The first review of Alice: Madness Returns from OPM is here, and the magazine has delivered a harsh verdict.
I can't say I didn't see that coming. I reckon the game will get between 58 and 72 on metacritic
Although most of the review is harsh, it does contain a couple of positive remarks. The writer made note of the title’s ambitious nature and enjoyed its psycological element. However, in the end, OPM gave the title a disappointing 5/10 score. Damn, I was looking forward to this. Oh well...
If you were looking forward to it then why would 1 review or even a number of reviews change your mind? If you've played the first Alice and enjoyed it I'm sure you'll enjoy this one. I too am looking forward to it as I loved the first one and no review from someone I don't know is going to change my mind.
If you were really looking forward to it, then you wouldn't let someone else's opinion influence you. Reviews are nothing more than opinions, don't ever take them as the "truth". The reviewer could favor games like final fantasy 14 for all we know.
While I find it commendable that some people do not let reviews influence their purchases, I myself have been burnt when I exercise that particular practice. Sometimes (most times) the games are really as bad as the reviews suggest. My advice is find a reviewer with the same tastes as you and stick with him/her or you'll end up buying Spider-man 3 and Raging Blast 2 and getting sorely disappointed
Please don't let review tell you what game you should play. The only thing review influence for me is if its a day one buy or wait for a deal to get it. So instead of paying 60$ for it just wait until you can get it cheaper and i am sure you will love the game the same or even more that way.
Why would you just lose interest in a game due to a review score, (aka someone's opinion), of a game??? If I did that for every game I've played, half of them I would of never touched. I can't believe people actually let a review determine if they get the game or not. What happen to the days when we thought for ourselves?
I thought of renting it but I wont get downloadable Alice 1 that way. Will need to buy new copy
Uhm guys. When a game gets a 5/10 its usually crap. Basing something on only one review is not the best idea but not basing your purchase on reviews at all is just stupid. When games score low it is for a reason, and its not because the reviewer has slightly different taste then you. In most cases its because the game sucks "I can't believe people actually let a review determine if they get the game or not. What happen to the days when we thought for ourselves?" I dont think anything has happened to that. I for example chose to buy some games that score 8-9/10 but other games scoring the same or better i might not buy because its not the game im interested in buying. Thats me thinking for myself. However i do not get to play the entire game before i decide to purchase it. A reviewer does. I can get an idea of how a game plays and of the quality of the game by watching videos of it, however there is no way for me to know. If reviewers play the game and finds it buggy, repetetive, short, bad story etc etc then i would be stupid not to listen
yeah and they gave Bayonetta 9/10... harsh you say.... ;)
I remember Way Of The Samurai 3 getting low reviews, but it's fucking awesome, despite the terrible graphics.
@ZombieAssassin Simple: because money doesn't grows on trees, and it is in fact, pretty much scarce, especially in regards to videogames, which is a very expensive hobby -- and can get out of control with the abundance of great games coming out every month. Some people DO have money enough to expend blindly, taking chances. Others don’t (and those need the aid of reviewers before deciding on how to better expend their money). Both deserves respect, and questioning what do they choose to get or pass, is distasteful, to say the least. EDIT: @SuperM "Well said" bubbles to you, mate! :)
If you are interested in it you should buy it anyways but for OPM to give the game a low score the game must be pretty bad! OPM are pretty liberal in their scoring, I've been getting OPM/PSM for years...
If it got maybe a 7 or 8, I'd be well up for giving it a try. But if history has proved me anything most (all) games that score under 6, are pretty dang rubbish. OPM are generally a pretty credible source, who don't just give out harsh scores for the sake of it. I really liked McGee's Alice when it came out, but games have moved on.
Here's a problem with today's readers and game reviewers. The curve has been pushed so far up that 7 is considered to be garbage when in actuality it really means "good". 5/10 means "mediocre." Not broken, not terrible, just average. Yes yes I know how percentages work on high schools tests and college exams but that's not how it works here. 5 is just average. Concerning how much we should consider reviews I think that we do have to take them into some consideration given how expensive they are but ultimately you have to decide for yourself. If you see a game get a low review average on metacritic but still really want it, why not buy it? you could also do some research: rent it, watch gameplay videos on youtube, check out message boards, etc. There's an abundance of information out there for free. We have fewer and fewer excuses to not be informed on something. Review scores will never be the be all and end all of information on video games and should not be treated as such (especially only one review).
in my opinion, it just sucks to be opm. this looks to be a fantastic game. if opm didnt like it, all that means is that they missed out.
