The PS3 version of Blacksite: Area 51 is experiencing technical issues and missed deadlines. Midway is apparently unhappy with these issues. The PS3 demo and launch will likely end up being delayed as a result.
This should be good.
I'm starting to not even care about stuff like this. It's coming out. Get it right. Delay the game if you have to. I don't care simply because, the PS3 is now starting to have a nice little game selection to keep me busy. 2008 is going to have most of my money tied up already on other titles.
This is going to turn into some recockulous thread. Everyone put on your flame retardant suits ... you're going to need em'.
I hate to say it but, Im really starting to think the PS3 is a piece of crap. This is insane, why is a supposedly more powerful console getting everything so much later, the power of the cell is useless for games, no way in hel i would by this thing right now.
Sure all you sony appologists will say you didnt want Area 51 in the first place, but to be honest that is besides the point, the point that PS3 is crap to develop for, and this WILL hurt it in the end.
Disagreeing with you, once you own one you'll most certainly know it's not a piece of crap. That and developers are now learning that their old porting tricks are not working now with the PS3. THAT'S where the delays are coming in, if you've noticed games that are solely created for the PS3 have usually been on time.
they should put voice chat with this game
"why is a supposedly more powerful console"
Supposedly is the operative word there. The two machines are roughly equal powered, inspite of Sony's usual space-age-4D BS marketing.
What did IGN's hardware comparison conclude?
"CONCLUSION: When you break down the numbers, Xbox 360 has provably more performance than PS3. Keep in mind that Sony has a track record of over promising and under delivering on technical performance. The truth is that both systems pack a lot of power for high definition games and entertainment."
UT3 has been the only delayed game so far that has even had me interested...its funny how most of the time the games that get delayed are from companies in financial trouble (in this case Midway...two of their games being stranglehold and now Blacksite...)
they announced last week that the PS3 version has a crap online system...and stranglehold is just now coming out...
UT3 I am looking forward to...get it right before relase, and I will buy it whenever...stranglehold?...gam e is garbage...keep it...Blacksite...appears to be ditto, but don't know for sure...
Orangebox I hope turns out ok too...thats rumored to be out early in november finally for the PS3 I thought...have only played Half Life 2 back in 2004 on a pc...so the orangebox is an incredible deal for me...but its already been cofirmed to not be fully optimized (not using any SPEs for it...w/e)...so it may end up being pretty weak...the decision to pawn off the PS3 port was made more or less by Gabe Newell...and pretty much all of us know how hard it is to make him happy...
but it doesn't matter...Uncharted is one of the best looking games ever made...this is far from an issue of the PS3 not being able to do it...its just time and money for struggling publishers that they simply can't come up with...
fair enough...that interview a few weeks back had Gabe saying EA would have the PS3 version out within the first few weeks of Nov...I guess that was either not true,or has been changed since...
Sorry but the OrangeBox for the PS3 doesn't comes out until December (12 December I think is the date)
maybe if they delay it (like they should) they can fully implement all the internet gameplay that is supposedly lacking in the PS3 version but included in the 360.
IT IS BETTER TO DELAY A GAME TO GET IT RIGHT THAN TO SHOVE IT OUT THE DOOR BEFORE IT IS READY!!!!! QUALITY IS ALWAYS BETTER THAN SHELF DATE!!!
All I see are poor reviews, sales, ports and framerates.
to Jason xg1:
poor reviews: ratchet and clank review average 9-10
poor sales: outsells x360 in europe and japan;
framerates issues: Halo3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Agree with what you say fenderputty.
I was browsing through all the Blu-ray movies and PS3 games that I want to buy from now and to the end of 2007, I found that I really need to use a lot of money. I have no problem with the delays anymore, there are enough good games and movies to keep me busy and broke for a long time. :)
I'm beating a dead horse!
Thing is, despite it being sadly delayed, even if it wasn't delayed no one would really care considering the games that are coming out. It's like Fatal Inertia being delayed the week before September 25th. Who would really care?
but Blacksite's success will also depend on its review scores RELATIVE to the other competition. Meaning, if the game achieves a score of 8.5+, while say Assassins Creed garners 7.5 reviews (not going to happen)- hardcore gamers may opt for the higher reviewed game.
All in all, I don't think the verdict is out on Black site just yet. From the videos I've watched, the game has fair potential. In fact, I am predicting solid reviews scores- so if any AAA title drops the ball... titles like Turok or Blacksite will be waiting to take its place.
If you haven't guessed already, I played the original Area 51, and still have faith in Midway to deliver.
i really don't care. the 360 demo sucked major a$$ and there are enough better PS3 games coming out this year and 2008.
Blacksite .. the 360 is made for you.
No new 360 news to trash eh?... funny you guys even spam up your own articles without any xbox fan in here talking smack. Just sad.
