The console versions of Battlefield 3 will push Xbox 360 and PS3 to their technical limits, according to DICE - and the studio isn't scared by the prospect of Microsoft or Sony unveiling a new home console tomorrow.
Dice we all are prepped to see what you will bring to the next Gen Consoles.
So that's Epic, DICE and Ubisoft saying they're ready for the next gen. I'm sure more will join them over the next 18 months.
"Dice we all are prepped to see what you will bring to the next Gen Consoles." As long as it's not a military shooter, I'll agree with this statement. I don't want to sound like I'm hating, but these types of games--what are they really bringing to the industry? Great narrative? Great gameplay? The last military shooter I spent $60 on was COD 4 and everything else that's come along afterwards has done nothing but chase the coattails of that said game.
Im glad Dice is ready but the rest of the world is not. The economy all over the planet is in the crapper and I dont see many consumers jumping on board a brand new system atm.
Why does DICE feel the need to keep saying this every other day? Seems like I'm reading the same thing over and over and over again nearly every day here. Some perspective on cost... Dice showcases BF3 using a GTX580 a $500 card. The unreal demo used 3 of those. Factor in the cost of the additional hardware and you are looking at large sum of money for a next gen console today. No thanks I'll wait.
@PLB Chances are mate DICE are NOT saying the same thing every day.... it is just game websites saying it every day.... Ya know to..... gets hits and shits!
And then they'll get the low sales that they're begging for. "Derp! Release new consoles! We want the current userbases to drop back teh zero! We want development costs to skyrocket! We can't seem to make technically sound games, so give us more powerful, expensive hardware so that we don't have to become more talented at programming!"
Maybe DICE should master this generation of consoles before moving onto the next. Nothing they've released on consoles thus far was ever close to being graphics king of its time. True, I don't believe they've ever claimed this before, and this is on their Frostbite 2.0 engine which is very impressive, but Crytek has one of the most advanced engines in all of gaming and still couldn't make it look better on consoles than the exclusive giants on PS3 (Uncharted 2/3, Killzone 3, God Of War III, InFamous 2). If Battlefield 3 on consoles looks and runs as good or better than Killzone 3, then they're pushing the limits. It's possible but after Crytek failed to do it, I have my doubts. /inb4igetinsultedbythepeoplew hoactuallythinkcrysis2onconsole sisgraphicsking
"will push Xbox 360 and PS3 to their technical limits" We've heard this before and it is nothing to get excited about! Often it means a subHD glitchfest, that somehow doesn't look as good as many games on the market for these consoles! No swing at Dice, but I get really skeptical when I hear this phrase, no matter who's saying it!
"We want development costs to skyrocket! We can't seem to make technically sound games, so give us more powerful, expensive hardware so that we don't have to become more talented at programming!" Gotta love that. Developers want better hardware to improve games, and you're calling them lazy for wanting to do more. Shut up dice, we're happy with linear, 720p and 30fps games. /s
I've been ready for at least a year now. I honestly don't expect an announcement until next year at E3 though. Assuming Microsoft continues Halo every 3 years, 343i's Halo game will hit in 2013, and since Microsoft has complete control over 343i, they may want to use a Halo title to sell their next console, so it would make a great launch title. That's just what I think may end up happening.
They actually have the next generation tools, it's just not a completely new console. MOVE and KINECT are out DICE. Stop the talking and start the programming. Ready, set, go.
You left out Crytek Leprachaun. They are also ready. As well as id Software. With their Tech 5 engine to debut in RAGE. They are already saying its going to be the best looking game. CryEngine 3, Unreal Engine 4.0, Frostbite 2.0, What kinda next gen tech is Ubisoft hiding or riding on into next Generation? I say E3 2011/2012 will have some big bang impacts. Just because economy sucks doesn't mean business has to halt. Just because consoles haven't hit the same numbers as last generation doesn't mean we have to wait for them. PS3/X360 should have another 5 years in stores. Can't afford it then its not that big of a deal. Eventually you will. As long as next Gen stays below $500 bucks you shouldn't have to worry about consumers jumping on board. I say they will aim for $400 bucks. I am more than happy to see what DICE does. Likely battlefield related, but I am in love with Battlefield. As long as it isn't released every year and milked to death. Last Battlefield game came out in 2005. Battlefield 3 coming in 2011. That kinda release schedule is awesome. Gives gamers time to love the game, play it, Mod it, slap a few personal touches to it, and beg for another one. Maybe I am one of few one likes games to be made once every 5 years. 3 isn't a bad number either. As long as production lasts at least 2 years for quality.
