DTG: A "Hardcore" Wii Would Be A Big Mistake

Imagine a Wii with powerful hardware, a ton of unique technological features, and a fresh new look at multiplayer gaming. Many of our readers will think on the recent rumors of a Wii 2 and smile. However, we think back to the N64 and the Gamecube: powerful gaming systems that alienated and killed off much of Nintendo’s fanbase. We’re worried about a Nintendo system that focuses on powerful hardware instead of compelling software. Would a "hardcore" Wii 2 recapture the hardcore audience and 3rd-party developers, or would Nintendo be stepping on a landmine?

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fluffydelusions2400d ago (Edited 2400d ago )

The terms "hardcore" and "Nintendo" haven't gone together in a long time. I don't see that changing given how much they have pulled in from the casual market. I used to be a huge Nintendo fan but somewhat gave up on them a while back and more specifically when the ps1 came out.

qface642400d ago (Edited 2400d ago )

its gonna end up being a new console with a new name so technically not a wii

seems like everywhere i go everyone is assuming it will end up being a new wii which i don't really get

firefoxprime2400d ago

Alright. So I actually read this article. The man makes some very solid points. Its 2011. So in Nintendo's book, innovation is the name of the game. Clearly suped up graphics/raw engine power isn't "all" Nintendo has up their sleeve.

But then the article took a turn towards nostalgia goggles. Seriously.

Read this:

"The Gamecube continued to push away customers. Plus, Nintendo began to develop bizarre games instead of the sort of games that made them great in the first place. Luigi’s Mansion? Super Mario Sunshine? Star Fox Adventures? Really, Nintendo? Really? You think that gamers wanted those games instead of another sidescrolling Mario or another sidescrolling Donkey Kong Country? The recent Metroid: Other M is a great example of what happens when Nintendo forgets what made a franchise popular and tries to inject a ton of things that don’t belong."

Now this guy has hit many good notes, but I believe he's a bit stuck in the past. Which is quite ironic, since thats where he continues to reach for his arguement.

Everyone is aware of Nintendo's old IPs. Nintendo lost many gamers due to the "same ole, same old". Now I won't lie to you guys and say Other M was a commercial success. Yet I do remember Metriod Prime's leap into FPS. Nowadays, that gameplay is spoken as a given. Most ppl don't even remember the sidescroller why didn't he use Metriod as an example? Huh?

Also check this out:

"Nintendo needs to think back to their own history, where these very same hardcore gamers and software developers abandoned the N64 and Gamecube, despite Nintendo giving them the hardware strength they desired."

Gamers abandoned the N64/Gamecube due to old tech(cartridges) and "diverse" disk media. The guy's diversity also included the exclusion of cd/dvd players.

"Instead of getting angry at Nintendo and demanding they “get with the times” by making a more powerful game system, this writer prefers to think about things a little differently. Since when was diversity in the game industry a bad thing? Nintendo is opening up doors to new gamers while the hardcore-focused games on the 360 and PS3 are locking those same doors and hanging a “member’s only” sign on the knob. Gaming should be available to everyone. It makes no sense that only certain demographics are entertained by the game industry while most others are left in the cold. Before anyone raises the “casuals will kill gaming” banner high into the sky, please be willing to look into history"

For starters...gaming has ALWAYS been available to everyone. There's never been a sign that says a 40year old woman can't smack down in some heavy street fighter tournaments, or duke it out in the latest FPS.

Honestly, this guy just sounds like he's stuck in the past, and despises new gameplay experiences. I wonder what he thought of Mario Galaxy...

matey2400d ago

Dont u love people that dont listen to whats already been said its not a Wii the Wii will still be on the market 4 another 5 years its a legacy console now the new console will be a different beast all togeather hopefully called STREAM i can live with that plus a Wii2 wouldnt be nearly as powerful as the specs STREAM has so people are forgetting its a new console with NEXT GEN hardware way above ps3.

miyamoto2400d ago (Edited 2400d ago )

.... and having both ultra casual games and ultra hardcore games in one console isn't actually a bad idea.

Remember Konami's Silent Hill & Dance Dance Revolution both on the PS One?

The Wii had Dead Space Extraction and some Resident Evils too.

N4g_null2399d ago

Firefighting it's not nostalgia it's game play. He is hating in pc gaming and wanting console gaming back they are different.

Also people forget it's not power that made games good it was art style and game play style.

Nintendo just perfected art style and game play style along with motion gaming. On top of every thing was the fact that 3rd parties where forced to make ps games because of it's success. The only reason why every one went hd instead of the wii this gen is because every one knew that their brand new artists where going to wow you into buying their me too hd game. Tons of these games did not sell. Now they are all confused because every one though the hardcore where made of money and would buy any thing just off hype, well many did.

