EA says the balance of power in the first person shooter market is shifting away from Activision's genre leading Call of Duty series to its own "champion", Battlefield.
No, the main market of Call of Duty is children, they will not be buying Battlefield 3. Some people just don't recognize a good game.
You just showed you know absolutely nothing about the target demographic of military shooters. Congratulations. The majority of players in online FPS games are adult males from 18-35. Kids, in any online community, stand out because they usually always have mics and love letting you know about it where more adults will just shut mics off (unless on a team) and mute everyone that is annoying. Also, calling Call of Duty a "bad" game means you are just a COD hater (that probably buys it anyways). If BF was as popular as COD the roles would be reversed. There would be this niche underground movement (like there is with BFBC, KZ, etc.) to campaign that the less popular game is "way betterz" than the other. Sadly COD has set the online MP bar and no one in the forseeable future and no one will knock them off. I am very much looking forward to BF3. The game looks awesome and I like the series. I'm not going to put on my blinders though and say MW3 doesn't also look awesome and fun. Some people just don't remember games are meant to be fun.
it looks like it IS true EA talks more about COD than activision does lol
Actually I believe Jio was right. Most of the time, game is played by either 12 year olds or frat boys which basically have a mindset of a 12 year old, so it's basically the same thing.
That is not really true for everybody. I say COD is a bad game, and never buy that trash. COD games are a rental at most or I play them at a friends house they happens to have it. There are tons of kids on COD. You can not deny that fact. Even more annoying are the adults that are just as bad as the kids. I do agree that BF is a much better series in my opinion, and I will stick to that for my FPS needs.
Raven I agree with everything you said. And I hope no one mistakes me for some kind of COD apologist I just can't stand the crazy fanboyism against COD. It has reached 360/PS3 fanboy level. People also don't take into account, COD is a household name. A "casual" gamer could walk into my house and see me playing : Medal of Honor, Homefront, SOCOM, Battlefield, etc. and they usually would ask ... "Are you playing COD?" That sound simple but there is a ton of power in that people see military shooters and immediately think COD. Also, when a game sells 8-9 million copies (COD)on each console you are going to run into a lot more kids/idiots/frat boys/etc. than you are on a game that sells maybe 2 million (BF). I'm all about people playing what they like but the blind COD hate is just as childish IMO as the people they are making fun of who play it. I think the warzone mode in Killzone is the best MP shooter mode there is but I don't play KZ as much because most of my friends play COD and SOCOM. I play to have fun with my friends and I think people like us (gaming enthusiasts) are the minority. I probably have as many games for my PS3 as all my friends combined. BF is great and COD is great. Play what you like.
jeseth I agree the blind COD hate is kind of stupid. That is just something we have to deal with on sites like this. It is very hard to find a good set of people to play games with these days honestly. That is the reason my friends list on my PS3 is very small. I honestly don't want BF to turn into COD duty. I want the game to remain a high quality product.
Another COD fan here and I'm 27. I have a casual XBOX clan and our ages range from 22 to 40, we play everything from Forza, to COD to BF:BC2, but mainly MW2/Blops at the mo. There seems to be a tendancy to to tar all COD players with the same brush wich irk's me some what. Seeing as I'm a COD player but also play FPS which are far more mature than COD and BF, like ARMA and Red Orchestra. There are problems with COD and these should be voiced, but its the blind hatred bullshit that needs to stop. IMO COD offers the best casual pick up and play FPS multiplayer there is out there, this is not only reflected in sales but also in online activity. Last time I checked there were 4 COD games in the top 20 (BO, MW2, COD4 & [email protected]) and 0 BF games. People have opinions of games thats fine, just make sure when you start having a rant about who plays them make sure you get your facts right first.
@jeseth Well said man. As you've pointed out - there's a ridiculous number of people that play CoD so there's naturally going to be more kids AND more adults. It's just that the kids are the ones that you remember because they were the ones screaming down the mic for no apparent reason.
