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Sony and GeoHot settlement documents leaked

Gamingbolt: The entire settlement documents detailing the court order between Sony and George “GeoHot” Hotz has made its way into the web.

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rabidpancakeburglar2440d ago (Edited 2440d ago )

Just what everyone suspected. Not allowed to hack, unsurprising. Hopefully the idiot will re-offend, then the consequences would be a bit more interesting

pedrami912440d ago (Edited 2440d ago )

Could someone please just give us a quick summary ?

EDIT: Ah, got it now.

rabidpancakeburglar2440d ago

Simply put, he's not allowed to hack sony products. It doesn't state too much more than that

Acquiescence2440d ago

"Wow, he's not ever allowed to circumvent the security on any Sony device as long as it is against the law. If he does it without trafficking the information, he has to pay a $10,000 fine. If he traffics the information, he has to pay a $250,000 fine.

Sony have effectively tied his hands with regards to their products until the end of time, unless the law changes. He's still allowed to protest etc as that is a right."

And now he's boycotting Sony's products as a result. Ouch, Sony are really gonna feel that one!

Istanbull2440d ago

So much for his claims about "Im going to haxor the Xperia Play and NGP"

He will never touch a Sony product again LOL

NBT912440d ago

Pretty much what has been said, he is not allowed to in any way alter the security in a Sony product or use a tool to do so.

I believe it also says up to $10,000 per a term being broken (should he do so again)

radphil2440d ago (Edited 2440d ago )

"And now he's boycotting Sony's products as a result. Ouch, Sony are really gonna feel that one!"

I know right! They'll probably go out of business and all. I mean those hackers definitely decide who lives or dies.

/sarcasm

(I know there was sarcasm on your end too. :p )

phosphor1122440d ago

Actually that post is incorrect. He can't hack a Sony device EVEN IF IT IS LEGAL. It states that in a form of a legal contract and Geo signed to it, he can NEVER hack a Sony device for the rest of his life.

mastiffchild2440d ago

Whatever, the meat of the discussions will NEVER be written down in a way that will be possibly made public. Either Geo gave Sony something hey wanted(most likely) or Sony offered HIM something-less likely, imho, as he had more face to lose having set himself up as a martyr and taking people's money for costs on that basis.

Either way the real REASONS they arrived at this legal outcome aren't known and this doesn't tell us much really. Whatever, my gut feeling is that, were I in Hotz shoes I really wouldn't have wanted to settle after taking such a high moral stance and the people's money who supported that stance. Naturally I could be way wrong but if Hotz had the upper hand n this wouldn't he be more free to act and speak about it?

Guess we'll never know for sure, mind.

Jack Meahoffer2440d ago

He actually got off really easy. I think Sony realized the case wasn't going to stop the hack from spreading. Best to just lock him down and move on focus on firmware and other sites hosting the hack. Thats the real battle. It was more bad PR than it was worth.

Mahr2440d ago

This is a pretty funny outcome when you think about it. There are not many crimes where the only punishment for committing them is that you are not allowed to do them a second time.

RedDragan2439d ago (Edited 2439d ago )

Jack Meahoffer, the only person who got bad PR from this was Geo. Sony were never expected to lose the case in the eyes of the law, and most gamers and non-gamers alike will see that Sony managed to tie down someone indirectly related to creation of piracy on an electronic device.

This is not bad PR for Sony, it is seen as victory by every company and every honest, hard working and paying customer.

Shadow Flare2439d ago (Edited 2439d ago )

Sony vs Geohot

Sony won

So much for geohotz amazing lawyers. I hope the people who support geohot see this outcome and realise that what they were fighting for is the right to steal. It was judged a crime. Geohot lost.

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zeddy2440d ago

leaked where?! is just a statement from sony blog!

cemelc2440d ago (Edited 2440d ago )

http://psx-scene.com/forums...

There first page of the thread, three pdf telling all you need to know

gorebago2440d ago

Alot of criminals be they financial or other are repeat offenders.

My guess hacking is an addiction to this kid and sony effectively cut him off from them. He comes off as weak and smarmy and thus will succumb to his old ways.

Or sony is using him to gather evidence to locate anon and thus he might be a snake too. The guy that turned in the wikileaks suspect, Bradley Manning was an ex-hacker who befriended Manning and then stabbed him in the back.

Therealspy032440d ago

sony isn't the only company out there that makes hackable devices. i'm sure, if he is addicted like you claim, that he will have plenty of places to get his fix.

gorebago2440d ago (Edited 2440d ago )

That said, I wouldn't doubt them using him to bring down the other group of jokers. That's just the conspiracy theorist in me though. If I was someone in anon, I would stay far away from George Hotz, he's a marked man.

