Microsoft's gain in the gaming space in bringing Xbox 360 to market early with a standard DVD drive has been Toshiba's loss in the high definition video market.
As ITWire go on they tell the importance of the Xbox 360 to HD DVD survival
it depeneds really if this rumored new 360 comes with a built in hd-dvd drive at the same price as the ps3 or lower, any higher then theres no piont, also maybe advertising that the 360 has a hd-dvd add-on bettetr might help, here in the uk theres nothing telling people that you can buy the add-on for the 360. hd-dvd is not dead, just needs one hell of a boost
Never mind the fact that the HD-DVD stand alone players are selling more. I forgot that the ENTIRE movie industry banked on gamers.....morons.
This war is just starting. You PS3 idiots think its over because more of you were FORCED to buy into Sony junk. Blu-Ray will not win. Regular consumers already prefer HD-DVD. Its only a matter of time.
If you disagree than you are a PS3 droid who likes to watch movies and not play games.
if the rumour is true, still HDDVD yet to persuade more major movie studios.
Most of them are devoted to Bluray. Bluray is everyone's favourite HD format (exclude xbots) and i highly doubt most studio will be defecting to HDDVD.
"i highly doubt most studio will be defecting to HDDVD."
paramount did, what makes u think others wont follow?
xbox360 will eventually need built-in HD drive, i recommend blue-ray :D.
You mean the only reason BluRay is 'hot' is because the PS3 buyers are forced to take it.
Otherwise there would be not much sales for BluRay and it would be slaughtered by HD-DVD stand alone players
How the hell would you know Mart? Even without PS3, BR still has most the studio support, right?
Toshiba aren't slaughtering on standalone sales right now even if they have an edge and we all know thats because BR buyers have a much better option than getting a standalone. A PS3. PS3 actually hurts standalone BR sales and thats why Toshiba loves to brag those figures up.
A couple hundred players plus a little over 10K Xbox add ons vs nearly 6 Million PS3's. Toshiba should do what you should do, give it up. God, you only care about HDDVD cos you're a Bot.
actually right now bathy if you knew any thing, you'd know that in the realm of major studio support they are about even, and its in the small studios and independent that blu ray has to its advantage *but by only about 20 studios* and only because they follow the top dogs.
And actually no...Having ps3 as your only trump hurts blu ray sales, Ps3 accounts for 95% of all blu ray players in the hand of consumers right now, thats a bad thing when all these companies are creating blu ray players and yet no ones buying them and buying the ps3 instead....you tend to get companies that lose interest in making blu ray players...
you just kill off your customer base there and then hd drives would be pointless unless you made games for it and doing so would make all previous 360s obsolute
I don't think the HD DVD rumor for the xbox 360 is true. But regarding the article, wouldn't it be interesting if MS put a HD DVD drive in the next gen xbox? I would assume they would instead of another format because of cost. If HD DVD can survive till then, you can imagine a bargain deal MS would get or Toshiba would pay MS for this. In my eyes, It makes MS look really smart holding out implementing a HD DVD drive in the 360. Cost to add it on a next gen xbox would be minimal to MS and the consumer compared to what we would have to pay for this generation if they did.
HD DVD is inferior technology. Seriously, both technologies are simply storage devices. Blu Ray has more capacity. I do not understand why anyone would want to choose the inferior format.
Its not as if it is innovative like the Wii, with the associated price difference, both formats are priced about the same, the players will be priced about the same, and the functionality will be about the same (it is only software after all)
Its a no brainer to me, and getting a PS3, I get to watch the HD movies without really investing too much in the war, as it will always be used for games. If the 360 came out with the HD DVD drive now, their PR team would have to spend a fortune putting out the subsequent bad press that would generate, forcing the customers who may have already bought a HDMI equipped 360 (MS said HDMI was not important), to buy another HD DVD equipped 360, at the same time proving Sony was right all along when they said that the PS3 was the start of the next generation.
I am not a fan of these HD format wars, but I don't buy that HD-DVD is an inferior format for movies just because of storage.
In fact as far as I know it has quite a few advantages over Blu-Ray currently, such as current DVD production plants can be converted to produce HD DVD with minimal cost, HD DVD uses the h.264 standard compared to Blu-Ray which still largely relies on the older MPEG-2 format which means that HD DVD actually can store better quality video and audio while using less storage and HD DVD has mandatory support for Dolby Digital Plus and Dolby True HD, both which are only optional requirements for Blu-Ray and at lower bandwiths.
