Why not take a look at another analysts view of the next-gen wars.
I disagree but whatever the 500 nor the 600 dollar ps3 isnt justified by the only thing that matters......the games.
i'm glad you wrote, "in my opinion"
No what happened was I was posting my links with facts to combat lies being spread from Jin and DJ. Then they started spamming my posts. It went from that to them censoring me every time I spoke. I never cursed. I never harassed anyone. And even when I wasn't posting facts, they were censoring my posts. Then anyone else who joined in on the conversation was being verbally harassed and bashed, with Jin and DJ accusing everyone of being ME. The Real Deal. I think at that point it pissed a few xbox fans off and everyone was spamming everyone. The funny part is. I just walked away and played my xbox 360. I came back and Jin and DJ was still here fighting a spam war with other xbox fans. lol...lol...lol...lol.... I love games but thats sickening. Spamming good people like myself is how it all started. I'm the Real Deal. Everyone knows I post links to support my opinions. Sony fans sit on here and lie all day long, then when you express your view with links they get mad and spam you off the board. Then if anyone speaks out, they spam them too. Its sad. But thats how much Hate DJ and Jin have. But with that said, I forgive you for censoring me and bashing me personally. I forgive you for accusing me of what you obviously do with multi screens. I'm the real deal. I only need one screen name and Facts as my guide on here. The truth always prevails when I'm around. I'm sorry if the truth burns a little. Sony did this to you. Sony made you so hateful. Us 360 gamers are a happy bunch. I'm sorry you have to wait a year just to experience what we have been experiencing for the last year. You should have jumped in. But honestly, You are getting exactly what you deserve. Bad things happen to bad people. And what yall did to me today was bad. Good Night.
Censoring what? Your MS facts? Your Ati facts? Your biased dev facts? Your fakeass screen facts? Your Music Producer facts? Or your NBA Star facts? lol...lol...lol...Why don't you post some facts from unbiased, objective sources? Why don't you post what unbiased devs that develope for both consoles are saying? Why don't you compare your 360 screens with good looking PS3 games? lool...lol...lol...you are the biggest fraud around here, that spams this site 24/7 with his lies and spreading some funnyass lies about beeing a Music Producer or that you could be an NBA Star...ROFLMFAO kid, you must have really some issues. It's so funny how serious you take your name and all this stuff, it appears you are living for this site. And kid, don't be so fast with assuming somebody is a bad person, you are much worse with what you are doing, but I wouldn't call you a bad person, you are just a sad person living in his lil delusioned lala land and not in the real world. Also fact is kid, that you were the only pathetic fanboy around when the deleting begann, but you are sayin that others did it...lol...lol...lol...kid, not everbody is as empty as you, some people have eyes and a brain ;-)
Still, if it's about the same as the writer of the story says, the 'cheap' PS3 is still 100 dollar/euro more expensive. Paying some pocketmoney to Sony in debt
I may be wrong here but is the xbox 360 premium bundle not $399.00 and the core xbox 360 299.00 while the ps3 core system is suppose to be $499.00 and the premium ps3 $599.00
I’m probably wrong though because I really have not kept up on the ps3. but I thought I read some where that there is going to be 2 different ps3 bundles. I might be wrong and if I’m I apologize....The point is any way’s I just don't understand how the ps3 is cheaper. I mean I’m not a math wizard or nothing but how is $499.00 cheaper then $399.00? especially if you don't care about watching movies on your GAME console?
you're correct (499.99 and 599.99) and good point with that last sentence.
I thought so.....Thank ya Baller
"Both have similar processors..........." The processors are in no way similar. These Dumbazz "Analysts" need to do a little bit of homework before spewing crap out their pie hole.
Cell: with 8 spe's, one that is not used, and one that is taken up soley by the operation system, allows the PS3 to run 6 threaded operations at once. Xbox 360: 3 cores, running dual threads, means it can run 6 threaded operations at once. PS3 might run its 6 threads a little quicker, but with its built-in memory on the Graphics Chip, Xbox 360 has a slight advantage in this area. Most games release for both systems will look, run, and play identically.
the cell is 3 times better than the xbox360 gpu. its another leage, to make a comparison is only dumb.
the 360 gpu is more powerful than the ps3's. the cell is being used as the cpu, and is the only core the system has. the 360 has 3.