If he was smart, he would use his talents for far less nihilistic aims and do something productive with his life that won't result in a lawsuit. I've managed to do it so far and It's not hard.

harrisk9542440d ago

Here are the settlement terms:

IT IS HEREBY ORDERED AND ADJUDGED by consent of the Parties that Hotz,
whether as an individual or as a principal, officer, director or employee of any business
entity, and his agents, servants, employees, distributors, suppliers, representatives and all
other persons or entities acting in concert or participation with Hotz who receive notice of
this Judgment, shall be and hereby are permanently enjoined and restrained from:
A. Engaging in any unauthorized access to any SONY PRODUCT under the
law;
B. Engaging in any unauthorized access to any SONY PRODUCT under the
terms of any SCEA or SCEA AFFILIATES' license agreement or terms of use
applicable to that SONY PRODUCT, whether or not Hotz has accepted such
agreement or terms of use, including without limitation:
(i) reverse engineering, decompiling, or disassembling any portion of the Sony Product;
(ii) using any tools to bypass, disable, or circumvent any encryption,
security, or authentication mechanism in the Sony Product;
(iii) using any hardware or softare to cause the Sony Product to accept
or use unauthorized, illegal or pirated softare or hardware; and
(iv) exploiting any Sony Product to design, develop, update or distribute
unauthorized softare or hardware for use with the Sony Product.
If any term of such SCEA or SCEA Affilates' license agreement or terms of
use applicable to that Sony Product shall be determined by Congress or by a
court of law in a final non-appealable decision in an action to which SCEA or
an SCEA Affiliate is a party to be illegal and unenforceable, then such term
shall not be binding on Hotz.
C. CIRCUMVENTING any of the TPMs or security iany SONY PRODUCT;

harrisk9542440d ago (Edited 2440d ago )

D. TRAFFICKING in any technology, product, service, device, component, or
part thereof that, at the time of Hotz's trafficking, circumvents any of the
TPMs or security in any SONY PRODUCT, including but not limited to the
Ellptical Curve Signature Algorithm ("ECDSA") Keys, encryption andlor
decryption keys, dePKG firmware decrypter program, Signing Tools, 3.55
Firmware Jailbreak, andlor any other technologies that enable unauthorized
access to andlor copying of the PS3 System andlor enable compatibility of
unauthorized copies of other copyrighted works with the PS3 System.
E. Distributing or posting any SCEA or SCEA Affiliates' confidential or
proprietary information relating to any SONY PRODUCT;
F. Knowingly assisting or inducing others to engage in any of the conduct set
forth in A-E above solely directed at any SONY PRODUCT or that otherwise
constitutes contributory liabilty under the law.
IT IS FURTHER ORDERED AND ADJUDGED that any violation of this Injunction
and Order by Hotz shall result in his payment of stipulated liquidated damages in the amount of ten thousand dollars ($10,000) per violation at the election of SCEA or SCEA's
Affiliates. In the event that the violation involves distribution or TRAFFICKING by Hotz of
softare, hardware, or any CIRCUMVENTION DEVICE, or knowingly assisting the same,
each distribution of said softare (including downloads via the Internet), hardware, or
CIRCUMVENTION DEVICE shall.constitute an independent violation, up to a cap of two
hundred and fifty thousand dollars ($250,000). Such liquidated damages shall be an
optional alternative to demonstrating actual or, if relevant, statutory damages.IT IS FURTHER ORDERED AND ADJUDGED that any action or proceeding (other
than a declaratory judgment action) that may be brought by SCEA or SCEA Affilates
against Hotz arising out of, in connection with or by reason of the Parties' Settlement
Agreement or this Judgment or to enforce the terms and conditions of the Parties'
Settlement Agreement or this Judgment, shall be brought in the United States District
Court for the Northern District of California. TheParties further agree that any action or
proceeding (other than a declaratory judgment action) that may be brought by Hotz against
SCEA arising out of, in connection with or by reason of the Parties' Settlement Agreement
or this Judgment or to enforce the terms and conditions of the Parties' Settlement
Agreement or this Judgment, shall be brought in the United States District Court for the
District of New Jersey or the state in the United States of Hotz's current permanent
residence. The Parties agree to waive any venue or jurisdictional challenges consistent
with this paragraph. The Parties further agree that the laws of the state of California shall
govern to the exclusion of the law of any other forum in any action or proceeding brought
by any party arising out of, in connection with or by reason of the Parties' Settlement
Agreement or this Judgment or to enforce the terms and conditions of the Parties'
Settlement Agreement or this Judgment.
IT IS FURTHER ORDERED AND ADJUDGED that entry of this Judgment shall
conclude this action to the prejudice of any and all claims or cross-claims deemed merged
and barred in accordance with the law.

metsgaming2440d ago (Edited 2440d ago )

nvm i missread

tatotiburon2440d ago

lol he released all the code before the lawsuit over the internet, in the future he can just to release any other hack with other name and sony can't track him...he is a good hacker, do you think he will upload anything from his house? hahahah...do you remember dar alex? the psp hacker, he gived up the psp hacking for some time because sony was breathing around his neck but he continued his work using other nickname, uploading files to unknown servers, in seconds thousends of people donwnloades this files and started to share it, imposible to track the source....do you actually think that geohot didn't know that already? hahahahaha

rabidpancakeburglar2440d ago

I'm pretty sure that they could get the IP address of the poster and he'd be pretty buggered

NaiNaiNai2440d ago

really, what if that someone uploaded it from there local library, or school, work.