OP tends to be very easy reviewers, so if they give the game a 5/10 i bet the game is pretty bad.
That explains everything! No wonder the review score system seems so broken; it is based on American grading system! Everywhere else in the world 5/10 is average!
According to my scale: 10 - Unrealistic 9 - Excellent 8 - Very good 7 - Good 6 - Mediocre 5 - Crap 4 - Crap 3 - Crap 2 - Crap 1 - Crap
@ Snipes101 5/10 for a game basically means crap. Unless you are hitting a baseball or shooting a basketball a .500 score is failing and terrible. A 7/10 means the game is good or average for its genre and as the game gets better you get into the 8's and 9's and very few games are real 10's. I've been gaming for a long time and if a game gets even a 6/10 there is reason for concern. Not saying I haven't liked a 5 or 6 rated game but that is usually because I'm a fan of the genre or story, but the majority of the community would think the game is crap. If 5/10 is average for you then there really haven't been any bad games this gen on PS3 or 360.
Still gonna buy it, dont really care. im buying it for the story more than anything, and based off what i have seen it will suit me nicely.
reviews said that KAL2:Dog Days suck hard but i really liked that game
58 and 72, huh?
How would you figure when the first one scored an 85 on metacritic? http://www.metacritic.com/g... With the best review/s being 10/10 or 5/5 and the worst being a 73...? I would have guessed this would be an excelent title. The first one was great and the fact that this one comes with number 1 packed in the box is reason enough to buy it simply because buying number 1 atm is not only difficult but impossible for a decent price. This is still going to be a day one for me.
The worst was 50, try looking at the reviews rather than the 3 example reviews. I reckon that it won't be as well received as the original seeing as it's 10 years on and not much seems to have changed in terms of appearance.
Nah I'm thinking it's going to be more in the lines of 0-100.
I wouldn't be quick to judge. OXM gave Dead Space 1 a 6/10, and that game ended to get a 89 on metacritic. Assassins Creed 2 also was given 4.5/10 on Destructoid. Homefront was given plenty of 9/10, and 8/10 and we see how that turned out. Let's just wait, eh?
Let's not forget about the Kane & Lynch 2 review either! It got a 9/10 in OXM UK and was being harold as a goty contender...a week later it's ends up with a low 60 on metacritic. It's just 1 review. Call me when there's 100+ on metacritic.
Wasn't there a controversy with Gamespot firing a reviewer because he only gave Kane & Lynch a 6 out of 10 when the publishers were paying the website a load of money to advertise the game? Reviews aren't the most important thing to check when deciding to buy a game or not. What surprises me is that this is the first review. In today's world of review embargoes, we normally only hear about the 10s and 9s first, before the others filter through.
Good, hopefully this will be the last game about Alice in Wonderland (wtf?)
Yeah, because god knows we need less games like Alice in Wonderland, and more games like battlefield, or modern warfare, with generic dudebro guys with muscles the size of king kong.....yeah crazy people, pffttt...
Woops my bad, you are correct. For some reason i always thought those were the best, middle and worst reviews. Learn something new every day :D
@ people saying don't let reviews influence you. I'd agree to an extent. Just that I'm not so much disagreeing but it seems that your only giving half the idea behind not letting the review persuade you. Your saying not to let it sway your decision I'd agree with that but also consider the review more so a general guide on how your going to see the game. Say everyone goes in a new game with a base of what they believe the game should have going for it. We can all agree a crappy control scheme can really hamper a game. Visuals to some degree as well. But then we get into nuances like story, upgrades, replay value that sort of thing. So take the review as looking for certain quality. A 7-10 is about what your looking for. 6's are acceptable in those rare niche times. But let's be honest would any of you try to finish a game that's 5/10. Given that say the problem is controls or puzzle problems ie missing platforms. I'd like to think not, or at the least it would then frustrate you after you've tried it for a bit. You then would not turn around and tell your friend its okay to buy the game. You'd tell them what you thought the game had going for it and why. So making a blanket statement is a little bit premature. Rather perhaps branch it out a bit, and say some reviews are worth hearing out based on reviewer credibility. Just my opinion though. V/R
its not a shooter dont rate it like one alice is a oldschol hard plaformer at its core with combat mechanics to make it harder play the first one if you dont like that you wont like this
but I had really high expectations from this game. I'll still honour my pre order and see for myself how it is.
i'd say gamefly it. or rather wait a bit for the price to go down.
How dare they not make the platforming "Press X to win", huh, OPM?