Talk is cheap :)
@ Keith Olbermann I agree with you to a certain extent, but there will always be a demand for expensive electronic products. Just take a look at the Ipad 2 for instance, just because we're in tough times doesn't necessarily mean that the demand isn't there.
"studio isn't scared by the prospect of Microsoft or Sony unveiling a new home console tomorrow." Yeah, why they be scared of seeing a new console tomorrow when there WON'T be one tomorrow haha, more like 3 years down the road. I'm not afraid of Armageddon tomorrow....because I know it's not happening! Edit: I'm not saying I don't believe that they're ready for it though. If anyone's ready, it's them. I DON'T, however, believe Ubisoft...they talked sh*t on the PS3 around launch saying it was too difficult to develop on...
Either they have finalized specs for the next generation of consoles already or they're simply talking trash. My money is on the latter.
"more like 3 years down the road" that's what microsoft wants everyone to think, but the best thing that happened to the 360 was the year head start, they will really want that 1 year again before the PS4.
I think 3 years is a realistic number (i hope I'm wrong), the next-gen xbox could come out before ps4 but you can't look at the past and be sure ps4 will come out a year later again. It's not like Microsoft is this super-evil-genius company and Sony's just stupid...they're both smart, and last time Sony paid badly for the later launch...so you can't count on them wanting to make that mistake again...
Except for PC nerds.
Next gen is all the time for us.
yeah theres no point holding devs back with old hardware, its time to move on. i for one cant wait for the next gen consoles to hit the market, im seriously wanting more then the current gen can deliver.
Bring on the Next Gen Consoles already! The Box is such OLD TECH! I can't wait! =)
That's the way to go. If all developers were like this then everybody would be happy. I hope that they deliver an equal console experience on both platforms. :)
I cant wait for this game but the amount a talking they are doing is really starting to get on my nerves, i hope they are concentrating on the game as much as they are talking about it. I understand that they got to hype their game up but theres an article like this everyday on here and its just starting to get abit boring now.
I'm sure they are, but it's part of their 'COD takedown' program. Talk, raise interest, deliver, cash ! I hope.
I understand that this is part of thier plan to take down COD and i hope it does so that Activision raises their game for the COD series after all theres no harm in competition. But i hope theres not an article about this game everyday up intil the release other wise im going to be bored of the game before ive even played it which is not good. @ASSASSYN 36o I know its going to get worse due to E3 being round the corner but at least then we will have new footage of the game and new news about the game not the same thing over and over. Its like the COD PR team they hype and hype their game and the only thing they have left is for the consumer to be disapointed. Yes hype your game but not releasing a article everyday saying the same thing
It's called marketing. And it is absolutely nothing new to gaming. Devs even request to be interviewed. Not everyone reads n4g and/or buys gaming magazines. I recommend you simply avoid the articles if you feel bored buy the quantity. But it only gets worse from here, through e3 and as the game nears availability.
@ S_C I know what you mean mate, I don't much like the hype bandwagon either..... it's just crap to always hear hype! But, in this case I can sympathize with DICE as they are trying to go head to head with COD and therefore they need to build some hype and talk around this game in order to get it in peoples thoughts before it is released... and it is not the Battlefield fans that the hype will be directed at as they know we will already be planning to get it! Just look at 2 of the games franchises that get all the sales. COD and GTA.... And why do soooo many people que up for hours to get those games?? Partly because there have been genuinely enjoyable versions of those games in the past... But also because of the hype.... A mixture of "teh bestest game evar" and the controversy that puts the games in the spotlight. And it is a sad and unfortunate truth that in order to compete, other companies will use the same tactics!
