PS3Tag.com lists three major points that explain why having no backwards compatibility on the 40gb PS3 model is actually a very good thing.
Just like Blu-Ray, the lack of BC is good for Sony because it leaves gamers with limited options in terms of what they can spend their money on. [NEW]PS3 owners can either buy a PS3 game/games or Blu-Ray discs. In the end, its not so good for gamers but it's great for Sony.
BOT dont talk about the customers. we are happy with our ps1/2 and we want to play ps3 games on ps3.
rather than selling low powered and 100% defective console like x360 with no HDMI 1.3 support , no NEXT GEN DVD player, no wifi , 50$ for useless online.....we get a ps3 which has all the features for just a 100$ extra.
the starter pack is now reduced to 350 pounds just 50 pounds more than a 299 pound ps3. if you want BC then get that for just 50 pounds extra .
The x360 (all models ) is just 44% compatible with xbox games . The core cannot do BC however.
XBOTS dont whine about ps3 in here. Deal with 100% low powered and defective x360s rather. Send them to some mechanics if MS are not repairing them for free . Most of these BOTS are not 3/4 th x360 and still they shameless troll ps3 forum.
go watch a garbage movie at 480p on the trash 2$ DVD drive of x360 /play cartoon halo 3 at 640p. In the meantime the consumers can experience movies and games (natively ) on ps3 at FULL HD of 1080p at 24hertz at a full 60fps
I don't neccessarily agree. First and foremost, Sony is providing gamers with the opportunity to buy BC. The 60Gb version still contains BC. Also, if you notice the price difference between the 2 SKUs is $100 which is the price of the PS2 come this holiday season. So no gamer is actually left without the option of paying for it. When the PS3 came out everyone from opposing camps screamed that the inclusion of Blu-Ray was unneccessary. Sony stuck with it, since games are published on that format. Now they take out BC and every is screaming that it is a bad move? Frankly, do people ever discuss the BC of the X360? No. Why is it such a big issue on the PS3, even though there is a SKU which accounts for it? It's not an issue. BC has become an option, not a neccessity. Therefore it is now an option.
Last gen for Sony is currently valued at $100. At $400 ($300 more) gets you a next-gen game console, with full HD capabilities (HDMI enabled), Blu-Ray, hard drive, online, wireless, PSN, etc. $500 get's you all the options of boths consoles in one. You want options, Sony is providing options. There's actually a gain for the consumers, not a loss.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but most people still own their functional PS2 and continue to use it. By Sony offering this new model, they are not forcing consumers to re-purchase the PS2 if they don't want to. Why should I pay $100 extra for the guts of a previous console, when I already have the $100 machine right on my TV stand? Now I don't have to (40Gb PS3). But if I do want to get an all in one, can I? Yes, for $100 more (60Gb-80Gb PS3). Just a thought.
PS. @ Nasim --> I like Sony, but you are ruining the credibility of the Sony fans on this site. Please, just stop your bashing. If you have something intelligent to say, everyone will support you. Or you can continue ruining it for many on this site.
No it means Sony can shift resources for better ps3 games.
I think people are just getting tired of clicking the disagree and report button with you. At least I for one am.
I'm still surprised he hasn't been banned yet as everything he posts goes against a ton of forum rules we all agree to abide by. But note the kid only preaches specs. He doesn't know sh*t about anything he's talking about other than what he reads at sony or bluray forums.
As for no PS2 BC being a 'good thing' I call MAJOR BS.
Some of us want to unclutter our media areas like me. I have an HD-A2 HD DVD player, 360, Wii, Cable DVR and AV reciever with space for 1 more thing... a PS3. My modded xbox1 was moved to another room which my PS2 is in. I hate bringing the PS2 to my main room and going through this whole unplug this and plug that just to get a PS2 game in (I bargain bin shop and always pick up must have PS2 games even till today). Some sold off their PS2s to either fund the PS3 purchase or move on to next gen gaming. Some of us still have a PS2 library we like to play anytime the craving for a last gen classic arises, in rooms nonetheless with larger TVs and great surround sound setups.