hello every one i would just like to announce that i decided i would now be an official analyst. here is my prediction. sony = 40% market share, microsoft 35% marketshare, nintendo 25% marketshare. i think this is safe to safe that i am dead on since i seem to know 100 times more than this bung fukler analyst. p.s. i am a x360 owner, and i do not intend on getting a ps3 but i do plan on getting a wii if simply for zelda and the back compat all the way to nes.
also i would like to point out this would be a market share loss for sony... so i am in no way praising them i simply know that milions of fanboys will refuse to see that they are spending an extra $200 for exactly the same gaming experiance (notice i said gaming... not movie watching) also as a side note to that millions more will see outside of thier fanboyish ways and buy a 360 and wii and have 2 systems for the price of one and in doing so have 2 time that games to play.
I know that Sony is using the PS3 as the trojan horse for BluRay but I gotta say that I judge my console purchase on the consoles software line up and ability to play games only so I am inclined towards a 360 because Halo, GTA4, Gears of War and Forza are all games that interest me and live looks fun! BluRay I think is kinda a white elephant because even if it or HD-DVD do win the format war then what will it matter because distribution by DSL and mamoth hard Drives in consoles and devices are the future of entertainment, hell, who knows where gaming will be in 6 or so years, maybe we will have gaming on demand! Anyway, back to my point, choose games not consoles, think of bluRay like 3G on your phone, it sounds great and the companies that make it and make money from it really advertise hard about how it will change your life but eventually you need to ask if you are actually gonna use it for anything other than bragging rights, my guess is no.
though i respect your opinion, i beg to differ. i already have a 360 and enjoy the crap out of GRAW. i feel that Halo 3, Fable 2, GOW and Bioshock are all four gonna rock. but i wouldn't hold these four games to be the death nail of the PS3. while i feel it a mistake on Sony's part to use PS3 to push Blu-Ray, i feel that the system itself will be justified by its games. Lair, Heavenly Sword and Resistance are just the tip of the iceburg. MGS4, DMC4, Naughty Dogs "BIG" game, FFXIII, Gran Turismo 5 (no, not the HD version of GT4 Poly keeps showing), The Wall, Ratchet and Clank 5, Heavy Rain, Mercenaries 2, Assassins Creed and GTA 4 (the latter two i personally would prefer on my PS3, as i think they will have slight, SLIGHT graphical superiority). to me, these games are reason enough to spend $500+ on a PS3. but like i always say, to each his own.
I respect that you have decided to plump for a PS3 because it will offer you the games you desire, like I say personally the 360 appeals to me because it has my kinda games while PS3 has more games I aint a fan of like Final Fantasy(I dislike RPGs, sorry everyone but personal opinion!) Gran Turismo (I liked Forza but hope the sequal will improve drastically, my fave racing game is Moto GP on xbox, its so technical and intricate especially when braking hard, I find a certain pleasure when I am able to string together a perfect lap/race) and I was never a fan of the Metal Gear games after the PSone game. I am also usually drawn to larger pads because I have big hands (I like N64, Dreamcast and the original xbox controller, the controller S was pretty unusable coz I needed to deform my thumb to hit the black&white buttons, yet again its personal choice and preference). Thank god we could have a reasonable and well measured discussion without resorting to the childish insults of some others on this site, to each his own should be the only comment people post, does anyone really think that saying sony suck/ms suck/nintendo suck will help sell more of their chosen console? If you are willing to pay the cash for a PS3 then enjoy your new console and all the games you play on it because in the end the only reason we should buy a console is to gain enjoyment from playing it!
thats nice that you are talking of games that are not out yet, but the console is out one year now. the ps3 has a far better line up and you know it, stop twisting everything.
your an idiot! Learn to read before you launch into your childish tirade.
It doesn't count when your by yourself, sorry.
