Factor 5 President and Lair Director, Julian Eggebrecht, discusses game development for the PS3 and responds to harsh criticisms against Lair.
nothing new here, same old reviewer and hardcore gamer bashing BS.
LAIR has sold around 200 000 copies till date in NA so despite negative reviews LAIR sold in NA LAIR got the same score as PGR4 on FAMITSU and better score than PGR4 at DENGEKI . expect LAIR to sell a lot in EU/JAPAN a 500 000 copies is now reachable --enough to make up for the budget of 17 million dollar. you BOT play your overrated cartoon HALO 3 at 640p rather than talking trash
Nasim....seriously. I am sick of everyone saying that the PS3 is tapped "50%....only 20%....its 50x faster than the 360" YOU HAVE NO GAMES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! EVERY GAME THAT COMES OUT IN MULTI-PLATFORM IS CRAP ON THE PS3. The console is better designed for crunching mathematical computations which is why you are all getting crap games. Listen to this douche in the video. "We worked on it for three years"....and somehow he is saying that they only hit 50% of the power. Why would you hit only 50% when working on it for three years? You wouldn't! he is obviously fool of sh!t and in my mind he is no smarter than Nasim. Look at the current state of the PS3: It has no AAA titles. All ports are looking better on the 360. All games for the PS3 are getting delayed. NOT ONE GAME BLOWS AWAY THE XBOX IN BOTH GRAPHICS AND GAME-PLAY. Sony was banking on people buying this junk up and its not happening. They are more concerned with getting the Blu-ray format out than putting efforts into the PS3. Click the disagree button if you feel that the PS3 is complete garbage. Enjoy your RPGs. Hop on Live! and I'll pop your head off in some real games....tonight
"1.2 - Get a f*cking life. Nasim....seriously. I am sick of everyone saying that the PS3 is tapped "50%....only 20%....its 50x faster than the 360" YOU HAVE NO GAMES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" ohh man talking about hypocrite. Dude look at the mirror first.
Heavenly Sword completely blows away everything on the XBox360. About the only thing that can compare is Gears of War, which is a totally different kind of game. Gameplay wise, there great games on both systems now so you can't say the PS3 doesn't have any great games.
Both systems are great in they're own way but dude you cant say Hs is any good..Sure HS has very nice graphics and massive battles but they're boring..All the guys do the same thing, walk the same way do that same attacks..this game is a boring button masher. the story is pathetic. I laughed really hard while playing the part early on in the game when you get to be that chick that shoots..haha fvcking controlable arrows?? with the sixaxis?? so lame man . they needed to leave that sh!t outta the game. HS blows away most 360 games visually but nothing more..that game is barley worth renting. so yeah all the great PS3 games are on their way..not here YET
I think there is something in the contract with Sony that if you develope for their system and you give an interview you have to state how much of the system power you are using and make sure you say nothing more than %50. I think you needed to use a bit more of the power because the game is not that good and what is up with the framerate?
So tell us which portion of the game did you play and witness framerate drops?
Everytime you blow up anything from up close...a boat, a dragon...big framerate drop, and then the game speeds back up to normal edit: god @ disagrees...i hate fanboy threads, i knew i should've stayed out of it. i understand we all gave lair a chance. it really shows off what the ps3 can handle, the good graphics, everything that's going on at once, the big worlds...but this game was pretty bad. And i see where you're gettin at Clinton ;)
Shh, I wanted to see if he actually played the game. :P Besides, yes there were SOME framerate drops but never to the point where the game was unplayable. It was a nice rental and I beat it before my rental time was up. A lot of people will hate on this title without ever playing it.
Hating on a title without playing it is the standard for Sony and MS fanatics. If a game is not on their console of choice it will get bashed.
im starting to think tht this game will start-off like killzone did, when killzone1 came out it got pretty poor reviews, but now killzone is taking thier mistakes and fixing them, if lair was to make a sequal i sure as hell would probably would back them up!
It's better than Killzone imo.