'No, the main market of Call of Duty is children' Not even close to the truth... Call of Duty series has the top 2 selling games on both the PS3 and 360 of all time. You don't get to 10-12 Million sold on a game with an ESRB of Mature with a MAIN market being children. We hear all the sweeping biased statement all the time because the popular thing on the internet is to hate on the Call of Duty series (mainly because of Activision &the MW2 debacle) But log off and real gamers know that EVERYONE (not literallly) plays Call of Duty before ANY title. It's one of those games that has the biggest mass appeal. As for BF3..look we get it..it looks phenominal..but just because people play and love Call of Duty does not make them non-gamers or children.. Just my take Evil
Here here, why is it people defending COD always come back with a logic argument, but haters just spout things they've heard other people say. Maybe the COD gamers are the mature ones and the BF fans are all school children fanboys? becuase with all the COD hate they aren't showing themselves in a very good light.
@retrofly It's "cool" to hate whatever is the most succesful. It's like that with anything, not just games.
I cannot wait for bf3, but I still think mw3 will win as far sales are concerned. I've pointed out the problems with the cod franchise to some of my friends and they simply don't care, which is sad.
but the fact is that FPS are currently the most popular type of game, regardless of age. FPS have been my favorite type of game since I was 7 in 1993 and Ive noticed that this generation FPS have been increasing in popularity on consoles by a huge margin. It doesnt matter what ages the games are made for, fact is that all ages play games, and FPS are currently the most popular types of game across all ages, except maybe not really really young kids(under that age of 7 maybe). In regards to this article, BF 3 will never sell as much as COD, sad but true. Id say that just the 360 version of COD MW3 will out sell all versions of BF combined. Not being a dick, but I know how popular COD is. Im not really down with COD anymore but there is no denying that it is the most popular game right now.
. I feel sorry for EA, they said the same thing about MOH...O_o. Wait till they lose the lawsuit with Activision. Those E-mails Activision has are going to sink EA for at least 200 million. COD Elite just kicked EA and Dice in the side of the head. Once Activision started the hype train for MW3, Battlefield was dead in the water...they are no match for COD. Battlefield when it's not trying to copy COD, has game play as old as health packs. COD is the people's champ. That is why it's going to be the game that defined this generation of gaming and in case you haven't noticed, this gen is coming to an end. I'm not saying battlefield is going to be a bad game, it's not and will have good sales...about HALF what COD will have. COD has the right balance of game play and there is nothing the haters can do about it. Can't wait for the live game play reveal ON CONSOLES at E3. I still haven't seen the console version of Battlefield...why are they hiding it??? BTW...there is as many younger gamers playing COD as there is older gamers. The more younger gamers, the better it will be for Activision going forward.
has EA not deliver more games & quality than activision over the last 3 years? EA - Next year mass effect 3! Activision - Next year Call of duty again..
i dont think BF will be commercial, the main reason why games like COD are commercially a success is because they are easy to play. Look at Halo, its not a hard game to play, its a simple pick up and go game. COD is the same while BF you can pick up and go but not so fast. theres a learning curve to playing battlefield and with the bullet drop in BF3 i dont think i would expect kids to understand if you look at a target and shoot it from a far range it doesnt mean your gonna hit your target. they wont understand you have to shoot higher to hit your target. thats my 2 cents on why i think its not but for whatever reason i hope BF doesnt go TOO commercial. i dont want to pay for stupid map packs that i could have had at launch its just that the developers are greedy and what my $15 for the next 3 packs
Real gamers will buy Battlefield 3.
Real gamers will buy both.
Real gamers are tired of Pew, Pew, Pew and will buy neither.
Fair point. I'll probably get them but spend most of my time with Skyrim, Forza 4 and Gears 3
Pillville and Meerkat . . . Agree with you both. The plethora of games this fall and winter are seriously making it hard to commit to any one game for a long time.... Skyrim will consume me.
Id have to say im getting tired of having so many FPS and having so many modern war FPS that all seem very similar to me. later this year Ill be getting Dark souls, gears 3, uncharted 3, and skyrm before I even consider playing COD or Battlefield.
that remain to be seen after they actually show Battlefield 3 running on console
Yeah but it will more then likely look alot better then call of duty the bad company games sure did
I think they're right. I've always prefered BF to COD
ROFLMFAO! I thought it was April Fools with this story at first.
