HD-DVD players outsell Blu-ray players 4 to 1

It seems that the next generation high definition movie format war between HD-DVD and Blu-ray is far from over.

According to the latest statistics on Amazon, HD-DVD is absolutely crushing Blu-ray to the tune of 4 to 1. Out of the top 20 " most popular items in DVD Players and Recorders" HD-DVD occupies 4 different slots, including the #1 slot. On the Blu-Ray side things are not looking so good with only 1 slot and it sits at #20. See the list here.

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PS360WII4085d ago

Is this just for stand alone players? That's not to shabby if it is, but I wonder what it is counting the PS3 and 360 add-on in addition to all the PC HD/BR drives.

actionjackson4085d ago (Edited 4085d ago )

It is not counting the PS3. The problems with these numbers are that they are very easy to skew in the direction you want it to favor. I'm not favoring any side but if the numbers, as a whole are to be looked at, the PS3 and the X360 HD-DVD add-on must be included in total sales. They are fully functioning BR and HD-DVD players, respectively. However the story does not end there. The reason the HD-DVD camp does not want to include the PS3 in the number is not simply for BR players sold, but because of the effect the PS3 has on the BR technology as a whole. Most people analyze this format war in terms of standalone players sold and movie disks sold. People often forget that the PS3's exclusive format is BR, and is single handedly fueling the BR technology. Let's not forget that every game sold = a BR disk sold. The PS3's games are made on the BR format and this significantly impacts numbers. HD-DVD is primarily used as a movie format for the time being. If the PS3 were to factored into sales of BR players, then the number of BR disks sold would be astronomical as compared to the disks sold on HD-DVD. These "Top Sellers" by HD category lists would be lead, not by movies, but by PS3 games, which are BR disks. Games like R:FOM have already sold close to 2 million copies of BR disks. Not one movie in the "format war" has accomplished that. This is a reason why the PS3 is never factored. The HD-DVD camp will never want the PS3 added to the numbers, since the numbers will shift so dramatically to the BR side, in all aspects (standalone players sold, movies, sold, and disks sold). Therefore, the numbers will always be skewed to the arguement an author of an article is trying to make.

@ cuco33
I agree that X360 add-on and PS3 should always be included. However, I I want to clear up one thing you mentioned. To say most PS3 owners do not buy BR, is a bit wrong. Actually, every game a PS3 owner buys is BR. BR is not exclusively movies. PS3's games are however exclusively BR. I think people forget this aspect of the PS3. If attach rates for BR disk per PS3 owner is analyzed, every sale of a game would change the view of this format war. The PS3 is clearly fueling disk sales for the BR camp. As I poined out above, if disk sales were a factor for analysis, PS3 games would be outnumbering the whole format war by a significant amount.

cuco334085d ago (Edited 4085d ago )

things that the BDA themselves would include for BD players but not BD software sales attachments. It's a tricky statistic that only marketing and management will spin in their own way.

Personally I say include the PS3 in hardware sales. The HD DVD add on should ALWAYS be included, why? Simple. The add on can only do one thing, play HD DVDs. The PS3 can do many things from gaming to BD playing. Since PS3 isn't pushing BD like the BDA wanted, and the fact the most PS3 owners don't buy BD, you'll see why PS3 isn't included.

Good to know though!

EDIT: to actionjackson
I understand your logic and is why I feel if BD for movies fails the PS3 will be fine on it's own. Similar to PSP and UMD where UMD movies failed but PSP is still doing fine. But what the movie studios care for is BD as an HDM media, not a storage media for PC or gaming market.
Those interested in games care only about attachment rates of games per console. Likewise, those interested in movies only care for the attachment rates of movies per player.

marinelife94085d ago

They found one outlet (Amazon) for one time period (updated hourly) to claim HD-DVD is outselling Blu-Ray 4 to 1. When the big picture is actually in all outlets for the past several months it's been about a 45/55 split?

And they say that movie studios are going to switch because of it?



I understand what you are saying about movie studio care about BR as storage for HDM media, but the point about how PS3 is more significant than that is because PS3 is pushing BR technology as a whole. Think about how many BR disc actually sell now compare to HD-DVD. On average since BR first inception BR has been out sell HD:DVD 2:1 or 1.5:1, but only on movie sell, now if you add BR game number to that ratio, you will get something like 10:1 or 20:1 even. If BR continue to be produce and sell at much larger quantity, the price of BR disc will come down easier than HD-DVD. Basic economy called Economic of Scale.

secret4085d ago (Edited 4085d ago )

In addition to causing widepearsed distress among movie watchers having to choose between HD-DVD and Bluray version of movies, xbots and Microsoft have interfered with the gaming industry as whole. And this is a sad fact that no one has really grounded into the mind of this generations gamers, xbots excluded because they'll never see beyond the smoke & mirrors, always mouth hanging agape, drooling with glazed eyes staring blankly at the wonderful smoke & mirrors fogging up reality.

Everybody, let's thank the xbox360 for capping off this generations graphics potential AGAIN.

Microsoft had to have Assasin's Creed in it's lineup AND COD4. Now, developers are going to develop the game up to the potential of the 8 gig and PC processors of the xbox360 and then force feed it to us PS3 owners. We're all facing you and applauding you 360 owners. THANKS, man.

