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Possible Wii 2 Specs Revealed?

Gamertag Radio writes: "An internal document from Nintendo has surfaced on the Internet highlighting the hardware specs of the new Nintendo “Project Cafe” device otherwise known as the Wii HD or Wii 2." (Nintendo, Project Cafe, Tag Invalid, Tech, Wii)

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Seijoru  +   1152d ago
If this is real then holy hell! Blu-ray plus a 4-core 3.2ghz processor? 1.5gb of RAM? .5gb of which is XDR2?
a_bro  +   1152d ago
not 3.2, but 3.5ghz
vulcanproject  +   1152d ago
Also Radeon R770 = Radeon 48xx series, @ 766mhz, that basically means a mildly overclocked Radeon 4870 (750mhz stock) most likely.

This type of machine would be approx 4 times as fast as 360 and PS3. It would be enough to knock out better visuals in 1080p resolutions than either existing HD console could do in just 720p. Thing is, it states 16mb eDRAM. That would only actually be enough for a 1280 x 720 framebuffer if that is its intended use. This might be an early indication that the target res of games is 720p, however 1GB of Vram would be more than enough for 1080p.

This is a fairly powerful machine. However expect even more from PS4/360 replacement. Already a Radeon 6870 is twice as fast as a Radeon 4870, and its not even high end.

Saying that, this means this machine will not be excessively expensive to manufacture- its plenty faster than the existing crop, but some way short of bleeding edge tech. It'll never come in at original wii prices, but its possible it might not be all that much more expensive than a PS3.
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Wenis  +   1152d ago
Sounds too good to be true unfortunately... although I would love it to be true.
egidem  +   1152d ago
This is one hell of an expensive device. I hope that there won't be any problems, especially looking at how small the packaging is.

We don't know for sure whether these are the final specs. Here's for E3 to find out what lies inside this beast!
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TOO PAWNED  +   1152d ago
I am not impressed tbh. Bigger leap was needed. Just imagine PS4 and nextbox spec in next 2 years.

Funny thing is that now Nintendo will pay to Sony on every BR disc sold lol
malamdra  +   1152d ago
don't forget that:

-the NES was more powerful than the Master System
-Super NES was more powerful than Mega Drive
-Nintendo 64 was more powerful than PS1 and Saturn
-Gamecube was more powerful than PS2 (not sure about the Xbox)

in 5 out of 6 generations they were the ones with the best hardware, it would be no surprise if this is true
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Too_many_games  +   1152d ago
@malamdra The Gamecube was not more powerful then the Xbox
NatureOfLogic  +   1152d ago
If this is true, I will buy.
sikbeta  +   1152d ago
It can be legit, Idk, all that stuff together sounds expensive, also "Media – Custom Bluray" this a N workaround to not pay Blu-Ray royalties to Sony? who knows, better wait for E3...
ASTAROTH  +   1152d ago
At MALAMDRA... arent you too young to be talking about NES and SNES vs Master System and GENESIS?. Go play the games first.

The NES wasnt as powerfull as the MASTER SYSTEM. The power that time was counted in the faster processor, sprite and colors on screen. Also sound. In all of these the Master System excells the NES. The SNES has more colors and better GFX than the GENESIS but a slower processor.

The GAMECUBE had more features in the GFX than the PS2 like better handling in lightning and textures. The XBOX in the other was the most powerfull console of the last gen. XBOX vixuals in some games..(Conker, NGB, Halo 2) can still compete with 360 and PS3 first gen of games.

The Wii in the other hand is a downgrade in graphics from what the GAMECUBE was. Don believe?? Play Residen Evil 4 on Wii vs GC...or Okami Wii vs PS2 version. NINTENDO cheated their fanbase with the Wii and I demand the Wii 2 or whatever they call it, to have better visuals than both the PS3 and 360. I also demand more 3rd party support. Something thats going to make or brake the next gen Wii is the 3rd party support. . . I could see and incredible looking console with only First party games because 3rd party games dont sell as much... want an example?? Go check CAPCOM financials and their desision to downgrade their support to NINTENDOS consoles...

It will be an interesting NEXT gen!!!
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Peaceful_Jelly  +   1152d ago
A Radeon 4870 has around 800 unified pipelines (stream processor) and that's crazy powerful for a console!!! Compared to the PS3 with only 24 and the Xbox 48 these consoles are underpowered as hell! http://www.amd.com/us/produ...

With this plus console optimizations we could expect Crysis level of graphics running at 1080p/60fps like if it were nothing. And this is why I don't think these specs are real... They are too good.
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Sarcasm  +   1152d ago
1GB of VRAM sounds good to me.

