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Submitted by CranberryPub 1239d ago | news

David Cage: DualShock is the end of an era

Quantic Dream's David Cage expects the DualShock to mark "the end of an era" for conventional video game controllers, saying that he hopes new devices "will open new ground" for game development, but that he doesn't know whether "Kinect or Move are the ultimate answer." (David Cage, Industry, PS3)

LOGICWINS  +   1239d ago
A dualshock/360 controller hybrid would be SICK!
GrieverSoul  +   1239d ago
Personally, a Dualshock with the X360 triggers would be the perfect controller. The sticks layout are great and the buttons perfect too. Jus the L2 and R2. Nothing else.
Freddy_Millz1  +   1239d ago
They still sell little plastic pieces that you can snap onto the L2 and R2 buttons that make them into triggers, just gotta look around for them. Pretty good add for $3 i always thought.
-Alpha  +   1239d ago
I have it, it's good but a little too large.

The ones on the Move controller are perfect, Sony needs that on the Dualshock (or at least rubberized so that they don't feel slippery)
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Miths  +   1239d ago
I've been using those DS3 trigger attachments for so long that I had completely forgotten they weren't part of the controller :).

The triggers on the 360 controller - or the Move controller as Alpha-Male22 pointed out - are still better though.
Even without the trigger attachments I don't think I would consider the DS3 triggers all that problematic - I use L1/R1 in shooters, and in racing games (those where I don't use my G25 wheel) I've always preferred accelerating and braking with the right stick instead of the triggers, even when I still had an XBox 360.
NiKK_419  +   1239d ago
Yes, the move trigger is absolutely perfect, I love it and I am absolutely sure it will be incorporated in the DS4

And I do have the snap on triggers for the DS3, and while they help, I still think I would rather use R1 L1 for shooters (I go back and forth on which I like), but they are great for racing

I talked about this before, but they should just make the DS4 2 move controllers that snap together with something in the middle (while the move controllers are at an angle

Now granted, they would have to be an upgraded move and it would have to resemble a dualshock while together, I'm not exactly sure how they would pull this off, but to me it would be the perfect solution, because you wouldn't have to buy a move separate and all games could incorporate move as an option because it would be a standard, and it would be cheaper for the consumer, its win win for everyone and should definitely be considered by sony
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MaxXAttaxX  +   1239d ago
@Freddy_Millz1 and Alpha-Male22(above)
Yes and YES.
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But I don't agree with David Cage. I think traditional controllers should still be the standard.
I love the Wii and all, but I can't play a motion game for too long before getting bored.

DualShocks are still good well-rounded controllers :)
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RankFTW  +   1238d ago
I use these two attachments on my DS3 and imo it makes it the best controller I've ever used.

http://www.game.co.uk/Acces...

http://www.kontrolfreek.com...
-Alpha  +   1239d ago
Dualshock 4 needs to be more like Dualshock 2 but with better triggers and more resistance for the analog sticks with stronger rumble feedback.

I think it should have rubberized borders for extra grip, and media buttons below the analog sticks like the OnLive controller, which IMO looks like a great 360/PS3 hybrid. With this, they need to have glow-in-the-dark buttons for when you are playing in the dark.
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news4geeks  +   1239d ago
No the resistance is perfect. Nice and slick for quick precise aiming. If they are going to put triggers on it make sure they are not designed as a cheap gimmick just to pretend that it's like pulling a trigger on a gun; actually make it so that there is a minimal button press.

But you've heard enough of my controller ramblings, I like you other ideas btw.
BeOneWithTheGun  +   1239d ago
Alpha, i dont think glow in the dark buttons are needed. I mean, really, who doesnt have the button layout memorized?
Swiftfox  +   1239d ago
I'm not sure I would like triggers for the L2/R2 buttons, or further resistance on the sticks.

The resistance on the sticks is there on the Xbox 360 simply because it was designed with the Western hand in mind. Western gamers tend to put power behind movements of the thumb rather than finesse of Eastern hands, where it is all about subtle movements. It would only serve to alienate the Eastern gamers by uping the resistance to an uncomfortable level.