If you walked into Best Buy and saw a blu ray player for 600 dollars.....and all other blu ray players marked at 1000 dollars, would you assume it was a cheap blu ray player? now you add a cell cpu, and nvidia gpu....and what does that make the sony ps3? A. A cheap blu ray player? B. An expensive video game console? C. All of the above? Sony is in the business of making money. Something ain't right with the Ps3. We all know MS and Sony loose a little on each console. But how could they possibly sell a blu ray player, CPU, and GPU for 600 dollars when Blu ray players cost 1000 dollars? Something just ain't right. lol..... Think about it. Sony can't possibly be just giving away systems. Thats not good business sense. And if thats what they are doing, they have to be loosing over 500 dollars per console. And with all the bad press and low specs compared to the cheaper 360, they will never have the dominant fan base they once had. They will be lucky to get a 40% market share this time around. Just think about it. Something is odd in Sony's camp. I was raised that nothing in life is free. And what you pay for is what you get. Its directly relevant in just about every instance. if you guy to an outlet store and by a big screen tv for 400 dollars less than at best buy. What you may not know is it was pre owned and returned. So you actually are not paying for a brand new tv. Anything could be wrong with it. And on top of that, someone has used it. So part of its life cycle is used. Thus you pay a lesser amount due to that simple fact. Good deals are rarely good deals. You pay for what you get.
right on Real Deal!! Hey, you want a job?
Sony is hoping the PS3 sells like the PS2 did. They are putting all their cards on BluRay because of the royalties they will earn off of it. The PS3 is a Movie player first and Game Console second. Most of the games for it will be on DVD9 unless Sony requires them to be on BluRay. I think Sony made a bad move, but most people are stupid so they will think they are getting a great deal. It is too soon to change formats, DVD has just become mainstream and the price of HDTVs are still too high for most people. In 5 years things will be differant, then again in 5 years a new gen of consoles will be out.
Best Buy is a crap store, they are usually not the "best buy" and the staff is pretty much clueless about new tech.
in the electronics arena you pay a little more for higher quality products. Even if you don't care about blu-ray you're still getting a hell of a game system that also plays PS1 titles, PS2 titles, cds, dvds, supports 1080p, and just happens to be the most powerful game system. Apparently it doesn't give off any noise and very little heat, so that's a nice bonus. Best of all, there's no hidden costs. If you ever want to take advantage of your HDTV(if you own one) it already supports Blu-ray movies. No need to pay extra. If you ever choose to go online with your games the service is completely free. It's like Xbox Live but without the annual fee. It'd be nice of some of the people on here just stopped with the whole "Blu-ray is anti-consumer" angle. Everyone knows that Blu-ray was put in for its superior storage capacity over DVD and HD-DVD. The Blu-ray drive and standard Hard Drive were put in for developers' benefit, which in turns benefits us as gamers. Microsoft didn't want to take that risk while Sony did. It's these two different market strategies that's created the systems we see today, and there's nothing we can do to change it.
"in the electronics arena you pay a little more for higher quality products." ..............and............ then.......... "If you ever choose to go online with your games the service is completely free. It's like Xbox Live but without the annual fee" You just contradicted yourself. I'll judge Sony online when it is out, but if it is anything like the PS2 version........it will suck.
why u fools are even concerned with ps3 when u are not going to buy it. just play ur 360. it has been a whole year, havnt u found anything likeable on 360 that u could PLAY, but all day long u spend bit*ing about ps3! play ur 360 while MS supports it because in 2 more years they would release 720 and 1 year later u would be doing exactly what ur doing now bit*hing about ps4
I said that when it comes to consumer electronics (these are physical machines you buy) you tend to pay more for higher quality. Online multiplayer is not a physical product, it is a service, and there's a difference. Besides, the reason Sony isn't going to charge for online multiplayer, ranking, text/video chat, and all that other cool stuff is because Sony and developers intend to profit off of downloadable content instead. The Playstation online service is already up and running without a hitch(as revealed in the Full Auto 2 preview) and Sony has been doing online gaming far longer than Microsoft.
Will be making enough and shipping enough consoles to meet demand. It is a VERY high-tech machine, with its Blu-Ray drive, even more so than the 360. But brand-new tech tends to have bugs, glitches, and unforseen problems. Look what Microsoft had to deal with-- trouble getting chips, shipping problems, and overheating problems (most of which were the result of dumb consumers not giving the system and/or power pack enough room for ventilation, imho) The first round of HD-DVD players and BLu-ray players both had/have problems, will this be fixed on the cheap Blu-ray drives in the PS3? How will it handle cooling? Does it have an external power pack? The bottom line is more high-tech, cutting edge components means a harder time producing working, glitch-free systems. Then they have to ship them all over the world for a three-region, simultanious launch, something Microsoft proved is no easy feat. I would be surprised if Sony can assemble, test, and ship even half the systems they claim by the end of this year.
