The price of Xbox 360 Arcade is certainly right, but here's why CNET's Crave doesn't think you should even bother with the debilitated system.
I really think 99% of the contributors randomly go through approving and reporting submissions without reading them. They just want to get their numbers up.
1. Your numbers mean nothing in the real world.
2. Why be a contributor if you don't take the rules set forth by n4g seriously?
3. This site has become a haven for fanboys to argue and post "articles" to jab at one another. What happened to "NEWS" 4 gamers?
Everyone who blogs at CNET's Crave is actually a professional journalist. And just because you don't like a story does not mean it's lame.
A perfect example of this site's flaws. It doesn't matter if I agree or disagree with a submission. The rule is you approve on legitimacy, not personal opinion.
You just keep scouring digg and submitting everything from there to keep your n4g numbers up. Does it like improve your credit score or something?
Anyways. How dare I step on the toes of peg, the mart, MK, or Rowland. These holy grails of n4g are what keeps the new moving. Go nuke another burrito, and sit in front of your monitor for another 8 hours.
Because I report something, it has to be due to bias?
Well AcFreeze, at least we still have TnS. Definition of by the rules :)
But seriously, what good are the rules for if you can't play with them a little. Plus, I believe this is story is not against any of N4G rules.
I'm not sure I understand what you guys are arguing about. Any "professional's" opinion is considered news by n4g's standards.
Anyhow, I think people SHOULDN'T buy the Arcade box only because the Premium is a much better deal. That's basically what the article says and I agree 100%. Any informed consumer would opt for the Premium, and the only people that will end up buying this are cheapskate parents who just want to shut their kids up and don't know any better, or people that already own a 360 and are getting a replacement/backup.
The article is written in ignorance. That's why I think it's stupid. *note I'm using small words so n4g contributors understand me* The entire plan for the arcade option is to be cheaper. Not by means of value, but flat out cheaper. The simplistic point that the premium is a better deal is so absurdly obvious, that it doesn't warrant being said.
The "blogger" over looks the entire purpose of the new SKU and writes from a linear train of thought. Would I approve a story saying don't buy the PS3 40gb because the higher end is better? No. Because that's common sense. Is common sense now news? That's all I want to know. Are "BLOGS" with nothing but "COMMON SENSE" news worthy?
You ask "Are "BLOGS" with nothing but "COMMON SENSE" news worthy?"
Let me answer with another question, "Are you new to the internet?"
If so, this is what the internet is all about(sadly), welcome to it.
If not, then well I guess you didn't get the memo about the above.
That is all
Bunny with Pancake
I agree with AcFreeze.
He has a valid point.
Granted, this is a blog from (more than likely) a professional journalist but the point is this isn't news. This blog contains nothing of substance. It completely overlooks what Microsoft has set out for the Arcade SKU. If Microsoft intended to put out a cheaper version of a higher end model they would have and announced it as such, but they did not.
I agree that a true gamer should not (and probably would not) go after the Arcade SKU because it does not provide any substance for a true gamer. It seems almost like Microsoft's business model for the Xbox 360 is to develop as many SKUs as possible in as many varieties as possible. This seems like similar plan we have seen in handhelds (like the Game Boy life).
This blog does nothing to provide anything of news. It does not even have a rumor. All this blog does is provide tinder to a fire that needs no more fuel to keep running. I just wish (and it is naive of me to do so) that people would overlook these articles and allowed people to reject articles with valid arguments. The problem that is very clear with n4g is that there is no level hand to deal with these articles which is unfortunate.
this site is becoming a bore..
Not everything has to be "news" to be posted on here. This story isn't listed as news, it's listed as an article. Interviews aren't "news" either but they certainly have a place on this site. I think too many people are getting confused what the real purpose of n4g is supposed to be.
You almost sounded like you knew what you were talking about. Yes, this is an article and articles can have a place if worthy. You can't tell all these people they're wrong about not thinking it's worthy.
On to the whole reason I responded. WTF are you talking about when you say interviews aren't news? The hope is always that the interview reveals something NEW genius. The whole point is to get info first hand from someone high up in the involvement. That was serious stupid. Please, please, please think next time; There's a lot of responses and I don't want to pan through them all to educate you again.