But I say people shouldn't expect too much.
Active Reload  +   1152d ago
This looks rather promising if true and has made my day! That 512mb main RAM, I'm assuming thats used significantly for the OS? If so, then I can see Nintendo brining back a beefed up window lookin format for the interface adding an App store. This system is definitely looking to aim it's sight to the 3rd party core game devs. I'm wondering what Nintendo will deliver in games that will make use of all that power, or will they just let 3rd party devs have fun with it--kinda like what MS does. No matter what, we should be seeing 60fps 1080p graphics with nothing really at all being gimped.
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captain-obvious  +   1152d ago
dont think its real
Computersaysno  +   1152d ago
http://www.guru3d.com/artic...

This is how fast a 4870 can be. Maximal settings on Dead space and Fallout 3, good examples because they are both on current consoles and they both run 1280 x 720 @ 30 frames a second.

As you can see, 4870 has no problems running these games @ 2560 x 1600 better than present machines.

2560 x 1600 is 4 and 1/2 times more resolution than 1280 x 720. Still runs better on that GPU. Howzat.

Anything on PS3 and 360 would be able to run 1080/60 on a machine of this spec without problems, and with performance to spare.

I am not sure why peeps think these specs are too good, when the GPU is 3 years old now. A Radeon 4870 is not a fast GPU by 2011 standards, it aint expensive either. A 5770 is teeny bit faster and they costs like £70/$100 at retail money. Much cheaper than that to make obviously
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kneon  +   1152d ago
@TOO PAWNED

They have already been paying Sony for DVD. Sony has been part of the patent pool for Bluray, DVD and CD.

Panasonic, Philips and Sony own most of the core IP for all these formats.
iamnsuperman  +   1152d ago
I call bull from what we are shown. Doesn't really look like an official document leaked and the website is kinda random. It is more of a wish list. Everyone wait till E3 or you most probably be disappointed.
AWBrawler  +   1152d ago
@Astoroth
Are you smoking crack?
How is Wii a Downgrade?
Name me one Gamecube game that looks as good as Mario Galaxy, Metroid Corruption, Last Story, or even Prince of Persia.

Who the heck would believe that lie?
AdvanceWarsSgt  +   1152d ago
Actually vulcanproject, I would caution your optimism for higher end tech in the PS4/720.

I'm not saying that MS and Sony won't push for the graphical envelope, but don't expect to see the same jump in visuals/performance like we did with the PS2 to PS3 and XBox to 360. I highly doubt that either would want to push a console out for release that they don't make money off of from day 1.
Theonetheonly  +   1152d ago
@vulcanproject
i have a radeon 6970 and trust me it MURDERS my 5750. but it was way cheaper than the gtx580, almost guaranteeing that this cafe machine will be affordable!

can you imagine what this would do to the market if released q3 2012 it would turn it on its head!
Theonetheonly  +   1152d ago
@peaceful jelly :)

the cost of hardware has come down significantly in the last 5 years. so I am pretty sure this is workable. even in the small box it comes in.

everything has moved far beyond the current so something between current consoles and current state of the art can be had for avg console launch price 399-499
Venox2008  +   1151d ago
@Too_many_games oh yes, gamecube WAS more powerful that xbox.. just look at gamecube's exclusives.. (multiplats were same as PS2 quality, but exclusives had best graphics..)

just look at: RE4, RE:zero, RE:make, Luigi's mansion, metroid primes, super mario:sunshine, pikmin and others :)
the_best_player  +   1151d ago
@AWBrawler
"Name me one Gamecube game that looks as good as Mario Galaxy"

Resident Evil 0 and 1
vulcanproject  +   1151d ago
I think it is likely PS4 and the Next xbox will be quite a lot faster than this, as they are more likely to launch right at the end of 2012, or even later. By the time we get to that point, even 6970 and GTX580 will not be any better than midrange performance. You can be absolutely certain of that.

As i said, a 4870 is only about half as fast as a 6870. It was new way back in mid 2008. 6870 itself is only midrange currently. 4870 level of performance isn't anything spectacular or new or expensive. Its pretty damn cheap now. It was less than 1 billion transistors, which is nothing these days for a GPU.

What it is though is quite a lot faster than what 360/PS3 have now, which is all Nintendo probably care about. 4870 is a fair leap over the current machines. Not massive, but enough that you would notice without even having them side by side to compare. You would know.

I think they could price it for maybe £300/$400 at most, it kinda depends what they might have up their sleeve with the controllers and if they are packed full of tech too then the costs will rise further. Nintendo might decide to take a hit on each machine to get them sold quick, it wouldn't be quite as bad a hit as sony took with PS3 initially.
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Ju  +   1151d ago
Could work. If true, this is a quite mighty little machine. Power6 is the logical merge with the Power series and the G3 line CPUs (higher frequency and better power management with the superior architecture of the Power series). I am impressed if IBM can make an embedded version of the Power6. If they do, and put 4 cores in, that is one powerful CPU in a console. i7 level powerful, I suppose. 512MB is enough to execute code, most data will be stored in the VRAM anyway, an 1G is quite nice. I will be even more impressed if they can sell this <$300. SW remains to be seen, I might as well get another Nintendo console next year...
jeseth  +   1151d ago
This does look promising ... can't wait for E3 to see if more comes out. Not holding my breath though, Nintendo doesn't usually have the best hardware.

