This week’s PlayStation Network drama continues to get worse, as an Australian gamer points the finger at Sony in what might be the first documented case of fraud related to the unauthorised intrusion.
"Including domestic flights within Australia, bookings at Best Westerns [hotels] and what not.” Can't they get this guy then? I mean there are cameras and such at airports aren't there so at least they should have an idea of what he looks like right? Also $2000 sounds like a lot for a hacker to use after such a short time.
Exactly. There's also the question of whether or not the PSN hackers are based in Australia - and if they're not, why they are booking local flights and hotels in that country.
The method of fraud suggest that they only have a few numbers because of the large amount. Otherwise smaller amounts from multiple accounts would have been used. It could also be just to ruin Sony. I know conspiracy but hear me out. 2000 on domestic flights when the bank believe it to come from America sounds really odd. Seams like there just burning this guys money. It could also be a coincidence
We need L from Death note :D!!
The guy probably got caught with ridiculous charges on his credit card bill by his wife and now he's blaming Sony.
Since obviously common sense doesnt kick in to 12 year old N4G users you would have never assumed that the PSN hacker sold the card's details to an organized group... Also the credit card details were not encrypted even the hackers said it in their chatlog and showed how the PS3 read it and sent it fully unencrypted...
If the hacker was smart enough to hack the PSN and get CC info then surely they would be smart enough to know not to spend a big amount of money using someone elses card in such a short space of time...
HSX9 please link us. I really want a confirmed artcle for CC theft . I want it to be spelled out for me so we can make sure not to have Jargon. please link us . I also want to know how you know this as fact and not the rest of the world. With the wya things are being done with Journalist on this topic i am very skeptical that something so proven like you say hasn;t been put on BBC/NBC/CNN yet didn't sony themselves say the CC info was encrypted? Are they lying or are you just reading and believing the first thing you hear? Please respond i want a nice conversation full of facts not name calling and propaganda.
The fact that the charges are all in Australia makes it even LESS likely it has anything to do with the PSN issue. Unless the hacker just happened to be Australian, AND on top of that, of the millions upon millions of credit card numbers he'd have if CC data WAS stolen, he'd just happen to pick a fellow Aussie's card? Unlikely. More likely it was either stolen from a local Aussie website, or when he used it in a restaurant or something. Stealing credit card info offline is MUCH easier than getting it via hacking. People like to whine and moan about online CC security, but in reality, we risk our CC security EVERY SINGLE TIME we hand our credit card to someone in a retail store or restaurant. Even if they only hold it for a few seconds, someone who is even marginally good at memorizing numbers can easily get all the info. That's where the vast majority of fraud originates. Finding someone's address is a mundane task.
So far I've heard issues in: America Germany Australia This guy sure can travel
70 + million accounts thats alot. Even if this didnt happen im sure many of them get hit with cc fraud. This maybe the cause but lets not jump to conclusions if a few people claim cc fraud, it happens alot already. If you take even 10 million random people i wonder what the % who have cc fraud going on recently.
You're right, I guarantee Sony gets at least a few calls every day about someone having fraudulent charges. Visa and Mastercard, have far more calls every day. What are the chances that just a few of those callers own a PS3? Of course, they're going to automatically link their fraudulent charges to this PS3 issue. It's not a bad idea to protect yourself and get a new card and whatnot, but so far there's no evidence that any of these new cases are a result of the PSN break-in.
something is wierd about all of this
what hacker gets the information and then uses it to buy 2000 stuff on it. My bank will be like this is odd. It is either the guy sold it on to stupid people or this hacker is stupid
If one hacker can breach a multibillion dollar corporations security and force them to shut their network down, I would rule out him being "stupid".
I with shaun. I don;t think they would go out and buy stuff of that value so quick i don;t know. Im no expert i just want proof from all the posters caliming they have all this information that the rest of the world doesn't have yet. Confirmed proof please 100% not speculation
Bs he has a ps3 and he just happens to blame ps3 before anything. Stupid media again.. I will tell u one more time I was hacked from a high street store and on other sites
This is the beginning of the end for Sony. RIP. My info better not be stolen.
I know your a 360fb but seriously... would you really want xbox & wii to be the only two consoles in the market? 360 would take the lead obviously but... imagine wut MS would do with no real hardcore competition :/. Charging for air, pull out even less exclusives, not improve their xbl network even further and etc.
oh you're back it's nice to see you haven't changed................NOT -____-
This is the serious matter and you have the balls to troll. Go do something with your life dude.