Killzone Liberation on the PSP is fricken AWSOME !!! Transformers on the PSP however .. SUCKS A$$ (yes, I am bitter)
I dont know why people hate on Killzone, I loved that game, it had great atmosphere. Sure, it didnt do any thing new but it was a lot of fun imo.
am happy that Lair sucked. Perhaps, now they will realize the TRUE power of the force and make another Rogue Squadron (#$2#@%[email protected]@!!!!). Seriously, we need a good Star Wars game for Next Gen because I have searched my feelings- and Unleased just doesn't cut it. Edit: Yeah, yeah- you can disagree all you want. But there's no denying that RS pwns the living @%#$% out of Lair. Of course, if you didn't own a gamecube than you probably would not know this. My, my- ignorance is bliss.
Agree with you I need Star Wars BF or RS update. Plus a new Sim City for PC(Sorry DS I just can't play Sim City on you) Back on topic, I think what he is saying is true, I'm a big gamer and really don't like the controls that much even though they are respectable, but my brother loves it.
I get 1/3 through and it will not load anymore.
Thats G4. They kinda suck with streaming media.
I agree, now days its easy to just look it up on you tube
Bah the game is fun. Not the best but worth renting at the very least.
Stupid Eggbretch. Factor 5 was a great company, but LAIR is easily the most dissapointing game of all the waves of mediocre Sony software in the PS3. Go and do something AAA like Rogue Squadron for Wii or something for Xbox 360.
In case you didn't know their last few StarWars games were judged by the media as mediocre. Go troll in the middle of a freeway.
Another Rogue Squadron. Search your feelings Factor 5, you know it to be true- Anyone who owned a game cube and played the first RS will know exactly what I'm talking about. Even today, that game is killa... yeah, killa (I just love saying "killa"). Edit: to Clinton Uhh... WHAT? Factor 5 made only 3 Rogue Squadron games (1 for the n64 and 2 for the GC). The first two were rated as killa (meaning they got 9s) and the third got a "meh" rating simply because it was more of the same. But just imagine what they could do on Next-Gen. Man, that would be AWSOME (and much better than some doofus flying dragons). Dude, you really need to play the first RS on gamecube (the system is cheap as hell now). How do you think Factor 5 got its name in the first place? Edit: to Jinxstar Its not even a question, EVERYTHING (or almost everything) about RS was excellent. the insane graphics, c()ckpit view, and gameplay were all on the 1... yeah the 1 (as in # 1- get it?). Overall though, I think the first RS on gamecube got scored pretty high (IGN gave it a 9). Bottom line= Make another one Factor 5- it doesn't matter the system, I will BUY it.
Yeah seriously I am a HUGE Factor 5 fan. I loved the rogue squadron games. Unlike most people the controls to me only add a difficulty factor to the game that makes it bad ass. I will admit its not for everyone. I would love a new Rogue Squadron. He seems hyped for PS3 too.... So yeah... Edit @ Kuest. For sure man but the things they got knocked for were the parts I liked. Like how you had to down the big walkers. APC guys. The camera zoomed out and made it pretty tough to down them. I thought was cool. Reviewers not so much... To each his own. They have a few devoted fans i.e. me. but yeah.
'Go and do something AAA like Rogue Squadron for Wii or something for Xbox 360.' Good luck on that happening, Factor 5 are part of SCEA now (aka first party)
... can say anything but Lair's gameplay is crap.
lets just hope what ever they do next fairs a little better cause factor 5 are a good development team.
also if that eggebrecht guy had some floppy hair he would look a bit like george mcfly!
In case you didn't know their last few StarWars games were judged by the media as mediocre. Go troll in the middle of a freeway. ============================= ==== Go and look the average ratio of Rogue Squadron II for Gamecube, is better than EVERYTHING on the PS3, and it was a launch game developed for only 9 months. Factor 5 without Nintendo = FAIL. That's the sad truth PStards.