If you really think the PS3 will have "very little heat" you really do not know much about electronics.
and you should look for information before you write crap. its one of the cells advantages, that it does not create so much heath.
...but is a much better value than the XBox 360 MS pulled a Nintendo, and I will explain what I mean by that. Back in the day with N64,there where rumble capabilities, but only through an "add-on" rumble pack which required the constant purchase of batteries. Meanwhile Playstation provided the same rumble only it was built-in, eliminating the additional cost. 10 years later MS provide wireless controllers which require the constant purchase of batteries, unless you buy their "add-on" kit. Meanwhile Playstation 3 offers the same wireless capabilities minus the additional cost of batteries or add-on kits.(I guess history does repeat itself.) Another issue to consider is online play (you know, MS biggest selling point). MS offers an online gaming network experience which requires a (seemmingly) small subscription fee(If you are familiar with water weight, you know what I mean by seemmingly small.)Meanwhile Sony offers a "clone" service (with more potiential) minus the addition (annual) cost for play. Now to the issue of Blueray. Blueray is a NEXT-GEN storage medium, as Dvd was,(WAS)in its time. I mean, why wouldn't there be a next-gen disc drive in a next-gen console, just imagine if current-gen consoles had stuck with Cds and told us "We'll just use better compression techniques". The fact that you get next-gen movies playback (then with Dvd, and now with Blueray) is just a lovely bonus luxury, which MS offers as an $200 add-on (There's that word again). Only differnce is the $200 add-on support a medium with less storage space which translates to less potiential content. (Slightly off-topic but relevant section)Another thing people always holler is "dvd (>5Gb single layer) plus better compression tools is all we need". so if dvd + compression is enough than Blueray(25Gb single layer) plus compression is a bottomless pit, which means limitless creativity for devs. Just imagine having an open-world loadless game that doesn't consist of just one world but multiple planets including the space between planets or the entire planet! that is geographically correct, or getting a movie, the game to it, and "bonus material" the making of the movie, as well as, making of the game plus interviews all on the same disc, not with dvd we won't. (Back on topic) 20Gb PS3 gaming experiences (when compared to XBox 360) = $499 for console -$20 per wireless controller(xbox wireless controllers real price = $70), -$60 per year online gaming fee,-$200 credit to your account for HD-movies playback. Its like your get a free HD movie upgrade for buying a PS3, while MS charges you $200 for it. So technically in five years the PS3 pays for itself(based off a Xbox owner who wants to enjoy nearly the same possible experience as PS3[online gaming and hd movie playback]).Not to mention if you want wi-fi, thats an additional $100 for that same $100 Sony gives you wi-fi,Hdmi,multiple card reader and 40 additional Gbs. In conclusion Xbox360 is "cheaper" but only in quality
Online is Free completely..............cause if you have a Hi-Speed modem then you can get online in anything from a PC to a Xbox360 out of the box. We Sony Do not Provide The Online Service.You can use us as highway to online entertainment and the modem as a car in Simpler terms. Please do not be alarmed or feel Shunted When Developers charge a online monthy fee like most MMORPG's since we don't provide the servers like Microsoft's Xbox live. As far as Blu-Ray Not Everybody's Configured for Blu-Ray cause most people don't have a HD-TV. I tried to tell Ken that But he Said he knows what he doing. I Guess People already knew that most DVD players are in HD anyway. We are so in trouble when "Emergence Day" Comes. We Won't Be able to "Finish the Fight".
Is it a cheap blu ray player or an over priced Game System? Or both? Its not a good bargain for gamers who don't have a HD TV. As 95% of gamers DON'T. So what are all those millions of gamers paying for huh? Blu ray with no HD TV? You are telling those people who only buy systems when they are 200 dollars to buy the ps3 for 500 to 600 dollars because its future proof? lol....That eventually not only will they have to buy the half a grand console but sometime within the next few years they need to spend another 3000 for a tv to use with it? lol..lol...lol....With the 299 xbox 360 MS isn't telling you that you need an hd tv to enjoy next gen games. MS is saying Jump in NOW. Then take the steps toward HD at your convenience but not making you pay for it NOW. Take your time. If you eventually get an hd tv. Great. For another 150 to 200 you can add an hd dvd player. And so on. Sony fans are not seeing the reality of the situation sony is in.
its the best game machine you fool. blue ray is for games, that you can use it for films its only a side effect. do you understand this ? if ppl spend 400 bucks for old technic they can spend 500 bucks for new technic. period.
