What’s emerging, however, is the turning of public opinion against Anonymous. Before the Playstation episode, the public viewed Anonymous with a reserved curiosity, awe, and support.
Well it turned anonymous against anonymous so id imagine so ye.
yeah i rememeber i was the one who posted it on N4G and for no reason it became failed because People said it had nothing to do with Gaming which i found Completedly Wrong it had to do with gaming.
there seems to be alot of ppl out there that attack up and coming websites and attempt to fail their articles on here soley for the purpose of spite.
As the old saying goes, choose your enemies. Anon didn't. And so people have turned against them.
@ares21al A lot of these "up and coming" websites get attacked because the majority of them produce garbage that nobody wants to read. Not to mention their lack of professionalism and their tendency towards producing flamebait articles designed at luring in fanboys for hits. If you do not know how to properly spell or punctuate then you should just stop pretending to be a "video games journalist."
@Uncharted3Goty Yep! this is the article: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/0... Most of people turn their opinion against anon, even more now after the "group" attacked Eidos for no reason: http://krebsonsecurity.com/...
Nope, I still have the same opinion. This was a lesson for sony, I'm pretty sure sony will think twice before trying to go after hackers again.
That's great KingElixir. You're like the old pedophile in the neighborhood everyone hates and wants to murder for the sake of their children. Let me reword your sentence for the sake of all us troll-haters at N4G. "I had sex with that child, I'm pretty sure those girl scouts will think twice before coming to my door to sell cookies in their own neighborhood!" It's the same thing as piracy: "I pirated that game because they put on DRM that takes me 1 minute to fill out, I'm pretty sure those companies won't think of putting DRM on my game to protect their franchise from pirates!" Fail/troll is what it is. Hypocritical bullshit.
The problem with turning against "anonymous" is that "anonymous" is a bunch of random people who claim to be "anonymous." So while some of them might claim to really not be involved, the others who ARE involved are probably just laughing because they don't care.
Can someone tell me what the difference between hacking/modding a ps3 and hacking/modding/upgrading a Pc?
You're allowed to mod or upgrade a PC. Not hacking it, in the actual sense of the word 'hack.' You signed up to a user agreement, and, simply put, you gave your word to obey the rules of your console's manufacturer, whether it be Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo or Sega... When you violate them, you have in effect broken your word, unless you have also broken the law at the same time, as sadly these user agreements are not legally binding, strictly speaking. And, when you hack not the PS3, but the PSN... You are not only risking your console's ability to function properly, but every console's ability.
It's not quite that simple Red Dead. For some really stupid reason there are two forms of hacking which share the same name. One is to modify a device via hardware software to make it perform in way that were never intended by the manufacturer. For instance you could add a microchip that would make the device more powerful or would circumvent security measures on that device so pirated games can be played on a console. The other form of hacking is to remotely break into a system and access it's database structure via the uses of a network, such as the internet. For instance, some kid in his mother's basement manages to connect to a server across the world and download everyone's personal information onto his PC and then attempt to blackmail that company which backfires and splits a notorious group who errornously thought they were untracable.
Well for one, when you are hacking/modding/upgrading your PC, you are not breaking into the kernel of the Windows OS(which you do not own, you only have a license to use it) to manipulate it
Colmshan1990 & RedDragan explain it well, but I would like to add my take on it ~ You buy/own the hardware but lease/use the software. Example - Certain types of people like to compare the PS3 to a George Foreman Grill (as an immature Jab/Slight) so I will use that to describe what I mean. When you buy a George Foreman Grill it is a piece of hardware and that is no different than a PS3. The difference between the 2 is Software. The George Foreman Grill does not have Software. The PS3 does. And you agree to the terms of using the software in addition to owning the hardware. Something the George Foreman Grill does not have. You don't own the software as it is the company's Intellectual Property that you are allowed to use, that is if you agree to use it the way they offer it (of which you agree to abide by). Now you can HACK a PS3 to your hearts content but you don't get the "right" to use their services as well (PSN, PS Store etc). You can MOD a PS3 (say to add more fans to keep it cooler) and all that will do is violate the warranty but you would still be able to use the service as you are not modifying IT in anyway. Thus you are still complaint. There are more points to the discussion but with the comments provided so far I think any reasonable, educated & mature person would get the gist of the meaning/answer.
I definitely don't like them.
Attacking a brand which people liked does turn people. The problem is everyone forgets after a while about the attacks/activities they do/involved in 2 Activities 2.1 Habbo raids 2.2 Hal Turner raid 2.3 Chris Forcand arrest 2.4 Project Chanology 2.5 Epilepsy Foundation forum invasion 2.6 Defacement of SOHH and AllHipHop websites 2.7 No Cussing Club 2.8 YouTube porn day 2.9 2009 Iranian election protests 2.10 Operation Didgeridie 2.11 Operation Titstorm 2.12 Operations Payback, Avenge Assange, and Bradical 2.13 Operation Leakspin 2.14 Zimbabwe 2.15 Operation Tunisia 2.16 Attack on Fine Gael website 2.17 Operation Egypt 2.18 Attack on HBGary Federal 2.19 Purported threat against the Westboro Baptist Church 2.20 2011 Wisconsin protests 2.21 2011 Bank of America document release 2.22 Operation Sony (from Wikipedia). This recent breach may not be anonymous and of course they are trying to say they have no involvement because of PR damage but it is too late. But wait a couple of months and everyone would have forgotten until they attack another high profile target
i am sure these is not the last time we will hear anonymous attacking a Gaming Company.