Surely you have a little more brains than to believe that you can look at reviews scores in isolation? Surely. Game scores reflect opinion on a game IN RELATION TO WHAT ELSE IS AVILABLE AT THE TIME. If you believe that a 90% game today will still be regarded as such in 2 years' time when we look at the games available at that time, you're really...how do I put this...thick? Sorry to everyone else for my going off topic... -Edit- Kuest, I was responding to this: "Go and look the average ratio of Rogue Squadron II for Gamecube, is better than EVERYTHING on the PS3" That implies that a game scoring 90% today will still be better than a game scoring 85% in a few years from now....sorry, I can't agree with that. If you do, fine. PS - Here is the COTY for 1980... http://en.wikipedia.org/wik... If that was built today, would it still be considered good? Don't think so. Modern cars are just too much better. Same goes for games.
Damn Factor 5 for not doing Rogue Squadron. Quite literally, had RS been released on the PS 3 I would have definitely bought the system. But it wasn't... But, hey, who said the all RS's were rated mediocre. It was only their latest one that sucked. The other two rocked according to me and, of course, reviewers. Just check IGN... right now Edit: to Kyur What is going on! Dude, how else do you judge games? So according to you Legend of Zelda: Orciana of Time SUCKS (if you say yes, you will die within 24hrs) because it no longer is new and innovative compared to TODAY's games in 2007? What about Goldeneye? All of these games were reviewed highly for what they did at the time. Now fast forward to 2006, and look at the reviews for Twilight Princess, or how highly esteemed Time splitters is. They still use the same formula along with enhancements. No ones saying for Factor 5 to release a graphically enhanced copy of RS (ooh, can they?). Instead, we're just asking (alright demanding)of them to make ANOTHER RS that is worthy of being called next-gen. There's still a billion ways to make playing as an X-wing pilot cool. And last time I checked, there hasn't been a good Star Wars games in years (except for KOTOR and RS).
Only played it in very small doses so I can't really comment on the gameplay...so I wont. But if I was a developer who spent 2-3 working on a game to only have it ran through the dirt by pretty much every reviewer, I think I would be a bit defense too. But thats why I'm going to be a programmer, lots more money with 1/2 the amount of work!
"But thats why I'm going to be a programmer, lots more money with 1/2 the amount of work!" I think you are going to be suprised
am i the only one that thought lair was an excellent game lol? i dont know...i felt it was good...the sixaxis felt right on target and i thought the controls were easy..hmm...besides that i thought there was a great variety of gameplay from flying the dragon, to the different kinds of attacks you can perform on dragons, to the ground combat with the soldiers and the warbeasts, to the little sneaking mission with the lights and i thought the game overall felt very epic like with a great hollywood like story and awesome audio with the music and sound effects...i thought the game was well done...the only thing i felt they needed to work on was fixing the target system up a bit and maybe a radar or something but i like the game!
in their rabid rage to take down the PS3 they will resort to any tactic and beat PS3 games to death with random reviews from some xbot having a heart attack over a Ps3 game. They can all go take a flying leap, dumb fanboys who are nothing more than sheep marching to microshaft's tune. xbox live microtransactions FTW...LMAO
I absolutely love the game. I rented it, and will eventually buy it since I could not finish it. I hate the dragon fighthing in the air. But dang do I like absolutely everything else! Sadly, I hate Julian's comment... If I'm good with it, does that mean I'm bad with all the other games? Seriously, this game is far from being perfect. It's not a 10 for sure. But it's awesome and definitively doesn't deserve the bad rating it got. Sure thing, I will be watching whatever Factor 5 will produce in the future. Those guys rock.
I think they just needed rumble. Lair was hyped too hard. Lets just all be real, here no one liked this game because it was not good. Rouge Squadron was good because they hit the targets they intended too. Lair is not good because so much of it was off target. I can understand the love for the PS3 but I do not think people should jump on any game and act as though it should be publicly and critically acclaimed just because it is a PS3 game.
then he can go and work on the problems and make the game presentable for the sequel. Saying that the game is great means you're not going to try and solve the problems and end up just recreating the same bad experience.
seems kind of harsh to blame the players of the game when you designed it that way......sounds like he doesn't want to admit it was a development issue.
or is it a "so bad its good" b-movie, cult classic type thing...I'm almost curious to see if I'll enjoy it or throw a sixaxis...anyone played it? as long as you don't feel like you have to take a shower afterwards...or physically remove it from the crib and trade it in at GameStop in order to sleep easy...