Blu-Ray has made advances in closing these technical deficiencies, the problem is though many early adopters of Blu-Ray players are stuck with machines that do not support these newer formats because Sony was behind the ball on providing a unified standard on which players should be built on. HD DVD also uses HDi for interactive content and they come with ethernet ports standard which allows for online content download and firmware updates, while Blu-Ray is stuck using a hybrid system of BD Java and old style DVD scripting and does not have ethernet ports as standard.
Considering all the deficiencies of Blu-Ray currently, I am glad that the PS3 has the internet and the ability to upgrade its firmware, because I would hate to be one of the poor suckers who is stuck with a dud standalone Blu-Ray player right now
heres the deal....xbox 360 addon hd dvd players account for less then 10% of total hd dvd player sales.
Now if you we're to say PS3 is vital for blu ray survival then id agree because still now ps3 accounts for nearly 95% of all blu ray player sales.
P.S:the above are facts, do some research numbers are available, surveys show a majority of blu ray owning folks have ps3s as their players.
the way i see it, sony did use ps3 as a trojan horse to get ps3s into ppls homes but the truth is... i would do the same if i was sony...
anyway, hd dvd could still win, but theres basically no chance of that happening - perhaps if hddvd was in ALL 360s it would have already won AND ps3/360 games would be much better because of the extra storage on both platforms
I think the PS3 is more important for Blu Ray than 360 could ever be for HD-DVD.
I agree 100%.
of course it is cos the sad fact is the only reason blu ray is winning is because theres 5mill plus ps3's out there which means theres potential 5mill plus blu ray players, if the ps3 didnt have blu ray then hd-dvd would be winning as stand alone hd-dvd players are out selling stand alone blu ray players, so many differet angles u can look at, this format war will continue for a long time yet, im just deciding my self which one to get
xbox 360 is vital for my ass
lol thx for the laugh :)
.... mmmm.. don't tell me that you are one of those weirdos... that like having sexy time with their consoles...
Were paid a hefty sum to release Transformers on HD-DVD. That example is not suggestive of studios "defecting" but studios being paid. If Blu-Ray begins to dominate, then if anything studios will be defecting to that camp.
It all depends on sales. Just like how some 3rd party developers are giving the Xbox 360 more love than the PS3.
One question, why would you want the HD-DVD to survive? We need only one standart and not two to confuse consumers. I don't want to buy two players so I could watch a movie on one and then another movie on the 2nd! As the dude above said, it's only a format and an inferior one for that matter! Seriously, the only support camp for HD-DVD is the 360 one! And I, in no way, can explain why! Do care to educate me in why we need HD-DVD instead of blu-ray!!! And for mart above, it doesn't matter if sony has pushed blu-ray with PS3 and supposedly is forcing it, the bottom line is Blu-ray is supperior to HD-DVD in every possible way, so why in gods name do you need it??? Just because it was on part made by sony? As a consum we have no benefit in a inferior format!!! The only reason why HD-DVD is still being pushed by the companies is money, they have put lots of it in this and want to get it back, not looking at the fact it's not better option! Either way you look at it, Blu-Ray has won the war, some ppl need to realize it!!!
EDIT: WilliamRLBaker, you just proved my point, Blu-ray is still better, so why do we need two formats instead of one?
if your gonna make a post actually know something about the formats before you post.
HDDVD and Blu ray are exactly the same now when it comes to movies and games for that matter *we aren't gonna see a game that takes up over 50 gigs unless its crap coded and filled with 30 hours of HD CGI*
Before the 51 gig hddvd update blu ray had a few adavantages all stemming from the 50 gig capacity that advantage is gone now, With 51 gigs movie companies can put the exact same stuff on the hddvd disc that they put on the blu ray, High bitrates, uncompressed PCM, Dolby HD, And HD DTS tracks we're all about of the higher storage that storage advantage is over.
Blu ray still has the advantage in overstorage since theoretically *its possible limit* is like 200 gigs, Where as hddvd's limit is like 100-120 gigs. but right now for movies and games there is no difference between the 2 formats.