"My info better not be stolen." How would your info be stolen? Your info is stored on Xbox Live. Waka: "F*ck you Sony! Somebody stole my info!" Sony: "Okay. What is your PSN account name?" Waka: "I don't have a PSN account. I only have Xbox Live account only. It's all your fault, Sony!" Sony: "I understand your frustration. Hold on a minute and let me just see if I can help you go f*ck yourself."
he could call Major Nelson, and ask him what he did when his XBLG account was hacked! Just saying
This is crap. Sony already said all the credit card data is encrypted and no one can use it.Just stop it.
Not to bash Sony, but they once said the PS3 is unhackable. Also some hacker said that credit card info was sent over the network in plain text, quote: creditCard.paymentMethodId=CC _COMPANY& creditCard.holderName=EXAMPLE NAME& creditCard.cardNumber=1234567 890123456& creditCard.expireYear=2012&am p;am p;creditCard.expireMonth=2& ; creditCard.securityCode=123&a mp;a mp; creditCard.address.address1=E XAMPLESTREET%2024%20&credi t Card.address.city=EXAMPLECITY% 2 0& creditCard.address.province=E XAMPLEREGION%20& creditCard.address.postalCode =12345%20 The credit card information should ALWAYS be encrypted. In ANY case. At least the security code. SONY is only relying on it’s https connection. With all those CFWs spreading around, this is not secure anymore. Same goes for the user details: serviceid=IV0001-NPXS01001_00 & [email protected]& password=examplepassword& first=true& consoleid=EXAMPLEID123 Source: http://www.ps3hax.net/2011/...
And of course you believe the hackers. Besides just about everyone already canceled their credit cards and debit cards off of PSN so it really doesn't matter anymore.You would be a fool if you haven't done it by now.
Nice that you read that but not some comments further down. You know, maybe one looking like this.. Kleptic + 6h ago "If you guys read further down, you would see that the 'plaintext' issue was simply that User 2 found the encryption, which hadn't been changed since the PSN went on... that is what translated it to plain text, but he used a fake example and said he would be surprised if it was the same for the current version... ~6 users replied to him saying its just plain text, but later realized it wasn't...but could be translated from their end...though they obviously went quiet about it after that... "
We cant even log into PSN...so how are we supposed to remove our credit card details? Also it happened days before there was any news of the hack, so many could have already had their info stolen.
If you continue reading their chat log, you'll see that they come to the conclusion that the cc info is in fact encrypted. The other personal data was not though.
Well the latest update on PSN states that all credit card information was encrypted properly. So clearly those hackers were wrong.
You don't have to remove your credit card info from PSN. Just call your bank or card provider and tell them to cancel your card and send you a new one.
and your source is what?? PS3HAX??? You deserve a slap in the face lol ;)
This is about CFW case :) its stored inside your ps3, and sent via SSL to psn servers
If the credit card info is encrypted and you're saying all this is BS, then why did you bother to cancel your CC? I thought it was all safe?
Unless the hacker is really stupid, this would never happen!! This story is fabricated for sure.
It is encrypted http://blog.us.playstation....
I am reading lots of weasel words in that there link. Sony then goes on to tell you to act like your credit card number had been compromised. I think they gave you the lawyers answer to the question "has credit data been stolen" in a sort of non-admission admission sort of way.
disagree all you want its encrypted guys. Its like some of you want peoples data to be stolen. Its a precaution you idiot.
Like a guy said above, if the credit card info is encrypted and you're saying all this is BS, I bet you're not worried at all about canceling your cards right?
@ NeoMagnus Why would you not take the precaution anyway? It's easy to call your CC companies and protect yourself? I guess you write the rules that doubting this guy's claims and being cautious are mutually exclusive, right?
Unless he only uses that card on PSN, there is no way to know if Sony is responsible. From now until forever, if someone gets their identity stolen they'll blame Sony. Even though proving it will be impossible until Sony can say whose info was stolen, if that ever happens.
I just did some research on how people steal CC numbers and such and I found this http://www.wreg.com/wreg-el...
GUys, you want the truthful source? got to PS blog.us. THey just updated a few hours ago. The credit card servers were encrypted and theres no evidence to suggest that any information was taken. So there's a HUGE chance that the hacker didn't get a stroke of a chance to get that far and its is EXTREMELY LIKELY that your fine. If you hear cases of credit card fraud, its a good chance its a scumb bag fanboy off of nintendo, pc, or 360 fabricating a false story.