Who in the hell is it a better value for? A. The guy who buys systems when they hit 200 dollars? B. The kid who has to beg his mom for some new shoes that cost 100 dollars? C. The young man/woman that works a 9 to 5 and doesn't have an hd tv? D. The 2 - 5 % of HD TV owners who believe that HD DVD will win out over Blu ray? C. The hardcore sony fan who doesn't know any better? Who is it a better value for? Think about it? WHO.....600 dollars. Over half a GRAND. Who is getting this value? lol...Are Sony fans out of their mind? A Value? Do you know what Value means? Most consumers when they buy a game console want exactly that. A game console. They want a good value for a Game console. Where is the Value in a first gen Blu ray player with 1080p output when 95% of consumers don't have an HD TV. Where is this mysterious VALUE?
the ps3 is far more versatile than the xbox360, that does not mean it is not a game machine !!! you are a total moron, who do you want to convince with your little logic ?
It seems as if Sony fans are dead set on comparing their console to the xbox 360. As if they are competing with MS. Sony forgot that they have consumers who look toward them for their next gaming system. Stop being so concerned with how you compare to MS. Start making your fan base happy. By adding blu ray and the ps3 costing over half a grand, you have turned your back to 95% of your consumer base. What tha? Are you serious? Sony, you blew it big time. So worried about topping MS. lol...lol....lol.....
Is a better value to the guy that wants an awesome gaming system. Either 360, PS3, or the Wii. Of those 3, the PS3 offers much more in hardware than any of the others. Blu-Ray will be able to fit so much more content on the disc, and PS3 versions will always have more content in their games in the future. Get over it 360 fans, and just buy the PS3
Sony is ON TOP, MS is the one trying to top Sony, but has been failing miserably
But what you say goes against what most developers are saying. DVD9 is more than enough disc space for cutting edge computers and video game systems. And it goes against what IGN PS3 editors and PSM editors are telling their readers. They all agree the 360 is a fantastic Next gen gaming system with tons of exclusive must have games. You keep talking about blu ray. lol...its very slow in its read times and multi dvds can store the same amount of game data if needed. And at E3 2006 the PS3 editors admitted that the 360 versions of ALL the 3rd party games including Madden looked and played better. And they used the words....Clearly and noticably played better. Not "Slightly"...lol...I ts not adding up. Over half a grand yet the 299 xbox 360 goes toe to toe with it? Thats the value you are talking about? lol....You still didn't answer my questions.
The PS3's Blu-ray drive is basically the same speed as the 360's dvd drive since the 12x DVD is a theoretical speed that never gets reached (unless a game actually hits exactly 8.5 Gb). Couple that with HDD caching (it's standard so almost all devs are compelled to do this on the PS3) and the PS3 ends up with faster load times.
The 2x bdrom is a constant read (variable rotation speed) drive that is slightly faster than the average read speed of a 10x dvdrom. However, a dvd has a variable read speed due to the fact that the disk spins at a constant rate. Aside from the fact that a 12x dvdrom has a faster average read speed to begin with, there are also 2 major advatages for the 12x dvdrom over a 2x bdrom: 1. Since a dvd spins at a constant rate, data is read off of the outer edge at a higher rate than near the center of the disk. If the disk is not completely full, it can be 'mastered', a process which moves the data on the disk towards the outside effictively increasing the 'average' read speed. With this process, a half-full mastered dvd would have a higher average read speed in a 6x dvdrom when compared to a 2x bdrom. Said disk in a 12x dvdrom would have a read speed approximately double that of a 2x bdrom. 2. Since a bdrom reads data at a constant rate, the disc must change speed to read different areas. Therefore the seek time becomes the time to move the lens (a few milliseconds) plus the time to change the speed of the disk (a few hundred milliseconds). A dvd doesn't have to change the speed of the disk so its seek times are just the time it takes to move the lens. Doesn't sound like a big deal until you notice that the 'punch' sound effect in a game always happens a quarter second after the punch lands... Late generation ps3's with 3x or better bdroms will certainly be more comparable to mastered dvd read rates but they will suffer with even worse seek times.