Everyone wants next gen consoles. Crystek, Ubisoft, Captom, and now DICE. Give us a hard core next gen gaming system M$, leave the 360 to the casuals.
actually more companies dont want new consoles.....Alot have said that even higher development costs wont help the industry. and capcom is actually one of them. Most cant handle its not the systems that have lead us to a gaming depression, its the lack of originality and talent
O'rly http://www.computerandvideo... this capcom exec says otherwise. Capcom is anticipating taking their games to the next level just like all major game companies. They have ideas and plans that just can not be implemented on current systems just like steel battalion series could not be done on the Ps2. and capcom definitely has the finances to make the jump to next gen gaming. Yes cost may rise like it did with this gen. But the benifits out weigh the cost when you release solid titles. It's a gamble and they have known as much for well over 20+ years. Your talking about a veteran in the gaming industry you know.
The current consoles cost $300 on average, so how much would a gen8 console cost if released this or next year. $500-$600 for a new console at this point in time would be suicide for any console maker. Then add in the price for Kinect or Move and you've one very expensive console that wont have any true software support beyond what this gens consoles can deliver. Nintendo is the only one likely to release a new console and the Wii2 will actually bring them in line with this gens graphics. And the MSRP will likely be $299 which is exactly where the rest of this gen's consoles are priced. So I honestly don't expect to see the next gen until around 2014-15... cause gamers just can't afford to buy a gen8 console at this time. Edit: ASSASSYN 36o I find it funny how you mentioned as a prime example that Steel Battalion couldn't be done on the PS2.......... yet we haven't seen one on the 360. I'm just saying. Devs and Pubs are always going to say they are ready for the next gen/future of whatever. If they don't, it will cause investors to wonder about their long term future. It's just a common business practice to "instill confidence", just like officials will say "don't panic" in the middle of a crisis.... it's their job to say such things.
I find it funny your are oblivious to why it could not be done on the ps2. It was done on the xbox, it was because the harddrive they all contained which at the time of development the ps2 external hdd had yet to be released. And about steel battalion on Xbox 360. You never heard of steel battalion heavy armour?what's wrong... You didn't get the memo? Who is this we you are mentioning. Because we who played steel battalion and steel battilion line of contact have heard about it. Let me help you understand something that should be super simple. If it could be done on the Xbox. It can be done on the 360. Same for ps2 and ps3. Quit fishing cause you look stupid. http://xbox360.ign.com/arti... knock yourself out turbo. Now you can join the 'we'.
ASSASSYN 36o... You still fail. Steel Battalion: Line of Contact is an XBox game. Steel Battalion: Heavy Armor is a Kinect game that has yet to be released and we have not seen any gameplay. However, being a Kinect game it's certainly not going to have the level of control that the first game had... which is what made it great. Not to mention the 360 has been out for 6yrs and this is the first Steel Battalion for it, and it's a Kinect game?!? If Capcom was that ready then for the next gen why has it taken 6yrs for one of the most legendary games for the xbox to finally be released this gen... and it is in the form of a Kinect game. o_0 In the end your still missing the point. The industry is not ready for gen8 consoles. Gamers are not ready, Devs and Pubs are not ready, and neither are the console makers ready. Dice are just giving us the usual PR talk and you failed for it hook line and sinker. Give it up, we are just getting to the good part of this gen so sit back and enjoy. There has been talk of the next gen consoles on N4G for the past two years and will be more of it for at least 2-4 more. Lets just enjoy the great games of this gen as the best has yet to come.
Im curious. why would it cost more to make games on the next consoles? Wouldn't New tech mean that new stuff becomes possible with no to little effort. To make a good looking game with no sweat? Also it is entirely up to the devs how much they want to spend on each project. They choose, what, how, why, when.
Each polygon, texture, sound, animation, word of a script, and line of code has to be made/edited by someone. More content = more people on the payroll, thus it costs more to make the game. While it's true that 1 person can make a great game such as Limbo or Braid, it is also true that it would take that same person a lifetime to make GT5 or Battlefield 3. The level of detail that is expected of the next gen of games is going to be Olympic. Think Scifi movie level CGI but in realtime, then add in destructible environments and massive multiplayer with a high level of customization. That is what gamers are expecting of the next gen consoles. To create such a game requires a lot of work, and thus a lot of workers getting paid. Which equals a lot of money for devs, who get paid by publishers... who want extravagant returns on their investments.
