Eurogamer: "Sony has confirmed that work on a "future platform" to follow the PS3 "is already under way". Sony's executive vice president and chief financial officer Masaru Kato made the revelation on a conference call to investors today. He was asked to explain increased research and development (R&D) costs."
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I'm gonna have to put some towels down when that happens...
it was rumored that when the ps3 finsihed up development, sony started looking at ways to take the cell and build a better system around it.
To think they havent been working on a newer system since the ps3 is foolish. MS has been working on a newer system as well.
The big question is predicting what the tech will need to be when the time is right for release. The base of the platform can pretty much be figured out with the speed of the cpu and amount of memory. It is making sure you have the right gpu and media format when that time comes.
I don't think that the PS4 will use the Cell as Sony sold of the rights to it a while back to either Toshiba or Samsung IMSMC.
they then bought it back just a little while ago.
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Sarcasm my friend.
Regardless of what kind of bullsh*t they feed us to get us to buy a console, they cannot let a competitor have an advantage!
Regardless of power, 360 and Ps3 will be viewed as old tech when Nintendo's next hits the market! It would be foolish to let Nintendo have a new, shiny, more powerful console on the market to compete with consoles people would have bought already if they really wanted to.
Regardless of fanboy, Ps3 and 360 will probably last for 10 years, but it will be more of the role the Ps1 and 2 played.
PC isn't even far ahead enough to call it "next-gen" (not a diss).
When we see a BIG difference(like the gap between PS1-->PS2 or PS2-->PS3) then I think next-gen will be ready.
But we're not there yet! The tech isn't far enough.
At least 2 more years.
I doubt 4 GB, but I am hoping for at least 2 GB.
About any GPU releasing in 2011 or 2010 is probably the most likely GPU set for this console. Well depending on which GPU goes towards this one. Right now its anybody's game. PowerVR 6 GPU looks like most likely since PSP 2 is sporting PowerVR 5 GPU.
Tell me something i don't know.
Of course you can have that dude, as long as you're willing to sell your car
EXACTLY this is common practice for sony and even nintendo.
This shouldnt be blown out of paportion as this still wont be shown for years yet. He said ten years it be ten years.
Sony take years in testing comming up with new ideas and testing products not forgetting getting the system once agreed to , to be patend.
We around half way there with ps3 i know we can go further with the system and with bluray that helps alot. With NGP it will easyly see us threw and beyond the launch of ps4.
The PS2 had a 10 year lifecycle, too, but that didn't stop them from introducing the PS3 halfway through it.
sony never stated ps2 would ever be a 10 year lifespan.
when i sated we wont be Shown a ps4 i meant it wont be launched b4 10 years. i stand by that
that doesnt mean to say they will out info or keep us posted with the new ps4 when its due time.
just not putting it onto the shelf.
i know the ps3 went out on sale while the ps2 still selling. thats plain to see just like the psx was still going when the launch of the ps2. why sony soo frikken good at what they do they still never forget them left on the shelf playing the old systems support is always there to some what.
There's no doubt that Sony meant the same with the PS3, they will continue to update and support the platform for 10+ years but will introduce the PS4 into the equation within the next 2 or 3 years I should think.
Honestly, when they said 10-year lifespan that's all they meant.
PS2 2000
PS3 2006/07
PS2 2012/13
Its a console every 6 year plan...
6 years is more than enough to notice a graphical leap...
Crysis came out in 06 and PS3 couldn't even run that on high!
I love my PS3 but if the PS4 can run games like Battlefield 3 in 1080p (and maybe even 3D) with a solid frame rate... and we have people like Naughty Dog Santa Monica GG and others making games that all look better than Uncharted 3 and Killzone 3... I would buy the PS4 tomorrow.
Nice troll, I mean, try. Working on new hardware has nothing to do with the online service, and you know it.
The big 3 work on the successor really quickly after releasing. It takes a lot of time, negotiation, and money to create new consoles.
I'm interested in what's next, but I don't really want to buy new hardware just yet.
but not in an specific form, separate departments might work on technology developement, some might end up being used on PS4, some on NGP and some not used at all
The new ninty device has nothing to do with the wii its a totally different demographic. Shovelware will continue printing money for them.
There is also no other way to get BC of ps3.
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Ever notice how ps3's get daisychained in order to do military stuff ever see the multi ps3 GT5 2K demo?
It was built to be expandable, why did they buy the cell plants? how else could you do BC with PS3 games!?! Seriously Bluray is the new standard and is upgradable right now in the ps3 to 70gb.
Think how cheap that add on would be to manufacture....
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Or you create an idiot box lite PC with a crappy 08 gpu and triple core cpu that was designed around the unreal engine and charge $400 for it clearly the n4g crowd will lap it up ffs.