How can a company who once tooted it's horn bashing the competition for not being 100% BC now go completely against that refusing to be compatible with the most succesful and largest video game library of all time? ASININE isn't even the word for it. I suspect Sony sees that PS2 isn't going away and this is a means to start the consumer phase change to the platform, bringing on the potential for more BD buyers.
But as you can see from nasim's and other fanboy's comments below that whatever Sony says they will follow and defend. I refuse to buy a 40gb PS3 simply because of no PS2 BC. I don't care for wifi, nor card readers. I'll even forget about the no rumble until next year. But PS2 BC I can not go without. I'll just source a used 60gb elsewhere.
Shame on Sony for pulling the PS2 BC out after all the campaigning and marketing they did preaching it.
Spin! Spin! Spin!
Name one highly anticipated PS2 game. Right, there is none. If you buy a PS3, you are buying it to play PS3 games or watch BR movies not new PS2 games. If you want to play your old PS2 games, keep your PS2. How hard is that for people to grasp?
Is the best game I have for my PS3.
Would be a shame not to be able to play it, my PS2 is broken.
I find it funny how people who already own a ps3 with BC are complaining. Like what is there to complain about? You already have your console now get lost and play some games let people who don't own the console worry.
PS3 fans even attack each other.
Shame. Maybe he wants to convince his buddies to buy a PS3 and since they all said it's too expensive, now a price drop comes. That's just one of many scenarios on why a current PS3 owner doesn't like the 40gb specs
i was considering buying a ps3 with the price drop, but its the budget model previously not sold here in NZ, and it has no backward compatibility its just not worth it to me
what happened to sonys promise of being back compat with all ps1 and ps2 games from day one? why b1tch about MS back compat when they are clearly doing a worse job of it?
some ps3 models play a few some models play alot and some models play noen....i dont get it
give me a good deal of a price drop and a decent bundle and ill still consiter buying a ps3, only stocking the core model from now on in EUR and where im from NZ is not a good move, its trying to pull the wool over peoples eyes and make them think they are getting a good deal
and why would you take BC out when there are so many ps2 games still being made?
those who want BC, just should wait for 80GB model, it`s definately coming.
but well, 399$ price, Blu-ray, Wi-Fi, FREE Online Gaming, Good Quality Hardware.
Do competitors have better to offer? NO.
p.s. in 2005 people were buying x360 for 399$, which had OLD dvd, NO HDMI, VERY VERY sh1tty BC, FAILING HARDWARE, online gaming was for money, and still people were buying. Something changed in 2 years? People don`t want better quality products now? =))
But the Xbox 360 is cheap in price and has BC...
Hmm better than none, it's a cheaper console too LOL! More games, more better games. Live>PSN features and online games wise. Blu-ray? how many PS3 owners even use that....ahahaahah. See people buy a console for games, PS3 is lacking and will always be behind the 360, there's no point in buying one. This is why the 360 is still outselling the PS3 almost two to one. Go cry in your corner now.
I'll give you price, but you can still get the 80GB in US or 60GB till it sells out in Europe with WAY better BC then the 360. Also, no matter what SCEE says, they will eventually put BC in the 40GB PS3, just like the PS1 on the 40GB.
It may be "WAY" better, but it's still "WAY" too expensive (for the high-end version). I want a PS3, but I'm not paying $400 knowing I'm not getting everything out of the box. And Sony is being hush-hush about the lack of BC for it.
I told you I'd give you price right?
Also, no offense, but does that big box that says IMPORTANT on the 40GB that says DOES NOT PLAY PS2 GAMES not count?
Hint:Save $100 dollars.
P.S. Almost done saving for the new 360s!
BloodySinner, how has Sony been "hush hush" on no BC? They have gone on record saying it doesn't have it, its printed on the box, and retailers have been made fully aware of it. Its not like they said nothing and people are getting them home and finding this out.
Propaganda bullshit. Not having BC is a BAD thing, plain and simple. No amount of spin is going take away from how BAD of a decision this was on Sony's part. Seriously, who the hell is making the decisions over there?!