Triggers honestly don't seem to fit the dualshock, certainly not from an Eastern perspective. On the Dualshock you have access to all four shoulder buttons simultaneously. You can press L1/L2 down with index and middle finger very comfortably. Triggers are concave and would lead to that being very uncomfortable and awkward feeling as it is on the Xbox 360 controller. The Dualshock was designed to fit as many game types as possible, triggers do not lend themselves well to that overarching philosophy.

The Dualshock is an eastern design and honestly shouldn't be contradicted by western preferences. The west has never really had much of an issue with the design before so why change it now?

About the rumble. I'm sure it would rumble stronger if they didn't have to put Sixaxis tech into the controller as well. We should honestly feel lucky we even have rumble on the PS3 controller.
-Alpha  +   1239d ago
@Swiftfox

The DS2 has resistance similar to the Xbox controller, so I don't think your comparison of Eastern/Western gamers has ever been a factor. Additionally, by having light analogs for Western audiences, under your theory, Sony is alienating Western gamers.

@Onewiththegun

Not for the original buttons but for the media controls that I think is necessary for the media-driven consoles these days. And if that makes sense they may as well do it for the rest of the buttons
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tigertron  +   1239d ago
I'd rather have a Gamecube/Dualshock hybrid to be honest. The GC's buttons replaced with the X,O,Triangle and Square.

Although, I'm hoping normal controllers like the Dualshock stay around for as long as possible, until they invent proper VR stuff.
DFresh  +   1239d ago
Nah.
I believe the analog controller and the keyboard/mouse will never go away.
But new interfaces and controls could result in different types of gaming.
Variety is the key people.
:)
Swoon  +   1239d ago
Exactly! I want a dualshock that can also be used as a stress toy.
Lirky  +   1239d ago
Well their next game may be ps move exclusive or kinect exclusive too bad ill miss out on it.
CGI-Quality  +   1239d ago
Move-exclusive or Dualshock/Move compatible. Quantic's games will all be PlayStation exclusive this go around.
Kantor  +   1239d ago
The analog controller is a brilliant multi-genre device, and I have yet to see anything (except maybe KB+M) which works better overall.
MostJadedGamer  +   1239d ago
All Next Gen consoles will launch with something other then a traditonal controller. That is just a simple fact. The Wii has forced everybodies hand. Every console from here on out is guaranteed to launch with something other then a traditional controller.
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Dno  +   1239d ago
the wii also has the least industry support and sales are falling quickly while xbox and ps3 are up on past years. not ready to throw in the towel yet on traditional controllers.

I think next gen will come with move 2 and Dual shock 4 in every box
MostJadedGamer  +   1239d ago
I am not even saying its going to be a motion controller. The control devices could be something entirely new that no one expects.

What I am saying is that none of the consoles will launch with a traditional controller. The days of the traditional controller are dead, and yes the Wii is totally to blame for that.

As far as Nintendo I think they will go back to 3rd place in the console market as neither Sony or MS will be caught with their pants down sitting on their laurels again.

They will launch their systems with innovative new controllers Next Gen. They will also have more powerful hardware(as Nintendo refuses to sell their systems at a loss while both Sony, and MS are willing to sell their systems at a major loss, and they will both have, far, far, far better 3rd party support then Nintendo that is given.

Nintendo has had crap 3rd party suppose for 3 straight generations now(N64, Gamecube, and Wii). That is never going to change for several reasons.

If you don't know those reasons ask me to explain them, and I will break them down for you in my next post.
Dno  +   1235d ago
i can bet you there will be traditional controls on xbox and ps3 next gen and the gen after that.