Simply put there are ways around it. heck you could even log on using someone elses account names and do it so it won't be tracked back to you.

Its really easy to get by.

Same for just going over to someone elses house and doing it.

or even making a file that is sent to someone elses house that autouploads it if they detact a torrent program.

All sorts of ways to do it. lol think outside the box.

BISHOP-BRASIL2440d ago

The thing is he has 250,000 good reasons to not even try.

socomnick2440d ago

whats stopping him from hacking sony products and then having someone else release the info.

Damage is done though, the hacking community has united against sony and each and every Sony product from now on will be Priority #1 for hackers.

Free games for all.

Finger-Eater2440d ago

Because no one would to risk themselves from getting sued by Sony. Who in the right mind after this would go up and support hotz by releasing his info? They will just get sued too.

Mahr2440d ago

"Because no one would to risk themselves from getting sued by Sony"

If the most severe outcome to being sued by Sony is not being allowed to hack Sony products in the future, then how is that a risk?

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OhMyGandhi2440d ago (Edited 2440d ago )

hope it was worth it.

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Brian52472440d ago (Edited 2440d ago )

So basically if Hotz does anything resembling hacking a PS3, or urges on others to hack, he's insta-fined 10 grand/goes to jail. Good.

supremacy2440d ago (Edited 2440d ago )

fatality flawless victory lol jk.

But yeah i kept telling people this all this time, there is just no way this guy would handle the heat. And all his donators are out to be feeling pretty down right about now, what a waste of money, what a waste of time.
So much for them rap videos, and what this does is changes things for companies like apple and even Microsoft as well. They better thank Sony for sticking to their guns with all this none sense.

Well? time for the other cases, up next. The whole Other OS debate. And after LG.

As for them kids boycotting on the 16th, i wonder how many of Sony's stores can they get to with that tiny number of followers. I mean Sony after all have these stores located practically everywhere, meaning not just here in the US.

NBT912440d ago

And $250,000 if he makes the information public I believe...

aGameDeveloper2440d ago

It is $10,000 per distribution, up to a max of $250k. So 25 people need to download what he makes public for the maximum to apply (pretty likely, but figured I'd be precise).

rrw2440d ago

bit. basically it saying he cannot hack every sony product including future NGP

Darkfocus2440d ago

only the fine no jail time but it's actually up to 250,000 if he spreads the hack

Soldierone2440d ago

I doubt he can come up with 250k dollars, he probably wont even be able to come up with 10k dollars without donations. If he isn't spreading it, why would anyone donate?

Thus he will get put in jail for failing to follow agreement. And if he does come up with the money somehow, Sony would thank him for the nice donation of stupidity.

jeeves862440d ago

I love how at the beginning of this, he had several demands if Sony wanted to settle.

Bahahahahahahahaahahahahaha!

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psb2440d ago

Geohotz is such a fool. Now, let's see how he faces his supporters after coming to an agreement with Sony, whom he said he'll fight with till his last breath.

Iamback2440d ago (Edited 2440d ago )

J.w manipulating people? Didn't see that one coming.
Will he return funds that he raised? Guess not. O well serves you right suckers.

Godmars2902440d ago

Now the question is who leaked it just hours after the announcement.

Money on Sony?

cyborg2440d ago (Edited 2440d ago )

believe

Eamon2440d ago

I think it's Sony too.

This only shows the injunction that geohot has to abide to.

Is there a separate one for Sony too? Or am I wrong?

Either way, what's stated on the document is pretty much what was expected.

UnwanteDreamz2440d ago

He agreed to an injunction. The end

Sony just drops the lawsuit against him.

just_looken2440d ago

AT GODMARS

Download the pdf look at page 9 his signature is there maybe its time for payback? hmm.

Godmars2902440d ago

By all rights, given that he got noting he's asked for publicly, he's lost. What point is there showing how his hands are tied?

darkdoom30002440d ago

Sony has more to gain by leaking it.

It both undermines geohot's official sony "Boycott", by making it apparent that it's a forced boycott.

and shows the heafty fines.

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PS360PCROCKS2440d ago

Haha sucks for him. He can't do anything to Sony whatsoever or he's in trouble. Hell if someone else hacks it and he links someone to a webpage with the hack he is distributing the content and can be fined $250,000. lol ouch. So basically he's got keep his nose clean and stay out of any and all hacking related to Sony or in general. One slip up and you better believe Sony will hammer him.

supremacy2440d ago

Well that's the price you pay for fame, well at least in this case.

Want to show off and brag, go ahead and lose your head. Is what i say to kids like him.