Sony has said off the record that credit card details are probably safe.
OH wow. That would be great news if true!
I would like to know how they are not compromised when hundreds of dollars have already been stolen!?
Surprising fact, the ONLY way money can be removed from a card is via a hack at Sony. Nothing else ever. With 70 million hacked accounts I'd expect more than a couple hundreds dollars, heck let's say they get 1 millino details I think they'd steal more than a couple hundreds dollars, I'd take $250 from each card ( $250 wouldn't raise too much suspition ) Another surprising fact everything on the internet is true... EVERYTHING.
How do we know that those situations are even related to this incident, could be a coincidence. I mean fraud happens all the time. Just a couple of months ago my father had £1200 spent on a dell computer from his card and a simple call to the bank had it sorted in a couple of days. 3 people out of 75million may be the average fraud rate for all we know.
Please, please, PLEASE try to take sensationalist headlines with a grain of salt. Many PSN users WILL be victims of fraud that may be completely unrelated. Only a thorough investigation will reveal whether PSN users have had their details stolen THROUGH PSN. Even then we might not be 100% certain. If the rate of fraud among PSN users is higher than the general rate, we may have cause for concern, but even then, because many people are now checking their accounts to check for fraud, it's likely that more people will find evidence of fraud they wouldn't have otherwise found - such as small $20 payments which usually go unnoticed in 90% of cases. I would wait for some solid info before spreading this kind of hysteria.
we cannot conclude anything until sony confirm something.. Its pointless speculating, even if they said its off the record they have probably said it so people stop calling them. Lets just wait for sony to actually tell us.
I heard only CC info from CFW systems were stolen
@Temporary_Name, It was only 800$ in fraudulent charges from two people. The victims stated that they were unsure if psn was the cause of theft. I agree with 'rankftw' that it might just be a coincidence. Also, if you had 70 million credit card numbers, wouldn't you spend more than 800$? I do realize that there are people with more than one account, but still, the hacker would have several million unique credit card numbers.
"I would like to know how they are not compromised when hundreds of dollars have already been stolen!?" that's completely circumstantial. the people who have reported unauthorized charges could have easily had their information swiped from somewhere else a long time ago. there's absolutely no proof of any link between their situation and the recent PSN intrusion. so please... and sony themselves have already stated that they do not believe people's credit card information was taken.
http://www.nationmaster.com... Over 1 per 1000 people in the United States, over 5 per 1000 in the UK. 1.1 per 1000 globally. This was over the period 1998 - 2000 (3 years). That's 156 weeks, so divide by 156, multiply by 70 thousand and you have 494 people who were victims of fraud during the past week out of those 70 million people with PSN accounts. This is without ANY credit card details being stolen from PSN.
on my ignore list temporary, enjoy your stay. if you can't contribute something decent to this thread, then don't post at all. you have no evidence to suggest money was stolen so do me a favor and quit instigating.
Your an idiot turd. Please go away.
@Thor What are you doing using facts and being sensible? Don't you know the sky is falling? /s
try tellin ur wife when u go over to a friends that you probably won't cheat on her and be completely serious about it. post the results preferably YouTube plz
Ok thanks for the link.
Tell me this m8, If you had acess to 77 million accounts. A couple hundred quid i think that would be last on our mind for stealing ffs. Your details if you even have a PS3 are fine. In the worse case seniaro they would not have your pin anyways and it would take you to be a right retard to hand them detials out on the phone are over email. Understand the trolls that live in theses forums and websites including those that make the new articles they try scoring points of one and other. Back stabbing here and there. Be this xbl and the same would ahve happened. Actually ask a xbox fanboy and he will tell you a ps3 fanboy wopuld be worse even turn up at his house and try and butt rape his dog. Its outta hand. Anything outside of what Sony is saying is not worth listening to. PSN will return stronger than it was. Add to that it still dosent take away the fact that the people here that "own" the ps3 will not be letting there ps3 go. Looking forward to all the new games to come and getting ready for a great E3. Christmas after that and what Sony will throw at us in the new year.
