NowGamer: "Reckons 'Sony's strategy was heavy handed'. A global IT security expert has this morning stated that "Sony could learn a few lessons from Microsoft" amid the current PSN crisis."
I fail to see the connection between the two. Move on.
Well of course there's a connection, they're both online networks.
@kayla yes we never used to have online gaming on consoles but now it's standard and i've got at least 2 games I really want to be playing online on my ps3 right now and can't
MS are pro in the Software dept and Sony are pro in the Hardware dept, guess both can learn one from each other...
Really? Honestly though do you really think Mircosoft's or Nintendo's online security is any tighter than Sony's. I am doubtful. Likely all 3 will be certain to beef up security in some way after this. I still say Geohot, and Annon are responsible. They draw alot of attention to themselves and someone else says hmm... maybe I can go under the radar get some cash and fly their flag when/if I am caught.
Yeah, I can see that. MS being a victim of constant security breaches for years has experience how to handle loopholes. That's for sure. Patch it up every other day. Ever took a look into your Windows update history?
So let me get this straight ~ Sony can learn from Microsoft when LIVE! has had not only the same issues with breaches, but WAAAY more & frequent outages PLUS Microsoft has probably the worlds most pirated & technically insecure software with WINDOWS!?!?! Uhm...yeah...sure...that makes sooo much sense. /rollseyes
one keeps in touch with their customers and is secure, one isn't
And you need to keep in touch with reality.
the reality? not being told the situation about my data on PSN for a week. that's the situation and i'm jersey shore about it
@zeksta Reality? well in "reality" one is down and the other isn't. PSN is going to be down for 6 more days, thats reality. @tdrules both MS and Sony keep in touch with their customers. To say Sony doesn't care about the people that make them money is... well.
One nickel and dimes you by forcing you to pay for a service that comes on every other console for free while the other doesn't. Don't even try to start with the "you get what you pay for" bull because it can just as easily happen to XBL as it did PSN.
"one keeps in touch with their customers and is secure, one isn't" Sure as hell didn't keep in touch when my 1st batch system console went down, until AFTER the lawsuit. >_> Now i'm waiting to see people knee-jerk as to which company I speak of.
"it can just as easily happen to XBL as it did PSN." It already did. XBL was down for a week or so a while ago (over Christmas last year or something). And nobody demanded from MS to come up why. Regular maintenance for all we know.
Confused as to why I've been disagreed with so much? Were all the agrees PS3 fans and the disagrees Xbox fans? If so, I like both formats. Just saying that these comparisons do nothing but provoke flame wars, which are retarded and needless really. Bring on the disagrees.
Saying that is all well and good but in circumstances where your games service is being taken over by hackers sonys "heavy handed" actions were the correct ones to take
Yup, I fail to see how "expert" this person is making claims like that, except having a company named after himself.
I know, the first thing I noticed was the fact that this guy was full enough of himself to name his company after himself
He didn't even say why they could learn from MS. Just tossed out a name.
What idiots, so allow these low life scum basement dwellers to blackmail large corporations then. Idiots! If you think Sony was heavy handed wait for the next round.
ofcourse they could almost any company could, microsoft is a software giant so it makes since and the same is true microsoft c ould learn from son in making hard ware reliable etc.....they should work together! best software and best hardware = gamers win
No thanx, if anything I want ms to learn how to bring us more exclusives for the hardcore, could give a sh1t about being hacked because i use $20 psn cards instead of credit cards, its the safest way to go. Edit: B!tch slap me? lol not my fault their willing to really think psn or xbl is trustworthy of your credit card password. If your smart u would use psn or xbl cards instead. And u act like xbl is hackerproof,coming from a 360 fanboy such as yourself, lachance lol. Dont make me laugh or ill b1tch slap u & the rest of those who follow u.
@clintos59... I hope you understand that a credit card has less value when compared with your personal information. Personal info can lead to identity theft, loans being purchased in your name. Trust me I have no problem with Sony, I have a bravia TV, I used to have a vaio laptop and I am thinking about buying the sony tablet, but the fact that personal information is not secure will always be in the back of my mind. MS actually have bought multiplayer to consoles, xbox live is the pioneer of it, every PSN fan will say p2p etc...But xbox live hasnt lost details has it? If security experts around the world agree Sony F'd up big time, and many countries are investigating these breaches Sony have done something wrong. Geohot "Sony needs to accept that they no longer own and control the PS3 when they sell it to you. Notice it's only PSN that gave away all your personal data, not Xbox Live when the 360 was hacked, not iTunes when the iPhone was jailbroken, and not GMail when Android was rooted. Because other companies aren't crazy.”
with online networks sony need to learn from all the other company....expecially from microsoft...this time..
