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Submitted by -Mezzo- 1657d ago | opinion piece

CVG - Is PlayStation Move in big trouble?

CVG - Sony's motion controller, the PlayStation Move, has been out for a while now but it seems to be having some trouble picking up traction. Although there are a number of games compatible with the Move there hasn't been a standout title yet. (Playstation Move, PS3)

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cyborg  +   1657d ago
I don't think so. ^_^
LOGICWINS  +   1657d ago
Well it has no MUST have exclusive titles right I'd say thats a bad thing. Personally, if Uncharted 3 supported Move and its was FULLY integrated into the game(melee, shooting, driving, climbing), then I'd buy it in a heartbeat. ND hasn't confirmed or denied anything...but I'm sure Sony won't pass up the opportunity of giving its most critically acclaimed franchise this generation both 3D and Move support.
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Dno  +   1657d ago
Move is dead when and only when it stops selling... sony sold 8 million controllers its alive and well.
Biggest  +   1657d ago
There are a few must have titles with full Move support. If you don't want to use the Move with them it's your call. There is no way you can say that the Move has no titles right now with Heavy Rain, Killzone 3, SOCOM, and MAG all having full integration. Sony isn't going to make a full slate of Move ONLY titles because, well, they don't have to. That's the beauty of Move. Yes, they are making Move only titles. No, they don't have to make a ton of Move only titles because the Move works well with other titles. Nintendo learned early on that making games for the Wii-Mote ONLY is a bad idea. Sony is doing what is known to work. The Move is only in trouble now that the PSN is back. When the Move gets more exclusive AND integrated titles, there will be something else in trouble according to websites like CVG.
LOGICWINS  +   1657d ago
"There is no way you can say that the Move has no titles right now with Heavy Rain, Killzone 3, SOCOM, and MAG all having full integration."

Who said the Move has NO titles? I'm saying that the Move currently lacks a title that would make the average joe run out and buy a $130 control scheme.

Lets say your at Gamestop and you just bought you HONESTLY believe that MOST people would spend $130 on a Move bundle and Nav controller and ADAPT to a new control scheme when they can spend $0 and use the DS3, a control scheme that they are already used to?
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lowcarb  +   1657d ago
"sony sold 8 million controllers its alive and well."
8 million sold...When was this?

I'm thinking more like 800,000 thousand to possibly 2 million. Either provide some links or quit lying.

@biggest, Those are not move exclusive games. Right now it's simply an optional controller no different then plugging your 360 controller into the PS3 and using it instead.
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LOGICWINS  +   1657d ago
^^Yeah, I'd like the link to that too.

Found it:
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SoapShoes  +   1657d ago
@lowcarb... You living under a rock? It was reported that Move sold over 8 million a little over a month ago.
lowcarb  +   1657d ago
Well call me surprised for that many Move controllers sold. Good for Sony if true and its gamers which will see exclusive Move titles made for it soon.
Oner  +   1657d ago
@ Logicwins I posted this a while back (now a couple of months ago) about PS Move being integrated in UC3 (additional alternative not mandatory) ~

"A rep from NaughtyDog was at my GF's College for an orientation/scouting event and was asked a few questions by the students/perspective hiree's about UC3. The rep answered that it's in development & that it will also have support for PS Move. I am not saying this is 100% concrete evidence, but this should be expected...hopefully we will get more info soon"
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kikizoo  +   1657d ago
"Right now it's simply an optional controller no different then plugging your 360 controller into the PS3 and using it instead. "

Lol, are you really serious ?

it's just stupid, since the gameplay is completly motion controler available, since you can play real games, made for controler and motion controler...and it's accurate !

"no must have"

misinformed people don't know that sport champion, the fight, are the more immersive and realistic spots games available, and the shooter and others are really cool (moves compatibles title are obviously others must have)

by the way, cvg show us again their real nature :)
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NYC_Gamer  +   1657d ago
its waste of time in my opinion because it has no real support original software wise
Redempteur  +   1657d ago
150 games disagree with you
NYC_Gamer  +   1657d ago

i mean real good quality PSMove,only titles not games with thrown on support.

i'm not going to spend 150 for that kind of lazy support just to play titles that work well on ds3
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Redempteur  +   1657d ago
there are already good move games ..there aren't much MOVE -ONLY titles because move is mostly an alternative ..and it's an alternative that works pretty well if you give it a chance ..

it's also easier to motivate buyers if they have a stock of games ready to be used with ..
LOGICWINS  +   1657d ago
^^I think Sony should have waited to release Move this year...when we might ACTUALLY have exclusive Move games that are actually worth buying. The only reason they released it last year was to get the jump on Kinect...which proved futile since Kinect is a sales monster right now.
DigitalRaptor  +   1657d ago
The sales gap between Kinect and Move is not huge considering Microsodt's massive marketing campaign.