Who in the hell is it a better value for? A. The guy who buys systems when they hit 200 dollars? B. The kid who has to beg his mom for some new shoes that cost 100 dollars? C. The young man/woman that works a 9 to 5 and doesn't have an hd tv? D. The 2 - 5 % of HD TV owners who believe that HD DVD will win out over Blu ray? C. The hardcore sony fan who doesn't know any better?
Not to you I understand that. Because you are the Number ONE 360 fanatic. So dont start the crap as always. Also you said you are a Gamer, but everyone smart enough know that you also post as JAY THE XBOX BALLER. Visiting your space confirms that. So your pointless here is to convince the PS fans to buy a 360. You are not a fanboy: come on "JUMP IN" "THANKS MICROSOFT". LOL..LOL...LOL. "GOT IT? GET IT? GOOD." WELCOM3 CHANG3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
it has a good piece about the format wars!
Brought something to my Attention by saying the PS3 has more content. That is Null and Void cause if Microsoft is releasing Bigger HDDs in the Future They can add more Content even Easier.If they will be Charging Extra for Bonus through MS gamer Points maybe we should Jump In on the Profit and do the same. What Jin Said: "And at E3 2006 the PS3 editors admitted that the 360 versions of ALL the 3rd party games including Madden looked and played better. And they used the words....Clearly and noticably played better. " Thats True Jin But Guess What? By You saying that and not Posting any links to Back up your claims you make my job Harder cause now i have to tell more Little White lies to cover up Before Real Deal Diffuses them. Also the PC Version of Game (In Which the PS3 Version run on.) are Always slighty modified from consoles. Now Please My Faithful subjects Don't Make my Job harder than what is Since i won't have it for long.
"Sony Points" for downloadable content. Microsoft's point system is kinda bizarre and doesn't really add anything beneficial. They should just stick with the simple dollar values. Level pack: $5.00 Vehicle pack: $2.50 etc. What would be even better though (and this is just hypothetical) but remember that E3 slide of a Playstation Online card? What if you could just go to the store, buy a Playstion Online card with $50 stored on it, go home, and just stick into your PS3. No need to send credit card information over the phone or over the internet. Just plug it in and buy whatever the hell you want until the card runs out of money. If everything is on a standard dollar basis then it becomes even easier. And then whatever money you have left on the card can also be transferred onto your online account (like if you have $2 left but don't need anything else).
Just like the Microsoft points that are purchased in the stores so that you can go home and put it in your system without having to give credit card information or anything. Then after you have purchased whatever you want the extra is just stored as credit for latter.
Your still not answering the questions. And of course you would pull out the same old tired and played tactic that all sony fans use. People who enjoy the xbox 360 and are brave enought to boast about it with rabbid sony trolls on the boards must all be the same person. lol....lol....lol.....Thats ridiculous. I have one screen name on here. The truth to Sony fans is like Kryptonite to superman. Get over it. Answer my questions.
If you answer "C"...you are correct. Now the question is how many hardcore sony fans that just don't know any better with over half a grand to throw away are there in the world? 5 million? 10 million? We won't know till mid 2008. By the end of 2007 sony will be lucky to ship 10 million ps3's. lol.... Meanwhile MS will be on its 20 millionth 360 sold. Thanks Microsoft.