Sony is fighting to release the consol at a price they deem acceptable, and to get that acceptable price down to $400 they had to remove the BC. What's so complicated about that? If you want BC, you can buy a better version, keep your PS2, or buy a new ps2 for $100 somewhere. Don't want to buy a 100 dolar ps2? Funny that ps2 games are so important that a consol fails without being able to play them, yet the ps2 games arn't worth spending a few bucks on. (Consider you can get 2 PS3 games for the same price you can get 2 ps2 games AND A NEW PS2.)
no BC on the 40 gig for who? gamers....hahaahah
-some of the gamers that have been waiting for a cheaper price are the same gamers that have been feeding the PS2 cash cow up till now and all the sudden they are suppose to forget their 40+ PS2 games did not EXIST?
-some do not own HDTV's as of yet or they would of gotten the high priced model since HDTV are not cheap.
yes imagine the Xbox 360 downgrading an important function when it comes to buying your next-gen console, or at least making the jump. All hell would of broken loose. BC has been a staple for SONY and it's consoles even when trimming down cost you don't cut the BC function.
It made the transition from PS 1 to PS 2 great. You eventually cut cost as you go but man it feels good to have competition, nintendo and MS is making sony do all sorts of sh#t they are not accustomed to.
now that the mass can finally well for the most part afford a PS3, it has to be the one without Backwards computability.
not everything sony does needs to be defended or spinned. If I have been a hardcore devotee of the last 2 sony consoles and to finally wait for the price that is right for me, I would be one Piss Mofo.
Then again you have options, just like MS handed its gamers.
See it's not a bad thing to have options.
I agree that most people waiting for the price drop are people that are currently fueling the PS2. If you want a different angle to the arguement, you can also say that Sony is sending a message to their loyal consumers that we don't expect you to pay for something you already own. Let's say there are still 70 Million PS2 still out there in the market which are used by gamers (I'll give you a huge cushion for people that don't play anymore). Sony is saying that if you want to re-purchase the PS2 inside the PS3, then pay the extra $100. But if you already have a PS2 (70 Million) sitting on your TV stand, and want the next gen Sony console, $400 will get you there. That is the difference.
You are treating this issue like Sony has just shut off a switch an no longer supports BC for all PS3 models. That's simply not true. Again, if you want a PS2 ($100) in your PS3 then pay the $100. If you already have a PS2, then spare yourself the $100 and buy the $400 PS3. How does this not help the consumer? This completely includes the consumer's perspective. I hope I was able to help you understand the situation better. Sony's move actually appears very smart.
@ xplosneer (below)
I agree, so we must spend $100 more for the fully integrated option. Simple as that. But a lot of people, who are price conscious, don't mind leaving their PS2 out if they save $100.
Well I know some people who like keeping legacy hardware around(namely my dad) But I sure don't want my dusty old PS2 sitting there when my PS3 could play all the games.
"But a lot of people, who are price conscious, don't mind leaving their PS2 out if they save $100."
So you say....we'll see
Sonys first step towards discontinuing the ps2
don't you love it.
and somkin is good for you.,
They do make some good points, but c'mon 2 years ago Microsoft was crucified for not have 100% compatibility, and this was actually one of the selling points Sony tried to use at their E3 2005 press conference. So it's okay for Sony but bad for Microsoft? What's good for the goose is good for gander i say.
They forgot about that, and were hoping you did too. So please SHHH.
I read the first sentence of your post and it finally hit me. This just revenge because gave microsoft a hard time for no BC. If that's the only reason people are giving sony a hard time then this whole "console war" is getting really petty.
having backwards compatibility on the 40GB model has been exhausted.
most people trade in their older gen system to purchase their new one, but they keep their games because they find it nostalgic.
the PS3 to a reasonable price point, so it's definitely a good thing. Asking them to swallow an additional $70~80 per system (on top of what they're losing) to release a $399 version really is too much. And it's not like they're hiding that information from consumers; the box has bold lettering stating "This system does not run PS2 titles."
If you want PS2 compatibility, spend the extra $100 for the 80GB. If you don't, save $100 by getting the 40GB.
Had Sony not done this, we'd probably have to wait till Holiday 2008 to see a $399 PS3, and they simply can't wait that long. They need to push as many hardware units as possible before end of Fiscal year 2007, and this is the only way to do it. Publishers and developers alike are going to benefit a lot from the 40GB.
sh#t cutting something that has been a staple for your success because of threatened competition and a bad strategy as well as a market price is not acceptable.
sony is feeling the heat a $200 cheaper console in less than a year.
without competition and if there was only sony and nintendo we would never have seen these uncharacteristic moves by sony, the market leader. they denied having multiple skus but now have had a 20, 40, 60 , 80 gig machine and you know a 120-160 is coming.
thats fine and dandy but don't pull that Bc is not important crap.