Thing is, those reports of money getting stolen might be true, false, or just completely unrelated to the PSN hack. I mean, how unlikely is it that 1 person or even 100 out 77 million is going to have an unrelated issue with fake withdrawals? Doesn't seem that unlikely
"I would like to know how they are not compromised when hundreds of dollars have already been stolen!?" 1) There is no way of linking those incidents to PSN. Fraud happens ALL the time, and these cases might be completely unrelated. 2) These "cases" that you're referring to are a random NeoGoof post and an email. NeoGoof is a hotbed of anti-PS3 concern trolls. The chances of these being real....not really all that high.
Yeah, I don't think the reported frauds are related. Just like "COD BREAKS YOUR PS3?!?!?" is never true. People just take coincidence as causality. Sony has all CC#s encrypted, and there was no evidence that the encryption key was stolen. Could it be hacked? No, not if the encryption key is dynamically generated. If the key is generated dynamically, there would be no way besides brute force computation that could take years to complete to crack a card number. And even then, that would only be one card.
Indeed! It would be quite a relief. Still it won't change some people's minds. The fact that this situation got this bad and people's personal information was at risk means that it could very well happen in the future. I took my credit card details off PSN last December and started to use their cards. Something tells me that once PSN goes back online, these cards are going to be rare to find everywhere!
'probably' - strange word to use, lets hope it's good news!
I lol'd at the probably part but I don't use a CC on my PS360, I actually muster up the courage and walk outside and buy the psn xbl cards O.o
yea...its that safest way to put points/money on your account. These days you can get them off ebay and amazon.
I called my CC company, and just told them I need a new card with a new number, because of a possible breach with sony (pretty hassel free). So in about a week I should have my new card. If someone makes a purchase, that you did not authorize, file a dispute claim, and that charge will be frozen until they can determine if what you claim is true, most of the time it is.
Tbh, I think the banks should send out new cards to everyone who calls up and says PSN issue. It would be the easiest solution.
The Financial Fraud Action UK also agreed.
*sigh of relief*
How is this off the record if we're reading it?
i know.. and why not make an official statement! its only hurting them more.. just tell ppl wtf is going on, the rep is hurt bad enough as it is and it doesnt help with bs "off the record" statements. but i guess i understand i realize we have ppl that would try to take advantage of this situation...
why? because they need to be absolutely sure before they make any kind of official announcement. they've even stated in their official statement that CC info is not believed to have been compromised due to the intrusion.
thats my point though.. they dont have to be 100% sure. if they simply kept ppl in the loop, had a rep that kept ppl updated a little better they can save face that much more.. im a very reasonable person if they simply would of told ppl hey we have a breach and ur cc may have been stolen please cancle the cc just in case. instead of playing the "we dont think its been stolen, that only tells me that their is a 50% chance it was.. like i said its only hurting them more the way they are handling it.. the problem is all these companies always feel like it has to be a top secret till they know its a fact, thats not how it should work when you have ppl cc info at risk.
off the rec·ord not for quotation; "he spoke to the reporter off the record". It means the reporter spilled the beans after.
Yeah it's a little weird, but the guy definitely says "off-the-record."
Wait so does this mean if the people who are saying they have had money taken out during this whole fiasco won't be viable and they will be made to look like moron's??
probably shouldn't be used when dealing with credit cards and them being safe.....luckily i took mine off a long time ago since i didnt ever buy anything since i could just use my friends accounts
Just to make sure ill probably take off my CC info but ill still be buying a lot of things with PSN cards.
PSN cards are the safest option. Heck it even is the best option with XBOXlive with the points card. Because in the card no online system is truly safe. Oh and green aliens and purple apples are great to eat.
Nuh uhhh. I just checked my checking account and i'm low $1.52 GASSP! Anonymous, must of bought Anal lube.
Nah they probably bought a crap load of soap because we all know where some of them are going to end up. Heres proof that hackers can get caught and sent to jail http://www.engadget.com/201... And here is a video of someone dropping the soap http://www.youtube.com/watc... And heres a video of a fat guy http://www.youtube.com/watc...
"Probably safe" O well thats reassuring now im sure my credit card is safe lol.
If you're still sitting there with an active card that you had entered on PSN, especially a debit/check card, you should be cancelling and having it re-issued regardless. It's nice to hear it's "probably not" compromised, but "probably not" is not "has not".
After those that have had their details taken and money? The e-mail I got from Sony was not reassuring and was stating that details were at high risk and were probably taken its all a probably. Sony just trying to cover themselves when they know its all FASLE!
those peopel who had the money taken? can any confirm those stories? or are they just assumed since the people who had money taken just happen to have aps3 also?
ignore him blacktar.
