Gamingbolt: The entire settlement documents detailing the court order between Sony and George “GeoHot” Hotz has made its way into the web.
Just what everyone suspected. Not allowed to hack, unsurprising. Hopefully the idiot will re-offend, then the consequences would be a bit more interesting
Could someone please just give us a quick summary ? EDIT: Ah, got it now.
Simply put, he's not allowed to hack sony products. It doesn't state too much more than that
"Wow, he's not ever allowed to circumvent the security on any Sony device as long as it is against the law. If he does it without trafficking the information, he has to pay a $10,000 fine. If he traffics the information, he has to pay a $250,000 fine. Sony have effectively tied his hands with regards to their products until the end of time, unless the law changes. He's still allowed to protest etc as that is a right." And now he's boycotting Sony's products as a result. Ouch, Sony are really gonna feel that one!
So much for his claims about "Im going to haxor the Xperia Play and NGP" He will never touch a Sony product again LOL
Pretty much what has been said, he is not allowed to in any way alter the security in a Sony product or use a tool to do so. I believe it also says up to $10,000 per a term being broken (should he do so again)
"And now he's boycotting Sony's products as a result. Ouch, Sony are really gonna feel that one!" I know right! They'll probably go out of business and all. I mean those hackers definitely decide who lives or dies. /sarcasm (I know there was sarcasm on your end too. :p )
Actually that post is incorrect. He can't hack a Sony device EVEN IF IT IS LEGAL. It states that in a form of a legal contract and Geo signed to it, he can NEVER hack a Sony device for the rest of his life.
Whatever, the meat of the discussions will NEVER be written down in a way that will be possibly made public. Either Geo gave Sony something hey wanted(most likely) or Sony offered HIM something-less likely, imho, as he had more face to lose having set himself up as a martyr and taking people's money for costs on that basis. Either way the real REASONS they arrived at this legal outcome aren't known and this doesn't tell us much really. Whatever, my gut feeling is that, were I in Hotz shoes I really wouldn't have wanted to settle after taking such a high moral stance and the people's money who supported that stance. Naturally I could be way wrong but if Hotz had the upper hand n this wouldn't he be more free to act and speak about it? Guess we'll never know for sure, mind.
He actually got off really easy. I think Sony realized the case wasn't going to stop the hack from spreading. Best to just lock him down and move on focus on firmware and other sites hosting the hack. Thats the real battle. It was more bad PR than it was worth.
This is a pretty funny outcome when you think about it. There are not many crimes where the only punishment for committing them is that you are not allowed to do them a second time.
Jack Meahoffer, the only person who got bad PR from this was Geo. Sony were never expected to lose the case in the eyes of the law, and most gamers and non-gamers alike will see that Sony managed to tie down someone indirectly related to creation of piracy on an electronic device. This is not bad PR for Sony, it is seen as victory by every company and every honest, hard working and paying customer.
Sony vs Geohot Sony won So much for geohotz amazing lawyers. I hope the people who support geohot see this outcome and realise that what they were fighting for is the right to steal. It was judged a crime. Geohot lost.
leaked where?! is just a statement from sony blog!
http://psx-scene.com/forums... There first page of the thread, three pdf telling all you need to know
Alot of criminals be they financial or other are repeat offenders. My guess hacking is an addiction to this kid and sony effectively cut him off from them. He comes off as weak and smarmy and thus will succumb to his old ways. Or sony is using him to gather evidence to locate anon and thus he might be a snake too. The guy that turned in the wikileaks suspect, Bradley Manning was an ex-hacker who befriended Manning and then stabbed him in the back.
sony isn't the only company out there that makes hackable devices. i'm sure, if he is addicted like you claim, that he will have plenty of places to get his fix.
That said, I wouldn't doubt them using him to bring down the other group of jokers. That's just the conspiracy theorist in me though. If I was someone in anon, I would stay far away from George Hotz, he's a marked man. If he was smart, he would use his talents for far less nihilistic aims and do something productive with his life that won't result in a lawsuit. I've managed to do it so far and It's not hard.