Bah. I played this game for a couple of hours at a preview event, and Official PlayStation Magazine can go bite the big one. They're wrong.
:) That's good to hear mate.
Not about right vs wrong. Remember opinions? Yeah....those things. Every reviewer has one. Some people hate Half-Life and I don't know how that is possible but it is. Update: My opinions are hated as well.
@AKissFromDaddy I totally get your point. Not a lot of people seem to think that way, not that I'm hating on them. @speakindatruth You never quit do you man? Burn in hell? Really?
@Jack-H: Hey, you can't talk. You blocked me for being right :) EDIT: Yeah, it shows me that. I can probably expect one of those -- *ahem* -- "dis-LIEKZ" -- to be from you, eh?
thanks for saying this, makes me feel all the better. Cheers!
who ever wrote this should be shot.....Alice was amazing so long ago and will hold up to its name
That's how you lose bubbles man. Edit while you can.
That comment defines fanboyism Edit: what I mean is that you have no idea how the game plays yet you are defending it against someone who (if OPM has any integrity) has played it extensively. Suggesting he should be killed for unfavourably reviewing a game you are interested in is a major hallmark of the fanboy.
@Rybakov Sooooooooooooooo, you don't want bubbles?
Is that anime dude(knocks on wood) who replied to you for real? You make a totally valid point(imo) and he replies with "go back to call of dootie cockfag" ... I've seen him on a couple of other pages. He is absolutely insane.
Some of you may disagree with this review but, bare in mind two things, they've played the game, you haven't and it's just an opinion. It also wouldn't be the first game to have awful platforming sections.
You know I'd wager it will get around 5-7's. I agree completely with your post btw. Spoken respectfully and to the point.
Well, fair point Thom and equating it to OPM(if it's OPM UK anyway)I have to say that their writers' opinions are usually backed up pretty well by in game evidence and not just summoned from the ether like reviews and scores at some mags and sites. They rarely hand out 10/10 just because a game's a Sony published IP and equally rarely have a reviewer mark a game down for being a bit hard(can remember just once when I thought that the case but can't think WHICH game it was as it was a bit ago)OR for being a little easy as they realise that it takes all sorts. Ultimately, though, the reviewer can only tell as he/she sees it and if it's not what you were hoping for then look around and see if it's the consensus. Personally there's fewer platform specific sites I hold issue with(or mags natch)than those covering multiple platforms this gen which has, on their side, been a refreshing surprise. Both Xbox and PS sites/mags tend to be pretty fair to their multiplats and hard enough on exclusives to claim a good degree of cred. Were I to take a writted review seriously without knowing the writer I'd be tempted to take one of OPM uKs on more occasions than most other sites or magazines. I'm interested to see how this game does elsewhere as I quite liked the original Alice game and hoped this would update it nicely but the gameplay vids did have me a little worried with what I thought to be pretty poor animations and a main character in Alice who moves like she's got a broomstick up her bum. Maybe it just doesn't do justice to it's legacy-we shall see but i'm not prepared to rubbish this review from a source I feel has some credibility especially not when I've never seen enough or nearly played enough to have any true opinions just yet.
He said dootie LOL
I also thought that was LOL! xD
It's from American McGee. I didn't expect much.
wow didn't expect to get that low of a score. i was thinking more of a line of 6.5 lol
Great this gen i have enjoyed more low scoring games than high blockbusters to a point that if the game is higher than 8 out of ten im suspicious.
Alice looks hot.
I don't know. A part me was sort of expecting this. Yet an optimistic part of me is still saying wait it out, it's just 1 review. I mean, c'mon let's not forget the whole dead space 1 oxm fiasco (they gave it a 6/10 and trashed the game pretty badly). So 1 review means as much as 1 piece of hay in a hay stack :/ Will wait for at least 10+ reviews before I make an EDUCATED opinion. Till then....I'm simply everywhere, and no where,
This game is gonna be so scary I may poop my pants!
huh? well the picture of alice is pretty awesome 10/10
Hmmmmm..................(goes back to playing god of war).
awww.. i was planning to get this game. )):
The same magazine which gave Driver 3 a 9/10...
LOL! I didnt know that.... kinda sad actually :/
Fuck that, I'm still buying it! Reviewers hated Killer 7, I loved it.
her face in that picture resembles the mask of V.
in no way suggests that it deserves such a mediocre score from a publication. I'd be very surprised if 5/10 ends up being the heavy consensus. I predict that scores will be all over the place.
Strange i hope some other reviews will be more... accurate