@DeeZee
LOL a new machine is letting go of your userbase ffs come on, it means starting from scratch again...
if they release an upgrade to the ps3 and then a standalone PS4 that incorporates the additions that is a much stronger strategy. Sony make very little on hardware anyhow.
Entirely untrue, it needs a better GPU hands down, the CPU is a monster. Your claim is so ridiculous what do you expect people to just send in a PS3 and get a ram upgrade? You can't upgrade ram on a GPU, you have to build a whole NEW GPU. Consoles are not made to be updated and most likely never will be.
People pay best buy to setup online on PSN and XBL for them, you really think half the PS3 owners will have the brains to A.) know how to change ram or B.) actually know what they're sending it in for? It's not a PC it's not like dedicated slots on a motherboard.
Great idea though, I'm sure devs would love creating games for systems with varying amounts of ram. Or what, make it a MANDATORY upgrade? Sure, i'm sure a customer wants to hear "send me your PS3 or you'll never play a new PS3 game again, only old ones. "
Its not a pc, the ps3 is not designed like a pc.
He is talking about an external expansion, the GPU in the ps3 can literally be bypassed what part of that dont you understand!?
@davekaos
It looks likely, there are a few patents flying around about a machine that looks just like that.
The PS3 will live on, however, much as the PS2 has lived on during the PS3 lifecycle.
I always liked hardware upgrades because it allowed games to do new things. With everything that current games have, I don't see much more being added. There's no benefit to a ps4 at all besides super fancy graphics.
Now sony own the manufacturing rights to the cell this only means the cost of the ps3 will drop and im thinking $200 £150 to be announced at E3.
With that being said straight after that announcement i can see sony saying they will be making the ps4 with 2 cell's and updated GPU for a launch price of between $250 - $350 £200 -£300.
One can dream anyway
Why would that be the last thing sony would do???
They would not buy the chip out right just to stare at it. Also Devs are now starting to understand its architecture so that would mean developing for PS4 would be a breeze
I sort of agree with you there but when people see R&D (research and development) most would assume that means complete new system when infact sony could be reseaching how well 2 cells scale or developing a main bord that will allow 2 cells.
The only people that know is sony and what is above is just my guess because manufacuring costs will be lower on the cell which to me makes sense to add a second in ps4
As for your estimated ps4 price cost, yeah I'm laughing big time. I doubt Sony will touch the $600 mark again but will choose to go for $400 and $500 models.
"Expected, takes a while to get something like that made from start to finish."
Do you have proof to support this statement?
I think the only reason why you have that many "Agree"-ies is because the loyal PS3 users, who have read the article, may have felt that the development of PS4 would affect them as that would indicate that the PS3's life span is almost at an end. Similar to Adolf Hitler, you may have said what these loyal PS3 users want to hear; an indication or a statement for them that the PS3 is not coming to an end.
Anyway, I find your comment to be extremely ignorant.
incorrect; the release of PS3 when PS2 was still is the market did decline PS2's sales. http://vgsales.wikia.com/wi...
And read carefully, as I stated that the PS3's sales would "decline" not "stop".
Um... Duh. This isn't news.
@Freud Why are you still bringing that up that's a thing of the past just let it go already jeez.
Look to the future not the past nor left or right.
@Stephen i understand you're frustration i also got my MK codes to download but,ask you're self this do you want them to take they're time and make it safe or you want them to rush to put it up again so hackers can get at it again??
Imagin a game being around 80gb
huh? Disc space has nothing to do with the CPU/GPU
Ps4 on its way?
No shit I though sony was going to stand by as Nintendo and microsoft ... you know.
All joking aside its really good to hear that it is official.
And maybe they show us a little something at TGS?
Microsoft... what do you got?
dont care if it's $1200
but seriously though, anyone that's seen LA Noire on PS3 knows theres plenty of muscle left in the console.
EDIT: I also am 100% in agreement with Speakindatruth's post below.
wit that said i would love to see it come with 8GB XDR ram, 2 upgradeable SSHDDs, 2 cell processors and dual core gfx. The game possibilities would be virtually limitless on a beast with those specs.
Plus, with all the laggy framerates and low quality textures on consoles, it's got to happen soon. All the evidence points to this, considering games such as Skyrim, RaGE, BF3, MW3, Res3 and UC3 will be coming out this September through November, leaving no room for a new console. Knowing they need to keep up with PC graphics though (considering it's 5 years old), and actually announcing it, it's nice to see someone end this Cold War standoff of the generation 4 consoles.
And I never said they'd try to compete with PC graphics, I was basically trying to say PS3's graphics are quite outdated. 5 year old gpu is now an economy card in my macbook air.
...disagrees? wtf? Just mad that you've got to spend more on a new console in a year that will be more advanced? Or you read my argument wrong?
I mean yes, high end PC's are certainly better than Consoles, and most mid ends....but what about LOW END PC's and laptops?
