From CNET: "What do you think? With the Xbox 360's reliability problems, is $400 the magic price point for the PS3 and its built-in Blu-ray player? Or are the games what matter in the end (i.e., Halo 3, BioShock, and the upcoming Mass Effect)?
There's more to this than price. Ultimately it takes games. But Sony's finally gotten the ball rolling on software, so I expect great things. I think the market has already proven that $399 is a sweet spot for people to buy if there are games available to play.
Uncharted Ratchet & Clank Heavenly Sword Folklore Lair. Thats plenty for the holiday season.
but up against the big guns from MS it is not enough. and I wouldn't advertise lair... and they are advertising heavenly sword. people still don't see it as a games console, they need much more, and they need a big gun or two FAST. unfortunately GTAIV, FFXIII, and MGS4 are not due out till next year.
I don't think $399 is a sweet spot. Still to this day I run into people still with PS2's and they won't get a 360 because $350 is still to much for a console, even though they really do want one. I believe $399 is what the market will bear but I still don't think it is a widely accepted price range for a console. It will help the PS3 a lot. But I still think this generation won't see the bulk of it's sales until Sony and MS get around that $199-$250 mark with the 40gig and Premium...(not the Arcade pack)
i agree, and a good illustration of that is how well the PS2 continues to sell. for the casual gamer/families, the price isn't right yet on either console for people that don't care so much about "next gen". when i urged a coworker that loves halo to get a 360 he just laughed, until the price drops he's happy with his xbox.
I don't think advertising Lair is bad at all. Lair comes across in video as an awesome game. If people buy it and buy a PS3 for it, they won't figure out it sucks until after they have the PS3. ;)
better read the NPD sales figures for hardware and software sales for September!!!!!!!!! PS3 remain at best 2nd.
they need to put more commercials and educate the consumer on what the ps3 is
their are enough games out now and around the corner to satisfy just about anyone or to at least hold them over till the High Profile releases such as FFXIII & MGS4 are released. People forget that the 360 Premium debuted at $399 and it didn't have any great games for awhile either yet it still sold at that price point. So why are so many people doubting if the $399 PS3 will sell? Also the whole backwards compatibility thing is not a big deal people that bought the 360 core don't have b. c. unless they upgraded and purchased the hard drive for $100 more. Also I'm sure their are many people out there that have Home Theaters that will be looking at this as the lowest priced system that plays blu-ray with many media capabilities. People have wondered if this price point is enough to get gamers to purchase but they have forgotten about the people that just want low priced blu-ray functionality to play High Def movies. I don't know the ratio but lets say out of 10 million 360 owners 8 million have the premium which they bought at $399 well if 5-6 million people already bought the PS3 at the higher price point where do you think the PS3 will be in a year from when the 40GB is released on Nov. 2nd?
Most consumers bought PS2 when it was around the $199 price. This is the spot where mass market "purchasing" comes in. Both the Xbox 360 and the Nintendo Wii are closer to this price. Not to mention the games catalogue for 360 is much more robust than the lineup of games for the PS3. Well known IP's are what push consoles, not new IP's. Just look at how Halo 3 has pushed 360s for the month of September. The same will happen when Super Mario Galaxy is released for the Wii. Price and "games catalogue" are what matter. Not just price alone. All the new IP's that were supposed to push PS3 sales have not.
Why do I get the impression that if Sony dropped the price of the PS3 to $199 people would be calling them desperate
it's getting to the point now that everything sony does is being met with "they're desperate", even if that's not the case. MS would drop the price down there anyways if sony did, like they will inevitably drop the price because of the moves by sony. in this industry, the first move is always desperation while the second is reactionary.
I agree. But just let me say: New IPS are what create established IPS. I think, not only are new IPS like Bioshock, Mass Effect, Heavenly Sword, Uncharted, Assassin's Creed and Rockband important...They're essential to the future of the industry. I certainly don't want to be a gamer in a world where every game is a sequel, or based off the same old character (Primarily the same reason why I left the Nintendo camp). I give you permission to call me a hypocrite because I'm buying Ratchet and Clank: FToD, MGS4, Guitar Hero 3, and I'm looking forward to the third God of War, all of which have "The same old characters (Gameplay in Guitar Hero 3's case)". People can say Lair sucked, but at least they were attempting something new with an experimental control scheme.(It's just too bad that something new turned out to be all their old games wrapped up in dragons skins with bad controls)
at the higher price point and with no Huge releases, competition from Wii and 360, negative media attention, barely any marketing. But you think $399 is not enough?