Nah man its not like that. If you like RS games you'll probably enjoy it. There is a lot to it. Its very pretty and tough. All in all I enjoyed it. Seriously though buy a used copy and return it if your not sure. Or rent or whatever. Also you get to fly a dragon.... + for me =P
I'll give it a try at some point...I'm a patient person, really...and I like a challenge...schooled from the days of no save points...had to keep your console on at night if you wanted to stay at a certain spot...never threw a controller in my life...don't want to start though...lol...thanks man
Oh heck yeah man. I feel ya on that. Thats kinda why I liked and hated Ninja Gaiden. If you die you got a ways to cover again. I remember when you used that last continue... You start over... Gamers have become so dependent on saves... Even the Sonic DL game on 360 has that now... GRRRRR. Yeah you die in Lair you got a ways to cover again. Just like the old RS games. The game really isn't for everyone but most of the hardcore gamers I know think its fun and most def a challenge to get all the stuff unlocked. Thats bragging rights there. Just like mission mode in Ninja Gaiden. Im a fan of not so simple games. Gears on Hardcore... No joke man. I wish they would make the PC additions avail for DL.... Anyway I really need to beat Phantom Hourglass. Cheers man and have yet another bubble.
now you're talking bro...grrr...lol...bubbles up for you too...thanks man
You might get my money, but I dont believe in renting games. Just release a demo so we can judge. If heavenly sword did not release a demo, I would have not bought the game. The game turned out brilliant in the end.
I rented it, and had absolutely no problem flying all over the place and doing 180 on a dime within minutes of playing the game. (They start you slow, but still, I found everything so easy) But it does seem like many people cannot. Since it does seem like it's hard for some people to get used to the sixaxis, and since demos are short, who knows, many people could not get it in such a short time and loose interest... On the other side, they almost have nothing to loose. It could also prove to people that it's really easy to fly a dragon. I could see a demo where you have to blow the catapults (easy targeting, nothing move) and then land and crisp those guys on the bridge. Fun and relatively easy.
why risk any sales over controller options ill pass on lair 2 if they dont fix this i just hate using the six axis
I play this masterpiece so much that im in 93 position on the worldwide rank!
What a craptacular game that was.
For lair.... Before it came out. I bashed it. On my site I gave it jab after jad... Then I got it "all due to the bad reviews" and loved it. the game is amazing! Graphics, gameplay... EVerything. I wouldn't change a thing. These guys smoke ass and rotate it twice. Japan is where this game will get noticed "thank god" cause America was too overwhelmed with the overly complex controlls... hahaahaha~ Lair is the game where I completely stopped listening to reviewers. Bar none.
You know what's funny, is that Japan kept alot of good games to themselves throughout the years due to them being "too complex for the north american audience" Hahahaha. It shouldn't be to everyone who lives in the U.S, though, just ALOT. It seems the trends havn't died out, only slowed down.
Like I've said earlier. Most people who hated the game hated it because Factor 5 didn't give em the option to switch to analog. It seems that most people don't understand that they didn't give the option because it would change what they were trying to accomplish. They knew that most people wouldn't give the control scheme a chance. I wouldn't give them the option either. It seems that people are resistant to tackling something new which is weird to me because that should go against the nature of being a gamer. As a gamer I want the experimental games. I want something that breaks the norm.
choice between Analog and Motion-Sensing. I still can't get used to the Motion-Sensing and stick with Analog the entire time. Actually, my entire control scheme is customized. Using motion sensing for tanks and jeeps just didn't feel right since there wasn't any physical feedback... We'll see how Dual Shock 3 affects game scores, or if sites like IGN will review the Force Feedback quality on the patched titles.
'damn .. the reviews for our game suck ass' or something like that
Controls weren't as bad as reviewers made them out to be but yeah it fell flat in like every area that really counts. Some levels looked freaking amazing though.....