But BC is not gone. So why make such a big issue about something that still exists? Sony is still supporting BC on the premium of the the two models. I'm having a hard time understanding the logic here. If people were complaining about price, and they received their price break, why not be happy about it. If they didn't care about the price, then go for the all-inclusive package.
To me it's like complaining to BMW that the M3 is too expensive, so they make a 328 and people complain that the M powered engine is not in it. What is BMW to say to their consumers? The simple answer, "pay for it, and you can have it".
this is about PS3's new strategy to get gamers to buy it's console with this much cheaper SKU that is somewhat gimped.
Like I stated before yes you have choices..the other choices are still expensive and if they were selling you would not have gotten this gimped SKU.
at least IMO BC is very important to gamers, well not in this site filled with fanboys that don't give a sh#t.
exclusives going multiplatform
New Console peripheral
I sometimes wanna switch back to IGN because you can read articles with out them being twisted.
Honestly... all these news article TITLES..are opinions or questions that lead to fanboy orgy..
a new customer who arent as educated as some of us N4G members..
399 for a 40gig.
knowing that the system is comming from a 60gig. a Customer would wonder what other downgrades there are. No BC?. Just like how no one bought the 20gig model because they know the 60gig is more superior. But then again... the price point to 399 is a sweet deal.
I don't know what's gonna happen. It's gonna be a great holiday battle.
But one thing is for sure. I would have bought the 360 elite if i knew it was gonna come out. Same with the PS3...I'm gonna wait for a decent sale on the superior model once again.
The 20 is definitely superior to the 60. It's cheaper, has no wireless to waste my time on, and doesn't have a fake chrome strip. Now I can upgrade the HDD to a respectable level and not feel that I wasted $70US on a hard drive I wouldn't use.
The problem with people not buying the 20 is that everyone bought into the "I need card readers and wireless!" crap.
I can get a wireless receiver and USB card reader for about $70 US, so if I want them later I can get them.
Don't buy into the hype, kids.
never crucified for the backwards compatibility thing. You guys live in hyperbole. Yeah, some people were annoyed, but people don't even care anymore.
You guys act like companies can't ever change their business strategy. What was said in 2005, or by some PR exec 6 months ago has to be forever law. Whatever...
I try not to mention the RROD thing because the issue speaks for itself. It's almost immature to be a d*ck about it, but if microsoft can get away with a thing like that, then SURELY Sony can get away with a thing like . . . lowering their console 100/200 dollars and removing one or two features. Seriously, this is being blown out of proportion.
You know what I find interesting...I have a PS1, PS2, and a PS3. My PS3 has full backwards compatability, and I almost always use my PS2 to play my PS2 games. I play the game the way it was meant to be played, and for me, it's nostalgic playing the PS2. I like the feeling to be honest, but maybe I'm just weird.
Nonetheless, I hope sony does NOT get rid of Backwards Compatibility in the future. I think it's a good feature that many seem to appreciate (though may not use much). However, I don't think the exclusion of BC in the 40GB is extremely inhibitory to the overall success of the 40GB model.
Let's be honest here: if it's really THAT big of a deal, then the 40GB will not sell well. And if that happens, then this backwards compatibility argument actually had merit. It also means that BC is something that people genuinely care about. However, if the 40GB sells well, then this nonstop debate was a complete waste of time.
1. HD Blue ray player for $399.99
2. Get yellow dog and its a computer for 399.99
3. Play Haze for free online
4. Link to PSP2
No BC means a few things.
1. It makes the Ps3 cheaper! Sony couldn't give us the PS3 at 399 if it had all the PS2 BC hardware in it. They're giving us the option to get a cheaper PS3 without BC, or a more expensive one with BC. I don't see the problem here.
2. It puts resources where we need them! Studies Sony conducted showed that very few gamers actually used the BC. However, Sony was putting tons of resources into maintaining it. Now that they've decided to shift priorities, it means that the systems can be cheaper, and that there will be more funding for games, firmware updates, Home, and a variety of other cool features.