I will definitely be picking up BF3 but MW3 I'm not sure about yet. It will take some convincing.
Well that's very optimistic. I'd like nothing more than to see BF3 become a critical/commercial success, but let's not get ahead of ourselves yet.
Once Battlefield overtakes COD it will no longer be the underdog and everybody will hate on it the way they hate on COD. Plus with added sales and players comes added complaining about what to fix and Battlefield will fall to the same problems COD has. EA will tweak and tinker to cater to the more vocal (often sucky whiny FPS player) and come up with a game that is easier for crap players to be good at (a la Black Ops). And people will then start talking about of great COD is again. Its like a vicious cycle.
You sir, know nothing. For starters you can tell they aren't doing it by clearly stating that the PC version is going to be the best. Did they do it for BF2, BCBC2? No. They are actually taking pride in their games, such as using a brand new, built from the ground up, engine. They aren't using an engine that is how old now? CoD has been using the same one from AT LEAST CoD1 and have just been upgrading it. And they are STILL using it. They are changing the game to be completely different from what it use to be by adding in so many damn killstreaks that the game isn't even about using your gun anymore to get kills. I could rave on all day, but Dice are clearly not in it for milking their product by using the least expensive recourses to make a clone of their old game that should have just been DLC. And before you hate on my last point, in MW2/MW3, what couldn't have been added to CoD4 that couldn't have been DLC?
I'm routing for Battlefield.
Battlefield will be getting my cash this year. Activision have made billions from the COD series over the last few years and what do they do to their loyal customers? Tell them if they want to enjoy all aspects of Modern Warfare 3 they're gonna have to pay an added subscription on top of the retail price. All to access areas of the game that other games offer as part of the retail price. It's probably just a small thing and I'd say I could enjoy MW3 withou Elite but purely on principal I'm jumping on the Battlefield bandwagon.
Does it really matter if it does not sell more? look at some of the best selling music today, best selling does not mean best quality.
Very true... alot of the best selling music is utter shite! But people on N4G do love to compare sales sizes....
Yeah battlefield will have my money and respect :)
. Battlefield & Call of Duty. EA & Activision.
Military shooters? Please.. Done. Overdone. Done some more. It was boring in 2007 people. If any FPS deserves any play this fall, it's Rage. The rest of them and wallow in their piles of stupid people's money.
I think they will get alot closer in terms of numbers. And although in the next round COD will still come out ahead, if BF keeps improving, and COD keeps staying the same then I think there will be a shift at some point. Personally I hope that they draw roughly even in sales and both have to constantly push to get better with each new game to try to out-do each other..... THAT is the outcome all gamers should be hoping for as it will guarantee faster improvement in both games!
Yeah i reckon by battlefield 4 or 5 the numbers game may change in favour of battlefield
I would like to know how EA knows it's shifting away from CoD, I mean, Black Ops sold more than MW2, which sold more than the previous CoD. I'll actually believe people are leaving CoD for another shooter when CoD's sales actually go down, not when they go up. Anyway, BF3 seems like a great game, I'll be sure to buy it on PC, but claiming it will sell more than MW3 is positive thinking at best. I guess EA forgot how Black Ops sold more than MoH and BF:BC2 combined. Plus, you can't ignore that Modern Warfare titles seem to be even more popular than "regular" Call of Duty titles (despite Black Ops outselling MW2), so I'm pretty sure MW3 will have great sales.
Yeah, remember EA's last COD killer? Medal of Honor? What ever happened to that game? DId anyone buy that junk? Nobody right now can compete with 60fps Call of Duty is known for. Battlefield 3 will be 30fps or lower and will look and run like crap on console.
Way to make a general statement about something you know nothing about! You kids are ridiculous.
You honestly think Battlefield is going to run at 60fps on consoles? You're the one who knows nothing. Also, I'm not a kid. Come back here when BF3 comes out and I'll tell you I was right about the framerate. (I'm not talking about the PC version). Battlefield is NOT going to sell more than MW3.