Is it just me or does Sony tries to put the hackers in a bad light by pretending that they have our CC info assuming that our accounts are still safe?
"are probably safe." This makes me worry though as it isnt certain that they are safe. Anyways i am pretty sure the problem isnt as big as some morons make it seem.
Off the record.mmmmmmmmmm let me see. Try this link http://faq.en.playstation.c... for people who don't want to click I draw your attention to Q.6 Does that mean all users’ information was compromised? Tell us more in details of what personal information leaked. In terms of possibility, yes. We believe that an unauthorized person has obtained the following information that you provided: name, address (city, state/province, zip or postal code), country, email address, birthdate, PlayStation Network/Qriocity password, login, password security answers, and handle/PSN online ID. It is also possible that your profile data may have been obtained, including purchase history and billing address (city, state/province, zip or postal code). If you have authorized a sub-account for your dependent, the same data with respect to your dependent may have been obtained. If you have provided your credit card data through PlayStation Network or Qriocity, it is possible that your credit card number (excluding security code) and expiration date may also have been obtained. From this it means Sony ain't sure if anything has been taken at all. And it certainly isn't off the record.
LOL! Probably safe??? Just embarrassing. Would love to hear bankers tell their customers, "Don't worry, your money is probably safe with us"
Probably safe is something good to hear. They cannot come out and say that things are 100% until they know entirely what was compromised, since if they did that and later it is found out that even a few hundred accounts credit card info was taken they could be in more trouble than they are now. Considering they found out that the data was taken a few days ago(or at least confirmed most of what was taken), it will probably be a few more days until they are sure about everything that was looked at or stolen.
Would be nice if this turns out to be true. In Sony's statement yesterday they did say that billing information *May* have been compromised and were unsure. And now off the record have said the same thing. Fraud happens all of the time, just last year I found myself having $10 a month being charged to my one credit card that I did not use that month. Figured out that this company scammed my info off of a website that was hacked that I used before and it went on for 2 months prior to me finding out. So 2 reported cases of fraud out of millions is very small. Not that our credit card/debit information is safe yet, but it is looking like at least the vast majority of psn accounts did not have their billing information stolen.
I hope they story is true... Glad I've never used cc or debit card info on my purchases... Solution? Grab a PSN card... (I think I'm re-stateing the obvious lol)
Probably? You know I could run back and forth across a busy 4 lane interstate and "Probably" make it safely a few times without getting squished by a mac truck but it only takes that once doesn't it? ;)
I thinks its sad Sony itself doesn't know wtf is going on with their own customers details. I'm glad i didn't put my CC info on PSN
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I laugh at the people who said they would be more reasonable if Sony had informed them sooner. Who do you really think you are fooling? Their would be the same amount of stupid articles and accusations whether they told you earlier or later. Sony just decided to take the 'shut down and find out what happened road' rather than the 'cuddle the insecure public with info you are not sure about' road. They would have taken a hit either way.
Blackburn you are officially a idiot in my book for saying i laugh at people that would have liked to have been informed sooner. Yes there is no getting around this shit storm Sony put upon themselves. They witheld information that is vital to some people when there info may or may not have been leaked at the time. You are a complete tool that doesn't have the brain power to comprehend why that it was such a bad thing that Sony didn't at least warn people so they could take precautions while they continued looking into the matter. Oh yeah and about the article "Probable Safe" well that isn't all that reassuring to me that my info is in fact safe.
Should be the top news,so that people stop panicking for once.
How is Portal 2 and MK9 online? Oh wait wrong thread let me go put this in the Xbox Live section muahahahaha!!!
Hehe, even if they got my debit card details they wouldn't get very far.
that will safe Sony from being sued by stupid people
Probably does not cut it. i already cancelled my credit card and ordered a new one which will never be used on the psn. Psn cards from now on...
This should answer all your questions. This is the truth from the official PS blog. I can't post the link but go to the ps blog. The credit card servers were encrypted and there's not evidence to suggest that they were tampered with at this time. They can't rule out the possability as they continue to investigate. But if you're hearing of fraud now, its likely a fabricated false story.
I'm sure Sony's still investigating and we'll probably find out for sure soon.
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