3. The lower price makes Sony more competitive! By being able to reduce the price, Sony's giving its competitors a real challenge. All gamers benefit when there is healthy competition, so we as gamers should be grateful that Sony's not throwing money where it isn't appreciated by almost everyone and using it to compete effectively in the marketplace.
(Totally hypothetical) Would people b*tch if MS released a cheaper premium 360 with no BC support...
Probably not.. But this is Sony we are talking about. You HAVE to b*tch at them for "something" right?
Sony fans did laugh it up at lack of BC at the 360s launch. Now you have none funny how things turn out...lol!
The problem MS had was that they said they were going all the way with it, and when the system launched, only a handfull of games were avalable (Barbie Horse Adventure?)..
Both parties are guilty as charged, but at least you still have the option of getting BC via the 80gig model, or simply keeping your PS2 around for a little while longer..
I will try and sound polite however you really are a plank.
'Now you have none'?
WTF - I do i have a 60GB ps3 so yes i do have b/c
So your saying you will let MS offer a sku with B/c and a sku without b/c and thats fine HOWEVER if sony do it, its all wrong and doom will occur
the words are on the page, muiltiple sites have said it, how can people still say it's a bad thing. It's common sense, PEOPLE WHO WANT TO PLAY PS2 GAMES HAVE PS2's. don't give me that crap about selling their PS2's cuz now they don't have to. If they don't have a Ps2 then for 100 extra bucks(around the price of a ps2 might I add) they can get a PS3 that does play PS2 games.
Remind me how this is bad again?
Look people who are going to buy the PS3 probably has a PS2 already. Just like you Xbots like to think "I don't mind changing CDs. I'm not lazy" Same thing with this, changing from PS3 to PS2 isn't all that troublesome.
Many of my friends myself included never had PS2 so BC is irrelevant. PS2 owners who have an existing PS2 library can choose the 60 or 80 to have BC. Sony will make more money off the console from you because you may not purchase every new PS3 title because you still have a PS2 library that you can enjoy. But for me although I will be purchasing the lower priced 40 I will be spending more money on games because I am building my library from scratch.
Just an FYI to those people screaming fanboy spin. I am a real gamer .. I play games regardless of platform and all im doing is providing a positive view for the new SKU.
Give up the war folks .. choice is good, ask any married man.
"choice is good, ask any married man."
Does everyone upset about the lack of BC think sony has a self destruct button and every PS2 in the world is going to blow up when the 40 gig drops? Think about it guys with 110 million PS2s out there, who do you think are the most likely customers for the PS3? If you guessed PS2 owners then congrats you get a cookie. The plain and simple fact of this matter is that its no big deal.
To be honest, I've thought of buying PS2 blockbusters to play on my PS3 because i never owned a ps2. I always back out because of the difference in graphics, yes i'm a graphics whore, but not to the extent of PC gamers. I want the latest and greatest. Anyway, there are probably people who want to play these older ps2 games because they never had the chance. Now those people will have to buy the more expensive system only to play a handful of ps2 games.
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of course they are gonna say that.
1.How is that even a reason? so its good they are leaving BC for ps2 out.....beause what most consumers that want an ps3 want the 80 gig? if that were true then they'd have purchased by now....whats the point of the ultra cheap 40 giger then? to sell to people that dont want a ps3? or the people that want one but dont wanna pay 500-600 bux...
2.Ummm....the reason is that people all ready own an ps2? righttt...um not every one in the world owns an ps2, and as for that maybe people want a ps3 cause after the firmware updates it finally updates their resolution and such.... oh and maybe they want to put the ps2 up or give it to a friend or relative and want assured abbility to play ps2 games on the ps3.
3...its enviormentally considerate? um....no its actually better if people purchase the ps3 then give the ps2 away or even better get it to a tech recyling facicility where they will reuse its components...ect
If people give away their ps2 others dont have to go out and purchase an ps2 and sony doesn't have to make an system *for 10 years laughs* that keeps using up raw materials instead people can give away their ps2's or recycle them.
All in all that list is retarded and simply fanboyist tripe.
FACT: your tech gadgets though turned off still use power, power that you could save if you put the ps2 up or gave i to someone else whom doesn't have one.