D. TRAFFICKING in any technology, product, service, device, component, or part thereof that, at the time of Hotz's trafficking, circumvents any of the TPMs or security in any SONY PRODUCT, including but not limited to the Ellptical Curve Signature Algorithm ("ECDSA") Keys, encryption andlor decryption keys, dePKG firmware decrypter program, Signing Tools, 3.55 Firmware Jailbreak, andlor any other technologies that enable unauthorized access to andlor copying of the PS3 System andlor enable compatibility of unauthorized copies of other copyrighted works with the PS3 System. E. Distributing or posting any SCEA or SCEA Affiliates' confidential or proprietary information relating to any SONY PRODUCT; F. Knowingly assisting or inducing others to engage in any of the conduct set forth in A-E above solely directed at any SONY PRODUCT or that otherwise constitutes contributory liabilty under the law. IT IS FURTHER ORDERED AND ADJUDGED that any violation of this Injunction and Order by Hotz shall result in his payment of stipulated liquidated damages in the amount of ten thousand dollars ($10,000) per violation at the election of SCEA or SCEA's Affiliates. In the event that the violation involves distribution or TRAFFICKING by Hotz of softare, hardware, or any CIRCUMVENTION DEVICE, or knowingly assisting the same, each distribution of said softare (including downloads via the Internet), hardware, or CIRCUMVENTION DEVICE shall.constitute an independent violation, up to a cap of two hundred and fifty thousand dollars ($250,000). Such liquidated damages shall be an optional alternative to demonstrating actual or, if relevant, statutory damages.IT IS FURTHER ORDERED AND ADJUDGED that any action or proceeding (other than a declaratory judgment action) that may be brought by SCEA or SCEA Affilates against Hotz arising out of, in connection with or by reason of the Parties' Settlement Agreement or this Judgment or to enforce the terms and conditions of the Parties' Settlement Agreement or this Judgment, shall be brought in the United States District Court for the Northern District of California. TheParties further agree that any action or proceeding (other than a declaratory judgment action) that may be brought by Hotz against SCEA arising out of, in connection with or by reason of the Parties' Settlement Agreement or this Judgment or to enforce the terms and conditions of the Parties' Settlement Agreement or this Judgment, shall be brought in the United States District Court for the District of New Jersey or the state in the United States of Hotz's current permanent residence. The Parties agree to waive any venue or jurisdictional challenges consistent with this paragraph. The Parties further agree that the laws of the state of California shall govern to the exclusion of the law of any other forum in any action or proceeding brought by any party arising out of, in connection with or by reason of the Parties' Settlement Agreement or this Judgment or to enforce the terms and conditions of the Parties' Settlement Agreement or this Judgment. IT IS FURTHER ORDERED AND ADJUDGED that entry of this Judgment shall conclude this action to the prejudice of any and all claims or cross-claims deemed merged and barred in accordance with the law.
nvm i missread
lol he released all the code before the lawsuit over the internet, in the future he can just to release any other hack with other name and sony can't track him...he is a good hacker, do you think he will upload anything from his house? hahahah...do you remember dar alex? the psp hacker, he gived up the psp hacking for some time because sony was breathing around his neck but he continued his work using other nickname, uploading files to unknown servers, in seconds thousends of people donwnloades this files and started to share it, imposible to track the source....do you actually think that geohot didn't know that already? hahahahaha
I'm pretty sure that they could get the IP address of the poster and he'd be pretty buggered
really, what if that someone uploaded it from there local library, or school, work. Simply put there are ways around it. heck you could even log on using someone elses account names and do it so it won't be tracked back to you. Its really easy to get by. Same for just going over to someone elses house and doing it. or even making a file that is sent to someone elses house that autouploads it if they detact a torrent program. All sorts of ways to do it. lol think outside the box.
The thing is he has 250,000 good reasons to not even try.
whats stopping him from hacking sony products and then having someone else release the info. Damage is done though, the hacking community has united against sony and each and every Sony product from now on will be Priority #1 for hackers. Free games for all.
Because no one would to risk themselves from getting sued by Sony. Who in the right mind after this would go up and support hotz by releasing his info? They will just get sued too.
"Because no one would to risk themselves from getting sued by Sony" If the most severe outcome to being sued by Sony is not being allowed to hack Sony products in the future, then how is that a risk?
hope it was worth it.
So basically if Hotz does anything resembling hacking a PS3, or urges on others to hack, he's insta-fined 10 grand/goes to jail. Good.
fatality flawless victory lol jk. But yeah i kept telling people this all this time, there is just no way this guy would handle the heat. And all his donators are out to be feeling pretty down right about now, what a waste of money, what a waste of time. So much for them rap videos, and what this does is changes things for companies like apple and even Microsoft as well. They better thank Sony for sticking to their guns with all this none sense. Well? time for the other cases, up next. The whole Other OS debate. And after LG. As for them kids boycotting on the 16th, i wonder how many of Sony's stores can they get to with that tiny number of followers. I mean Sony after all have these stores located practically everywhere, meaning not just here in the US.
And $250,000 if he makes the information public I believe...
It is $10,000 per distribution, up to a max of $250k. So 25 people need to download what he makes public for the maximum to apply (pretty likely, but figured I'd be precise).
bit. basically it saying he cannot hack every sony product including future NGP
only the fine no jail time but it's actually up to 250,000 if he spreads the hack
I doubt he can come up with 250k dollars, he probably wont even be able to come up with 10k dollars without donations. If he isn't spreading it, why would anyone donate? Thus he will get put in jail for failing to follow agreement. And if he does come up with the money somehow, Sony would thank him for the nice donation of stupidity.