AcFreeze has a very valid point. This really shouldn’t have got posted, in the past when everything was approved by the creator or creators of this site that would not have made it as a post and would have been rejected. Why? Because the author clearly missed the whole point of the intention behind the SKU, and this seems more like a rant. As for the people quoting this is a professional journalist for CNET, well take not that this article didn’t make it as one CNET listed.
I hope something will be done about all these contributors that approve any and everything.
I agree with you 100%.
However, I've tried fighting this fight (i.e. follow the rules) before; you'll never get anywhere, trust me. N4G is broken. There are too many fanboys with a collective IQ of about 71. Contributors don't get punished for breaking the rules, so they just continue in a never ending tirade to increase their silly 'score' or advance their agenda. The fact they even have an 'agenda' and such a high emotional stake in videogames is sad enough as it is; the constant fighting and badgering you find on this site is just downright pathetic.
Anyways, like I said - I agree with you. I'm just saying you shouldn't waste your effort - it's a lost cause. This site is officially dead from a "legitimate news source" perspective. Has been for a while now - really fell off the deep end around April/May this year, but its been a long time coming.
recommend the premium console over the arcade for what i thought were valid reasons.
You get a ton of stuff for $279. If you want a HDD later, you spend $20 more than buying a Premium now.
If you have the money, Premium or Elite is the way to go. If you are short on cash, the Arcade SKU is a great deal. It's certainly better than the Wii.
buy a ps3 80 gig hard drive with blu ray, hdmi, wifi, memory card slots, free online gaming and motorstorm for 499.... Cant beat that..
not enough PS3 stories for you to comment on?? What family in the "Wii market" wants all that extra crap? Nobody! Sony is catering to the hardcore with all of their systems and the average family I know doesn't care about all those things you listed. They just want quick, fast and easy games to play..
If that's the better solution, how come more people are buying the 360 and the Wii?
Aka people who don't know any better or who don't bother to do research. I've sold Wii's to a few people that honestly seemed clueless. For example one guy I sold a Wii to asks me if I have one. I go no I got a ps3. I need my games in hi def and I love the blu-ray player. His response? So the Wii can't do either of those things?
I'm still waiting to buy my 360(I have to get my PS3 first) and this Arcade bundle wouldn't get me off the fence because the Premium is such a better value for only $100 more which you will wind up spending on necessary attachments for the Arcade.
The article says upgrading to a 20GB will cost no less than $90! That is crazy. I dont know the prices of Xbox HDDs, but that is insane. Glad the PS3 can take any 2.5" HDD.
you shouldn't be buying a 360 period
Useless. Completely useless SKU.
If you're only a casual gamer who wants a new system you're going to buy a Wii. And if you're into the classic games like Pac-man, I'm pretty sure that the Wii offers more classic games than the 360. You'd really have to be a complete moron to buy this model.
edit @ below: I realize that, but I think my message still holds true. :)
but it is the Championship Edition. Pac-Man CE is a damn good casual game, which the 360 Arcade is trying to target.
Premuim all the way but i dont see why this artcle was approved because it was so so predictable as was "why u should buy Ps3..." few weeks ago. its complete bolox and its no need.
The Arcade bundle is simply not a good deal if you're looking to get a 360. I can't possibly imagine someone buying a 360 with no plans on ever downloading a single demo.
A consumer would be crazy not to buy the premium bundle and for an extra $70 get a 20gb HD, Component cable, and two retail games.
In my opinion there is value in the premium bundle that negates the need for a'tardcade pack.
I agree, but for some people -- the CHOICE is good. I would recommend the Elite myself (I fancy the black for the entertainment center).
But, look at the way this site spins the headline. The important part of the author's opinion is this:
"My solution is that you take advantage of the excellent value that is the traditional Xbox 360 with the 20GB hard drive available for $350. This will remove the need for adding a larger hard drive in the immediate future, plus it will give you the option of choosing which Xbox Live Arcade games you want to download instead of getting stuck with the five that the 360 Arcade console comes with. Some retailers are even offering an Xbox 360 Pro Bundle for $350 that includes Marvel Alliance and Forza 2 in addition to the Xbox 360 premium--a deal tough to argue with."