I just love how dumb people get, less I check 360 was hacked more then once and both were pretty bad an ended with Microsoft being sued. In this case, Sony did everything that can and they are going after the hackers (Unlike Microsoft that just bans your account or system). So Sony has nothing to learn from any of the companys, because only a dumb person would think the internet is a 100% safe.
@Neko_Mega Yes the xbox has been hacked in a number of ways, even xbox live has been hacked. But xbox live has not leaked any personal info ever, the PSN has. Sony didnt let anyone know for a week. You need to get your head out of the sand, Sony dont understand the concept that there is always someone better, they should have done what MS did with kinect, embrace the hackers so they are happy to mess with the equipment but not the service. Now look, you cant put your ps3 online and have lost personal data..Im in the same boat my Personal details are somewhere tooo but MS didnt lose them...Sony did
You seem to not know then, why do you think people sued Microsoft? Because their information was taken.
i think all these companies need to learn from this experience to take better steps in protecting our information. no ones security is better than the other. but what they need to do is start investing more money and man power in preventing this from happening again. this should be a leason to ALL COMPANIES
NO thanks,I'm happy with Sony doing it's own thing and not following either Microsoft or Nintendo.Now that we know that our Credit Card info is safe,why are people even approving these nonsensical articles ?
Read the article, please.
Sugreev ..lol where u read that r safe?!?!?! lol they admit that they dont know... "Q: Was my credit card data taken? A: While all credit card information stored in our systems is encrypted and there is no evidence at this time that credit card data was taken, we cannot rule out the possibility. If you have provided your credit card data through PlayStation Network or Qriocity, out of an abundance of caution we are advising you that your credit card number (excluding security code) and expiration date may have been obtained. Keep in mind, however, that your credit card security code (sometimes called a CVC or CSC number) has not been obtained because we never requested it from anyone who has joined the PlayStation Network or Qriocity, and is therefore not stored anywhere in our system." this sound to me 50% and 50%...and they could not admit that they r sure they lose everything....but if u listen the other side ...(hackers log) u will see how they talk about ..this...and im pretty sure they get it.. go to explain this man personal information +card number is a easy way to reproduce a fake one..and said also that that "SECURE CODE" called cvc or csv is a 3..or 4 digit number...a progammer of 3 years old can make it try....001 to 999 ...or lol 0001 to 9999............please stop with this ignorance... https://support.swishzone.c... and after u lose your personal information (and thats sure that u did)..u r still happy with this...lol...this is really great .......lol
PEOPLE, why don't you read the ARTICLE?!?! It's about that Sony could learn from MS and Nintendo on how to deal with hackers, instead of suing a young kid and bringing a "nuke option" - counter attack onto themselves. Sony did just what USA does around the World, attacking poor people in order to keep getting richer, look at the mess it brought onto them, 9/11, terrorism, restricting freedoms etc... Sony should have known better. Violence produces more violence.
Dont bother dude. N4G rules No.5 - Most users only read the first few words of the headline and comment. For examples MS is better than Sony Trolls - WTF,GTFO,Nah ah... Full article - MS is better than Sony at making PC Operating Systems.
rule 34 of the internet
Can I ask a question? Why is it that whenever this topic comes up it is Sony that handled it poorly? The hackers went out, stole from them, broke their security and boasted about it while posting how to hack the PS3 online. And when they retaliated they gave everyone else the keys letting every potential lowlife in. So I want to know what they should have done differently. Should they have rolled over so every two bit criminal would know that they can get anything by force? Should they have given the extortionist Geohot a job after he threatened them? Should they have given in to cyber terrorism from Anon and do what they said? They did ban people but they took it a step further to show all the potential hackers they weren't playing around. When you stand up to cowardly bullies you can expect to take a hit or two but it's better then cowering in a corner hoping they won't hurt you.
MS would be just as vunerable as Sony if hackers targetted them too. The xbox360 dvd drive has already been hacked so u can play pirated games on them so the next step is xbox live for hackers if they feel pissed off at MS one day just out of spite. The Wii has been hacked too so u can play pirated games on that as well. Its just that MS and nintendo havent been targetted like Sony has by hackers to harm their business and their customers. It was below the belt and i hope Sony come down on them with the full force of the law for what the hackers did.