I am predicting that XBOXlive will be next. And they will do that to show off that they can attack any gaming network including a closed one.
I greatly doubt they'd attack M$.
"Many started with footage of children's videos before groups of adults performing graphic sex acts appeared on screen." They targeted children as well as Youtube http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/...
Some of those attacks are truly disgusting. I hope the FBI manages to catch some of those Ops leaders, because they deserve prison time. The Epilepsy Foundation attack organisers barely deserve a trial.
many of these attacks are on a political level and may cause political unrest and various problems on an international level, i was unaware of these until now. they need to be stopped in the interest of the American people, the gamers, all big companies and the safety of anyone in the internet. especially when it come to things like Iranian election protests , causing a commotion would most definitely spark a war. it seems like the psn outrage did not hurt Sony at all but instead backfired at anon and worsened their image.
And dare i say...free speech anyone? Afterall its not like these guys lie... http://e-mpire.com/content/... oh wait.
you forgot to post: -posting pedophile shit on 4chan -harrassing underage girls online
Never understood how they were fighting 'for the gamers'. Attacking a service that millions of gamers use doesn't help anything.
They put their penis in the bee hive. First it was only the PS3 fanboys who were against them, now everybody is against these 14 year old middle class nerds. They lost this battle, probably this action forever damaged their image, f*ck anonymous nerds
I def think it did.
I honestly believe the PSN attack was a bad move on the part of anonymous, It at first worked for them but, the length of the outage hurt gamers not Sony, they now have public sympathy
i 100 percent agree i am sure the supporters who Ever they where because who can support these guys dont support them any more and dont care about them.
There are tons that agree on the live chat im on atm
i think the length of the downtime backfired and they won't be doing it again. anon should stick to finding pedophiles and getting them arrested. those were the good days.
It hurt them for sure. Not only with the public, but internally as well. They are now in-fighting and it's clear that not everyone is in agreement on what tactics they should take.
Ah hah we got an Anon supporter here. Everyone attack and eliminate him. LOL kidding but you shouldn't leave Hmmmm... as a reply to this type of article. Anyways what you posted wasnt a reply.
Of course I am sorry. No "Hmmmm...'s" allowed :)
Nope because it really isnt a reply and it really doesnt mean anything.
You are not allowed to have an opinion in topics like this. Either make death threats against Anon or don't say anything at all.
Hmmmm Hmmm... Finger lickin good.
i hope the FBI and SONY find those bunch of super nerds and lock them in jail for lifetime and make them pay for what they did... anonymous my ass....
They probably wont be doing any basement dwelling anytime soon with the FBI and other organizations looking for them.
Even Homeland Security are in on this.
As they saying goes: "It's all fun and hacktivism untill someone has their IP adresses tracked and their doors kicked in by homeland security - then presented to supreme court."
"Before the Playstation episode, the public viewed Anonymous with a reserved curiosity, awe, and support" Umm, I don't remember any of those things. I remember a lot of basement jokes. I don't think that qualifies as "awe."
Well, intially I had no opinion on Anon - figured they were doing their own cyper thing and didn't bother to care. After this,however, I'm not exactly crazy about them. So yep. MY opinion on Anon, for one, went from none at all, to very negative.
Did anyone actually support them? i thought everyone already thought they we're douchbags.
sony got what they deserved. Now leave hackers alone and stick to making exclusives.
WTF are you 2 taken. Leave the hackers alone WTF get the beep out of here.
pathetic human beings...
Can't believe people like you are still saying this crap. Sony learned it's lesson? More like I hope Anon learned the consequences of their action and the hate they have brought down on themselves. They deserve to go to prison for the lives they messed up. The consumers, the developers, the employees and everyone who had to clean up their mess. And you think that Sony out of all people is the one that should learn a lesson from this? How about we learned not to trust or encourage any of these hacker [email protected]$$es and they are not in this for us but themselves? WE paid the price for encouraging them and giving them money instead of telling them to go to hell. If we all told them we didn't care instead of stabbing Sony in the back every second and running around insisting the criminals had the right to do what they wanted. People like you and news4geeks are partly to blame for this mess. Your still defending the criminals even after all they put us through? How stupid can you be?