Plus,

If this is Nintendo's next machine . . . can you imagine what the next Playstation or Xbox will be loaded with!?

Yikes!
catguykyou  +   1151d ago
@TOO PAWNED

Sony is a part of the consortium that backs DVDS and thus collects royalties for them as well. MS is already paying royalties for the media being used. Why would it matter if they went BlueRay in the future?
The original XBOX tried to get around this issue by making DVD playback only available if you bought the DVD remote for the system. The money used for selling the remote was used to pay the royalty fee.
Domer25  +   1151d ago
Problem is IF they do use screens in their controllers, this console will be over $350(with these specs).
ABizzel1  +   1151d ago
Definitely a huge improvement over the Wii, and a great boost over the current consoles if true.

At first I wasn't that impressed considering what is available right now, and what I expect from MS and Sony. But to be honest this is perfect for Nintendo, and even better than I initially thought they would do.

Check my previous thoughts here
http://n4g.com/user/blogpos...

That being said their new console isn't going to be a big hit with the casual right off the back for one reason. It's going to be expensive. In 2006 when you were faced with a $500 - $600 PS3, and a $400 - $500 Xbox 360, the Wii's $250 price point was just too good to pass up for casual gamers.

The 3DS cost $250 (I still think it's overpriced), so a console with this much in it has to retail for at least $350 - $400, unless Nintendo takes a loss early on, but Nintendo has the Apple stigma of overcharging for their products (so it's not hitting $250).

People complained about how they don't want the Wii 2/Cafe to be a slightly more powerful 360/PS3, but these specs. aren't just slightly more powerful this is a step up over what we're currently playing. Now I'm sure the Xbox 720 and PS4 will be leaps above this gen, but the Wii 2 is here NOW, while they're 1 - 3 years off.

Nintendo is in a prime position to stick it to MS and Sony, because now they have a console that can run the same 3rd party games that the PS3 and 360 have (up until they get dropped once the PS4 and 720 launch), as well as their exclusives to establish a broad library of games something Nintendo has never had (be honest they lack great FPS, great TPS, great Action-Adventure, great Racing games) they may have 1 or 2, but nothing compared to the competition. And the big kicker is that you can get all of this for slightly more than a PS3. Nintendo is in a good spot, regardless of what the analysis or other theorist say.

I'm happy for them, because the Wii left a bitter taste in my mouth. This is the one time I believe that 3rd parties will actually support Nintendo even if it's just until the PS4/720 launch.
AWBrawler  +   1150d ago
RE 0 and 1 are different art styles than Galaxy, a more fair representation would be RE Darkside Chronicles vs RE 0 and 1.

Also CoD reflex on Wii is better looking than those two
sdtarm  +   1152d ago
I dont think nintendo is gonna enter to the market with something so powerful and therefore expensive,

also didnt ninty say that they wouldnt include HDD yet? or something like that
Shaman  +   1152d ago
Actually,quad core for console(size matters ;) ) is not so expensive as it was 5 years ago.1.5 gig of ram is also cheap and 48xx cards are nothing to brag about in todays PC world.You got to understand that 360 and PS3,when they came out,had everything top of the class except memory so this really shouldn't go above 400$.
TheDivine  +   1152d ago
Nintendo has acually always had the more powerful console until this gen when they went cheap w gimmicks. Anyone who says nin goes cheap or doesnt do power must have started gaming this gen, the n64 was twice as powerful as the playstation and gamecube was more powerful than ps2 but the least powerful console last gen sold the most, the ps2 so nintendo did that and guess what, sold the most for the most money. Now nintendo is in the best position to get all the support for the new gen and steal ms and sonys thunder.
damnyouretall  +   1151d ago
nintendo is going to have to do something with their next console. cause what would be the point in bringing something out as powerful as a ps3 this late in the game. that would be really stupid. these specs makes sense cause they arent really mind blowing.
BLACKBOIJONES  +   1152d ago
If this is real the PS4 will b 1,000 times more powerful than this!!!
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SSKILLZ  +   1152d ago
True that, and with a new power full cell omg can't even imagin how badass naughtydogs uncharted for the ps4 might look.
death2smoochie  +   1152d ago
are you for real? LOL
Shackdaddy836  +   1152d ago
They will be the best for two years . Then it will be time for ninty to release another console (If Sony and Microsoft wait three years like they said so).