Now imagine this. Microsoft released a HD-DVD drive that allows the xbox 360 to play HD-DVD games rather than just watching movies. Now get this. Because the number of people who own the HD-DVD add-on for gaming is initially going to be smaller compared to those who own the current DVD only console, most developers will only want to focus on making games for the DVD version. Imagine if you bought the HD-DVD drive and found out that MASS EFFECT for the HD-DVD version will be identical to the DVD version because more xbox360 owners at the moment have the DVD only console rather than the HD-DVD enabled console.

You'd be pissed. And that's how we feel with every multiport that involves you guys. If you can't hang on the fast lane, we suggest you get off the freeway or join the Nintendo Wii in the slow lane. You're blocking our way. GET OFF THE FAST LANE, YOU HUNK OF JUNK...!!!

Disc space isn't the xbox360's only shortcomming. Imagine adding HD-DVD and Bluray gaming to the Sega Genesis, N64, or the Wii. Because their architecture is inferior, no matter how large the storage capacity, you'll never get a good looking game as Grand Turismo 5 or subperb AI with over hundreds of enemeis onscreen like Heavenly Sword or Resistance Fall of Man where there are hundreds of thousands of billions of particles and enemies exploding and moving all at once on one screenshot.

For instance, xbots always claim that adding mutliple discs will solve the graphics problem. Would adding 100 to 1000 multiple discs to the original Playstation One or the Nintendo Wii compensate for the graphics problem and make ports of Grand Turismo5 or Heavenly Sword or Gears of War or Halo3 (whatever) or Motorstorm or Virtual Fighter 5 look identical to the PS3 versions on those inferior hardwares? You understand?

Same goes for adding extra storage to the xbox360. It's lack of Cell processing and the unique relationship between the Cell and system architecture will always result in developers using Fog and Mirrors or artwork (artstyle) to fool certain groups of gamers into believing that that's raw power they're seeing.

Has anyone seen breakthrough graphics on the xbox360 yet like Grand Turismo 5, Killzone 2, Heveanly Sword, Motorstorm, and Ratchet & Clank (took developers only one year to make) in it's 3 to 4 years of existence? The above PS3 game are all mainly first gen titles. Can the xbox360 explain itself for the last 3 to 4 years? Or is Mass Effect, Gears, HALO3, and Project Gotham Racer 4 or Ninja Gaiden 2 supposed to be the breakthrough over the past 3 to 4 years of old age because reviewers said so.

Fake reviews won't cut it anymore. Opinions can be bought and changed over time. Excuse me sir, do you prefer Coke or Pepsi. "Well, they both seem the same to me, and I honestly can't tell the difference, but since Pepsi provided me my most recent paycheck, it's clear that Pepsi tastes better." Also, I doubt that American reviewers (EGM, GAMEPRO, 1UP, IGN, GAMEPSOT, and so on) cannot have a bias in favor toward an American console. I think Motorstorm and Grand Turismo 5 do look better than Project Gotham Racer 4, not matter the perfect 10 from xbox magazine. And Motorstorm is more fun.

I want to know the truth. It's hard to find the truth in the Olympics if an American Olympian is getting all perfect scores because all the nine judges on the panel are from America. That's why we try to shake things up and put judges from other backgrounds in the panel. Not so in video game magazines, is there?

How would you feel if you went to a court trial and knew 100% that you won't get a fair hearing because the judge and the defendant are uncle and nephew. Let's keep the race fair.


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BrianC62344085d ago

No more posting these stupid reports. Not unless it's a real report. This is the lamest report of the month. And that's saying a lot. Who cares about these players? The PS3 is outselling the players by a lot. So please, nobody post this crap anymore.

sloth4urluv4085d ago

If hes not counting the PS3, then hes just wasting his time.
Who would be stupid enough to buy a standalone player when you can just get a PS3, which does alot more than just play blu ray.

VaNdAl4085d ago

During the Sony press conference yesterday at CEDIA , Sony put up some charts to show how starting about 12 weeks stand-alone Blu-ray players were outselling HD DVD. They tribute this to the release of the $499 BDP-S300, but we're not so sure about that. Assuming the numbers are indeed true, we don't suppose the announcement of Toshiba's 3rd generation players would have anything to do with it, not to mention the fact that none of our local Best Buy stores even have the HD-A2 in stock. But what we really want to know is, who is buying all these Blu-ray players, with Profile 1.1 right around the corner?

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aiphanes4085d ago

HD-DVD has the least amount of shelf space at all stores in the US and Europe. And HD-DVd is dead in Japan...

Both format will co-exist for a while...but bluray will win in the end...because it offers more space.....even up to 100GB...

nobizlikesnowbiz4085d ago

Format war is so early '07. It's getting out of style.

Someone win and stop twisting facts to support your camp! I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here...

Meus Renaissance4085d ago

I think this story is a duplicate?

perseus4085d ago

this story is a quintuplicate.

anh_duong4085d ago

and it is going to get a lot worst because people who would have bought a standalone blu-ray are now going to buy a ps3 40gb instead... just goes to short that statistics can misrepresent the truth of blu-ray demand