It doesn't nessessarily have to be a fabrication. Thousands of people are victim to credit card fraud every week that has nothing to do with PSN. It could be the case that these people just so happened to be a member of PSN and are affected by credit card fraud completely un-related to Sony. It's just easy to blame Sony at this point. With a big "crisis" like this, people seem to forget that the same card they used for PSN is the same one they use at the store or online where it can easily be obtained without proper protection.
only way to find out is to wait and see. Usually hackers try to test to see if the credit card works on small purchases like an itune song , etc. So watch out for that.
If the CC info is encrypted you have nothing to worry about. This "one" case is probably unrelated to this hack. They must have at least a minimum 128bit encryption on the CC info if not 256bit. So you really have nothing to worry about. Decrypting a 128bit encryption is next to impossible anyways. 256 would be unimaginable. http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...
Anyone who uses their CC on a console is only asking for vulnerability, they made PSN cards for a reason.
yet another circumstantial case... omg, guys i flushed my toilet the other day and then today it started raining! so obviously flushing my toilet caused it to rain today, right? amirite? the fact is that this person's info, like the others, could have easily been swiped from another source. unless there's any definitive proof that can link this person's and the other people's cases with the PSN intrusion, it's nothing but pure speculation and conjecture. sony has outright stated that CC data is *encrypted*, so the chances of anything other than your name and address (which can also be obtained through a variety of other sources), is virtually nil. i'm seeing nothing but the post hoc fallacy going on right now.
This news story is disgusting. There is no proof whatsoever that this persons card details were used as a result of the PSN hack. Thousands of people every day are the victims of credit card fraud which have nothing to do with the PSN. Sony has stated that as of right now, there is no evidence to suggest that credit card numbers were obtained. This person is either a complete moron and has no idea how to keep his card secure, or he is just jumping on the bandwagon. ABC NEWS should also be ashamed of themselves and I hope Sony sue them.
Out of 80 million people it could not possibly have just been a coincidence I guess. If there was going to be credit card abuse it would have been utterly rampant by now and it would dominate the news. We've already verified that at least one person claiming that 100s of dollars was stolen from them was trolling a website.
NO they have not, it has been said that no credit information has been stolen at this time.
Well,this story is definitely fabricated and the news company is idiotic to even run it without checking all the details. Sony has clearly stated that Credit Card details were encrypted,and they haven't ever even asked for a CVC number,which is super-important for large transactions.
Whenever a big story breaks, there's a four step cycle. 1. Report everything we get our hands on, true or not. 2. A wave of retractions and clarifications as facts become clear. 3. A rash of "in depth analysis" 4. Finally: a spate of "has the media gone too far" pieces The shortest amount of time between step 1 and step 4 was a week. This time frame happened twice: 9-11 and Janet Jackson's Super Bowl "wardrobe malfunction." Let's see how quickly it happens with the "PSN got hacked! EVERYBODY PANIC!!!1!" Story.
I smell bullshit.
wow well i am done with playstation canceled everything doesnt matter feel bad for the people that got screwed by sony and hackers
By Sony? Do you read or what? Oh well, nobody will miss you for being an ill informed gamer.
yes by sony telling me a week later that my CC info could have been compromised u don't have to be a genius to figure that out very simple
I wonder if the guy who had his money "supposedly" stolen was running a custom firmware on his system. Remember in February (below) Ars had a store about peoples account being hacked but it was later updated to say it was only effecting custom firmware PS3 owners. http://arstechnica.com/gami...
Garnett Lee reported that one of their staff had fraud after the hack. Also, another person I follow on twitter had the same thing today. I know it could be a coincidence, and CC fraud happens all the time.... But, couldn't Sony be lying about the encryption?
yes they could but the trouble for doing such would be so huge. I don't see why even a drunk person would do it.
Wouldn't such kinds of purchases required a the CVV code, which I believe isn't stored on the PSN? Seems another of those "oh it must be the PSN", Sony have stated already this data is encrypted.
You're probably right but you still have a few people in panic mode. Makes me wonder for those people if they were confronted with an actual REAL crisis in their life how would they deal with it. SELL THE HOUSE! GET THE DOG! RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNNNN NN FOOOOOOOOOOOOR THE HILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLS!
The hysteria and panic from some people is funny. Get it together people.
What a liar, most probably he is married to an orangutan who fled from him and went on a spending spree, now he blames sony
I think your story is more valid than his.
Someone hacked my Amazon account last year, I lost about 180 bucks... why did nobody care? /sarcasm
You psn users need to cancel your debit, and/or credit cards that are tied too psn. That should have been obvious by now.
I actually went to the cashmachine today and drew out everything I had, I'll cancel my card tomorrow. Dispite everything I can't see myself avoiding Sony in the future, I grew up with them.