No voice chat online= no buy for me!
must be smoking some serious rock to think that we will buy the PS3 version of a multiplat gimped on features.
may blacksite die a horrible death as the third rate game that it is.
The PS3's capabilities are proven, now it just makes developers look inadequate vs the system.
Lets hope they take time and call Insomniac or Ubisoft.
So I guess due to the Disagrees Insomniac,Ubisoft, And Incognito cant make hd games running at fluid stable framerates for the ps3. My mistake.
or are you going too deny there are any such problems?
11.1 did you even read what he said?...1st party content never has framerate issues...Warhawk...none...ever ...HS...1000's of independently moving enemies on screen at once...no problems...Resistance....never has any framerate problems, as true with R&C...its ports that have framerate issues...he was only saying that the PS3 has been proven to be able to do some incredible things through 1st party content...and there is no denying that...FEAR has a horrid framerate on the PS3, but do you think thats because it can't handle it?
both consoles have some games that have framerate issues...a certain high profile recent game has framerate issues even with a static 640p buffer...its not just the PS3 that has framerate problems...
What about Lair??? Lair has horrid framerate problems. And your wrong about HS...it does have noticeable framerate issues also.
It's all clear now. The unreal engine is crap. As I said before, its not the PS3 or the 360. It's the crap engines that hinders game evolution. Im sorry to say that the 360 is stuck in this mess. I think the PS3 exlusive devs has already spotted the problem and are using better engines. Skip the old engines and let something new happen. Stopp dissing PS3 games saying its the PS3 hardwares fault and see it for what it is, sofware engine problems.
I knew 360 fans would missunderstand me. Im not saying that the 360 sucks I am saying that 360 games has got similar problems with framerates. But no one admits it. Never before have devs had consoles with this tremendous power. I mean multi processing. Lots of memory, harddrives. And still they complain and moan about the hardware. Shut up. Start bringing in some next gen ports instead lazy aholes.
Edit: Sorry, I got a little annoyed. I dont think that devs in general are lazy I take it back. Still there are some problems they have to sort out.
[sarcasm] Yes, because Sony did nothing wrong. All the game delays and the developers' complaints about the PS3 being hard to program for are all FUD. Damm those unloyal, lazy developers. Sony created the Jesus Christ of videogaming and they are struggling with it. They are not worthy of Sony and its fans. [/sarcasm]
you don't even know how right you are, i worked on a game, that ran on UE3, there were many problems with it during the whole development, and one of the programmers working with the optimizations said to me, that's the engine wasn't build for the PS3 but for PC/Xbox360 mainly... therefor the problems with all the UE3 PS3 based games. And i can tell you, every programmer cursed the developers of UE3, cause it's so unstable and buggy. UnrealTournament3 is a exception, but they had the full support of UE3 engineers and are enjoying it even now but other game developers came short with the support lately.
would have to disagree with U the unreal engine is not the problem worked just fine for Gears of War and the 360 is not having frame rate issues ie. NCAA 08 60 FPS, MADDEN 08 60 FPS. MOTORSTORM was suppose to run @ 60FPS in 1080p but the DEV. could not get it to do that so they went for 30fps in 720p please explain this for me.
are the ones trying to use unreal engine 3 on 360 and trying to port the code to ps3.x-tremists know this.
we have seen ports by EA that obviously don't take advantage of ps3.and their lack of experience with cell shows us as well.their early 360 code wasn't all that either.
but when you see games built from the ground up,those games don't have these issues of big delays.
the devs making too human may have been right about EPIC and the poor engine they sent out to everyone else but had the updated code to make games like gears of war for themselves.
ALL sony made games aren't having these issues.ALL second party games aren't having these issues.konami and hideo kojima aren't having these issues with MGS4.
USING UNREAL FROM 360 TO PS3 WILL CONTINUE TO BE A HEADACHE FOR LAZY DEVS THINKING CELL WORKS THE SAME WAY.
Don't rant dude. you sound desperate.
UT3 is being developed first on ps3.
Stop blaming the 360 for your PS3 problems
stop blaming developers
stop blaming altogether.
oh and by the way... FIFA 08 was developed on the PS3 first. and then ported to the 360. Guess which version runs more smoothly?
uh-huh.. it aint the PS3.
i know i know... you don't care. Just put your head back in the sand and press 'disagree' like always.
"UT3 is being developed first on ps3.
Stop blaming the 360 for your PS3 problems
stop blaming developers
stop blaming altogether. "
Haha everything is always NOT, I repeat not Sony's fault, Sony is god of gaming and is your father so respect them. MS pays all review sites.[end sarcasm]
When is it going to stop the whining of REVIEWS, BLAMING of DEVELOPERS?