Honestly the fact that Microsoft and Sony are waiting so long is really giving a big advantage to Nintendo. They both should still do very well for themselves but still....
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LOGICWINS  +   1152d ago
What does PS4 have to do with this??
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Green_Ranger  +   1152d ago
If the ps4 is 1,000 times more powerful than this...then expect a price tag 1,000 times more powerful as well lol
Shackdaddy836  +   1152d ago
@Green Oh so they told you the specs?
Shok  +   1152d ago
Sony basically said that they're not going to make a powerful system like the PS3 next time around, actually.
IRetrouk  +   1152d ago
Shok
no what they said was that they wouldnt spend as much money developing the next console, hello the r and d is already done, they have cell and blu ray all they have to do is beef everything up, its going to be a lot cheaper for sony to make the ps4 a powerhouse than it was for them to make the ps3.
Takoulya  +   1152d ago
Firstly, Blackboijones, stop making idiotic statements like that.

Secondly, Shok, they didn't directly say that. They said that they wouldn't give the competition an advantage in terms of release time and price point. Not completely meaning a really low-powered system. Both the 360 and PS3 are fairly close in terms of hardware with a large initial difference of price and time of release.
Mr_cheese  +   1152d ago
The PS4 will be a new power beast, but heck if this is true for the Wii let it shine, when the other systems release we can gloat then. I like the standard it will be setting, very nice.
Computersaysno  +   1152d ago
Well lets just say PS4 uses the best Nvidia single chip right now, GTX580, tis bout 3 times faster than an R770.

'Cept that GTX580 will be replaced in six months with a much more powerful chip on a 28nm process. Roughly twice as fast again. If PS4 would use that, then it would be quite a lot quicker than this yeah. 5 times at least i would say.
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steve30x  +   1152d ago
@ BLACKBOIJONES : What are you smoking? 1,000 time more powerful LMAO. Theres no tech created yet that is 1,000 times more powerful. Maybe 25 - 50% more powerful , but not even minutely close to 1,000 times more powerful.
metsgaming  +   1152d ago
lets assume this is real, imagine how powerful the PS4 and new xbox will be !!!!
amilio  +   1152d ago
I agree buh xbox360 has a good while again. PS3 on the other hand, there wrking on a new console already. i just bought my PS3 :(
Mr_cheese  +   1152d ago
@amilio,

You seriously don't think they're developing a new xbox at the moment?
Consoldtobots  +   1151d ago
yeah but microsoft has a huge storage format problem. They're not willing to swallow their pride and include a bluray drive in their console so I don't see how they are going to compete.
theonlylolking  +   1152d ago
CPU – Custom IBM Power 6 Chip (Codename Fox), Quad Core 3.5Ghz

Graphics – Custom AMD RV770 (Codename Wolf) 766Mhz

RAM – 512MB XDR2 DRAM (Main), 1024 GDDR5 VRAM (Video), 16MB eDRAM

Storage – 2.5″ 250/320GB SATA & Expandable storage via SD/SDHC card up to 64GB

Media – Custom Bluray & compatible with Nintendo GameCube Game Discs & Wii Disc

Display – Composite – 480i, S-Video – 480i, Component – 480/720/1080, HDMI – 480/720/1080

If these specs are REAL then this is what I think needs to be changed.

RAM
I think they are going to need double or triple the amount of RAM these leaked specs have, but then again it is nintendo.

Media Disc
Why would they have gamecube games compatible? I have not seen any new gamecube games being made or being able to be bought in stores. There is hardly any used gamecube games in gamestop so why would nintendo have that backwards compatibility?

Display
I wish nintendo, M$ and Sony will stop support for 480i and 480p. It is so outdated and if they keep supporting it then some gamers will not feel the need to switch to HD(same goes for cable tv providers).

Storage
I think that is a pretty good amount of space but if they are going to start focusing on DLC, arcade games, and downloadable retail games then it will need to be upgradeable for more space

@GodofSackboy
I do ntot want a dictator I am suggesting that peoples lack of upgrading is not good for technology. In japan people buy new tech a whole lot which is why they have some of the best tech in the world.

Treue, some people do want to play some gamecube games but they probably already have a gamecube so why not play it on that or a wii?
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GodofSackboy  +   1152d ago
"then some gamers will not feel the need to switch to HD" - lol? You want some kind of dictator society where people are forced to use HD even if they dont want to? You want less choice? WTF

"Why would they have gamecube games compatible" - Y'know, some people, like, already have Gamecube games that they might want to play etc...
Shadow Flare  +   1152d ago
i literally just bought a used gamecube game 2 days ago. You may not want gamecube B/C but some people would like it
Seedhouse  +   1152d ago
480i/ 480p support would be for backwards compatibility of Wii games, surely?