Wow. Thats quite the statement considering no one has seen console footage. DICE don't like consoles. They make it clear PC is there preferred and target market. Quite frankly i am going to be very selfish here, i couldn't care less how well it ran on consoles - it's one of the very few games that are made on PC as lead platform, i think we deserve to have a game made for us PC gamers for once. And this is it. Sure i hope it's good on consoles too, i would like nothing more than for it to take CoD's crown, but as long as it's made for PC and is a great game im happy.
And you know why it will run 30fps and not 60fps like COD? 1st: BF3 has a destructible environment thats mostly NOT scripted 2nd: The game engine uses mostly real time lighting and effects(console) the PC version uses ALL real time effects 3rd: Graphic engine is VASTLY superior to MW3 engine which is nothing more than a re-skining of previous COD engines. 4th: BF3 will allow you to operate practically every vehicle in the game and with great detail 5th: BF3 for consoles might actually run in 720p, something COD has not for some time Bottom line. MW3 should be DLC and NOT a full retail game. Its Activision way of ripping off people.
1. Destructible environment is pretty neat, but not needed. 2. Graphics don't make a game fun 3. Graphics don't make a game fun 4. I don't think people care about driving vehicles in a shooter 5. Graphics don't make a game fun None of what you said makes BF3 more fun than COD. I don't think the majority of people are looking for realistic warfare when they play COD. They want fast, fluid motion. They WANT to run around with a sniper rifle. They want crazy perks like marathon and ninja. They wanna thrown tomahawks at people. The COD fanbase plays COD because it's FUN. It has that arcade feeling of doing whatever you want. COD has something in it for everybody. That's why it's so popular. You can be whatever you wanna be. Heck, you can run around and just knife if you want or you can sit in a corner with an LMG all day... it doesn't matter... as long as that person is having fun.
likes fast, arcade-like game-play they can jump in be spastic in? Children. Don't get me wrong, CoD is fun but trying to act if all Battlefield is worse because I can't dive off the top of a building spraying a shotgun is being plain ignorant.
@thespaz If graphics don't make a game fun (I do agree with you on that one) then why have you been harping on about the frames per second? Do you not think that MW or COD would be better (or more fun) with destructible environments and vehicles? I remember playing the first Battlefield that came out on the 360 back in 2006, think it was called Battlefield Modern Combat, and the vehicles really made the game online. You could be in a tense firefight in a town square, you and a buddy up against 5 other guys, pinned down, next thing a friendly tank would come rumbling into view and turn the tide, good times!
Unfortunately Call of Duty is Call of Duty, I would love that game to be destroyed to pieces, but that ain´t going to happen anytime soon. But maybe MW3 will prove me wrong, in a good way or in a bad way. Time will tell.
Not until they at least match the gameplay and controls of COD. I think that is the only thing holding them back.
MW3 will sell a lot more. Thats the sad truth. Its a CASUAL FPS game that is easy to play and rack up kills. It's one of the reasons so many 12 year olds and younger play it. It's one of the reasons it sells so well. Its no KZ2 or Operation Flashpoint or BF series. Quality wise BF3 will blow MW3 out of the water...however sales wise, MW3 will be bought by millions of legion fans thinking its the best FPS ever...even with its dated features and game engine and rehashed format year in year out
Smoochie . . . you didn't say it right . . . "...fans thinking its the best FPS ever" should be : "teh bests FPS EVARRRRR!!!". Hahahaha. I'm having too much fun on this article.
I wish them good luck, I'll be cheering them on. Modern Warfare and CoD doesn't deserve any of the praise it has been getting.
Remeber what everyone said about MOH? Everyone raved about it being a COD killer, I havn't even heard about it since release it bombed that bad.
This is a little bit like Pepsi saying one day they'll sell more than Coke. Might be a better product, people might like it more if they try it, but Coke will never be outsold...
I wish. Dear sweet baby Jesus do I wish..
I could see that if call of duty has another black ops mistake then yes i do seeing it going the way of guitar hero
I don't really care whether or not it beats Call of Duty. I think it should focus on keeping all the things that made BF2 so special. Trying to "popularize" can sometimes mean "casualize" and loosing a lot of those things, which it's already started to show symptoms of. only 4 player classes, no commander mode, likely to have no mod tools(I'm dying to play Project Reality BF3), and don't be surprised when you find all guns available for all factions too.
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