Although Move has been well supported so far, I would be looking at Sony's E3 conference in regards to the PlayStation Move killer-app: Sorcery, that mystery flashlight game or some other amazing third-party implementation.
Urrakia34  +   1657d ago
What must-have title does Kinect have exactly?
NobleGamer  +   1657d ago
Move was in trouble from the get go people percieved it as a wii knock off and its just tacked onto games which clearly don't need it.

However Kinect is doing the rounds and becoming fastest selling electronic hardware of all time. But its full of shovelware and crap casual games

Child of Eden looks good, Maybe E3 MS will announce more hardcore games for kinect.
the_kutaragi_baka  +   1657d ago
Move is a gimmick and Sony know it. If the consumer wants a Wii like experience then they’ll buy a Wii. Simple as.
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SoapShoes  +   1657d ago
It's more advanced... That's like saying if people want an EyeToy like experience they'd just buy a PS2. You aren't making much sense and with Move at 8+ million and Kinect at 10+ million your argument holds no water.
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MariaHelFutura  +   1657d ago
I needs some games based around it that are the quality of Sonys other titles.
PR_FROM_OHIO  +   1657d ago
I guess since PSN is back up the media needs more negative shit to say about PS3!!!
ALFAxD_CENTAURO  +   1657d ago
Lol, bad day for the haters now the PSN is going back.

There are more Games for PS Move, leaked gameplay and images:

Also Sorcery. Can't wait for E3, Sony will deploy a lot of megatons.

But the media still ignore the good news.
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Quagmire  +   1657d ago
I hope Sorcery and Child of Eden deliver.

And has there been any more news on that Alan-Wake-type Move game? Seems intriguing, with an appropriate use for the Move.
Silly gameAr  +   1657d ago
What I was thinking and people jumped right on it.
TheOneWhoKillsYou  +   1657d ago
Nope, I just feel like its going to be like when the PS3 first started: No games, but good tech.
elite-shot  +   1657d ago
This guy is a dumbass.. heavy rain and killzone play beautifully with the move!
DelbertGrady  +   1657d ago
...and even better without it.
LOGICWINS  +   1657d ago
But most would say that it plays better with the DS3...thats the issue. Why spend $130 on a Move bundle with a Nav controller and LEARN how to adapt to playing with Move when you can spend $0 and keep playing with the DS3, a control style that your ALREADY adapted to?

Sony needs to introduce games that make people say, "WOW..I need to buy Move!" I expect Sorcery and UC3 to be the first steps.

The fact that "Heavy Rain and Killzone play beautifully with the Move" IS NOT the point. The point is Sony going to convince the mainstream that this control scheme is worth over $100 extra.

Also, how is Sony going to convince people who ALREADY have Kinect, to buy a second motion control scheme?

Sony has to REALLY step up the advertising and bring out some games worth buying if they want Move to succeed. If UC3 doesn't end up supporting Move, then there gunna miss out on a huge opportunity.

@BrianG- Yes, CHOICE is better than no choice...but I'm pretty sure after investing tens of millions of dollars into Move, Sony WANTS its audience to actually ADOPT Move.

CHOICE is great for gamers, but people actually need to buy the thing for Sony to benefit. Right now, Move saleswise is NOT doing as well as it should be doing.
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BrianG  +   1657d ago
Logically UC3 doesn't make sense for YOUR argument, since it sees move enabled games play better with the DS3. At least that is what your arguing.

But I would say a CHOICE is better than no choice. Especially for those who have bought the Move controller. Free integration without having to purchase a special copy (Minus RE5 with the Gold Edition BS) or being forced to used Move in blockbuster titles like KZ3.