@revxm 1. game development cost also increase -> like chozen woan said (before: few people working on 1 game, now: 100 or even more just for one game and longer development time as well). 2. would people buy new consoles at higher price in this economy? I would say highly unlikely. If that is true, then game developers won't see high return. They already result to selling DLCs (to make up on development costs, etc...) as it is. It is hard to say, and currently, it seems both sony and MS, except wii, are unwilling to start next gen just yet. But maybe E3 might change that and see who might take that leap of faith.
^ all they said is they expect it in 2-3 years. Your making the rest up yourself. And have the development costs made this gen better? not really.
There has been plenty casualties this gen due to gaming cost. More game companies have closed this gen than I can remember. But I don't just blame the cost of gaming. I blame a lot of it on the fact we were ass deep in a recession. But overall gaming cost have not helped much. But the demand from gamers to have better quality and detailed games has consistently risen and will continue. New consoles and more powerful PCs are simply a reflection of that.
if you gave me a nickel something was pushed to the limit........Id be rich
DICE actually deployed the Sony 1st party Max-O-Meter calculation framework in order to do an in-depth analysis of Battlefield 3's level of maxedoutness.
yes, yes, yes.. how many times we heard about consoles pushing to it's limits..? a lot .. I don't need for new consoles for at least 2 years more..
Couldn't agree more. I think new consoles at a high price point might cause a crash in the game industry. If the 3DS is struggling then you know things are bad with the economy.
true, especially about economy, I don't want to buy any more consoles at the moment, it's good with those that I have now...new good games, that's what I (we) want :)
@Raven_Nomad Its not that simple... Its not because 3DS is not selling like anticipated that the economy is bad..I mean yes the economy is not that good but 3DS has nothing to do with showing us how the gaming industry will react in term of economy
The 3DS is struggling because of crappy marketing and a launch library full of tired old retreads and horrible games.
and because you don't really get much for that $250 nintendo wants you to believe that this is so much better tahn anything out there, when actually it's like a psp1 mixed with a DSi with 3d thrown in, and that is the truth, the graphics are barely over psp and resolution isn't even as high as psp which is sad, it still uses a resistive touch screen (granted that is needed for the pen, but they could upgrade), battery life is even worse than DSi (even with everything off [3D, WiFi, brightness down, etc.]), so $250 seems steep for a (can i call it last-gen?) handheld with not much improvement
Devs claiming to push the consoles to their limits, the only limits they will be pushing is their current development tools not the consoles themselves. As previous gens have shown us and even this gen devs always claim to push the consoles to their limits. Then how comes a few months or a year later we see even better looking games? That is because their development tools at the time did not allow them to do what they can now. Same rule applies, give it a few months to a year and we will be reading the same thing again with devs claiming to have pushed the consoles to their limits...
This article says that they don't know anything about next generation yet. So don't expect Sony and MS announcing anything at this year's E3.
*Sigh* i thot Crytek said the same thng?
I almost thought that was a link to HipHopGamer
I find it funny how many people are agreeing with these multi-platform devs yet when PS3 exclusive devs say this everyone claims bullocks.
all the devs want new tech, its the cheap ass console manufacturs with their old ass 2004 tech that want to sell you crap like kinect and move, and cheap ass customers like all the whiners here that want their ps3 to last till 2014, GTFO with that garbage, we needed new consoles in 2010, I use my ps3 for a bluray and have not even played a game on it since demons souls/god of war 3. 1 hour of killzone 3 was enough, I did not like, plus, i like my shooters in HD with proper anti aliasing, PC FTW! How much more obvious can it be that it is PAST time for new consoles!!!!
Yep. Keep the current gen consoles out there for the budget-conscious gamer (kind of like how the PS2 is still sold currently), but give us the option to drop some coin on an upgrade. I don't think it's "past time" by historical standards, but we're definitely getting close to the period where they should be announcing plans.