No no no...Sony can never be stronger than hackers. There are many hackers and their motivation is beyond any that Sony could buy from other hackers to protect them. Especially since they'd be fighting against their kind. So...no full force and such things, no more violence and vengeance. Sony needs to learn that hackers have higher IQ than the tenfold of Sony's managers combined. And that they can be very valuable friends. Just don't mess with them and find a way to coexist happily like many other companies do. Hackers mean no harm, they're smarter than that. Their motivation wasn't to steal people's money. They attacked because Sony sued Geohot, a kid who hacked the console and enabled the poor to also play video games (a Robin Hood kind of hero).
***Just don't mess with them and find a way to coexist happily like many other companies do. *** So, essentially, cave in to terrorist threats? Yeah, no thanks.
I can see that the author is the same type of person who would bow down to terrorists and thugs... As long as they aren’t hurting me is his motto. He would look the other way while you are being mugged, because he would not want to confront the attackers, it might cause them to start a fight.... Grow a pair and stand up for what is right. Sony did everything I expect them to do as a customer.
But, you see...from the Arab perspective, USA is the thug who came to THEIR land to steal THEIR oil. Arabs didn't come to USA to steal your fresh water and chop your forests. So, the terrorists are seen as heroes and Americans as the thugs in the rest of the World. It's just that you're brainwashed and your perception is skewed because you're influenced by one-sided media. Terrorism wouldn't even be there in the first place if USA didn't make enemies. The same is with Sony. @Masterchef2007 below: No, I'm not. I'm rich enough to buy my games but I think the poor also should be able to play games, read books, watch movies and listen to music. Just let it be hacked and do your stuff like it's always been (PS1, PS2, Xbox, Wii). Also, terrorism is always an answer to bullying and violence of strongers against the weakers. I'm not pro terrorism, I'm against bullying which produces terrorism. In my comments I'm advocating a stop to the bullying and if there were no bullying there would be no terrorism. So I don't get it how could you possibly think that I'm pro terrorism if I'm advocating a way to make it not exist at all. How can one be a supporter to something that he says shouldn't exist? It's like you said "I think we should kill chickens because I want the World free of eggs" And then I come and reply to your post and say you're a huge supporter of eggs :D Learn some logic and work on your IQ a bit.
I can see from your posts that your a huge supporter of cyberterrorism.
***So, the terrorists are seen as heroes and Americans as the thugs in the rest of the World.*** No they're not. They're booth equally reviled. ***Terrorism wouldn't even be there in the first place if USA didn't make enemies.*** Terrorism is in place as long as someone disagrees with them and has better technology and a bigger army than they do. You act as if terrorists only attack Americans. Most terrorist attacks are against people from their own country, FYI, not against those from other countries.
How is America stealing Arab Oil? I could be wrong but I think it is sold on the open market... by Arab countries. I don't condone everything government has done but I will stand up for what is right regardless of how it started. As for being brainwashed... I think it is you who lacks the whole picture.
Learn from M$? Didn't M$'s console get hacked not only far earlier, but on many more occasions also? Resulting in xboxlive outage during 2 weeks in 2008? I'd rather Sony don't learn anything from M$, especially not the charging-gamers-a-monthl y-fee-to-play-games-they-legit i mately-bought-on-their-console - they-also-legitimately-bought- w ith-their-Internet-connection- t hey-also-pay-a-monthly-fee-for part, thanks.
looky here, more ps3fanboy ignorance. XBL went down (for some people) in 2007 because it had TOO MANY USERS. it overloaded the servers with too many logins at once. now, in your feeble mind that might mean a "hack" but its not. same with the Phishing scams that people fall for through social networking, yet again i say "not a hack". shit, I bet you consider downloading movies illegally off the net "hacking".
Hes not talking about the christmas outage.Yes Live has been hacked to.However MS has improved security since then but its still not enough.It will never be enough every online system in the world is able to be hacked.
@Blad3star They have plenty of ad space they can sell to bring in revenue to pay for security.PSN will remain free this gen and the next.
"Taking a baseball bat to a hornet’s nest is never an advisable strategy, Sony’s strategy in defending its intellectual property was heavy handed and has triggered the “nuclear option” with those that it engaged. Perhaps Sony could learn a few lessons from Microsoft in how it has handled Xbox 360 and Kinect intellectual property." Priceless.
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