In my mind, KZ3, Socom 4, Heavy Rain, etc.. play just fine with move. I don't feel I'm sacrificing much if anything at all in most of those titles.

But everyone has their own opinions I suppose.
Ddouble  +   1657d ago
But in a lot of interviews with developers for upcoming games, I've noticed them asked about move support. I'm not a FPS player but there were lots of people who said the Move is now there preferred choice for playing these games. The sharpshooter sounds like it's just a better experience but not better than the DS3.

So if it improves the gameplay or experience then why not buy it. It's only an initial investment for many games with more in the pipeline.

The killer apps do need to come but for now it's doing a good job.
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Seraphemz  +   1657d ago
Why does SONY have to convince kinect owners? That doesnt make sense....
NateCole  +   1657d ago

Find out what these words means.

1. Alternative
2. Variety.
mastiffchild  +   1657d ago
Are people forgetting the VERY different roles Move and Kinect have earmarked by their respective owners? Kinect was tantamount, in MS' own words-a new console. They spent on it like a new console in R&D AND in advertising where I've seen huge sums talked of when Kinect's ad budget was in question and they had to sell huge numbers just to offset these facts.

sony, on the other hand never had such lofty goals for Move, didn't push it in anything like the same way and have said all along it WAS about choice and offering gamers something on top of PS3 rather than instead of it. Kinect wasn't ever meant for the hardcore-not yet anyway and the ads tell you that better than anything else while Sony has Move in Socom, Killzone and Capcom has it in RE5 alongside the sports sims and party games expected of motion control systems. Sony plainly ARE offering Move as a choice with another way into core games for a different demographic used to motion controls whereas Kinect was about wowing a different and, imho, a total non gamer crowd first and foremost with the attempt to get them into games still to come(though supposedly in the pipeline we just have to see how you will get away from on rails experiences yet).

Sony and MS had totally different aims and expectations and unless we know the before release projections we don't know how successful either has been. Kinect sold well at launch but the games haven't been selling so well since and we have no idea if Move had any impact AT ALL on KZ3 etc sales. What we do know , though, is that MS spent heavily on this and got the sales they needed and Sony, who didn't spend anything like as much possibly didn't need to sell an amazing number and 8million could be fine.

I think it's too early to call either a success or failure(always said the second Xmas would show, by the number of Kinect enabled games sold how long term successful it might be)right now and by the start of next year with more true games for both due out before then, may well tell us more. Even then they don;'t bear comparison if they weren't meant to do the same thing.
WooHooAlex  +   1657d ago
Everyone knew PlayStation Move wasn't going to get a lot of exclusive games. Especially first party games. Even when they unveiled it, Sony said they wanted to give gamers a choice on how they play the game.

So no, I don't think its dead. I think its serving the exact purpose that they said it would.
ILikeTurtles  +   1657d ago
PsMove is a great hardware, but Sony aren't doing anything with it.
Zir0  +   1657d ago
Move won't be around much longer not even Sony are making any Move exclusive titles except Sorcery.
dragon82  +   1657d ago
They don't need MOVE exclusive titles if they keep making games like SOCOM 4. MOVE works better than DS3 in SOCOM 4.
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Mikelarry  +   1657d ago
i bought it and i only used it once for combat evolved. sony needs to dedicate more time into it
Brixxer600  +   1657d ago
I feel that both Sony and MS were too late to the party and should have just let Nintendo keep their corner of the market
finnhima  +   1657d ago
ROFL now that psn is back online, something else MUST be scrambled for to rag against sony with. Classic. Just classic.
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mastiffchild  +   1657d ago
Well, CVG, you know.
dragon82  +   1657d ago
It is pretty sad that no matter what Sony does there will always be "SONY IS DOOMED!!!!" articles. Some people are just trying way too hard.
jwk94  +   1657d ago
Yeah, there aren't any must haves for move, and frankly, that's a problem.
TheBreezyBB  +   1657d ago
It will be if i don't see Sorcery, anytime soon.
newn4gguy  +   1657d ago
I love Move.

I play Start The Party all the time. ^_^

Killzone 3 with Move and the Sharpshooter was a completely different experience than using a controller. I felt much more "into it".

Tumble, Echochrome II, Beat Sketcher, and all the other PSN Move titles are great also.