Sony doesnt need next gen yet, MS does. Only reason i hear multiplat devs saying they need next gen is because they will reap the financial rewards developing for two consoles rather than one. KZ3, GOW3, UC3 say we dont need ps4 quite yet, thanks anyway.
And none of those games you mentioned have full destructible environments and use real time lighting and HDR in higher FP. Some of those games do not even use HDR at all.
" And none of those games you mentioned have full destructible environments and use real time lighting and HDR in higher FP. Some of those games do not even use HDR at all." And who says they need fully destructible environments? Only battlefield games and red faction games have had any relevant destruction, where is this bs about games needing destroyable environments coming from. Still doesn't make the games any less enjoyable, but then again i am not interested in a technical dick waving contest.
ridiculous, the Xbox 360 is more than capable, as PC games continue to use DVD's as does the 360 and there are plenty of games out there that have proved blu-ray is not need. Just because 1st party devs who make PS3 exlusives use up nearly 50gb do you really think they use 50gb worth of data solely for the game? No its padding mainly. If a game truely used up 50gb worth of space trust me the hardware would not be capable of delivering the level of detail developers would have used by using up that space. Oh and another thing the Xbox 360 has the superior GPU and as I said before the PS3 and 360 are rather evenly matched because the PS3 has the CELL to make up for the older GPU in the PS3 but has blu-ray and the 360 has the Xenos which is newer than the RXS and more capable but has DVD. So if anything both companies would need to bring out a newer machine but that isn't going to happen this year or next year who knows.
Yeah we dont want a new hardware the PS3 is just perfect, because playing at [email protected] is the ultimate experience ( damn console players ... ) Go go play your shitty KZ3 with 40° FOV et shitty input lag while i enjoy my fps on PC at 60fps with kb/mouse ( and thats just one example besides many ). There is not such thing as "next-gen" on PC. The master race will prevail.
Pushing the current gen consoles to the limit? Where have we heard that before?
I'm ready for PS4/720. When Sony releases the PS4 it does not mean they won't make PS3 games anymore. I can't fathom why anyone would have a problem with a new console, other than "I don't want to buy it and thus I don't want anyone else to enjoy it either". Bring on the new consoles. New technology is cool. Turn in your geek creds if you disagree! End of 2012/early 2013. Possibly sooner.
Well if they are maxing out the PS3 then that damn bluray disc better be filled to the limit and my PS3 better be working all 8 SPE's
wow...come on dice...really? You can't get any more outta the ps3? BULLSHIT. Agreed Gamer_Z
Their technical articles are quite interesting. They seem to be matching the 1st Party devs in terms of pushing the PS3's architecture.
I am pretty certain that Sony and Microsoft wont unveil a new console this E3. And the reason for me stating this is this. 1. For Sony They are going to show off the NGP for the first time in the states and unveiling the PS4 would kill a ton of hype for sonys new portable. Besides Sony has proven that it is focusing 2011 on the PS3 with many more titles to come in 2012. 2. For Microsoft They just released Kinect which they state would extend the life of the 360 plus they spent 500 million marketing the device. So i dont believe they will announce the 720 anytime soon since currently they can make a lot of money with Kinect. Funny thing is that Dice didnt mention the Wii 2. I guess they dont take Nintendo consoles seriously.
Well let's be honest... the Wii is a fine little console for what it is.... but it still is what it is! It is a games console for casual gamers, and for people who really like the nintendo classics like Mario. There is nothing wrong with the Wii, it fills its niche and it does that well... it is just not in the same league as the 2 main consoles, and it is not a gamers console! It plays it's part though for the gaming community and that is fair enough. Personally I got very quickly bored with my Wii and gave it to my mum, but the sales of it prove that plenty of people like it... so fair play to them!
Cant Wait for the PS4 version,
Me either....but we're gonna have to.
I don't think people have enough money to go out and buy a next gen console right now... recession and all that! Better for them to spend the time getting the next gen as best they can, and then release it just as peoples pockets start to get a little bit fuller!