Alot of "jump to conclusion" people claim Consoles are holding PC development back, but they don't think or factor in the fact that game developers want their games to play on those low end PC and laptops, and the HD consoles are more capable game machines than many of those.
And then we get games like Uncharted 2 and 3, the technical marvels not done before in gaming like GOD OF WAR 3 (MLAA), LA NOIRE. Games like Heavy Rain (2011 AIAS Heavy Rain Outstanding Achievement in Visual Engineering).
Games with those graphics cost like 40 and 50 million each.
You want even BETTER? Significantly better? Ok....doable....but were talking about 100 million dollar products and a machine with 3 or 4 580 or 590 cards.
I don't want a new console machine to cost $1500....no thanks. And I don't want more devs to go out of business because in order to compete they have to spend 75 million minimum on each game, because many will.
I'm good with what we have at the moment and I can live with UNCHARTED 3, INFAMOUS 2, and GEARS 3 graphics......I'm totally good with that.
I suggest you get good with it too....at least for 2 1/2 possibly 3 1/2 more years.
And for the record, consoles will be FORCED to offer a choice of console less than or equal to $500--and most technology these days tends to be good at mass production of these $2000 gaming PCs into $500 mass-produced hardware. Was the PS3 $2000? No. No it was not. Yet the top of the line GPUs like the GTX 8800 (yes, it was top of the line in 2006) and X1950 XTX Crossfire ran around the same speeds as the PS3 for prices outrageously above the PS3's price, and still were challenged with Crysis.
I'm not saying we need a new console so you can spend more money. I'm saying we need a new console to cut development costs so devs don't have to downcode and we all get better games!
Do you know how long it takes to make a game? I'm sure you're aware the average game takes 2-4 years to complete. And do you know devs spend on average a year coding the game to work with the console hardware, and still having to try to get out all the bugs they can find?
Jesus, all the hate over some speculated change. Most of these games that are coming out were preparing for new hardware for release. Now all these games--RaGE, BF3, Infamous 2, KZ3, UC3, Resistance 3--will all be running around 30FPS. In layman terms, it means that it has trouble running the game. And I only speculate the release of PS4 next year:
A) because of all the good games coming out this year are already maxing out hardware, and a new console would destroy PS3 and 360's lineup.
B) because we're already spending extra development costs just to downcode for consoles.
C) because every console release follows by a year of waiting for actual good titles to appear, considering most launch titles tend to suck. Gears of War came out a year after the release of the 360.
This means that the PS4 would launch in 2012, but you'd still be playing Black Ops 2 on your PS3 or 360, because there isn't enough good stuff to play on the PS4.
I'm not saying we need better graphics then what we already have (though I'd like them, considering devs won't do it because of hardware restrictions), I'm saying we need faster, better graphics on better hardware. Better GPUs means better performance, and the better a game performs the more successful the game tends to be. BF3 will be lagged to all hell, I can tell just by looking at how gorgeous it is that it's going to have to reduce itself severely on consoles. Looking at Crysis 2 you see the same thing on consoles.
TL;DR--It's time for a change, we want better games to run well on our consoles, and we want already good games to run great on our consoles. So why not? You're looking at $500 out of pocket for a new console, and $60 for new games.
Besides, game prices do not rise with every new generation. PS1 titles were $50. PS2 titles were $50. This generation they changed because they have to, to cover dev costs of new disc formats like Blu-ray. And to make you better games.
And if you don't want better games, it's a damn shame on your part for being stubborn to change.
that they target their games to run on Low end PC's and low powered laptops. Have no idea about your Macbook, but it seems to run them.
You can look at any game on Steam that you want, the minimum specs may not be ideal, but that's what it takes to run said game, and in almost ever single case, said game is lower or equal to the capability of an HD console.
And again, Better Graphics, like the ones we saw EPIC show on their 3-580 card machine....those kinds of graphics will cost $100 million+ and will cost the consumer plenty to get said console.
Whatever, other than Nintendo, I hope not to see a console until 2013. We'll find out soon though....less than 2 weeks, in fact.
but naw man I totally get what your saying but duuude, you shud rly cut down on ur stuff it's relly long. I had trouble reading it all. But i dont no if u could fit in all the stuff you said so ya i guess it makes sense.
Anyawy ya I hav a 8800GS r somethin in my iMac rite now and i kno what u mena it runs good it isnt teh GTX 8800 but its close.my ps3 is great but i notice mw2 was faster graphicly then black ops is that fps? but ya mw2 ran better thn balk ops and tochlite was definitly good presstantug, that game looked bad but runs great but taht game was ment to b tat way.
hope we ply ps4 soon fel like sony lst wen ps3 came out a year late.
sry for typos, all done on my new bb. I usally just read comments but wantd to makea usrename today. Hopefully I cna edit this out wehn i git home in ten min lol
They need an upgrade, but they don't need anything like DUAL-GPU's, heck they do fine with a 6950.