I prefer Heavy Rain, RE:5, MAG, Killzone 3, and Time Crisis: Razing Storm with Move. It's great!
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blackburn10  +   1657d ago
So what are Kinect's must have titles this year? Anything so far that hasn't gotten below average scores? No. But any articles about Kinect being in trouble? Nope. 8 milion Moves sold and it's in trouble./s Just go play Sesame Street and Dora the Explorer and leave us alone.
PS3n360  +   1657d ago
Because kinect it is not in trouble thats why. Like it or hate it it has games that are selling boat loads and games you can only play on kinect. The fact the games suck is irrelevant. It is easier for MS to track success or failure of Kinect through the continued game sales. With move there is no way to know if people are using it or letting it collect dust. That is the point of the article. If there are no games that are move only then it could be in trouble. Personally I think move is pretty cool and would love to get one with the sharp shooter so don't think I am a hater.
mastiffchild  +   1657d ago
Kinect IS in trouble if the people who bought into 360 with and because of it aren't buying any games isn't it? Too early to call out either in terms of success until we see a lot more and more time has passed. We just don't know, yet, WHO bought Kinect and so far there are very few games with it worth playing-Move support was never going to have to be as massive as Kinect support and so far it's done, in my eyes, what
Sony wanted it to and given a choice.
blackburn10  +   1657d ago
So the logic is that people prefer a lot of low level games for Kinect then a few functional games for Move. Don't get me wrong. I want more Move games too but I believe it is still too early for 'Is Move in trouble' articles. Kinect still hasn't proved it is better or more innovative then a controller either and in my opinion Microsoft is making it worse by making steering wheels and mats to go along with Kinect showing off more of it's limitations. Oh well, I am sure E3 will reveal more Move surprises
dragon82  +   1657d ago
So MOVE is in trouble because we can't track game sales the same way as KINECT?? That might be the dumbest argument yet.
PS3n360  +   1657d ago
dragon82. The point is that any developer would have a hard time deciding to do a Move only game because they don't know if it will sell. With Kinect developers can look at existing game sales and upward/downward trends in consumer behavior before deciding to make a kinect game. So no my comment isn't as dumb as you are. Try thinking before posting. Believe me I have sat through countless board meetings discussing marketing with clients. I know their concerns and train of thought regarding issues like this. Business decisions aren't made by fanboys.
fghsjdfghjdfhgkjdf  +   1657d ago
I've used it for Heavy Rain and it's also my (much) preferred controller for Killzone 3. I consider myself a hardcore gamer and thus far I love Move, as long as more support is yet to come I don't see how it could be considered a failure. It's the only motion controller that I feel is working for my games, rather than the other way around.
Bell Boy  +   1657d ago
Well said.

I got my Killzone 3 platinum and used Move in all but CO=OP...

Move will quietly grow as more people try it out on games of this quality..

Sony should just team up with Lucas Arts and do the definitive Jedi game to silence the Move in trouble brigade...but really it's true strength it can convert hardcore gamers due yo it being an option in so many great hardcore games...

If you scream you would never use it, you should swallow your pride and take it for a spin at a friends house in something like KZ3..many of the haters would think again of that I am sure
NateCole  +   1657d ago
Were there any reports whatsoever about Sony abandoning move?.

Quality game journalism at work here people. Bravo CVG.
newn4gguy  +   1657d ago
Totally meant to hit "agree". Sorry, bro.
newn4gguy  +   1657d ago
I wish people would just buy the thing! I love it and I love the games. I just want more of them!
supremacy  +   1657d ago
It seems like these journalists are always looking for that negative sign to shed light on.

It was the psn a few days ago, now that, thats been addressed its this.

CVG needs to give it a rest.
sack_boi  +   1657d ago
Short answer: Yes

Long answer: It's dead.
Falaut  +   1657d ago
LOLBBQCATS, ahhh MS wh**es. Any Kinect article from this site has been thumbs up, almost anything sony related is peppered with pessimistic words especially in the headlines.

Anyone that has used the tech with a quality app (and proper setup), ie; Killzone 3, Socom 4, Tumble, knows how great it is. (I will be honest and say that the other half of available software is weak sauce, Move Heroes...The Shoot...)