The Premium *IS* a better deal.
But, what if you want to give this as a gift? Maybe $270 is the most you'll spend? What if you just *dont* have the extra $90 for the HD today? What if you're not interested in Forza 2 or Marvel? Perhaps you know you'll only want to play Madden? or Halo 3? or Lost Odyssey? or just a casual gamer?
What if you want it just for Windows Media Center?
The point of the Arcade is CHOICE. And, all the PS3 Fanidiots trying to suggest that the Arcade is "crap" because its not a Xbox 360 Pro is missing the point.
If you *want* a pro, buy a pro, if you want a Arcade -- for WHATEVER REASONS YOU CHOOSE -- it is good to have it available as an option.
To the SDF: You Fail.
What you call common sense I call "people like to hear themselfs talk.
The same thing was said about the Core SKU, people said it would die its worthless and it should be disscontinued.
Yet the Core still sells because there is a market for it. "How could anyone argue with common sense"??????,???? the Aracde is still the same lame SKU it always been when talking about appeal to hardcore gamers but the arcade is the better console and the better deal and Sku vs the Core this is what people don't get its better and was upgraded.
@1st reply- How many people (outside of parents)are really going to buy an Xbox 360 system as a gift? If junior wants a 360 from someone other than his family he's more likely to receive a gift card so he can buy what he wants.
If the person buying the 360 can't afford $70 difference between dumbed down and greatness, then that person should save his money a bit more until he can buy the better system rather then shell out far more money down the road. The 360 is a luxury item, not a must have life or death necessity.
@2d reply- And you believe that none of those core owners haven't bought a HD yet? Think they're all still playing with the 'tard pack as is? I doubt it. The "casual" gamer comment is simply you being a parrot for M$'s marketing division. Casual gamers aren't mindless zombies that can't think for themselves. When they buy that Wii for $250 they're getting the entire Wii experience and are missing out on nothing. At $280 an Xbox 360 core owner is missing out on half of what makes the 360 so awesome.
So while you can claim the 'tard pack is selling you have no proof of how many units, nor do you have proof of how many core owners have kept the core as is without buying the HD and some component cables.
title says everything
a 512mb memory unit instead. The premuim is the best deal. It would be even better if it was $299 or maybe $329.
but for some people this maybe all they want. If the price was dropped to say 229, then it might be a least a decent deal. More and more the causual gamer will play a bigger role now that all three systems have been out for awhile.
You shouldn't. If you want a 360, get the Premium or Elite. Arcade is just for dumb consumers.
What i fyou ONLY want it for Windows Media Center? Have you seen the price of the other WMC Extenders on the market?
For $250, the Arcade is worth the price if you just want Windows Media Center on a TV somewhere in the house.
If you were going to use it has a WMC extender you would need to have ethernet cables running through your house or go and spend $100 for wifi. Now your price is at $380. Your better off buying a very good stand alone WMC extender.
Yes I own as 360 and yes I knew that the Core was a pile of crap and so is this, MS put a hard drive in this package, maybe an 8GB one.
Core/Arcade are the same pile of crap. Should've never existed. Just screws developers (and therefore us) out of using it for caching and such.
Probably not a bad deal for casual gamers, but the author's absolutely right: Why would you buy this?
For just $70 more, you get more than enough room for gamesaves and the occasional download, plus component cables and everything needed to get started on Xbox Live...
ANNNND...$90 worth of free games. Two pretty good titles, too.
So $70 more nets you more than $200 worth of extras.
Now if the Core Arcade were $200, and a 20GB HD was $50 (as it should be), then this would be a good buy.
People will buy it just as they buy 40 PS3's(despite being worse than before and not better) with only $100 you can get the 80 gig PS3. People will buy depending on what they deem they need for their habbits.
While true, what's the average for a game save...maybe 50MB. Even a casual gamer eventually will have more than 5 games, including rentals.
Then again, they could buy another memory card, but they're expensive as well. I'll give you an agree though because this will fit some peoples needs.