I love how at the beginning of this, he had several demands if Sony wanted to settle. Bahahahahahahahaahahahahaha!
Geohotz is such a fool. Now, let's see how he faces his supporters after coming to an agreement with Sony, whom he said he'll fight with till his last breath.
J.w manipulating people? Didn't see that one coming. Will he return funds that he raised? Guess not. O well serves you right suckers.
Now the question is who leaked it just hours after the announcement. Money on Sony?
I think it's Sony too. This only shows the injunction that geohot has to abide to. Is there a separate one for Sony too? Or am I wrong? Either way, what's stated on the document is pretty much what was expected.
He agreed to an injunction. The end Sony just drops the lawsuit against him.
AT GODMARS Download the pdf look at page 9 his signature is there maybe its time for payback? hmm.
By all rights, given that he got noting he's asked for publicly, he's lost. What point is there showing how his hands are tied?
Sony has more to gain by leaking it. It both undermines geohot's official sony "Boycott", by making it apparent that it's a forced boycott. and shows the heafty fines.
Haha sucks for him. He can't do anything to Sony whatsoever or he's in trouble. Hell if someone else hacks it and he links someone to a webpage with the hack he is distributing the content and can be fined $250,000. lol ouch. So basically he's got keep his nose clean and stay out of any and all hacking related to Sony or in general. One slip up and you better believe Sony will hammer him.
Well that's the price you pay for fame, well at least in this case. Want to show off and brag, go ahead and lose your head. Is what i say to kids like him.
This should serve as a warning to other hackers hopefully
whats wrong with hacking? hacking != cheating... whats wrong with a DIY approach to repairing or adding features to consoles?
They wanna add a feature to a console? make their own console or do it on PC where it is a OPEN platform. Hacking may not = cheating but it will more than likely lead to cheating and piracy since this is humanity we are speaking of and they are a greedy bunch.
Common curtesy would be nice in the hacking community. No 10 year olds that think flying in COD is cool are allowed to touch the hack. Then I will be fine with hackers. You can break the code yourself? Then your not a hacker and shouldnt be touching this stuff...end of story.
So basically he got away with a slap on the wrist. This tells me either Sony knew they weren't going to win or realized that they'd actually lose more money if they sued due to court fees, lawyer fees and what not.
When the hell did settlements equal loss?
My dude if anyone was going to lose any money it was him, Sony is doing fine these days they are in the profitable side of things. Because lets face it, does it even matter to Sony? no. I mean they have other cases going on as we speak, all they care about is winning their cases and sending that message whatever that may be. If anything they(Sony)know, they can always make that money back within the stretch of a quarter or two, i couldn't say the same for this kid who... Is a regular joe with an ego the size of a mountain whose financial status clearly doesn't compliment his confidence. He had to rely on donation money which realistically wasn't going to make much of a difference here. So compared to him, i say Sony's finances are endless wouldn't you say? However i will say this, whenever two giants clash its a whole different story and your assessment in that regard would than make more sense.
Umm, it's more than likely that Hotz' lawyers asked for this settlement because Sony were bound and determined to fight this to its most bitter conclusion. This slap on the wrist as you call it is likely the result of Hotz' lawyers realizing they don't have a snowball's chance in Hell and begged Sony for leniency. Notice the silence of his supporters on this article? They all thought he was going to win, and as was said from the very start, he didn't.
"Notice the silence of his supporters on this article? They all thought he was going to win, and as was said from the very start, he didn't. " Because they still could win, because you are not realizing the true reason behind WHY people were, and still are, hacking the system: OtherOS removal, which N4G's posters seem determined to defend Sony to the death about. You still have the galf guy who is going to fight to the death, you still have Anonymous (obviously), and you still have the OtherOS suit. Thing is, though, it doesn't seem like Sony is giving up ANYTHING in this settlement. They don't agree to not go after homebrew efforts, or anything like that (PLEASE shut the fuck up about if that's a viable reason or not). They wanted Hotz to give EVERYTHING up, but them to continue their ways. Meanwhile, there won't be ONE PS3 fanboy that even LISTENS to the other side on this site. Fucking backstabbers we got here. Thing is, though, the OtherOS issue is not dead, and that's the ONLY reason the PS3 was ever hacked. It seems as though Sony really doesn't want to have to reinstate that in any way because it costs too much money for them to maintain (and fail to anyone who tries to make any hacker the scapegoat about OOS removal). Yeah, Hotz made a COMPLETE 180 and is acting like a coward (especially when he could've had Sony by the balls in this case). I guess money does buy happiness. And I guess that we have complete douchebags commenting on this site.