As for your comments re: GameCube compatibility, I very much enjoy playing through my collection - sure, it's not necessary, but there's still plenty of 'hardcore' out there that'd want backwards compatibility to carry across.
Shaman  +   1152d ago
Why would they shoot for mere 16 megs of eDRAM?Thats odd...thats just enough for 2xMSAA on 720p or 1080p without any MSAA.Maybe some kind of post process AA(FXAA,MLAA etc.?) that doesn't require memory.
Masta_fro  +   1152d ago
@theonlylolking

Thats 512mb ram, PLUS 1gb VRAM...

Thats pretty good actually, considering xbox 360 has 512mb shared RAM...
Rettom  +   1152d ago
Not everybody has an HDTV... you should know that.
Rettom  +   1152d ago
Not everyone has an HDTV... you should know that.
ChickeyCantor  +   1151d ago
" I wish nintendo, M$ and Sony will stop support for 480i and 480p. It is so outdated and if they keep supporting it then some gamers will not feel the need to switch to HD(same goes for cable tv providers). "

Cause you know, its Wii compatible.
480i/p is a resolution not a freaking system on its own.
goaliegonzalez28  +   1152d ago
is it me or does the picture look like a router
showtimefolks  +   1152d ago
i would love for nintendo to release a powerful console
which also does something new.

but this just sounds too good to be true. also how much would this cost?

i paid 600 for ps3 and i am willing to pay that much for wii 2 but if these specs are anything to go by it might be even more expensive

and that's where i stand nintendo will never release a console that will cost 500 or above NEVER

also whatever console nintendo brings out please give us the option to play all the major IP's either with a standard controller or motion just don't pick one for us
Horny  +   1151d ago
You do know the year is 2011. This system has good specs but its nothing amazing by todays standards. They are probably shooting for something between 300-400$. By the time this system comes out it will already be outdated and by the time the ps4 and new x box arrive this will be at least 100-200$ cheaper.
catguykyou  +   1151d ago
I expect the console to be no more than $299. People tend to forget that up until this gen, hardware has ALWAYS sold for a loss. Companies made the money back from software sales. Kind of like how printer companies lose money on printers but make it up with over priced ink.
sourav93  +   1152d ago
It sounds too good to be true. However, if it is true, then it's gonna be my first ninty console since the Gamecube.
catguykyou  +   1151d ago
so....you skipped a gen? Just one? I see....
Peaceful_Jelly  +   1151d ago
I always been a Nintendo fan but they forced me to skip the Wii. That console is lame as hell, I don't even like 98% of the games in it and I hate the poor specs even more. Wii games look hardly any better than PS2, a 10 years old console....
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HolyOrangeCows  +   1152d ago
Nintendo knows better than to make a console that much more expensive than the competition.

And even if they do, it's not like Nintendo will support the sort of games that gamers who care about the amount of power of the console, will even care about. They do everything in their power to keep from being associated from violence or anything else not kid friendly.

And none of this "BUT they'll still support the Wii" crap. Either they drop the Wii like a brick or they continue Wii support and make themselves look bad as the Wii outsells the cafe soon after the hype-charged release. Not even an infinite amount of marketing will get casual gamers/grannies to spend the money that these fake specs would require.
ConstipatedGorilla  +   1152d ago
If this is real, I'm preordering as soon as we're able.
Persistantthug  +   1152d ago
Assuming this is all true.....
It looks like the Wii2/Cafe is mimicking the PS3 design--upgraded of course--as close as possible.

Lets see,
--a higher FLOPS (Graphics Processing) calculating CPU than is typical for General CPU's

--XDR (XDR2 in this case) ram for SUPER fast memory access.

--BLURAY for the best media disk format possible.

--HARDDRIVES in every unit.

Looking pretty good.
Ju  +   1151d ago
Yeah, it screams Sony all over the place (sans SPUs). A PS4 with those specs would be quite impressive, too. Sony better step it up to beat this (price considered).
gypsygib  +   1152d ago
I want Battlefield 3 on this thing.
Kon_Artist  +   1151d ago
sounds $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
JsonHenry  +   1151d ago
Only 1.5gigs of RAM?! COME ON! Would one console manufacturer ever come through and stop choking the devs of these games and give them somewhere close to current tech capacity standards? I don't see why any new system should have less than 3gigs. You'd see game devs jumping for joy if they would do that. Even if they put in old 667/800mhz it would be better than 1.5gigs of a faster RAM.
a_bro  +   1152d ago
sounds very powerful. Im looking foward to nintendo's E3. and of course Sony's E3 as well.
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InstantKarma  +   1152d ago
good article.
BlmThug  +   1152d ago
Fake Specs. It Would Cost A Lot For This And Nintendo Dont Do That. Expect Specs Midway Xbox 360 And PS3
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zeal0us  +   1152d ago
I thought the same thing dude, go back and look all their retro consoles and compared them to sega consoles. They were way more powerful than sega stuff back in the day. They didn't start switching the low-end spec game until gamecube days.
jizzyjones  +   1152d ago
Would it really cost that much tho? its 2011 not 2006, I know they generally use OLD hardware in favour of profit ect but 512mb RAM isn't alot, 2.5' hardrives are dirt cheap, blu ray drives are too. An this thing is supposedly going to be announced in around a weeks time, im not ruling it out just yet.
Shackdaddy836  +   1152d ago
It wouldn't cost as much as people are thinking...

