enders collection. Have not play it. But if you guys already have this game/still be able to play it, the collection might not be for u.

[Nykamari]

Boy you guys/gals are tough! Stop all the fussing and enjoy these wonderful games! I like my exclusives too buy when a company can expand the platforms we all win. Think about it more sales may equal more games for us all. Shit what are you gamers or politicians? Let's just play games and enjoy ourselves.

[Kobe357]

The real question is....MGS5? Really? Where are the new IP's Hideo?

[Deadman_Senji]

Oh boy it's THIS rumor again.

[lochdoun]

Stealth games are truly making a comeback.
Splinter Cell, Metal Gear, Hitman and Theif!

[ape007]

dunno how u got disagrees

[diehardgamer1000]

sigh how sad..u knw its not case of wanting the game to stay exclusive but,we all know what has happened to games like FF when they went multiplatform...i mean wtf,these pple are supposed to be aiming for quality.This accessibility BS and reaching out to a bigger fanbase is the reason for the downhill trend of many games.the moment you go multiplatform u hv to focus more resources on tryin to get the dev team to learn the different devkits and the APIs...tht takes time off the actual design of the game.Say what you will but this can never be a good thing,i mean Kojima said the PS3 restricted him when he was making mgs4 how da fuck is the 360 supposed to cope.

[tigertron]

MGS4 is a fantastic third party exclusive, but if it ever does make its way to the 360, or Project Café, then those who haven't played the game because they don't have PS3s can experience this gem.

As for the whole "Metal Gear Solid ending up on the 360" thing, MGS was never a PS exclusive franchise. We had Substance on the original Xbox, Twin Snakes on the Gamecube and the original Metal Gear was on the NES.

[Soldierone]

Its always sold better on PS3 and Kojima outright shows he loves working with Sony. We know its not a third party, but most of the reasons as why Xbox fanboys on sites like this enjoy it going cross platform is to say "HA WE GOT YOUR GAME" then they turn back to COD.

You guys got the game, congrats, now you better friggin support it or its going back exclusive. Don't believe me? Well what happened with MGS3 after MGS2 failed on Xbox....

[Foxgod]

They even named it after me, such a honor!

[Soldierone]

Everyone knows this was a Konami decision and not a Kojima decision. Just sucks we only get to see one game with the MGS4 engine...especially when the entire MGS1 game was basically in MGS4. And still no trophies...

Either way im still pumped, just sucks we wont see a high end exclusive engine anymore.