And really any time soon what movies are gonna use over 50 gigs? seriously? a new resolution? well thats stupid since the major buying time of HD is right now and the choice is these 3 resolutions.
the TV industry isn't gonan release a new resolution standard set anytime soon or they will piss off early adoptors.
The only thing blu ray has now is studio support and with studio support pretty much all most even with both formats the only thing in blurays favor is the ps3 its the one that has kept blu ray afloat and made it flurish, because 95% of blu ray player owners own an ps3 as their blu ray player.
"With 51 gigs movie companies can put the exact same stuff on the hddvd disc that they put on the blu ray"
That simply is not true. The current HD DVD players are not capable of playing that 51GB disk, and none of the publishers are therefore going to publish movies on it. The Blu ray players on the market can play 50GB disks right now, and players like the PS3 can play the 100GB disks with a firmware update.
"Blu ray still has the advantage in overstorage since theoretically *its possible limit* is like 200 gigs, Where as hddvd's limit is like 100-120 gigs"
So we are agreed that they are both simply storage devices and that Blu Ray has more capacity, both now and in the future. Good, thats what I thought.
"And really any time soon what movies are gonna use over 50 gigs? seriously?"
We have already seen the Transformers HD DVD leaving out a true High Def Audio track because of space. The Spiderman 3 Blu Ray has two discs, one for the movie and commentaries, and one full of extras. With HD extras those disks are getting maxed out even now. With more space the publishers can provide more content, it is that simple, and more content means more value for money. More space is better for the consumer, whether it is used or not. The price for the discs will remain the same, and as with DVD, come down over time.
"if your gonna make a post actually know something about the formats before you post."
Willy, I don't think that it is fair to try and dismiss someone's point of view by using a condescending tone aimed at implying that somehow you know more about the formats than anyone else.
If you know so much about what future storage requirements are required then I am sure we can find a place for you in the list of other so called geniuses. I believe Bill Gates once said that 640K was enough for anybody. Yeah right!
Are you on the testing team for HD-DVD? Because the final compatibility test for the TL, 51 gig disc won't be out until next month. So we will all be educated on that subject soon enough.
However, IF current players are able to play them, then HD-DVD will have one advantage that Blu-ray discs will never have: the ability to play on SD-DVD player.
The twin-format design has the DVD and HD-DVD layers all on one side (no combo format flipping), allowing HD-DVD owners only having to make one disc purchase and play their movies any where they have a dvd player.
b/c a drive isn't built in from the get go. It's not quite too late to start putting them in, but that would either mean a higher price and/or a bigger loss on the bottom line for MS. Both are undesirable situations to prolong a war that MS really doesn't have much to gain from.
Anyway, I'd we're still on the heels of the HD generation, as the market penetration isn't quite there yet. It isn't too late, but we are certainly getting to that point IMO.
My theory here (no facts, just a theory) is that like most rumors there are some truths but not what was originally rumored. Just like MS later said that they started working on the 360 once the original Xbox came out, MS must already be working on Xbox 720. Their partner Toshiba is probably helping them with protos and such protos will include a 3 layer HD-DVD 51 GB drive. The payout to Paramount and Dreamworks for them to release HD-DVD until holiday 2008 is probably to make sure that HD-DVD are still around when this new Xbox 720 launches. So based on this theory, I would agree that Xbox and HD-DVD need each other.
Please don't reply about the future being all digital downloads, everybody knows that most countries don't have the infrastructure to support that on a wide scale yet. It's more than one console generation away.
Didn't MS already come out and say they weren't going to release an xbox with a built in HD-DVD drive? Or maybe they're just blowing steam up everyone's ass then going to sneak a new sku in anyway. Of course they're going to plaster Master Chief all over it because it's the only way they'll be able to push it a bit.
would be my idea.If microsoft really has problems with disc space and an add on HD-DVD drive would be able to play HD-DVD games. Why not give the HD-DVD add on away for free to xbox360 owners. With this move you would have in a couple month 12 million HD-DVD players on the market and people would buy movies and games and you make the money with software back. The other point you would be able to win the HD format war an movie studios would support your system.
The reason why Blu-ray is better is because it can store more on the disc
2X more compared to the HD DVD.
That's why most people prefer Blu-ray because of the detail you can create.
Especially w/ movies like Iron Man and Avatar coming out soon.
Betamax was better than VHS but i don't see many Betamax players around any more.
Here is an interesting read that i just found, it kind of surprised me actually:
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