The truth is the hardcore are picky but if you manage to make a real hardcore game they show up. You won't find them in the Internet defending Mario kart because they know it's useless to the hd fans that hated motion gaming but now like it lol simply because your tv does do SD very well.

iPlayGamez2399d ago


wow really well said, i dont mean the usually "geohot is gay" N4G type of well said, i mean really good breakdown and summary of the article with your own insight on it.

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hay2400d ago

You mean, since GameCube? Not so long.

N4g_null2399d ago

The article and the person above are full of it.

What was hardcore before the ps1? Shooters, side scrollers, RPGs. You guys simply don't know the difference between pc hardcore and console hardcore because you weren't old enough to read the article.

The hardcore is not 2-6 million gamers it's 30 million on consoles.

Ok so let me address the bs here. You can have as many options as you want as long as your interface is designed right. Sony and ms doesn't understand this apple and nintendo does. Which is why the wiis Internet worked even better better than both hd machine with email server support on the actualy system.

Ok the GC and n64 sucked because the games sucked mostly. The Mario kart of those systems or lack of it shows nintendo was out of their element and there hardware was unsure and not ready for real game play. Sure ps1 and 2 fans where fine with subpar controlling and playing games but not nintendo. Simply put the standards where higher.

So here come the wii to prove it. Mario kart for example sells out every x mas now. It's just as good as the first one and double dash was bullshvt. You know it. Wii resorts crushes the move games in game play. You can simulate pedaling a freaking bike in that game and turn, bet you didn't even know that?

The hardcore left nintendo because we are not loyal either you make us games to the standards we know you can or push on. Which is why a cheaper xbox and ps3 is not the answer. Better playing not just looking games are the key.

Why havnt the hardcore got wii or better yet why do they ignore the wii hardcore titles. Well first of all many have not done the LAN party thing so online is cool. The hate for it is coming from fps burn out. Next is they have one but their HDTV makes SD content look like crap if it's not a dlp. Not many people could afford those. So many things are simply ignored because it's just going to look bad regardless of the power.

Now both of those are fixed and every thing is getting ported every thing. The good is it will run better out of the box. The bad is you've already beat it and it might have sucked lol. Yet just a few are dumping games on it the rest are going to shyt on the old hd consoles basically. We've been waiting in this shyt for a while. Gen 7 hd is not like gen 8 hd. Gen seven is not really hd anyway.

You can believe what you want about people that like nintendo but if you believe the stereo types thing you are a fool. Now if you are a fool with a web site get ready to jump ship yet if your a publisher not putting your best on the wii2 then you might be looking for a golden parachute. There are many of those in gaming.

The hardcore don't worship gaming they look for fun stuff to play. The complexity to pc gaming created the hardcore so that would make the hardcore if hd consoles no different than casuals who showed up for wii sports, wii play, wii fit, and wii resorts with sales at an avg of 10 million copies when many hd exclusive can barely get 6 million.

It's really not that hard but you guy refuse to see the truth because it does justify what you want.

Nintendo is bring the goods and the 3rd parties are going to slug it out to convert all of those 20 million Mario 2d gamers to hd games while nintendo does there thing in the back ground to get systems in homes.

2fk2400d ago

it need to be hardcore

NukaCola2400d ago

If this new Ninty system isn't hardcore, I refuse to buy it. I supported the Wii but the system was really a let down and I think Nintendo needs to get with the times now. I hope they really do something different with Proj Cafe.

rabidpancakeburglar2400d ago

"Hardcore" and "Wii" don't even look like they belong together in the title

matey2400d ago

Try STREAM it wont be called Wii2 as that kills off the Wii it will be called STREAM the Wii can still do well even with STREAM in shops Wii will sell 8/10 million a year worldwide instead of 17 million currently
Nintendo are allowed to have a casual console in the Wii and a Hardcore powerhouse in the STREAM it covers all basis its smart as well having the 3DS interact with the only NEXT GEN console that makes the 3DS even more special imagine GTA5 on STREAM/3DS

Peaceful_Jelly2400d ago (Edited 2400d ago )

In my opinion I think that Nintendo wants a more powerful console for third party's to port their "hardcore" multiplats like Call of Duty. That way Nintendo can focus in doing their own thing (like always) without people criticizing them that they abandoned the so called "hardcore" audience. So if a game like FFvsXIII turns out multiplat then it'll be ported to the Wii2 too and that's one hardcore game in their pocket without moving a finger while at the same time they'll keep both crowds (HC & Casual) happy.

matey2400d ago

yes but the ports will be enhanced in most cases graphically and resolution wise because STREAM is generations infront i think NoMoreHeros3/RedSteel3 will be at E3 in immence graphics

Shader Model 4.1/DX10.1,11/900mhz GPU/Triplecore CPU clocked higher than 360/ps3 prob 3.8ghz or 4.2ghz i rest my case.

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