Fall 2013
Lets hope so!
I say sooner the better! And I'm talking about all three, not just Sony.
could be. I like your icon there, that is great movie.
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There is so much more that is going on in a game than resolution. Resolution is a very small part of the package.
We have have yet to be able to even emulate real life at 480p. This is even with modern GPUs that are capable of High Resolutions. Turning down the resolution on these chips is not enough to provide the power needed to go CGI or beyond.
That said Hardcore PC gamers will turn down their resolution to gain some advantages such as faster frame rates, better AA, etc.... The point is why should Sony come up with a Graphics combo that taxes the GPU when only a few of the gamers will reap the benefits. Why not created a GPU/CPU/(and Cell processor if they decide to keep using it) that could do Ultra high resolution but instead limit it to 1080p and save all that processing power for other areas that will bring games to life and ALL gamers will benefit from that.
*Updated GPU and CPU/Cell (wouldn't mind dual core version of the CPU/Cell)
*More Memory ( 256 mb per processor is way to small). 1 GB per processor min (Ideally 2GB)
(Note to Xbox 360 fan trolls this is a mistake made by ALL console makers)
The only exception to allowing larger resolutions is in allowing multi-monitor support (as in multiple monitors of 1080p) Three monitors/TVs minimum please.
That's it .....and it would be an awesome game system that would NOT double the price of the console because it is based on past research efforts.
**** Also would be Backwards compatible with PS3 games :-)
Also I dont know where you are getting the notion that a modern GPU cant do 1080P. I have a GTX580 and run all my games (new and ole) at 1080P with everything at maximum settings.
This is par of the course now as t takes many years to finalize hardware for these consoles.
Yes,but platform holders never talk about it,because it effects their current products,once they start talking(like in this case)...hot
This is basically official confirmation,PS4 is coming soon,save some money.
I know one thing, those silly reports a week or so back, that PS4 & 360 wouldn't release until 2014 is ridiculous & whoever believes that, is a newbie to console manufacturers tricks of the trade. Theres no way Sony or MS would admit to the possibility of there next machines coming out anytime soon, as unlike Nintendo & there Wii, sales for 360 & PS3 will only look to grow (possible double for one of them) at a very rapid rate, especially this coming Christmas with PS3 & more than likely 360, set to drop there prices again just in time for the fat, jolly, red suited fella to crawl down the chimney. And after xmas, in the early stages of 2012, both will start rapidly making there way down to that special price point (just before the one where EVERY LAST DAMN CASUAL hops aboard after PS4 & 720 have just released). They usually hit a certain 2nd lowest price, just before new harware launches, then when there younger brother is born, they drop them to that all time low point, & sell them for pittance, while still churning out a small number of titles & heaping together collections, boxsets, lowering prices of & adding more to Greatest Hits type rangess, to make money on software, seeing as the hardware is virtually being given away.
Both MS & Sony will have hardware to announce at E3 2012, as shown with Project Cafe, news will come flooding out before then, & I expect shortly thereafter Nintendo's E3 showing this year, that MS & Sony will hit back hard with announcements on there current gen successors to steal Nintendo's thunder. And with the NGP looking so awesome, Sony already have a powerful little handheld to stunt 3DS's success somewhat, so all Sony need do now is get to working on there next disk format for my PS4, as if MS look to go the Onlive routte, then it will make my next gen gaming habits cheaper, as I'll only need buy a PS4, with my beloved cover, instructions & physical disk medium desperately needing to go around for ONE more gen at least, not only for my sentimentality sake, but because there are people out there that don't have the net, can't have a decent speed & d/l limit through there isp. So simply put, only the 2 major countries in the videogame world could do it, maybe 3 if we include U.K. or Europe as a whole (but I'm pretty sure a helluva lot of Europe's internet infrastructure may not allow it. So really that leaves Japan & most of U.S. maybe, I say maybe, as U.S. is still suffering from financial woes, so jobs have been cut, money is down, so in turn sacrifices made. It just seems a way off until going into a shop & walking out with something in your hand is still 10years away (hopefully).
I wonder what happened with Codename:Kingdoms. That seemed interesting, I'd love to see what Crytek can pull out of the 360 in the latter part of its lifespan
Maybe it will turn out the way God of War 2 turned out for PS2 - just incredible
The fact that all I'm saying is that we don't need to hear anything about new consoles if they are currently not failing. I believe that the consoles are doing just fine at the moment. Now when it comes to the Nintendo Wii, that's a good point in a consoles lifetime to release information on a new project.
I find it pretty childish that you believe my comment is ignorant.
Also I hope that this comment was directed to me and not BushLitter because if it wasn't I'd feel pretty darn stupid :).