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proud affiliates .. see my comment above. good to see that your sales goals for the ps3 is everyone in the world .. you know ps3 over food real smart.
I love the whole off topic and NONsensical thing about ps2 over food comment, all so your comment above? you mean the one bout bioshock that has nothing to do with what i posted AT all.
oh and ps3tag.com is OWNED by SPG.
From about ps3tag.com
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and whois data? i wont even post but both point to...ps3tag.com owned by SPG.com
yeah but that doesnt say who the owners are it just says where the concept and execution came from ;) what I mean about the bioshock comment is that I am not some blind ps fanboy .. so the whole of course they would say that BS is BS.
what is wrong with people like you is that you cant accept that others have an opinion so you need to attack it .. trying to discredit me with affiliations? ROFL. What have you done that is even marginally public besides comment on blogs?
Sad thing is that your counter-points are actually a good debate. Too bad.
Main Question: would people rather have a cheaper model available without BC or no cheaper model at all? I don't think this site should be trying to spin it as a "good thing," but I think it's accurate to say the 40GB model is a good deal--backwards compatibility or not.
Yeah it's a good thing. I can't believe people are pathetic enough to attack PS3 for something like this. It's just giving people an option for a low cost console that still has all the base features. BC is an extra than many of you bastards never cared about anyways. It's a good choice for Sony and I'm sure many many consumers who could care less about playing PS2 games anymore.
ok the new ps3 only has 2 usb ports does that mean can only use 2 controllers or can still use 4?
The controllers are bluetooth, which means wireless. You can only charge two controllers at any given time though.
I did the same thing. I grabbed the 20 GB.
At the end of the Day Sony makes a decision to sacrify a game element on the PS3 in order to reduce the price of their blu-ray player...
Why not remove blu-ray movie playback (remember a rumor at first that a PS3 SKU was not going to have blu-ray playback)... removing any component not designed for games in order to reduce cost? NOOOOO... it had to be the games that get sacrified...
So, let's sum it up... because of blu-ray the PS3 initial cost was $600... hurting the PS3 as a game console in the process in terms of sales... One would think that after almost 1 year after launch.. blu-ray would not hurt the PS3... now Sony is stripping the PS3 gaming components for the sake of lowering the price of the PS3... let's hope they don't continue this trend... it seems Sony is willing to sacrify everything in order to push blu-ray movie playback...
Fine you want the advantages of blu-ray as far as space is concern? give us that! but as gamers (not talking about Sony fanboys) we rather being able to have more features in the game department than movies...
I would rather have a PS3 that plays PS2 games than one that plays blu-ray movies.. eventually blu-ray players will cost $99... when it will actually matter...
but it's sort of irrelevant. Sony couldn't remove BLU-RAY now even if they wanted to, so they had to sacrifice something else. In addition, (this is a broken record) the other models still retain BC.
The ps3 has good games out, and some seemingly great games coming out soon. It's still a game machine at its core.
The blu-ray issue is a moot point that's been exhausted.
just by reading the comments on here you can diffrenciate the ignorant sony fanboys from the smart people that own a ps3.
having no BC is a BAD THING!! and its just horrible that they do this, especially because theres nothing stopping them from putting in BC, they just DONT want to put it..the ps3s in europe run on software BC, this 40 gig also can run on software. its just ashame how they wana ripoff the consumer.
Sony only removed EE from european version. GS is still there. So they removed PS2 CPU but not the PS2 GPU. And right now GS can't be emulated.
you want a ps3 that plays ps2 games as well, pay for it, its not that hard, theres other ps3 on the market that will appeal for your need. you really think when like black friday hits and the parents are out at 6 in da morning looking to find something to buy for there kids or a matter of fact for themselves there gonna pass this up because a ps3 doesnt play ps2 games, a $400 ps3 is a frickin STEAL, idk the whole fiasco with no BC is just going wild.
Whats the point in arguing about this anyway, at the end the day u will probably buy it anyway. At this day of age with all the games coming out and next year as well, who has time to go back and play their ps2 games.
Find something else to complain about. Who really cares about backwards compatability. If you have PS2 games then you have a PS2 unless your DVD drive broke like 99% of them do.