The console is better comes with a wireless pad and a bunch of other sh*t, ITS BETTER THAN THE LAST dee dee dee.
that your 18.1 post FORCED me to award you w/ bubbles. It was, without a doubt, the smartest, most logically based comment in this entire thread. Quite an achievement... Congratulations!
Don't get distracted by the hate, friend. You make good comments... so don't degrade yourself by posting "People in here can STFU". Just a thought.
I disagree with the article as a 360 Wii fighter in the shape of Arcade makes sense. M$ is going after the Wii market and this market does not care about the same things that more serious gamers care about b/c if they did the Wii would not have record sales in the first place and Nintendo would be out of business. M$ may benefit from a shortage of the Wii.
I think that the problem for the Arcade is that the Wii sold on it low price and the cool factor of the innovative Wiimote. The inventive controller set up is clearly what made the Wii a success. Arcade does not offer this and that is it achilles heel. Also if M$ catures some of this Wii market it may find that its vaunted attach rate is reduced somewhat.
I know I am digressing but as a Candian I would like to see parity with US prices; Sony has already recognized this; come on M$ it is time for you to step up give Canadians a fair deal.
..... simply trying to piss off Bill Gate.
Can someone inform me exactly what is the disadvantage of buying this this SKU. I am seriously thinking of buying it when mass effect come out. I don't have broadband and i don't care at all about xboxlive market place etc. I only like playing Single player campaign.
This Sku might be a rip off only if you're a hardcore gamers but however if you are gamers that just only buy games but doesn't care about demo and wouldn't be bother with downloading anything on the XBL, this sku is probably a good deal simply the price stand near the Wii.
Also if you a casual gamers I still think this is a rip off, simply the Wii is much better choice and have way more classic games and better games than on the x-box 360 when it comes to causal games (classic).
But if you looking for media center and player high-end games I would recommend you to get 40gb/80gb PS3 simply it look stylish, reliable, it has blu-ray drive built in, play online is free, support all games up to 1080p, up scale dvd in high def view and most of all the sku come in with bundle such as an extra blue ray movie, 1 or 2 games, extra six axis, but don't forget it support all 2.5 hard drive as well as external hard drive.
So there you have it, it your choice but I recommended for you to wait sometime near spring if you don't have enough cash just yet simply those are the time where the big hitter for all platform and also another price cut where you can't resist.
Thanks for the info. I am an old fashion gamer(well sort of) and i have no intention of going online and play multiplayer games and download demos etc. I am only interested in the x360 for two games at the moment and i always intend to buy one when the price comes down and they fix their hardware issue which i hope they did for this new sku. As for a media center i already have the 60 gig PS3 from december last year and as usual with any Sony products i just have nothing but good things to say about it.Thanks again for your help. I'll press on the positive button and hope you'll get a bubble. I still don't understand how this bubble system works.
sucks for anyone who is not a casual gamer.
If you have no intention to use xboxlive features or to play old xbox games, then yes, it's a pretty good option for you.
wait People are still buying 360s wtf why? hax?
I get what Microsoft is doing here, but if I ask myself if I can think of anyone in any situation who wanted to get a 360 who I would recommend this SKU over the Premium the answer is no. No HDD is enough of a reason to stay away if you ask me - forget downloading demos or anything else for that matter.
its called business...and its been in practice...for a very long time....
he considered its gimped...yet doesn't say the same thing about the core...weird...
What you said is the only reason I even reply to people opinions on this issue.
#26 I also agree with...
Tell me if this SKU be able to play any single player x360 games without any problems. I might just buy this as i don't care about xboxlive and marketplace etc. I don't care about demos as well.
why have an entire article on reasons not to buy a sku. if you don't perferr it, microsoft isn't suing you. but don't try to encourage someone not to buy a system because you don't like it
perferr? PERFERR??? What are they teaching the children in school these days!?
And to actually respond to your statement: I don't see anything wrong with trying to help people not make a stupid business decision. If you want a 360 system I have no problem with that, but make a smart choice and get the Premium or Elite models. Don't waste your money.
"business decision"???????... and you're making fun of him?...
Why would a casual consumer that does not go on line need an Elite?.