...but is a much better value than the XBox 360 MS pulled a Nintendo, and I will explain what I mean by that. Back in the day with N64,there where rumble capabilities, but only through an "add-on" rumble pack which required the constant purchase of batteries. Meanwhile Playstation provided the same rumble only it was built-in, eliminating the additional cost. 10 years later MS provide wireless controllers which require the constant purchase of batteries, unless you buy their "add-on" kit. Meanwhile Playstation 3 offers the same wireless capabilities minus the additional cost of batteries or add-on kits.(I guess history does repeat itself.) Another issue to consider is online play (you know, MS biggest selling point). MS offers an online gaming network experience which requires a (seemmingly) small subscription fee(If you are familiar with water weight, you know what I mean by seemmingly small.)Meanwhile Sony offers a "clone" service (with more potiential) minus the additional (annual) cost for play. Now to the issue of Blueray. Blueray is a NEXT-GEN storage medium, as Dvd was,(WAS)in its time. I mean, why wouldn't there be a next-gen disc drive in a next-gen console, just imagine if current-gen consoles had stuck with Cds and told us "We'll just use better compression techniques". The fact that you get next-gen movies playback (then with Dvd, and now with Blueray) is just a lovely bonus luxury, which MS offers as an $200 add-on (There's that word again). Only differnce is the $200 add-on support a medium with less storage space which translates to less potiential content. (Slightly off-topic but relevant section)Another thing people always holler is "dvd (>5Gb single layer) plus better compression tools is all we need". so if dvd + compression is enough than Blueray(25Gb single layer) plus compression is a bottomless pit, which means limitless creativity for devs. Just imagine having an open-world loadless game that doesn't consist of just one world but multiple planets including the space between planets or the entire planet! that is geographically correct, or getting a movie, the game to it, and "bonus material" the making of the movie, as well as, making of the game plus interviews all on the same disc, not with dvd we won't. (Back on topic) 20Gb PS3 gaming experiences (when compared to XBox 360) = $499 for console -$20 per wireless controller(xbox wireless controllers real price = $70), -$60 per year online gaming fee,-$200 credit to your account for HD-movies playback. Its like your get a free HD movie upgrade for buying a PS3, while MS charges you $200 for it. So technically in five years the PS3 pays for itself(based off a Xbox owner who wants to enjoy nearly the same possible experience as PS3[online gaming and hd movie playback]).Not to mention if you want wi-fi, thats an additional $100 for that same $100 Sony gives you wi-fi,Hdmi,multiple card reader and 40 additional Gbs. In conclusion Xbox360 is "cheaper" but only in quality
And Sonys "newly invented formatt fails?" Then is it still a good value to hardcore sony fans with money to blow on a failed formatt? You know that is highly possible. Right now HD players are selling 3 to 1 over blu ray. And with hd stand alones costing under 500 at walmart and hd dvd movies costing 20 dollars and under.... How can blu ray movies catch up? lol.....What then? Poor Sony. They blew it big time.
where is the logic again ? you can not know that the past repeats, if it would be so than ms would loose again. moron.
95% of the gaming community. Wireless adapter means nothing to the average gamer. Blu ray means nothing to the average gamer without an hd tv. Your not understanding. Who gets this value that you call the ps3? Not the gamer who typically buys systems between 150 and 200 dollars. Over half a grand is not a value to him or her? Agree? Its not a value to someone who don't own a HD tv. Which is just about everyone. Who gets this value? Understand yet? At 299 and on some sites 199 the 360 core is a value for gamers who want next gen games NOW.
wrong ! perhaps its right at the beginning, but the ps3 is designed for 6-8 years, so your point is senseless. in 3 years many many ppl will have hdtv. you only pointed out that the xbox360 is not future proof. the same was with the cd dvd.
C is tha correct answer.
some of u are more than happy to sink with the ship. i'm glad ms came along in the nick of time to save some of us "X" sony fans.
Heard of Edit?!?!
And they're just as important to this equation as Sony. Sony's marketing their system towards adults mostly, people who themselves grew up as gamers but now have disposable income and want the best possible technology. They'll get some teenagers too. Nintendo is aiming for people who don't have much money to spare but still want innovation and enjoyability (kids, teenagers, and even some adults). Microsoft is kind of stuck all over the place. Their core audience was hardcore gamers who wanted the most powerful system and the best graphics. But now that the 360 doesn't have the status of 'most powerful system' where does that leave them? The 360 is being marketed as a system the whole family can enjoy, from toddlers to grandparents. It tries to appeal to everyone, which is why everything about it (console, controller, marketing style) is pretty much soft and neutral. Problem is that by trying to appeal to everyone it loses some important qualities. The 360 looks...weak. Argue all you want, but the system has a very plain/weak look to it with the soft white surface and soft, nonobtrusive edges. The look of a console is more important than most analysts realize. Sony and Nintendo on the other hand have opted for hard lines and a slick sci-fi look. The Wii's disc drive has a sick neon rim and the fact that it rests on a slope makes it look pretty cool. The PS3 looks powerful and menacing with a nice sports-car paint job and chrome finish. The 360 looks like the Dell PCs at my school, right down to the big circle in the front and the orientation of the disc drive. They even have two USB ports hidden under a flap in the front. The similarities are eerie as hell.
Gears of War and Halo? Their DVD drive? Their HD-DVD addon? Gimme a break. They had their chance, and now it's Sony and Nintendo's time to return the favor and show us what true next-gen is supposed to be.