Another year from now when it releases it will be an alright price. Still expensive but definitely affordable.
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Shok  +   1152d ago
Exactly. And this console is releasing in 2012, so the cost to manufacture this would be even more less expensive by then.
ChickeyCantor  +   1151d ago
3DS is 250.
Reggie said that their launch target audience is a different one compared to the Wii.
jizzyjones  +   1152d ago
If this is real....my word its a beast, an also will make a nice hub for cooking bacon.
SNEEKZ0NER  +   1152d ago
If that's how it's going to look it looks like an mybook external hdd.
Nes_Daze  +   1152d ago
This all seems really contradictory. Why would Nintendo offer such a powerful system, when their best bet is too offer a slightly more powerful system, with 1st party launch games all over again? do they really think that the userbase they gained with the Wii wants high specs???
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silvacrest  +   1152d ago
offering a slightly more powerful system would just mean they are even further behind the the next sony and MS console, they would have the price advantage but the motion control advantage would be gone, which was a MASSIVE plus for the wii

my opinion is, nintendo need a powerful console because there is nothing else they can really add to make standout
Nes_Daze  +   1152d ago
Nintendo has shown that a console doesn't need high quality graphics in order to sell. As for the motion control advantage, they would just have to build more into it. I think with the success of the Wii, they don't need a console that is more powerful than the xbox360, let alone the PS3.
silvacrest  +   1152d ago
nintendo didn't need high quality graphics with the wii because motion controls were a bigger draw then graphics, especially considering the target audience, that advantage is gone now, what else can they add? power

dont forget previous nintendo consoles were actually more powerful then its competitors, it would not be so hard to believe that project cafe could do that too
BeastlyRig  +   1152d ago
Quad Core 3.5Ghz

RAM – 512MB XDR2 DRAM (Main), 1024 GDDR5 VRAM (Video), 16MB eDRAM

they need to just make it at least 1gb XDR2 DRAM ..

It's about time 4 cores should be used!
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meganick  +   1152d ago
Agreed. I hope the system ends up having more RAM, but everything else looks good to me.
Raider69  +   1152d ago
Quad Core 3.5Ghz RAM – 512MB XDR2 DRAM (Main), 1024 GDDR5 VRAM (Video), 16MB eDRAM

Thats all nintendo needs to get a machine 3 to 4 times more powerful than the PS3 and 360.An since they will have 2 years of advantage over the next xbox and PS4 they are going to gain a large share of the market again.
Shaman  +   1152d ago
Actually I don't think they will...Its recession(still) and major games in first year,year and half will be ports on Wii 2 and won't give necessary leap forward.When exclusives star to roll,MS and Sony will already be there at the gates,with considerably faster machines,and THAN it will become nightmare for Nintendo(if they don't come up with something that will interest people other than more ram and better gpu).
Ju  +   1151d ago
I think that machine will last quite a while. It'll get Crysis or Uncharted2 level visuals at 1080p with steady 60fps I suppose. How far do you want to push it?
Armyntt  +   1151d ago
ju, sorry man but stop puttin crysis with UC2. UC2 is nice but not that nice. Different levels man.
Ju  +   1151d ago
You're right, actually. Crysis has nothing on UC2. I am talking console versions, of course. And if this will match the ultra high end PC is not up for debate. Doesn't really matter. Consoles will always be more efficient than PCs anyway (shitload of legacy crap there). We'll see.
Green_Ranger  +   1152d ago
Damn, thats almost as powerful as my dragonzord!
IRetrouk  +   1152d ago
screams like a little girl

i love you tommy!!!!!!
PygmelionHunter  +   1152d ago
+1 Internet
zeal0us  +   1152d ago
the ppl make crysis was saying every next gen console need at least 8gb of ram.....yeah they might be a little crazy b/c the price would be extremely high for each next console.
Optical_Matrix  +   1152d ago
Crytek must have been high when they said that. Next gen of consoles will have 2-4GB of RAM maximum. No more than that. Although considering this thing has 4 Cores, Nintendo seem to be bottlenecking themselves with that 512 MB of dedicated RAM. Doesn't seem nearly enough. In the end their games will most likely end up looking like PS3's best looking exclusives just running at higher frame rates and resolutions. No significant graphical upgrade. Who knows. Apart from that memory, the specs are beast.
Persistantthug  +   1152d ago
That 512 ram is XDR2
So that means the ram speed is gonna run in the neighborhood of 8 to 10GHz.

in comparison, the fastest ram you can buy now is DDR3 at 2.2GHz.