Don't forget this list
- The Sony PS3tard Excuse list posted a while back[forgot who]
"I hate EA" (and UBI, Activision, Capcom, id, Epic, and 2K)
"EA is MS's b!tch"
"Just wait till 08"
"just wait till 09"
"ring of death"
"EA can't make good games" (Battlefild, most sports titles, Burnout, The Sims and upcomming Crysis and Army of Two)
"f**k Peter Moore"
FIFA 08 runs like melted butter on the PS3.....idiot.
PS3 Fifa 08 does indeed run with framerate issues.
THe framerate is worse than 360.
Just stating facts, sofaking. I know, i know... you prefer wishful thinking...
I can't believe you called me an idiot just for stating accurate facts.
If you are looking for an idiot then take a look in the mirror maybe...
Do some research, buddy. you will find i am right. And then you can apologise to me.
Epic need to send all developers their beefed up PS3 UE3 that their using for UT3.
In case you didn't know, Epic is having all sorts of trouble with the UE on the PS3. That's part of the reason why UT3 is coming out on PC before PS3.
Wake up fanboys!!!
kinda like SK said. EPIC is having a great time with this. Looks like PS3 is having issues with it.
Sony designed a terrible machine. Face it. A good design would mean that developers would be able to use it.
Microsoft considers developers customers (good thinking eh!?) and designed the system with the ability for the Devs to be able to create with it.
we know already, PS3 is a different monster while XBOX 360 and PC are the same and basic.
8th December 2004, by Paul, 372 words, 219 views
Categories: Gaming, Technology
We all heard the talk, that the Cell processor would wipe away all before it. Of course anyone with any knowledge of this kind of technology would see it for what it is, more Sony bullshit. Remember the PS2?
1000 times the power of any PC. 66Gb/s of memory bandwidth. Toy Story graphics in real time. And such & such.
The same kind of outrageous claims were made with this Cell processor which is developed by IBM, Toshiba, and Sony. They claim this to be completely "revolutionary". It's not you can clearly see it's relation to the Playstation 2's processor. In that it's basically lots of weak processors bolted together, the fundamental reason the Playstation 2 is so insanely difficult to develop for and why developers are dropping it and shifting focus to the Microsoft Xbox 360. Which like all Microsoft platforms is notoriously fast and simple to develop for. Allowing developers to spend more time creating decent games instead of struggling to try and get their software to even work.
Just days ago the official press release about this Cell thing was released. The Sony fanboys started cheering, I guess they just never learn do they - and what should happen just yesterday? nVidia released a statement saying their graphics processors would feature in the Playstation 3 and other Sony products.
What happened to the mighty Cell? Sony now have to back-off saying the Cell is all mighty, and require a seperate GPU to handle graphics, yes it's 1000 times more powerful then any PC today, right that's why it can't perform GPU-like operations on it. They need a PC manufacturer to remotely stand a chance of coming up with a better graphics processor then their extremely lacking PS2. The hypocracy! Just a few years ago they were blasting the Xbox because of it using PC hardware, it featured an nVidia NV2A chip (which at the time they seemed to think was a bad thing). Of course nVidia have since been replaced by ATi, as the performance/quality graphics leader of the PC market, ATi winning the contract to develop the GPU for the Xbox 2, which they have now completed.
Sony are still lagging behind. Good luck with your Playstation 3, you're going to need it.
the only thing that matters is the NPD and PS3 is getting it's brains blown out. We all saw that in September.
It doesn't matter how poweful the cell is or not. People don't even care about that when they buy a console.
the slew of good games coming out in the next couple months along with 2008 big guns leave me wonering why you wish me luck at all.
WTF is your whole rant about the cell for? Could you not hold back your biased opinion any longer? Obviously thing work on the PS3 and we're starting to see that clearly ... just because UE3 has a harder time working justifies your obnoxiously long post?
i could punch you in the face bloodmask.
brings a fair point about THIRD-PARTY support. At this rate, the PS3 is set to become a second priority for the majority of TPDs. This is especially true when considering the relatively higher sales of 360 mulit-plat games compared to it's PS3 counterpart.
That's not to say, situations won't change! As developers become more proficient with next-gen hardware, PS could still reemerge as the platform of choice for TPDs, just as it was last generation.
As of now, however, I expect third party support for PS3 games to wane a little bit. Thankfully, that does not include huge titles like MGS4 or Killzone.
Seriously Bloodmask, are you that naive?
LMAO! I can't believe you posted a blog entry from December 2004, years before the PS3 was even out. Is your name Paul Smith?
Like you Xbox 360 guys like to say "If it isn't made for what it is going to do then it sucks at what it will do." Sorry, but that's true for this as well. CPU's and GPU's are just not comparable.
come November and December if $399 around the country doesn't help PS3 sales, then it's pretty much over for PS3.
the system has had enough chances, I mean, WTF almost 1 year now? Sheesh, whats takin so long sony?