Really looking forward to UnderSiege and Resistance 3
Slugg3r  +   1657d ago
Move's sharpshooter attachment really needs new game that uses all of it's potential. Like Killzone's single-player was great but when playin online you'd be better just using only move and nav.
dragon82  +   1657d ago
It's called SOCOM 4.
ylwzx3  +   1657d ago
Whatever the MOVE has right now for software is far better than anything Kinect has. Kinect is such a joke.
Seraphemz  +   1657d ago
Exactly....but I guess people rather play Michael Jackson games....than SOCOM with move. Lame.
YodaCracker  +   1657d ago
It's funny when people are asked to list Move games, they just list a bunch of Move-compatible PS3 games that can be played with a controller. That's what you're about to do, right? That right there shows that Move has almost no games worth mentioning. The only one worth mentioning is Sports Champions, but that comes bundled with the device.

Now Move may not be doing too poorly sales-wise, but the reason people always describe its sales as terrible is because they are comparing it to Kinect, which is completely destroying it in that department. Kinect IS the fastest selling consumer electronics device of all-time, of course.
Seraphemz  +   1657d ago
Huh? "move compatible" = move game. You can play.the game. With move. Enjoy your Michael Jackson game...I'm loving killzone 3 and Socom with move...
SoapShoes  +   1657d ago
You have to be kidding yourself if you think Kinect is completely destroying it in software. Move-compatible is still a move game!

By your logic a game like Call of Duty isn't an online game, because you have the option of playing single player campaign. The only game that REQUIRED a Dual Shock on PS1 was Ape Escape... I guess the dual shock had no killer apps and wasn't worth buying? You do realize how stupid that sounds(your argument), don't you?
diehardgamer1000  +   1657d ago
oh im sorry wat does kinect have then...guerilla has said time and time again tht killzone3 was built wit Move in mind from the get go,same thing with zipper and how they made socom4...wat does kinect hv in tht wait
Edit: oh and RUSE as well...a game impossible to implement on consoles without a pointer-based controller
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InTheLab  +   1657d ago
While I agree that there are no must have Move specific titles, the notion that games with Move optional controls being tacked on is ridiculous.

We knew about Killzone 3 supporting Move months in advance. Of course they'll bring up Heavy Rain (which worked well despite what the first guy said) instead of the potential of the unreleased Resistance 3, which has Move support. Both games have Move support prior to launch so it's foolish to call Move controls tacked on when in reality, these guys have no idea how much time and effort is being placed in supporting Move.

Then there's games like Socom 4, which was obviously built with Move in mind from the start. Not only that, they built a full accessory for it with the Sharpshooter.

On the flip side, you have Kinect and Wii motion with the latter moving to Wii motion optional with games like Conduit 2 and Goldeneye, and games that already had option Classic controller support like Metroid Prime. In the Wii's case, you never hear the words "tacked on" or have bloggers screaming about how much better the Classic controller is over the Wii-mote.

As for Kinect, all it has going for it is it's sales and cool, but pointless, hacks for PC applications. There's quite a few Kinect titles coming this year, but based on what was shown off at TGS and what's actually available, Kinect will continue to struggle to find a place amongst traditional games and traditional gamers won't be lining up to buy rail shooter after rail shooter.

The bottom line is, it's way too early to be having this conversation. We'd all love to see more 3rd party but I think we're all satisfied with Sony's 1st party line-up of Move specific and Move optional titles.

Everything from consoles to handhelds would fail if we judged it by it's 1st year. The real question is, why is Move being singled out?
Ddouble  +   1657d ago
Well said. Saved me from writing and i've noticed the Move is been singled out a lot. It was understandable when we didn't know how much it sold but now that we know it sold 8 Million the bashing still continues.
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Falaut  +   1657d ago
I double that, well written.

Under Siege!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sorry for the constant US spamming, I just think this game needs all the help it can get as it got caught in the PSN craziness.
Just_The_Truth  +   1657d ago
The same was said about the ps3 in it's first year and look at it now. I think it's ignorant to just focus on the move and downplay the fact that it's optional in most games like that's a bad thing. Kinect can only work with kinect-only games and actually do ok look at harry potter with kinect tacked on it's crap and forza 4 a racing game where you can't control anything but the steering wheel when you play it with kinect. The fact that move is so versatile is the best part of it. People just hate the fact that it's doing well and they bring out bias articles like this it's just sad
Raoh  +   1657d ago
another stupid article.