Okay, first off... how can you have "real" animations for a dragon? But yea, I've played the game at a friend's and it was okay, but to me, not that great... some developers have to accept that while the game may seem great to them, others may disagree - kinda the same with me and my writing; I've been told it's great when I think it's poor and vice versa. But yea, the controls seemed - as he said - experimental; hopefully it'll improve.
My friend has this game and as I watched it,I found myself saying,O.K., Factor 5 did this game(a renowned developer),it took a LONG ass time to make(3+years),and then I said to myself.............glad I already "JUMPED IN" lol. Nice damage control/defense work Julian Egghead.
there are just a few framerate drops but you didn't notice it at all. Halo 3 has more framerate issues. LAIR is great!
That's why the average of all reviews gives it a 5.4 out of 10???? You suck. Any PS3 game is great in your view and 360 games aren't. And you're working in a gamestore? You're a joke.
"You suck. Any PS3 game is great in your view and 360 games aren't. And you're working in a gamestore? You're a joke." Pot calling the kettle black?
Makes sense, if you drive a car with a steering wheel and then tomorrow the standard becomes a joystick you might have a problem adjusting to the new system of steering. I think he was being truthful. What we are going to see is games using the motion control as a support system rather than the main focus, I think they made a good game, but video game players have a low tolerance for imprecise controls. I played Warhawk with motion an though it wasn't my style, I wouldn't say that it sucks. Analog sticks have become the standard, so it will be risky to rely fully on motion control. Poor guys probably put a lot of effort into the game, but I guess you win some and you lose some.
All i know is this, G4 SUCKS. ffs learn how to stream media. There were framerate problems in the game. Some were worse then others, and alot of the time it worked fine. Controls were fine imo. Graphics were sweet, i don't know how much this game used of cell+rsx, but they obviously didn't get too good a grip on it. Most of the time in games, you either drop res for stable framerate or you take out a few bits of stuff. And this proves my point, playing at either 720p or 1080p. it runs the same. Sounds like their engine was not optimised to me.
The game sucks, stop defending it Metacritics all reviews average 54% http://www.metacritic.com/g...
I think this game would have got way higher scores if they just gave you the option to turn off the six axis controls.. What morons for not doing that.. People like to have options.. If they had that option i think people would have acually said the six axis controls were fun but you cant use them through out the game so we recommend you turnig them off in some parts..
Nah even when you could choose the controls... The score would be low becaus of the framerate that sucks.
The ps3 didnt HAVE games, it has games now. Get over it. NOt as many as the xbox fine, but more than enough to keep any gamer entertained. Shooters, RPG, action, racing. The PS3 has all of those. Find something real to complain about, since even price you cant talk about. Xbox just has more games, and a few of them are alot better than the PS3, but tahts temporary. Saying it has no games is stupid. Its old and played out. and its NOT TRUE.
Heavenly Sword Resistance Motorstorm Eye of Judgement Uncharted Lair Tekken 5 Online Tekken 6 Gran Turismo HD(AAA and FREE) Gran Turismo 5 White Knight Story Final Fantasy XIII Metal Gear Solid IV LA Noire (((((Untitled Rockstar Exclusive)))))) Untitled Team ICO Game Ratchet & Clank Untitled Syphon Filter Project Haze Killzone 2 Little Big Planet Super Stardust HD LocoRoco Untitled Twisted Metal Untitled God of War Sequel Jack & Daxter Sequel Halo 3 Port Halo 4 for PS3 Singstar At least 90% of these titles will be AAA and also will hit chart topping sales for ps3. whats funny is this is an xbot's christmas list. lolol. Xbots just hush cause yall dont have nothing to counter this with. ps3 is the truth. P L A Y B 3 Y O N D
I've played this on a friends PS3 and looks awesome and the controls weren't bad at all to me... Once I learned u BARELY TILT to REALLY control it good. If u just jerk it around nothings going to happen lol. I liked it alot and it had kool cutscenes and amaaazziinngg grapohics... The graphics ABSOLUTELY DESTROY Halo 3 in every way possible. Halo has many framerate issues too. alot
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