Consoles don't need the same ram as computers because the developers actually try optimizing what they have, and come up with far more efficient results.
ThrazN7  +   1152d ago
damn so ign specs were way off
death2smoochie  +   1152d ago
I can't see this being real. I would wait for confirmation from Nintendo themselves.
If in fact these are true specs, then you can bet your ass MS and Sony will move up their time line to release their systems because based on these UNOFFICIAL SPECIFICATIONS, it DESTROYS the Xbox360 and PS3 based on bandwidth alone.
This new Wii would be able to run all games at 1080p above 30fps with a DX10+ capable GPUand use real Anti-Aliasing...Something the PS3 and Xbox360 can never do.
MS and Sony has hinted a 2013-2014 release date for their next systems...
That gives Nintendo 2-3 years all by themselves in the high end game....I can't see MS or Sony letting this happen for that long to be honest....

But if Nintendo releases this console this year, i guess we won't be hearing the whining from people stating how a certain console is so powerful LOL
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Armadilo  +   1152d ago
If this is real and Nintendo uses bluray then for every wii HD they sell they will have to pay Sony money
Raven_Nomad  +   1152d ago
Sony already owns a patent on DVD drive components, so it's not really that big a deal.

It's the same with Microsoft owning Skype, I am sure Sony will have to pay to use it.

Same with Drop in drop out co op games, that is patented by MS.

Everything works out.
Series_IIa  +   1152d ago
Why?

It's the BDA who licences and runs the Blu-Ray tech and the BDA is a large consortium NOT just Sony.
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Armyntt  +   1151d ago
Series nailed on the head. Sony of course is gonna get some money from BR but so will like 50 other companies.
Raven_Nomad  +   1152d ago
Well Nintendo always kind of did their own thing when it suited them. I am going to say these specs are real. I also think when Microsoft and Sony do release new consoles they will probably only be on par with the Nintendo specs.

I know everyone is thinking Nintendo doesn't normally go for power, but the Gamecube and N64 were both powerful.

Maybe they are looking to reclaim their hardcore title as well as overall sales title.
IRetrouk  +   1152d ago
i honestly think that the next xbox n ps will wipe the floor with this thing, infact you can hold me to it.

@amilio

either way the ps4 and xbox 3 will release after the cafe will they not? so assuming they do it would be silly to think that they would not be more powerfull, and what the hell does smh mean? jeez man
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amilio  +   1152d ago
LOL we dont even knw if that the real specs we will only knw when E3 arrives. jeez man. smh
amilio  +   1152d ago
that doesnt say anything. because the gamecube at that gen was the 1st console to release and it was more powerful than both consoles. releasing something doesn't mean its goin to be more powerful. it how u use the tech is what counts. and nintendo knws how to do that. just look at mario galaxy and kirby epic yarn
jack who  +   1152d ago
too good to believe way too good
Raendom  +   1152d ago
Dunno my specs too well, but is that VRAM on a seperate chip to that "RV770" (which I've never heard of)?
Shok  +   1152d ago
I'm not going to decide on anything. E3 is only ONE week away so I think we can all wait and stop speculating for now.
sayonara89  +   1152d ago
60% fake IMO, but if this is true than console destroys PS360. Rumors form most reliable source (french webside that leaked NGP specs + Game Informer and Digital Foundry) ae telling that console is just slighty more powerfull than 360 so... no.

IGN is saying that it's much more powerfull but IGN was also wery wrong about 3DS specs.
kmanmx  +   1152d ago
I'm going to say fake. I can't see an official document using the '@" symbol when describing the CPU clock.

I hope it is real, but i doubt it.
Shackdaddy836  +   1152d ago
That's what everyone uses for clock speed... I've never seen any company use "at" instead of "@" when describing clock speed...
kmanmx  +   1152d ago
Really ? I just took a random sample of Intels website, Apples website, and Alienwares. None of them use the @ sign.
ChickeyCantor  +   1151d ago
Thats because most people don't know how to read the @.

This is meant for Developers
etowntwo  +   1152d ago
ill buy this on day one for sure.

And ms and Sony shouldn't wait too long to release their next gen consoles.
Any hardcore gamer should and probably will be buying it too .... Especially when multiplats start looking way superior on Project Cafe (1080p/60fps/4xAA) compared to ps3/360 ..... and MS and Sony not releasing details as to when their next gen console will release.
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shinrock  +   1152d ago
i call BS. when have you ever seen nintendo to use any disk format but there own. NEVER! they will not want to put up the lic fees. if he had left out the blu ray part i might have fell for it.
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LoaMcLoa  +   1151d ago
You do realise that Wii uses DVD-discs, right?
RyuCloudStrife  +   1152d ago
holy macaroni
I need to see some video games run on this monster
NYC_Gamer  +   1152d ago
i'll only buy this console if.....