Dude seriously, lol, wait for 2008, its gonna rox ur sox ;)
The 399 sku is probably Sony's last chance to make an impact. If this doesn't take off, then I don't know if Sony will be able to bounce back. As it is, Its a good price for what its offering, but its still in the hardcore price range. And I'm sure that most hardcore gamers are going to go for the 80 gig instead. Either way, it should be interesting to see how things turn out. There are plenty of games to play this time around, so if the PS3 doesn't sell now, then lack of games won't be the reason why.
the 360 and ps3 versions are plagued with bugs.. Because both are going to suck really bad anyway.. lol.. This game is going to be horrible.. a lot of sites arent impressed by what the 360 version is looking like and im not impressed by the game at all. it looks to be another fps game with a dumb story... So most likely they both will suck.. The next Jeicho game if you ask me..
and got to the part where your teammates "blow" the door open, I absolutely LAUGHED @ HOW PATHETIC THE EFFECTS WERE..
blacksite = third party garbage
Did you just make your day when you posted this? Did you lean back in you chair smile and say "I pwned them all" because for some reason i think that you think that Sony beat you up when you was little or slept with your girlfriend. Regardless of this or anyother negative Cell post you can find everyone knows that it is very capable of makin great games....that seems like an afterthought to you because all you seem concerned about is trashing it...if your not interested in anything ps3 why do you always comment on them. Me personally i have both and enjoy both so i comment positively on both. Just keep your XBOX will conquer the world crap to yourself.
I don't know who Paul Smith is, but his blog is a tad on the weird side.
Well that blog guy must have had a pretty good crystal ball because he is right about most of it and that was 3 years ago :)
Lol Bloodmask doesn't slept with his girlfriend but he slept with his boyfriend
PopEmUp - 13 Minutes ago
Lol Bloodmask doesn't slept with his girlfriend but he slept with his boyfriend
ummmm ENGLISH PLEASE...
What a dirtbag..
who cares about this game with all the huge games coming for the ps3
this is about UE3.not cell.because again:
cell crunches more numbers than 360 for games.
cell does raytracing,360 doesn't.
cell folds home.360 doesn't.
cell puts more on screen(GT5-1080p at 60fps with 16 cars)(forza2 and pgr4-720p,60 and 30fps with 8 cars)
cells in multiple ps3s can be linked together
cell allows remote play with psp
cell is used for astronomical research
cell is used for video and servers
360 processor-only for 360 because it can't do anything else.
trying to compare a console to pcs that obviously get better and better through upgrades is not a true comparison.and secondly,games that are on 360 look better on pc.seems 360 is out of date as well.
It looks as though most of you don't care and that's the problem. Most PS3 owners mention the same 5 games over and over. Third party games are failing to sell on the Playstation 3 (and 1st party too, no one bought Folklore). You guys don't go out and buy games. There and a good number of third party titles that will fail on PS3 and you guys are letting this happen. Third Party support isn't failing you, you are failing to support third parties.
Some third party games are not selling on PS3 its true, but thats because we're not stupid enough to buy lazy 360 ports. If devs want our money, they better make it run properly of forget any sales, and too many have done a shabby rush port job and given the PS3 a slack conversion. The games that shift better are first party developed titles that are actually programmed properly...
I bought 'Folklore' and and indeed have bought 12 Ps3 titles and am thouroughly enjoying them all. Admittidly I have many more 360 titles, but all those discs are silver :)
you bought every last game for 360.you bought ALL the third party games.third party companies love you.
i bought 11 games for ps3.we do buy games.but they have to be good.
secondly,we bought ps3s for sony games and a couple of third party games.just like nintendo fans buy nintendo systems for "nintendo games."
and third,we want games that push the evelope than just getting upgraded graphics over last gen.we want controllers that aren't just copies of the dual shock with just the analog stick offsetted.we want to be able to see all our media from anywhere in the world.something that other system can't do.
as for the topic,seems stranglehold has gone gone for ps3 and will be shipping soon.that uses unreal engine 3 and is produced by midway.one dev down,a couple more wining,complaining devs to go.
mag-lev shadow, yes! I've bough Just about every game from third party companies I love to show my support. I own a video game store. I can have whatever the hell I want. My post isn't targeted at the 10 of you have 15 games. It's targeted at the other 2 million that only own 1 game.
Some of us aren't rich enough to buy $200 worth of games every month. We probably saved a long time for a PS3 and don't get that much per month(if at all, I'm 13)
i wouldnt care if this game even made it to the ps3.. I wouldnt even rent this on my 360.. If they are having problems with this game on the ps3 they shouldnt even be able to develop games anymore.. This game looks horrible compared to every ps3 game out there..