I'm sorry but would you and everyone PLEASE give up the OtherOS issue. Honestly. For goodness sake you didn't care about it when you had it, and everyone and their mother knows that. Only reason people are b*tching is because of a vocal minority of hackers that GeoHot got riled up thought they could do whatever the hell they wanted to thanks to Linux. People want what they can't have, it's human nature, but virtually no one used the feature. It is a lame excuse to whine about something and try to get easy money from Sony. It will go nowhere. Listing your examples, here we go. No, they can't win. If you truly think the true reason people are hacking the system is OtherOS then you're naive. Why hack the system for a feature you never frickin' used when you had it legitimately. Doesn't make much sense does it? That's because OtherOS is the poster child, the face, the scapegoat as it were. It is a catalyst that "the scene" is trying to rally behind as a legitimizer for their illegal actions. You're one of those people that are whining about Sony removing an advertised feature, and as I have stated before, I shall state again. LINK OR STFU!! Graf was dealt with more harshly than GeoHot was, and you can bet he will continue to be dealt with harshly if he so much as blinks at a PS3 again. When the PS3 was broken wide open with the master root keys WHERE THE HELL WAS OTHER OS?!! Do you see people using it? Hell no, because it's not about OtherOS. Not for GeoHot, and NOT for Graf either. Anonymous aren't even worth mentioning. Their crusade is laughable, and they are only succeeding on pissing of the userbase while Sony sits back and laughs at them. They are no threat to anything. The OtherOS suit will go nowhere, and in the unlikely event that the plaintiffs win that case, it still does nothing for GeoHot or "the scene". At best it would force Sony to release a firmware reinstating the option for OtherOS but it doesn't mean that Sony will have to allow Linux, or won't block off most of the PS3's resources to another OS. You bring up PS3 fanboys, meaning you're pretty much calling the majority of the user base fanboys for not wanting the PS3 to be compromised. You want to know why no one is listening, because the hackers and their supporters are B.S.'ing everyone. No one believes for one second that this is about homebrew and emulators when the pinnacle of that scene is on PC's. You can convince one or two people into being that gullible, but we weren't born yesterday alright. Be real here. Keep on spewing that it's about OtherOS, covering up the fact that it's about piracy, cheating, hacking PSN. It cost Sony NOTHING to put the feature on the console. They don't have continuing costs for the feature. If anyone had a cost issue with it it was IBM. OtherOS ate up system memory, that is true, and no one used it. Stop living in denial and trying to cover up the truth. GeoHot lost, this isn't the Apple case, and this was called right from the start.
@ darkpower Just give it up already. You complain about people not listening. Did you ever stop to think your argument may be weak and you're running on nothing but emotion. Look at your posts. "They don't agree to not go after homebrew efforts, or anything like that (PLEASE shut the fuck up about if that's a viable reason or not)." "(and fail to anyone who tries to make any hacker the scapegoat about OOS removal)." You want to be a debater and the debate moderator as well. That alone tells me your arguments don't stand on their own. Your angry tone speaks volumes. I also don't understand how you've been backstabbed. What weakness did you expose to N4G users that was used against you? So tell me then, what is the truth behind Sony's diabolical removal of the Other OS feature? And lastly, lets assume you're right. You've been singing this same song since this began. Nobody on N4G listens. Yet you continue to sing...and bang your head against a wall...to what end? And to take a page from your book...Please STFU about slippery slopes and loss of consumer rights, etc. Kind of makes it hard to have a decent discourse, doesn't it?
@ darkpower THEN SHOW ME THE FREAKING COMMERCIAL FOR OTHEROS! god I'm so sick of hearing that shit... "blah blah it was an advertised feature! I payed 600 for it! blah blah blah" ITS NOT EVEN ON THE FEATURES PART OF THE GODDAMN LAUNCH BOX! I'll change my tune when I see the Advertisement that is all about it.
@darkpower "Because they still could win," You realize settlements is just that...a settle between BOTH PARTIES. If they still could win, then they could have continued on said situation. A settlement defines legal requirements of the parties, and is often put in force by an order of the court after a JOINT AGREEMENT by BOTH PARTIES.
now Some Donators are realy pissed off LOl
The donors should be pissed off at themselves...no one else.
yea cause believing and hoping for the dmca to get changed is wrong... the law is unjust and grats corporations to much power after the point of sale
The people who donated are maggots, I don't feel bad if they are out of money.
how are they maggots? what is wrong with wanting to be able to unlock a device than be able to teach other how to do the same?
He's gotta be pissed off about never being able to hack Sony products but I bet the suckers who donated thousands to him are even more pissed lmao . He's probe sitting counting all your cash he has left as I type this .
It seems like a viable business strategy to me. 1) Take a stab at a major corporation. 2) Wait to get sued by said major corporation. 3) Ask for donations under the pretense of fighting the good fight. 4) Agree to play nice with said major corporation. 5) ???? 6) Profit! Edit: I forgot to throw in a South American vacation between numbers 3 and 4.