I stopped at "you need to stand up to use move"

no... no you don't.

I sit with my nav controller in my left hand resting on the armrest and the move controller resting on the headrest of the sofa (picture arm around your girl position).

calibrate the controller in the position you are most comfortable in. Bam, playing without being uncomfortable or having to extend your arms.

why do people just write anything without thought or research?
CrazyJ  +   1657d ago
I play with my nav controller on my lap and the move controller resting on the right arm rest of the sofa. I only use my wrist to change the pointing direction similar to a mouse and prefer this setup to a DS3 controller. I still think games like Killzone 3 and Socom have room for improvement but what they have already feels superior to a twin stick controller. Whoever wrote the article at CVG did not put the proper time in with figuring out a good setup to play with the move and get accustomed to it. I actually think a lot of reviewers have failed to do this and dismiss the tech too quickly. It's going to take move players owning standard controller players and a scoreboard that show's who's playing with a move to change their minds.
Raoh  +   1657d ago
and i agree with you. move is not without its flaws. but to say that you have to stand and all that means the writer gave his opinion based on a commercial where you see the gamers standing and waving. the only time i felt the need to stand and wave my arms were for sports champions and fight night.

other than that i play comfortable.

you want a real move review and explanation on how it works? check out iwaggle.
Falaut  +   1657d ago
My only disappointment so far is that I was under the impression that DEad Space 2 was going to use MOve, and it ended up only being for Extraction.

Oh, and the Under Siege delay.
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Raoh  +   1657d ago
yeah, i cant wait for the playstation store to be back up so i can buy under siege.

that game has had it rough, delays, delays, delays, psn being down, delays..

but the more i see more of it the more i want it. I really hope it succeeds so we can see more games like it.
Bell Boy  +   1657d ago
Kilzone 3 is simply amazing with Move, I enjoyed this more than any other FPS in ages for this reason alone...

I was going to pass on Resistance 3 at least this year with so many games flooding in until Move was announced for Day 1..

I purchased Resident Evil 5 on the back of the excellent experience I had during Killzone 3 with Move even though I hated the demo they had at launch.... Move for me made this game and loved every minute of it...

If these quality games mean Move is in trouble then so be it, at least I own and enjoy them..but imo Move real strength is that it can be an option in such hardcore games....
sniddles  +   1657d ago
I got Move for X-mas last year and have to admit, I didn't use it much, felt like that was money well wasted.

UNTIL, I got Killzone 3 and FINALLY got it set up (toggles/sensitivities/crossha irs, etc.)..
NOW, I couldn't imagine playing KZ3 without move and don't play it with DS3. The feel of nailing some hig that you've been tracking with a headshot INSTANTLY is just too much to ignore...

P.S., don't use any crosshair support w/ KZ3, just turn it to none, complete control and pinpoint accuracy, love it.

It just takes some getting used to, and finding your preferences (which i do admit took WAY WAY TOO LONG)... It's not all laid out for you, which i'm sure is what most regular folks need these days.

After that, there's no going back. Move's usefulness in FPS games cannot be understated, gives an immense satisfaction more than just having your thumb on a stick...

I hope they stick with it and don't abandon it, b/c i am a Move believer now, when i wasn't before
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Bell Boy  +   1657d ago
but according to the article you should hate Move as your forced to stand up to play

Muppets trying to spread any old FUD they can
Raoh  +   1657d ago
i give you credit, i'm not ready to turn off the cross hair with move yet.

that's pretty hardcore, but your not the first person to say so, so i think i really need to try it that way.
Regulator  +   1657d ago
Oh it's CVG nothing to see here, they are always trollin PS3. I was sent a PM by a mod over there that I would be banned if I kept defending PS3 on their site.

True story.
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jack_burt0n  +   1657d ago

Same crappy worthless staff.
jack_burt0n  +   1657d ago
In little china.

=its awesome.
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diehardgamer1000  +   1657d ago
why is MOVE being singled out wen KINECT doesnt even hv any note-worthy games?
dragon82  +   1657d ago
Because we need to hit our quota of "SONY IS DOOMED!!!" articles for the day. :P
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