So the 360 has more games, the only game I would buy if I had a 360 would be Gears of War. I played Bioshock and it is not that great at all, trust me on this PS3 owners. 360 owners add Bioshock in there cause it got high ratings and the people that havn't played don't know any better. Please give some games the 360 has that are awesome, I don't care for Halo or Racing games. The Wii is coming out with 4 times the number of games next year then both the 360 and PS3 does that mean the Wii is a better buy?? If the 360 had more great games to play I could see your point but like I said the only game I would buy would be Gears.
Gears is not the only thing on the 360 and everyone knows that. every system has it's strong games. i have 31 games for the 360 and love every one of them. many of them are multiplatform games that i enjoy more on the 360 because of the controller (oblivion, graw2, fear, etc) and sports games (nhl 08, madden 08, mlb2k7, skate) and then some of the exclusive games like bioshock, which is amazing, guitar hero 2 (yes i know it's on ps2), forza2 (despite you not liking racing games), viva pinata (a great $20 game), overlord, etc etc. even some of the cheap older 360 games like condemned and gun are really fun games that you can get for under $20. and there are many, many more games then this. these are just a few of the games i've really enjoyed. the ps3's library is growing and they have some fantastic titles upcoming (i'd trade my left nut to get littlebigplanet now). right now i have warhawk, which i freaking love, and sigma. i had resistance and traded it for NG, and rented and went through heavenly sword. but since i tend to go to the 360 for all of the multiplatform games, that's all i have. sony's library will eventually become massive and entertaining, but for now don't try to disparage the 360's lineup just because you don't like MS or whatever retarded bias you have. gears is just one cog in an amazing lineup of games.
if anything I'd say Gears of War isn't all that, Bioshock is though. Sure Gears is pretty but the gameplay is awful!! I'm about to give it a second chance once I wrap up Blue Dragon but as of right now, IMHO Gears of War is hardly anything special. Kill.Switch was a much better game mechanically... The fact of the matter is that both consoles have about an equal number of titles worth noting; imo. Then there's obviously the multi platform games that you know will be on both consoles, and are. But when it comes to exclusives the 360 and PS3 are pretty close to even. It's more or less a matter of preference from that standpoint right now...
I don't think it's gonna take over XBOX 360 suddenly, but it's a step in the right direction to get more competitive.
people will buy the system for 400 dollars its a good price sony was still able to sell a good amount of systems at a 600 dollar price point so this is def a good thing and the ps3 def has games coming out this year like ratchet and clank uncharted haze just to name a few exclusives so this should get intresting
Its not enough to beat M$ this Xmas, but its more than enough to hold on and move quite some consoles. The tables will be completly reversed in 2008 when Sony start puting out its own big guns ;) And I mean BIG: MGS4, LBP, Killzone 2, GT5, Tekken 6, Resistance 2, The Getaway 3, Heavy Rain, Afrika, Wardevil, Eight Days, inFamous...and Home. Just to name a few. ;)
to hold people over. and then of course they have resistance, motorstorm, warhawk, rachet (will definetely do well with consumers) and uncharted( these are my favorites this year that are exclusives. so people have that, bluray player, and all the attacthments that you have to buy seperately on the 360 so with that being said, that will hold people till 2008. and not to mention, alot of people, (espicially america) are very ignorant to things. people will just see the word PLAYSTATION and buy it. i know some people that think all the games on ps3 look and play better on ps3. so with that being said, sony has a chance by brand name and then it has europe and japan. espicially with the 40 gig in the top 15 in japan in PRESALES. AND THEN EUROPEANS WILL GET A PS3 THIS CHRISTMAS BECAUSE THERE SINGSTAR IS RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER FOR THEM. SO I THINK PEOPLE COUNT SONY OUT TOO EARLY. also remember that people are gonna buy the ps3 for mgs4 and lbp NOW because they wont have money otherwise. and expect the a 299.99 ps3 on the release of mgs4. sony will do alot to make sure that mgs4 stays exclusive since they dont seem to just pay up
$400 is still too high and is why the 360 did not sell as much as they could have. No one said $400 was cheap for a console people were saying $600 was ridiculous. "Is it time to buy a PS3", the time was durring the first drop of $100. You can post wait till R & C and others all day all console will come out with games. The Wii could be in trouble but both the Wii and the 360 are in a place the PS3 can not go with price. What we'll see from the PS3 cuts is that it will no longer be getting beat by 3 to 1 ratios thats it. 360 hardware issues never really effected sales in the first place and I doubt it will be a problem when the issue is being for the most part fixed. We'll be seeing plenty of these dooms day" PS3 will make some kind of super=natural come back untill the the sales trend out again, just like with the first drop. The only thing thats going to change is both MSFT and Sony will sell more consoles with the cheaper PS3's and the 360 bundles and the other $50 360 price drop but the sales numbers *gaps* will continue.