That means a d-pad , buttons, 2 anolag sticks.
MostJadedGamer  +   1235d ago
Well Dno you are going to be in for a huge dissapointment if you actually believe that. Traditional controllers will be as dead as 2D games Next Gen.
Dno  +   1234d ago
ok cool its a bet. with the first 2 next gen portables have basic controls 3DS and NGP so im looking good so far.

now we have to wait for news on future consoles
Stealth20k  +   1239d ago
hardly the dualshock will always be around
Der_Kommandant  +   1239d ago
Don't mess with perfection
dragonelite  +   1239d ago
Aah i see he shouting again.
Go make movies or something.
theonlylolking  +   1239d ago
What I want is the shape of a 360 controller, the bumper buttons of the DS3, d-pad of the DS3, the razer onza adjustable analog sticks, and increase sensitivity feature on the controller itself.
Finger-Eater  +   1239d ago
Mind controllers. Maybe in 50 years?
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Alos88  +   1239d ago
I don't want a new a new type of controller, and certainly not to replace the old ones. Trying to fix what isn't broken is a terrible idea.
Mr Tretton  +   1239d ago
Dualshock 4: Concave left toggle. Tracking ball instead of right toggle. Move triggers for L2/R2, and just a stronger, less cheap feeling build for the casing.
Sigh  +   1239d ago
Dualshock has become an icon in gaming. But I hope to see some new upgrades to it next gen. And I agree with Tretton above me about the casing.
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thrashermario  +   1239d ago
hell no give me dualshock 4
dragon82  +   1238d ago
I personally wouldn't change a thing. The DS3 is perfect in my opinion. I have never had an issue with the L2/R2 buttons. The analog sticks are perfect and the D-pad is the best out there. Why change anything at all?
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omi25p  +   1239d ago
im not a big fan of the dual shock, i prefer the shape of the 360 controller
Arnon  +   1239d ago
Make the analog sticks concave..
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dragon82  +   1238d ago
NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! That is the worst part about the 360 controller. That and the offset layout of the sticks.
danielle007  +   1239d ago
I'm strongly disagreeing, pretty much because I don't want it to be the end of an era. I love the DualShock 3 and the X360 controller. I do not want motion controllers to become the norm.

Plus, DualShock 3 already has six axis built in. Isn't that enough for youu!? Just let me keep my real controllers..
Platinum_k  +   1238d ago
Sony will NOT abandon their Hardcore Gamers.

You dont have to worry about that.
ZILLA  +   1238d ago
PS3 controller is for the hardcore gamer...
the 360 controller feels and looks like a little kids toy compared to the DS3.360 controller is heavy and clunky,and the AA batterys(enough said)
danielle007  +   1238d ago
It's ergonomic and the weight feels nice, not that it's really heavy at all. It literally fits my hands perfectly, and is the perfect design for playing shooters, and the majority of other games.

Except fighting games.. DS3 beats it on that.
dragon82  +   1238d ago
Would be alot more comfortable if it didn't have that huge ass battery sticking out of the back where your fingers go. That thing kills my fingers after a few hours of play.
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danielle007  +   1238d ago
What? I usually grab the two sides and have never once had the battery get in my way.. Literally. & I've never heard that complaint before, and I know people who play for hours and hours a day like mee.

Are your hands freakin' giant or something?
boup7  +   1238d ago
The PS3 controller are the best I have ever held in my hands ! If it is meant to disapear , it'll be the end of my gamming day's ! Can't stand the "moving" controller , like wii , move or kinect , hate that !
Platinum_k  +   1238d ago
All they have to do is change the design and some dynamic of it... lay out is pretty good already
GoldPS3  +   1238d ago
They just need to make a bigger version for the people with big hands and remove the triggers. Also add some type of rubber grip on the sides and make the buttons smooth and shinny. And remove sixaxis because developers don't really use it except for some 1st party's and since they have move now there's no need for sixaxis.
Picnic  +   1238d ago
Specifically he only means the Dualshock '3' as the N64 , Gamecube and Xbox/Xbox360 controllers all came out after the original Dualshock.
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Sugreev2001  +   1238d ago
I'll never switch to motion control gaming
Stevo91  +   1238d ago
Personally they don't fit my hand properly and cause cramps after about 2 hours, but always been a fan of the controller
N4Gsukballs  +   1238d ago
Splitfish Frag FX Shark. That is all.

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