The only lesson Sony has learned throughout this whole deal is that they need better security. Other than that? The search is just starting to get intense now that the network is back online as bait for these groups egos to get the best of them, and ultimately lead them to getting caught one at a time. Based on current and recent reception i say anonymous has learned more lessons than Sony has. And one of those is clearly, that messing with consumers interest is not a good idea. Now go home and fade into the shadows like geohotz and them other fame whores that plague the internet. "Sigh, what a bunch of Parasites we have around these days, such filth must be eradicated from the face of the planet"
I honestly wish the hackers would...just die.
Everyone is blaming Anonymous even though they haven't claimed to be the authors of the atack. In fact, they aren't exactly what we would call a conventional organisation since they are basically anonymous people, anonymous as in whoever wants to join in as one. Anyone could have done it and anyone could have said they did it in the name of Anonymous. All in all it's the same old story... Someone hacked the PSN. Sony made it easy with the lack of proper security measures and they took ages to get their services back online (failing on their anounced estimated time of "maintenance"), take that as you will.
Your just as ignorant as all the rest. Sony has proof it was Anon. Where is your proof that it wasn't them? Oh that's right, you don't have any. You only have the word of a faceless, unreasonable group whose very organization is chaotic. They are even turning on themselves. You just keep saying it's might not be them but there is NO proof it wasn't. So guess what? In reality if you said you are going to do something and it happens and you have no proof it's not you, guess whose going to prison? And to further you ignorance your still repeating the same crap that Sony's security was lax WITHOUT proof. And please don't site the 4 month old evidence the security expert claimed he had. You will just look even more ignorant.
There was no solid evidence of anything except for a mark on their system reading "Anonymous", in fact that is why official investigations are still on-going to trace the leaked information and respective hackers. Official sources have recognised that there was a lack of proper encryption on the personal information of the clients which makes things way less secure. This isn't ignorance, it's good sense and pure factual evidence. Calling anonymous a group per say is quite incoerent, as I have said they are everyone and no one, they are whoever decides to join the cause on the specific moment. With that kind of functionality we can't label an anonymous group, we can't blame them like a specific group, you might aswell call it anarchy and we can't treat anarchy as an organisation. And I will say it once more. There is no solid evidence on the autor of the hack. The so called file with the name "Anonymous" can't be said to be solid evidence. Anyone could have done it, anyone could have used this to mislead people. Right now this is the equivalent of accusing anyone and no one, pure rage and crossfire. PS: Saying that one has done something doesn't make it the truth and not always does it make it enough for a propper trial.
@ Tigerfist. They also have the motive and the resourses. If you said that you were going to murder someone and the person gets murdered shortly after, whose door do you think they will be kicking down and dragging to lock up? We all heard them say they were going to attack Sony with something big and then this happened. And now your going to sit there and tell me all this garbage with no proof or motive? I am not sure what planet you live on but if you have a smoking gun in your hand and can't explain why you have it, it will be you to blame. All your claims about Anon are speculation and you have NOTHING to back it up. The amount of evidence is irrelevant. If I find a hair from your head at a crime scene, it's still more then you claiming 'I didn't do it' BTW. If you have a name and ideals you ARE a group. That is what makes Anon so dangerous and stupid. Anyone could do anything in your name and you can't deny you have nothing to do with it. How can you prove you didn't approve it in the first place?
This is not a smoking gun, this is not a hair sample. This is pure speculation and you are trying to justify it with straw man arguments. My point is we can't know for sure who did it and neither is our job to do it. We can't judge things by such rudimentary toughts, and that is why there are courts, laws, lawyers and investigators, true professionals to the job. And you can't call Anonymous a group. Just as they say, they are everyone and no one. There are no specific ideals, no hierarchy, no nothing. Someone suggests a cause out of random, random people choose to support that cause and out of nothing random protests come to life. It is nothing but pure anarchy and chaos.
Shouldn't they at least be done for incitement?
Anonymous. So you want to hide behind a handle - not willing to show your face. Now why is that? Because you don't want to answer tough questions? If you do what is right you don't need to hide behind a mask.
Sony: Just as planned.gif
I'm pretty sure they know that gamers want anonymous to stop attacking Sony even before the first attack. Anonymous said they don't intend to hurt gamers but only Sony yet there attacks r affecting both of groups. I think Anonymous will be attacking Sony once again, that is if they can break through their new security. But there gonna stop until they reach their goal.
Minute and hour they turned there adtention to gamers and there home consoles. Opinions should have changed simple as that. I hackers either way. But thing is for the adults here we game. But we also put them PS3s under are kids Christmas Trees come Christmas. So they ain't just hitting out at us they are hitting out at are kids aswell. They no better than a pack of peadofiles imo. Why people give them the time on earth in these Articles i don't know.
It definatly ruined their reputation. The problem is not only millions of gamers going offline, but the reason they did it. They did this to protect Geohot, a hacker who wanted to introduce widespread cheating and pirating on the console. So basically they did this to support a cheater and a criminal. Anonymous : fail.
"Before the Playstation episode, the public viewed Anonymous with a reserved curiosity, awe, and support." We DID? Who lied to you?
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