My first 360 was a core because I was a very casual gamer and wasn't ready for online. people are wasting money all over the gaming industry how many times do we need to hear your hardcore opinion?.
Agreed!. I say a little over half of 360 owners go online alteast the Arcade will allow them to fully use their HDTV's and at the same time owners can upgrade when they decide to venture on XBL.
my kid is in 5th grade, and alot of his buddies want the 360. I talk to alot of the parents and not of them plan on hooking it up to the internet. So instead of comparing the arcade to the premium or elite, try comparing it to the Wii.
for 30 bucks more...arcade is the way to go.
Prismo....not everyone goes online. some parents dont want their kids online, and believe it or not, its the kids that ultimately decide the console war. and yes some people cant afford to spend the extra bill of internet a month so you think they shouldnt be wasting their little money on expensive gaming equipment?? think about what you wrote. thats why their is a cheaper version of the 360 out there, for the po people and the casual (hardly any games can be played online on the Wii but that still selling)
the arcade improves on the core by including enough memory to save your games, and if you do go online, you can download games onto the memory card. maybe only one or two, but you still can. and you can always delete and download again. its a one time charge.
What's wrong with "business decision"?
In case you haven't figured it out yet, it's "prefer" and not "perferr".
Also, lol at my "hardcore opinion." The only system I own is a Wii. It's more like my 'intelligent' opinion.
edit @ etownone: I appreciate your actually thought-out response, if nothing else. I disagree though. It's not even the online that makes the Arcade an awful buy - it's the lack of memory. There's an extremely little amount of memory on the machine, and for only $70 more you get a good amount of memory! I also don't understand why people wouldn't go online. The only reason I can think of is if you don't have internet, in which case you shouldn't be spending money on expensive gaming equipment. If you do have internet, why wouldn't you want the ability to download demos are what not - even for your children?
I think i wont be getting that...rather get a regular 360
they should have brought the price down to $250. WTF microsoft!
on that note...its still a great buy if your looking to play AAA games and you have no plans on going online.
only 50% of PS3 owners are online... not sure what the number is for 360...but I know there are still alot of families out there that dont go online.
to CMRBE. if your not going online....obviously save your money and go with the arcade. it comes with enough memery to save all your games. and yes, the arcade has the codename falcon chip in it, the cpu/heatsink problemsolver that doesn't overheat. and even if it ever did..you got 3 year warrenty. when your ready to go online, hard drives will probably be cheaper or just goto ebay and get one for under 50
Is perfect for those that don't go online?. If so i will get this by years end. Do you know if they have solved their hardware problem. What SKU do you recommend. I am not interested in a media center or xboxlive at all.
Just Say No to a XBOX SH!tty60.
The Playstation 3 is selling out worldwide for a very good reason THE PRICE has been dropped - the price was the only thing holding it back from becoming what the PS2 is - not the workmanship UNLIKE the XBOX's Red Ring of DEATH which turns your investment into garbage refurb unit.
P L A Y S T A T I O N 3 iS tHE antichrist IN Video gaming consoles it will always survive and never Perish.
P L A Y B 3 Y O N D
I know the Ps3 is good deal even without a price cut but just stop posting on the x-box 360 thread where this is not necessary, by the way this sku is absolutely a rip off if it a noob looking to buy for a console to play games.
Forgot to mention PS3 and the wii is much better deal than this
Most new 360s have an extra Heatsink and some have the 65nm so there are very few problems now dumbass. I bet you that cheap ass PS3 is going to start breaking left and right. LOL
you do seem rather insecure
Wow, you remind me a lot of that guy with a avatar with a 360 and the text: "Just say no."
And I think you´re just as brainwashed as him too.
What are you, 12 years old?
You fanboys are so predictable.
Dont' listen to the douchebag. The 360 Arcade is a great value. Pay $25 more then a Wii you get to play the best games out now and in the future add a HDD that is going to be cheaper. MS can't keep the HDD addon that price for much longer. Oh and don't forget about the new PS3 that doesn't allow you to play your old PS2 games. So you have to buy a new PS2 to replace that one you sold to get the PS3. I bet this dumbass doesn't say any about that in his review of the new 40gb PS3.