Its not enough now maybe but more then enough to hold on and come a little bit closer to the 360 now and on the same time move a lot of consoles. Then in 2008 like DE says the table will turn big time. With games like , KZ2 MGS 4, GT5, Resistance 2 , Getaway 3, Rainbow 6 V 2. and so on and so on , and if they feel like it they baby lower the prise then , and if they do,, well you know the rest, 360 will win this year, but next year its the ps3 time to show ho is the king once again .
Doesn't anyone see this as failure on Sony's part like I do??!! I mean not even a year out, and they're already dropping the price range of their system. You don't drop the price of something if it's selling. This is common sense at its best.
drops it price w/e sony lowers the ps3. if you cant compete in the short term, then you cant compete in the long if devs wont develope for you system. sometimes things take more then COMMON SENCE
It's common knowledge that it's not selling. So what's your point? I think the real idiotic move would be to stay at 599$
at least me. I hate how this article continues to promote 360, like sony and nintendo sell nothing. Those games are far off my radar, and millions of other xmas shoppers. It is a joke. If 77k PS3 shoppers and 75k nintendo in europe last week knew damn well those systems had no halo, what is the point of asking buyers motivation?
It can't be free ps3 right?
ps2's are selling good (makin money for them) and obviously the psp is sellin good(makin money) and if people REALLY think about it. has sony really even dropped the price yet? (rhetorical question) ok maybe if you wanna look at the 60 gig and say it was a price drop......GO AHEAD but even microsoft said sony didnt really drop the price. the 80 gig is a new sku NOT A PRICE DROP. the 40 gig is a new sku with less features and CHEAPER to make so thats not really a price drop either. edit: @power of green. ARE YOU STUPID. FIRST OFF, NAME THE THREE PRICE DROPS . SECOND HOW MANY SKU'S HAS MICROSOFT RELEASED. THIRD, your saying microsoft never copied sony. if you watch e3 2005, you would know microsoft said that its IMPOSSIBLE TO REACH 1080P IN GAMES. and sony's basketball game did just that, now microsoft made the elite which can run at 1080p. fourth, YOU JUST GOT OWNED BIT**. so start couting
* 3 price drops in 11 months?. * Releasing SKU's and scraping them only to release another but instead of the newly released Sku being better than the last its stripped down. * Using other companies ideas in "THIS GENERATION"(online services and other multi tast console functions) Is this enough or should I go on, should I get BENZ MONEY to post how Sony's desparate?.
misinformed. *3 price drops? noooo, two. I say this all the time ps1 and ps2 did it too, they weren't desperate. They did pretty good. so did your xbox one did in its first year. *o and the 360 doesn't have multi SKU's?? Its not stripped down geez, it only lost BC and two usb ports. It still peforms the same and doesn't break down the same. lol. * you being a M$ fan have no place to comment on if another company copies after another. I rather them release a SKU with too many features then see what the consumer doesn't want or doesn't need, then take them away, than release a SKU with little features try to convince you that you don't need those features only to realease another SKU at a higher price with those features so if someone just got a new SKU they would have a better one than you which forces you to go buy another one getting more of your $$$$$$ face it now that the ps3 is 399.99 and its really cheaper than a 360 since you don't have to pay for online or batteries, or a wireless controller or an SKU with hdMI, or add wi-fi or add the a HD-DVD drive thats soo much "better" than blu-ray. PS3 is the better deal now. In early 2008 they will have more than enough great games. Keep up the damage control.lol
But how on earth can you criticize any other company for apparently stealing others' ideas without first criticizing Microsoft. I don't loath Microsoft, but they've always been the ones to be like "hey, there's a good idea, let's try that too" -- Windows OS, Vista, Zune, XBox, and now that new iPhone clone that they filed a patent for. I mean, I understand everything can't be original, but don't start pointing fingers without pointing at MS first. Not to mention the fact that having an online gaming platform is hardly what I would call stealing ideas.
So the 360 has more games, the only game I would buy if I had a 360 would be Gears of War. I played Bioshock and it is not that great at all, trust me on this PS3 owners. 360 owners add Bioshock in there cause it got high ratings and the people that haven't played don't know any better. Please give some games the 360 has that are awesome, I don't care for Halo or Racing games. The Wii is coming out with 4 times the number of games next year then both the 360 and PS3 does that mean the Wii is a better buy?? If the 360 had more great games to play I could see your point but like I said the only game I would buy would be Gears.