1)real facial expressions/body movement on characters
2)sold textures&framerate
3)fully voiced characters
4)real online
5)3rd party support
5)option to use hard drives
6)HD graphics
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Rahim92  +   1152d ago
But what's the use of those specs when Nintendo is still gonna continue making casual games ?

I mean think about it... hardcore games usually have realism, graphics, etc. Whats the use of this if we're still gonna continue playing Mario ?
Kee  +   1152d ago
They are pretty impressive specs but yeah, I know what you mean.

No use buying a console just for that one mario or zelda game (with cell-shading) you're gonna enjoy.
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silvacrest  +   1152d ago
maybe the multiplats will take advantage of the power
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iamnsuperman  +   1152d ago
this is kinda opposite of other leaked specs (8GB hard drive and similar things). I call fake on all. Wait for E3

edit: "custom Blu ray disk" isn't blu ray a trademarked product
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CNXN  +   1152d ago
Just give me Super Smash and im happy...
TABSF  +   1152d ago
Well I'm really confused to see why people would think this is expensive.

That GPU is almost 3 years old, its gone from a 55nm to 32nm (if true) which means its cheaper to manufacture.
Everything but the CPU has been around for a few years if not more. I'm calling $300 or less for launch.

Also not sure if anyone else has picked up on this but that Quad Core is hyper-threaded, its 4 Cores 8 Threads.

If the spec of this system is 100% true Microsoft and Sony need to move fast.

* PS3 total system performance 218 Gflop/s
* 360 total system performance 115 Gflop/s
* NPC total system performance 1574 Gflop/s
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theonlylolking  +   1152d ago
I agree
These peeps see a bunch of numbers and fancy names and instantly think this is expensive.

Whats expensive is this:

motherboard: ASRock P67 Extreme4 LGA 1155, Intel P67 chipset

Cpu:IntelCorei7-2600K: 3.4 GHz-3.8 GHz, 8 MB Cache

CPU cooler:Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus

GPU: 2 x XFX HD-695A-CNFC: Radeon HD 6950 2 GB, CrossFire

optical drive:Lite-On iHBS212 BD-RE: 12x BD-R, 16x DVD±R, 48x CD-R

RAM:24GB (4GBx6) DDR3/1600MHz Triple Channel Memory Module

hard drive:1TB SATA-III 6.0Gb/s 32MB Cache 7200RPM HDD
Juggalo  +   1151d ago
Correction:

The 1155 socket supports Dual Channel memory not Triple :p
Peaceful_Jelly  +   1151d ago
@TABSF but those 1574 Gflop/s are from the GPU. GPU always does more Gflop at a time than a CPU but GPU's are too slow...

What do you think is gonna produce more Gflop/s:

a CPU running at 3.2GHZ per 218 Gflop/s or
a GPU running at 700mhz per 1574 Gflop/s ?

Obviously the CPU will beat the GPU in calculations per second at that speed. That's why we use CPU for calculations and GPU to render visual stuff. If GPU's were as fast as a CPU while still maintaining its ability to render visuals we wouldn't need CPU's anymore. I mean, can you even imagine a chip with 800 stream processors all of them running at 3.2GHZ? That amount of calculations per second would change the way we live. Stuff like the cure of Cancer would be at the tip of our fingers! =p

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@theonlylolking here we are talking about customized specs for consoles not PC. Try to make a PC with a CELL CPU that is even faster than the most powerful current core i7 and ram as fast as XDR2 man. Why do you think current gen consoles games are still comparable to PC games even though the PS3 has a GPU that is just as powerful as an Intel HD integrated card? Why do you think that MACs are comparable to PC in performance even though they only have like half the specs? This is due to 2 things. Customized parts and optimizations, the PC environment is too open for that. A MAC laptop with the same specs as a PC laptop is not only faster but also its battery life can last almost 4 times longer...
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gcolley  +   1152d ago
i call shenanigans
jay2  +   1152d ago
Well thats MS holding to companies back yet again with their out date disc format which if they'd played their cards right I'd said about my console of choice (as in all 360's had HDDVD drives in).
death2smoochie  +   1152d ago
We all have to wait and see come E3...
If these specs are true, then it makes the PS3 and Xbox360 cry...
This will have Shader Model 4.0+ support. Tessellation support. FAR GREATER BANDWIDTH just to name a few things off the top of my head. Multiplatform games alone on this console not even considering exclusive games (if developers try) will make the PS3 and Xbox360 versions look like doo doo.
Full 1080p resolutions with real AA+HDR at higher floating point precession.
It's a wait and see game as of now until Nintendo confirms OR denies this
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